BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 03:23 AM

Well, I don't know about any 'alleged' lie, but then IT IS politics!..what did you expect...the truth??????
That's what just kills me...people arguing over other people's lies!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 03:04 AM

Well, she lies about her record. How honorable is that? (Hillary lied too, but that doesn't make Palin's lies any more honorable.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 02:52 AM

It sounds to me that too many people are trying to form an opinion about her, and really do not know much about her, so they are grasping at straws, and making big deals out of whatever little tidbit that the press throws at us, (More like trying to form an opinion about a person based on tabloid headlines)..So far, (and only from what I've heard), she sounds far more honorable that Hilary Clinton!....but then who knows?...But that's easy!...ANYTHING is more honorable than Hilary!
I say, let more info on her unfold, and don't be so compelled to form an opinion on her, one way or another!..Besides, both the two MAIN candidates suck, anyway!..Ever notice how in the more recent elections, that we can actually vote for a great person...it's always the 'lesser of two evils'???...So, now with that mentality, I guess people try to throw up any evil they can..to show that this or that person is more or less evil than the other.....not, what accomplishments, that the same person may have. That's one of the main reasons that I think Obama is just hot air....nothing he has accomplished, from beginning to end(he even voted against a bill he allegedly wrote, and sponsored....and McCain wishy washing about his issues!....Just don't trust either one of them!
Funny how nobody knew much about Biden, but gave him a pass, but with Palin, a pass would be hard to come by....ok, see ya' 'nuff said!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 01:27 AM

Those things (quotes and sources) can be requested without adopting the kind of snearing, condescending, and self aggrandizing tone that we see in the above post (as well as a large number of other posts coming from the person who made it). Although my guess is that it's just my turn (yet once again) in the rotation of people who are regular targets of gratuitous abuse from this person.

The post of mine in which I mentioned the tape was not a smear. It was a faulty recollection of something I read. Having said that, though, it was her administration and her husband who made the calls.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:04 PM

"I have to make a correction to my previous post. It wasn't Palin herself, it was her administration and her husband who made the calls, one of which is on tape".

Precisely.

And this is exactly why I've said, and not just on this thread, that we need direct quotes and exact sources--and less smearing--even of politicians.

Palin is not out of the woods, but it's still murky as to if she improperly applied influence--despite the enthusiasm for it, it's not time to hang her yet--especially since she denies "asking anybody on her staff to get in touch with state police safety officials about Wooten": 14 Aug 2008 Anchorage Daily News. Wooten, by the way, is not exactly a prize.

At any rate, it would be good--and a pleasant change--to stick to facts--or at least theories with hard evidence--in political threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM

Her husband's DUI shouldn't come into play at all. Bush with his one DUI & Cheney with his 2 should've clearded up those disqualifications durning the 1st Bush elections.
We should've listened to what those driving records were saying back then. That the 2 of them weren't qualified to drive taxis, never mind a nation & they weren't.


Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 09:52 PM

Hear, hear, Joe.

And you know, I do like John McCain, the individual. I even like Ms Palin, as an individual. I would be delighted to make dinner for them.

I have many friends I like more, also, whom I would not want to see steering the nation in the Oval Office. I feel they don't think clearly enough in that kind of role to be entrusted with a job where the thinking process -- especially in dealing with the unpredicted -- can be so critical to so many.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 09:47 PM

I agree, Joe.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:40 PM

In a word........Yes!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:38 PM

For almost half my life, I've hated the President and Vice President of my country. Not mere dilike - I HATED them. I hated Nixon-Agnew, Reagan-Bush, Bush-Quayle, and Bush-Cheney. And I didn't much like Johnson or Clinton. I have to admit that compared to George W., I'm starting to have kindly, nostalgic feelings for George H.W. I pity a man who has a son like that....

This year, I'd like to be able to like my country's leaders, whichever ones are elected. So far, I like the candidates from both parties. People seem to be doing the best they can to paint all the candidates as bastards, but I still like them all. I may not agree with the Republicans, but I'm still convinced they're decent people.

