BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:54 PM

And, what do you do besides come to Mudcat and tell us all how stupid we are? Are you running for office? Are you marching in protest? Have any videos on youtube which enlighten one and all? Since you know it all, you must have some solutions, real solutions.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:47 PM

As I've said for sometime now, "NONE OF THEM ARE QUALIFIED!" So let's not split hairs!
You mean, to blacks, a black man is more qualified, because he's black??...or putting a woman on as VP to get the woman's vote, makes her more qualified??..or picking Biden, because 'middle America' can relate to him, makes him more qualified?? or McCain, because he was a POW, makes him more qualified??..(even though, as Commander in Chief, he probably would be 'more sensitive, and appreciative to those in the military).   A candidate who promises that life will be easier, because the government will spoon feed is public? That's a qualification?? What exactly do we look for in qualification??...what the 'news' (read: propaganda machine), tells us???...A lot of the 'average' citizens a are downright scary, due to their half-witted, emotionalized opinions(and some on here, as well). What makes a country strong, is the values that the citizens hold within themselves that govern them.(Not the manufactured imposed on us 'values'). Looking for handouts, and government control of everything is NOT a strength! If the citizenry of a country, allows their Constitution be broken down, slowly, bit by bit, to facilitate some agenda, then IT IS A WEAKNESS. This has been going on for a while, and to continue the programs of our present administration, would do that, and the proposed programs of both candidates, will still do it, however, the Democrats, just want to focus on other parts of the Constitution, to 'Change'. It's madness! We are smarter than that!...but we do nothing...because we are also weak!..then we try to blame it on some one else!..WE let it happen!..The ones who are running, are only saying that they want to 'fix' it, but in reality, they are only extending the damage, and make it 'even more acceptable' with smooth words!....and yum-yum, we just wait to eat it up!! If you really want something on T.V., that is pretty factual, watch the Weather Channel

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:43 PM

Tucker Bounds claimed, on CNN, that Palin had international savvy having had to deploy the National Guard overseas to Iraq! I call that an outright lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:35 PM

Well, Obama DOES have 1/2 the experiance that Dan Quayle did... But Dan was only the VP.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:13 PM

Well the McCain campaign is getting the word out now that Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:05 PM

I dunno. I am not pissed off, so I guess I don't qualify. Which morons were you referring to?

I think if anything tends to irk people, it is the effort to spin things to the point of falsifying them. Calling her qualified to command because, as Governor, she was the titular commander of the Alaskan National Guard, whom she dispatched to one forest fire, Ibelieve, or the proposition that she understands international tension because she lives with fifty miles of the Bering Strait, is insultingly disingenuous.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain says his vice presidential pick, Sarah Palin, was already an experienced government official while his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, was working as a community organizer.

She wasn't. Palin was finishing college, getting married and working as a TV sportscaster when Obama was directing a church-based community group on Chicago's South Side in 1985-88.

McCain sought to make the comparison in an appearance on Fox News Sunday, criticizing Obama as too inexperienced to be in the White House despite his choice of a running mate who's also being called too unseasoned for that role.

Challenged about his vice presidential choice, McCain said as governor of Alaska for the last two years, Palin "has had enormous responsibilities, none of which Senator Obama had." Later, McCain elaborated that "as a governor, she has had executive experience. She didn't sit in the state legislature."

The same contrast could be made with McCain himself, whose entire 26-year political career has been spent in Congress...." (AP)

A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 01:36 PM

McGrath, I think you're right! If it pisses off the morons, it must be good!...Right Amos??

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM

It strikes me that an awful lot of the posts in this thread are just the kind of thing that would make a lot of people more likely to back Sarah Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM

From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 06:41 AM

I don't agree that what I am disagreeing with are necessarily facts.

"It all depends what you definition of 'is' is"-----Bill Clinton

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:33 AM

"Actually your list has two items on it. Add Bill Kristol and David Brooks and you get maybe fouor..."


                Great, thanks, Amos, and then there's that weird publisher, I can't remember his name, and...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:19 AM

This person put her finger on the hypocrisy that's been bothering me about the pregnant teen. From HERE:

In America, of course, debates about sex often mask debates about abortion. Kris Miccio, who teaches family law at the University of Denver, wonders how a party that opposes abortion rights can invoke a leave-this-family-alone mantra on a reproductive issue.