Wouldn't it be nice to have an election without hatred, for once?


-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:08 PM

By Paul Kane
ST. PAUL -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 08:04 PM

Also hotheadest governor...

Word on the street is that she screams and yells frequently... Shoot, she might get p.o.'d and scare McFrail to death...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:57 PM

Coldest State/Hottest Governor

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:55 PM

Of or pertaining to the sclera; Having sclerosis; Hard and insular, often in sclerotic bureaucracy
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sclerotic

Sclerotic is often used to refer to those who have become hardened in their ways, not their arteries. It is a widely used adjective in this sense.

My issue about John McCain's age (in combination with his medical history) is not ageist anymore than actuarial tables are. It is simply a proposition concerning degrees of probability. He has a much higher probability of keeling over from stress than Barack does, for example. If the probabilities were equal, which would be the safer course for the nation's future? Ascent to office of Palin, or of Biden. Don't get silly and over sensitive about alternate definitions.

The other issue surrounding the word has to do with his emotional and intellectual flexibility. He has not demonstrated to me anyway that he is capable of assessing new situations in their own new context with an eye toward synthesizing new and better solutions and directions that lead toward higher conditions.

Obama has demonstrated this talent numerous times since he began his campaign AND he has articulated it as his guiding principle.

Therefore, he is simply the better man, IMHO.

And neither he nor Joe Biden have ever entered a beauty contest, either.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:35 PM

Life begins when you file for Social Security!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:29 PM

Hear, hear, Emma B, 6:48 pm....

This is what I don't get about these folks who claim that governemnt is too big and too invasive into our lives.... This woman who will clearly say that governemnt shouldn't be everything to everyone is advocating that government make decisions for 150 million women???

Go figure???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:59 PM

Bobert, I know some nouns can be 'inclusive'
I stayed for a time with some 'teuchter' friends in Glasgow who called themselves by this term and was proud as a 'sassenach' to be adopted by them.
However, 'like most such cultural epithets, it is often offensive, but is sometimes seen as amusing by the speaker.
The term is often taken to mean "ignorant northerner".'
Wiki

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:50 PM

Well, it's good that she's generating all of this interest!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:48 PM

#Here's the reality: Palin is a rightwing-Christian anti-choice extremist who opposes abortion for any reason whasoever, except to save the life of the girl or woman. No exception even for rape, incest, or the health of the woman. No exception for a ten-year-old, a woman carrying a fetus with no chance of life, a woman on the edge of suicide-- let alone the woman who is not ready to be a parent, who is escaping domestic violence, who is already stretched to the limit as a single mother. She wants to force over one million women and girls a year to give birth against their will and judgment. She wants to use the magnificent freedom the women's movement has won for her at tremendous cost and struggle--the movement that won her the right to run those marathons and run Alaska -- to take away the freedom of every other woman in the country.'

No arguement there whatsoever Stringsinger

but let's stick to this sort of discussion and leave out the sexist crap and 'amusing' misogynist 'jokes'

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:44 PM

Stringsinger, THOSE are acceptable comments, IMO.

And bobert, it all depends on WHO calls me a 'bitch' and what they mean by it. I understand YOUR comments too.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:40 PM

Well, I'd jus' like to throw in my redneck 2 cents worth into this discussion... Hey, I'll be the first to admit that there's a little redneck in me... I've driven race cars... I've played country 'n western music... I drive a picup truck... I drenk lots a' beer... I like to stand round the hood of a pickup truck an' talk sh*t with country folks... I got a Martin geetar... I like my guns... I can run just 'bout every type of equipement... And I grew up and still live 'round rednecks...

And, yeah, I do on occasion use "redneck" in a way I shouldn't... You know I didn't call Palin a redneck... Heck, I never heard of her before jus a few days ago and I usually don't go labelin' the womenz as rednecks... Real rednecks don't call womenz rednecks... Only folks who ain't got a clue about bein' a redneck would call a womenz a redneck...

But the term "redneck" is generally used as a term of endearment between rednecks... Let an outsider drive into Valley Exxon in a new Jaquar and call anyone in there a redneck and Mr Jaguar gonna be pickin' his butt off the parkin' lot...

I reckon I been blessed in my life 'cause I've lived with balck folks who called me "nigga" and I been called a "redneck" by folks that most folks here think of as rednecks...

But mg is right... Redneck, when used as anything but a name of endearment ain't all that cool and, yeah, I been guilty of sayin' it on occasion an' I won't say it anymore 'less I'm using it as a term of endearment...

Bobert (liberal, ol' hippy redneck)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:37 PM

Here's the reality: Palin is a rightwing-Christian anti-choice extremist who opposes abortion for any reason whasoever, except to save the life of the girl or woman. No exception even for rape, incest, or the health of the woman. No exception for a ten-year-old, a woman carrying a fetus with no chance of life, a woman on the edge of suicide-- let alone the woman who is not ready to be a parent, who is escaping domestic violence, who is already stretched to the limit as a single mother. She wants to force over one million women and girls a year to give birth against their will and judgment. She wants to use the magnificent freedom the women's movement has won for her at tremendous cost and struggle--the movement that won her the right to run those marathons and run Alaska -- to take away the freedom of every other woman in the country.

Her selection does not tell us McCain is a "maverick" who is just stringing the Christian right along, wink-wink. It tells us that he has thrown in his lot with James Dobson, the Family Research Council, the Catholic hierarchy and others for whom criminalizing abortion is the number-one issue. His record of votes against abortion and birth control--125 votes out of 130 in his congresssional and Senate career-- apparently wasn't quite enough for them. By choosing Palin, he wins their enthusiastic support.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:30 PM

Thank you Mick.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:29 PM

I agree, Sorcha and Emma. I think that all the would be pundits would do well to take the lead from my candidate. Barak Obama has said that families, in his world, are off limits, especially young children. I think comments that are stereotypical are wrong headed and only serve to detract from the real issues.

Comments about the rashness of this decision are fair game. Comments about her participating in a beauty contest are also fair game. Comments about her daughters situation as it relates to her stated position on abstinence only education are fair game. Comments about her lack of understanding of the constitutional role of the VP are fair game. Comments about her administrative experience as it applies to how she would assume command of the military, and indeed the whole country, is fair game. Comments about her taking on special interests and being opposed to earmarks when she has availed herself of earmarks and courted special interests, are fair game. Her positions on the environment are fair game. Her stating that Iraq is some kind of holy war that is blessed by God is fair game.

There is plenty to attack with this candidate on so many fronts that there is no need to resort to characterizations and comments that are demeaning to women.

Now ..... I wonder if you would mind telling Rove's boys to stop using the same tactics through the 527's. I don't get how comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears, fear mongering by trying to paint him as a Moslem (and by the way, that isn't a bad thing), and trying to "create a big campaign out of small issues" will get it done for you this year. And to hear Republicans complain about character assassination when Karl Rove invented the tactic, and conservatives were so successful at it as to give it a whole new name (swiftboating), and when they attacked an honest to goodness war hero and besmirched his honor and reputation ...... well it just leaves me wondering if they really believe that others started all this. Absolutely delusional.

So lay off the sexist, racist, and agist comments. We don't need them.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:17 PM

Like anyone here would call someone a 'retard', a 'spaz', etc? Well, IMO, 'sclerotic' is just as bad. THAT is NOT 'issues'

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:15 PM

Its a discussion of what we are learning about her as the days unfold. Her character is a component to consider in judging her ability to lead is it not?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:14 PM

Indeed they don't Mick but really calling her a pinup girl or pixie redneck don't really address those issues do they?
And they are as repulsive as referring to McCain as 'sclerotic' - which (if it is meant as the insult I assume in context) is offensive to the folks who suffer from this debilitating disease.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:13 PM

When I was growing up a feminism was growing. Many women condemned beauty contests as demeaning. She entered the contest, she said, to get a scholarship because , she says, she wasn't good enough at basketball for an athletic scholarship.