"The Republicans are saying this is a private family decision, but they don't accord the same privacy if a woman does not choose to carry a fetus to term," Miccio says. "If it's a private decision for the Palin family, it's a private decision for any family."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:14 AM

Put yourself in McCain's shoes when Sarah takes the podium and for every TV show she does for the next two weeks.

If the guy is gonna stoke out.. it will be then.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:13 AM

George Will had this to say on the subject in todays paper:

George Will: Experience can be a cruel teacher
07:10 AM CDT on Wednesday, September 3, 2008
The word "experience" appears 91 times in the Federalist Papers, those distillations of conservative sense and sensibility. America's Founders were empiricists and students of history who trusted "that best oracle of wisdom, experience," which is humanity's "least fallible guide."

The Founders knew, as conservatives do, that all guides are fallible. Hence conservatism's inclination to discern prescriptions in traditions, which are mankind's slow adjustments to the accretion of experiences.

So, Sarah Palin. The man who would be the oldest to embark on a first presidential term has chosen as his possible successor a person of negligible experience.

In 1912, Mr. McCain's Arizona became the 48th state. In 1959, Ms. Palin's Alaska became the 49th. Modern conservatism has the libertarian cast of a region still steeped in an individualism natural to the frontier's spaciousness.

But American conservatism depends on what it calls "fusion," the collaboration of libertarians and social conservatives concerned that liberty unleavened by restraints creates a licentious culture. Ms. Palin supposedly is fusion in one person.

Many cultural conservatives, who are much of the GOP's base, consider Mr. McCain's adherence to their persuasion perfunctory. By his selection of Ms. Palin, he got the enthusiasm of the base. But what has he got in Ms. Palin?

In coming days he and we will learn from a stern teacher, experience.

–Excerpted from a column by The Washington Post's George Will

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:11 AM

Actually your list has two items on it. Add Bill Kristol and David Brooks and you get maybe fouor.

The facts as they have been reported are that the vetting interview occurred only the day before the announcement and that the vetting staff who do the background checks weren't even all in-state yet before the announcement was made.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:01 AM

excerpt of her cute little laugh cute little laugh



Full show
Alaska Radio show with Sarah Palin (bad language warning)


Isn't it cute they way she drops her g's on any ing word.
Its really really adorable.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:58 AM

"Judith Miller, Jason Blair, the list is endless! "

No, it is not "endless".

As with any organization, there are problems and they are dealt with. The NYTimes has a reputation for accuracy that is above most other newspapers.   They set standards and when problems arise, it becomes news - primarly because simple minded critics love pouncing on an open wound.   That is so much easier to do then to examine the reaction the newspaper had to the issue and what they did to fix it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:45 AM

The awesome Church talk link below is really really super...ya gotta see it cuz its gonna really really be a good good kool thing ta see y'know


"Pay for the new pipleline" "Pray for our God's plan in Iraq"   

You are all a buncha kool lookin Christians"

Lets give the Lord a hand for our Govenor pray for Sarah's great wisdom and strength.
Amen

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:44 AM

Judith Miller, Jason Blair, the list is endless!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:25 AM

"But, of course, the New York Times always gets everything wrong. "

Hardly ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:24 AM

If I wrote Horror novels, Palin is the best damned candidate to be the antiChrist that I have ever seen...lol

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: curmudgeon
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM

The   linkgot left off my last post - Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:21 AM

quote

'GGRHBK JKJJJJJJJJJJJJJ BGJHIEJEJLEEE NHOOOH HINI HOMINI HOMIHIEQUARBLUM OMIHIEQUARBLUM.../   /... OMIHIEQUARBLUM INNN EATAERNUUUM UUUTEERUUUUSSS Eternum UTerus quaobiliiy foom'

excerpt of Sarah Palin speaking in tongues.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:17 AM

"'As far as we can tell, [NYT] Mr. McCain and his aides did almost no due diligence before choosing Ms. Palin...'"


                   But, of course, the New York Times always gets everything wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: curmudgeon
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM

Time
portrays a less than pleasant person. Her attitudes onculture and literature are disgusting - Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:06 AM

Comon over, were gonna burn some jello and drink some Kool Aid.

DID YOU KNOW "this lady" Palin speaks in tongues?

If McCain wanted a Republican woman on the world stage I would have told him to pick Kay Hutchinson.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 10:04 AM

Top Ten Most Disturbing Facts and Impressions of Sarah Palin

"Palin in an insult to all thinking people, particularly to women, environmentalists, animal lovers, educated and credentialed professionals, working regular folks, and the list goes on. "

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:55 AM

Its time to burn some hotdogs, drink a beer and fart. don't you think we beat it enough. Joe gave some good advice. We beat up each other yet the only thing we really can do is vote our conscience whatever way that is for us personally

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:51 AM

The NYT Editorial on Sarah:

"As far as we can tell, Mr. McCain and his aides did almost no due diligence before choosing Ms. Palin, raising serious questions about his management skills. The fact that Ms. Palin's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant is irrelevant to her candidacy. There are, however, very serious questions about her political past and her ideology.

If Mr. McCain wanted to break with his party's past and choose the Republicans' first female vice presidential candidate, there are a number of politicians out there with far greater experience and stature than Ms. Palin, who has been in Alaska's Statehouse for less than two years.

Before she was elected governor, she was mayor of a tiny Anchorage suburb, where her greatest accomplishment was raising the sales tax to build a hockey rink. According to Time magazine, she also sought to have books banned from the local library and threatened to fire the librarian.

For Mr. McCain to go on claiming that Mr. Obama has too little experience to be president after almost three years in the United States Senate is laughable now that he has announced that someone with no national or foreign policy experience is qualified to replace him, if necessary.

Senator Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who has been one of Mr. McCain's most loyal friends, said Tuesday that he was certain that Ms. Palin would take the right positions on issues like Iraq, Russia's invasion of Georgia and Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions. That seemed based largely on his repeated assertion that Ms. Palin would be tended by Mr. McCain's foreign policy advisers. That was not much of an endorsement.

Some of the things Ms. Palin has had to say in the recent past about foreign policy are especially worrisome. In a speech last June to her former church in Wasilla, Ms. Palin said the war in Iraq was "a task that is from God." Mr. Bush made similar claims as he rejected all sound mortal advice on how to conduct the war.

Mr. McCain, Mr. Graham and others also claim that Ms. Palin is a fearless reformer who is committed to fighting waste, fraud and earmarks. Ms. Palin did show courage taking on some of the Alaska Republican Party's most sleazy politicians. But she also was an eager recipient of earmarked money as a mayor and governor.

Mayor Palin gathered up $27 million in subsidies from Washington, $15 million of it for a railroad from her town to the ski resort hometown of Senator Ted Stevens, now under indictment for failing to report gifts.
..."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:47 AM

She hopes to blame the liberal media for her daughter's celebrity.

Amos, you did not write that rant, you are too cultured and sensible.


TInker

The curch link you posted is not her long standing church.

She threw her Pentacostal church under the bus 21/2 years ago when she became Govenor.
BECAUSE it was not politically correct to be seen speaking in tongues.

No need to pull a Reverend Wright on her but she certainly could not deny it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:45 AM

"Sarah Palin is just as much of a reformer and a maverick as she was on Friday morning, but that's not what most people are thinking about right now."

What? She's a reformer and a maverick? You mean, the way McCain is a maverick, voting with George Bush over 90% of the time? Please do your homework. Sarah Palin is a woman who said that our soldiers are in Iraq "on a task from God," she tried to have books banned when she was mayor of Wasilla, the town budget exploded under her watch, she procured tens of millions of dollars in earmarks, tried to fire everyone who disagreed with her, increased a regressive sales tax while mayor that even taxed food, and was a member of a radical fringe group that wanted Alaska to declare independence from the rest of the country. That's not a maverick, that's a wacko.

— Posted by rmh "

(NYT Reader Responses)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:28 AM

"Only someone in the throes of a serious mental condition could have make a pick this astonishing. This focus group confirms the Rasmussen Reports polling that, among undecided voters, the Palin pick makes 6 percent more likely to vote for McCain and 31 percent less likely to vote for McCain. About 59 percent of these undecided voters do not think Palin is qualified to be president. It is a stunt gone terribly amiss. And the hilarious thing is that the right wing really believes that this is going to turn everything around. Amazing, amazing, amazing." Time blog

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:23 AM

There is one bit of this story that has me confounded. I do not understand how a parent (male or female) would willingly drag a 17 year old pregnant child into the limelight and essentially throw her to the wolves. This girl is now on the front page of every paper in the country at a time when she needs privacy, love, support... Mom says she is "going to have to grow up fast".