She said, in an interview that I say that it wasn't her thing but she did it for the money. But she was enthusiastic enough about it to win Miss Congeniality.

No one is claiming that she has a lot of integrity are they?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:06 PM

Well, no, Mick, I agree, but IS this discussion about her actual qualifications????? Or something else?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:05 PM

I don't know if an old dui should be an issue. It was one of the things she accused her brother in law of doing. I saw that man she fired say so, I don't have a problem with the press mentioning any criminal record she or her husband might have but hopefully such things are all in the past.

They stands she takes seem to open the door for criticism or at least examination. She has apparently spoken against comprehensive sex ed. She campaigned for the bridge before she said "no thanks." And she kept the money while New Orleans was drowning and the bridge dropped in, ironically, the twin cities. But I am glad that Obama has taken the high road. Let the press and the blogs vet her.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:04 PM

Racism and sexism have very specific meanings. Asking a question regarding the qualifications of the VP candidate, just as long as they are not based on either of those two things does not qualify.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 06:01 PM

I dunno Sorcha. I don't consider myself any of those things. Lots of threads have gone on here far longer. If the consequences of McCain's possible (see, I used a qualifier) poor choice grow day by day, why should we leave it?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 05:41 PM

All you seemingly racist, sexist, ageist people are making me tired. I don't suppose you could just leave it, eh?

10 pages now....isn't that enough?

So, a LOT of people think McCain made a 'poor choice'. How about wait and see what happens next?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 05:25 PM

"Better not lose it with Barack Obama! "

We will only get it back with Barack.   Our system of government has been skewered by the regime that has been in charge for the past 8 years. The end is near!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 05:23 PM

"Ben Franklin warned us that it's a great system of government if we can keep it."


                   Better not lose it with Barack Obama!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 05:15 PM

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/97139

George Lakoff puts it succinctly.

"What Democrats have shied away from is a frontal attack on radical conservatism itself as an un-American and harmful ideology. I think Obama is right when he says that America is based on people caring about each other and working together for a better future-empathy, responsibility (both personal and social), and aspiration. These lead to a concept of government based on protection (environmental, consumer, worker, health care, and retirement protection) and empowerment (through infrastructure, public education, the banking system, the stock market, and the courts). Nobody can achieve the American Dream or live an American lifestyle without protection and empowerment by the government. The alternative, as Obama said in his nomination speech, is being on your own, with no one caring for anybody else, with force as a first resort in foreign affairs, with threatened civil liberties and a right-wing government making your most important decisions for you. That is not what American democracy has ever been about."

Palin represents all that is reprehensible about the right-wing of the US. To say that she
would be any kind of worthwhile VP is entirely specious and blind. She would destroy democracy
as we have come to know it. Ben Franklin warned us that it's a great system of government if we can keep it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 05:02 PM

Well, I'm glad that so far, Mudcatters have listened to Barack Obama and have not made an issue of Palin's daughter's pregancy, or of her husband's 22-year-old drunk driving arrest (he's age 44 now - do the math).

I suppose the firing of the public safety chief could be an issue if it involved pressure to fire the governor's sister's ex-husband, but there is no proof of any misconduct yet.

I hate it when the debate hangs on all the really stupid stuff. I hope it doesn't stoop to that here.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:52 PM

FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:

There's a growing sense that John McCain may not have done all his homework before making his V.P. pick.

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is now grabbing headlines for all the wrong reasons: her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant.Palin has hired a private lawyer in the trooper probe ethics investigation. She was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. Palin appeared at a convention of the Alaska Independence Party — which tried to get votes on whether the state should secede from the union. Her husband was arrested 22 years ago on a DUI. And, although Palin is now railing against earmarks, she got hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding for local projects as both governor and as mayor of Wasilla.