So, my confusion is:
A) In my experience a girl who marries at seventeen because she is pregnant is in for a rocky marriage and more than likely divorce. The baby will suffer emotionally from the instability in the home. Grandma says deal with it and moves on with her career. I could not do that...but in reality it is none of my business.
B) Grandma's singleness of purpose and ability to separate the emotional from the practical may well mean she will be a great president. Certainly she is a successful politician. Governor of Alaska doesn't happen by accident.

I am babbling and still not clearly explaining my confusion...sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Tinker
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 09:12 AM

Sarah's Address at Assemble of God Church

The video of her speaking at the church is posted in the Huffington Article. Judge for yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:56 AM

I'm still waiting for some documentation and evidence that Sarah Palin has been struggling against corruption in Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:54 AM

One more thing. Supposedly: Huffington Post 2 Sept 2008--therefore not unbiased-- in her church she has said some amazing things about foreign policy. In June, according to this source, she said: "Pray for our military mean and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, leaders are sending (US soldiers) out on a task that is from God".

If that is an accurate quote, that sort of of attitude on foreign policy is totally unacceptable.

Just as Obama was grilled--and on something he didn't even say--she should be made to either confirm or deny that this is her attitude.

And if she confirms it, that should be enough--just in itself--to make any thinking person refuse to support the McCain-Palin ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:42 AM

Personally, I would like to see some real documentation for the assertion that Palin has been cracking down on corruption in Alaska. So far, other than people saying she has been doing this, I have not seen any supporting evidence. I would like to see articles in the media that were current when the alleged cracking down allegedly took place. Mudcatters need to be more careful with facts. We need sources and evidence.

On the subject of the "bridge to nowhere", it's not that she flip flopped that is the problem. It's the fact that she is lying when she says she never supported it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:40 AM

She been SILENT for 5 days as confusion mounts.

Now they say she didn't support Pat Buchannon. One of a dozen reversals.

'Which lane' McCain and Palin 'both lanes' can take any flop flip they desire.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:39 AM

"A bit of clarification.   I believe that in both the cases of the Downs Syndrome child and the pregnancy of the 17-year-old, Palin's attitudes have been instrumental in creating the serious problems the family faces. She is in fact a dangerous role model--especially since most families will not have the $200,000- plus income Palin's family has--which eases the way somewhat.

But according to the lights of her own faith, she has made the right choices. I totally disagree--but I respect her for following her own principles."


We went through this in another thread - it is no one's business but her own.

"Dangerous Role Model"????? Now you are sounding like Dan Quayle and Murphy Brown. So you really think that 40+ women are going to get pregnant in the hopes of having a Down's Syndrome child or that more 17 year olds will become pregnant because a VP wannabee's daughter is pregnant?

Walk into any high school in the USA and randomly ask teenage girls who Sarah Palin is. Most will not have a clue - I know. I mentioned her name in the office today and had to explain who she is.

None of this has any relationship to her abilities as VP or president should she find herself in that position.

I will listen to her speech with great interest. I am also betting that she bows out before Election Day.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:37 AM

The AP story in our newspapers this morning mentioned her use as Governor of the line-item veto to reduce funding for programs to assist young unwed mothers. I wonder if Palin now has more empathy with such mothers. Of course her daughter doesn't require State assistance, given the income of her parents but I would hope that the daughter have access to professional counseling.

I don't see the McKain Campaign dumping this Vice Presidential choice, even if she is an admitted past marijuana user (she inhaled).

I view this choice with great interest.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:21 AM

Alot of folks are forgetting that thius woman is ***not*** running for president... John McCain is and John McCain is a hothead... JOhn McCain will continue the war in Iraq looking for that elusive victory so "Johnny can come home marching again" and the people will line the streets throwing confetti... John McCain will continue down the fiscally irresponsible road and John McCain wuill apppoint Supreme Court judegs who will plunge the country into darkness when it comes to women's rights...

That is the reality...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:11 AM

"I hope she does well"--no surprise there. Anybody who opposes Obama is fine with some people--particularly those who don't think about what a McCain administration would bring.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 08:07 AM

A bit of clarification.   I believe that in both the cases of the Downs Syndrome child and the pregnancy of the 17-year-old, Palin's attitudes have been instrumental in creating the serious problems the family faces. She is in fact a dangerous role model--especially since most families will not have the $200,000- plus income Palin's family has--which eases the way somewhat.

But according to the lights of her own faith, she has made the right choices. I totally disagree--but I respect her for following her own principles.

Also, re: changing her mind on the "Bridge to Nowhere"--no politician is pure on this one (telling your constituents one thing, then telling another audience another.)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 07:32 AM

Personally, I hope she does well tonight!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 07:30 AM

It's also somewhat discouraging to see the continuation of another Mudcat trend--vastly underestimating your opponents. The blithe--sometimes verging on smug--conviction that McCain will drop Palin soon has no basis in fact--it's just wishful thinking. London bookmakers' odds don't count as real evidence.

As I pointed out on the long VP thread just before Obama picked Biden, no matter who McCain picked he would have severe problems, since he had to do two contradictory things--solidify his base and reach out to independents at the same time.

However, anecdotal evidence suggests that with Palin he has the best chance to do both. Already the "Christian Right " is rallying behind her--and him. And at least 4 people who claim to be Hillary voters on the web are saying they will now vote for McCain--as a result of this pick. (Obviously on the web you never know if people are what they claim).


Why?   Several reasons.   She's actually wrestling with--perhaps making the wrong choices--some of the most serious problems a real US family has to make--not just talking about them.   Daughter pregnant at 17. Downs syndrome child. And the "Christian Right" sees her as actually living her faith--dealing with with these issues as a Christian should--not taking what they consider is the easy way out--in both cases.

Also, she is actually doing what so many on the other side talk about in politics--cracking down on corruption--in her own party, no less. For instance, look at her resignation from the oil and gas committee in January 2004, rather than countenance the unethical behavior she saw in that committee.

And her struggle against corruption in the Alaska Republican party is successful even--they say Alaska politics is littered with the carcasses of her opponents.   No wonder McCain likes her--on a smaller scale, she's far more successful than he is, doing what he would love to do.

This is of course why the trooper problem is so dangerous for her. But so far it appears she cannot be herself fingered. (We'll see what happens now--especially since there is now a hotline in Alaska for anybody with information on this issue).   And that is why the earlier attempt to claim there was a tape of her actually personally involved in firing Monehan was so crucial--and, it turns out, so clumsy. Mudcatters really have to start being more careful with facts--and start using more direct quotes.


Now I would guess that any real Hillary voter couldn't possibly support Palin--especially on the Roe v Wade issue and the health care issue--though we don't yet in detail know Palin's views on health care. It appears she is willing to slash it to ribbons for budgetary reasons, but we need more facts.

But Palin is a real mother, grappling with real issues mothers--and fathers--- across the US face. It's easy to caricature her views and make easy predictions McCain won't keep her.

I am totally against what McCain stands for-- in Iraq policy, health care, Roe v Wade, taxes, and environmental policy, etc. But I actually have a lot of respect for her--though there's a huge difference in doing what she is doing on her family's income--over $200, 000--and doing it on a real middle class income.

But I don't underestimate her--or McCain. Nor should other Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 06:41 AM

I don't agree that what I am disagreeing with are necessarily facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:54 AM

Of course you don't.....so what?..it doesn't change the FACT(remember those?)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:42 AM

I don't agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:34 AM

Sorry, not assholes...wrong word....(read: Lying sacks of shit!)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:30 AM

You don't get it!!! NOTHING matches up!!!....jeez!...can't believe people can be so stupid! Look at their records, AFTER they take office, versus the oath they take to uphold the Constitution! Zilch, nada, kaput! ITS ALL BULLSHIT....They just get you to vote to make it taste good in small amounts...then they tell you(us)..."Well, you voted him/her in"....
Obama, McCain, and the rest, are not going to 'rescue' this country!..
That only comes when enough people decide within THEMSELVES, to live honestly, morally, and work for what they have, and not expect the safety net of 'being on the dole'...When God and family come first, not last...and not take politics as a spectator sport, observed with a passive mind...as in watching T.V. These are our lives that these jerk offs are fucking with, and the lives of our neighbors, loved ones and fellow citizens.....and the ones we have up, in front of us now are bought and paid for assholes!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 04:00 AM

McCain and Palin are running on their records, so their records are fair game for voters to scrutinize and to point out when their actual records don't match up with what they're saying about their records.