There's more. What about her foreign policy credentials? CNN's Campbell Brown repeatedly asked McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds last night why Palin is ready to be commander-in-chief, what qualifications she has, and to name one foreign policy decision Palin has made – Campbell never got an answer. It's reported that Palin may have only traveled overseas once, last year to Germany and Kuwait.

This has all led many to wonder how thorough of a vetting the Alaska governor got. McCain only met with Palin once and had one phone conversation with her before offering her the job. It raises serious questions about the kind of judgment McCain would use as president to make other big decisions.

Here's my question to you: Was Governor Sarah Palin properly vetted before being named John McCain's V.P.?

(COmments:

Tom from Huntington, New York writes:
The operative word here is properly. It is obvious that they gave her a quick once over and McCain decided she was it. There will be more information forthcoming about Gov. Palin. I think that by this time next week she will step down due to "family considerations".

Jennifer writes:
McCain's decision to put Palin on the ticket shows that he makes decisions based on what's good for him (without thinking or checking) and not good for the country. How could he put someone like that one melanoma away from the presidency? He went with his gut? That makes sense, because it surely wasn't a decision made with his brain.

Lyn from Petoskey, Michigan writes:
Let's see: he met her for a full fifteen minutes, no one in Alaska can remember being approached during the "process", her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant and she's under investigation for improperly using gubernatorial power? YA THINK?

Rick from Simi Valley, California writes:
Sarah Palin is looking more and more like one of those people you see on the Jerry Springer Show. I can't wait to see what future revelations come out regarding Palin and her past.

Wendy from North Carolina writes:
Good grief, I am more qualified to be V.P. if this is McCain's version of vetting! If you really want to get the Palin picture, have her debate Hillary! Now that would be fun to watch.

Mary from Baltimore writes:
If this is the judgment he used in selecting a vice president, good luck to all of us if he gets to the White House. An elderly gentleman with a history of a serious medical problem has chosen an inexperienced person from a remote village and state to be his back-up and perhaps president of the country. This is Katrina for the rest of us.

Kevin from Massachusetts writes:
I believe her name was picked from a hat. Does that count as vetted?)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:46 PM

OH...sorry--but how did you know?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:44 PM

Amos...you are showing WAY too much knowledge of acronyms

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:40 PM

I would add that she is not a MILF, in my book.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:36 PM

If, as the McCain camp is now saying, Palin was thoroughly vetted, why did they not put out a press statement when she was at the VP announcement rally Friday? I know they may not have WANTED some of this to come out, but I'm sure they expected word was going to get out at some point. Therefore, a brief press statement acknowledging her daughter, her husband's DWI, and what ever else there may be, could have been right there, out in the open. You can accuse the press of digging and trying to find anything (and in my opinion, a 22 year old DWI is stretching it), but don't blame them when they do find things that are noteworthy and then blame it on somebody else when you could have stopped it beforehand.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:36 PM

Well, Emma B, I did not suggest to her that she enter beauty contests at a tender age. Neither did anyone else here. Yet she did so, presumably on her own initiative, to reach or something she deemed important to herself--winning acclaim for her shapely feminine figure and general pulchritude. Or maybe, to get the hell out of a one-horse town, I dunno.

In my book, that is what a pinup girl does. If Bobert did the same thing, he'd be a pinup girl too.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:33 PM

Woody Guthrie didn't see anything shamesful in the term redneck when he sang about the Ludlow Massacre:

The soldiers jumped us in the wire fence corner;
They did not know that we had these guns.
And the red-necked miners mowed down these troopers,
You should have seen those poor boys run.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Emma B
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:30 PM

Governor Sarah Palin made history on Dec. 4, 2006, when she took office. As the 11th governor of Alaska, she is the first woman to hold the office.

She is the also the mother of 5 children and yet is is seemingly ok to contemptuously describe her as a 'pinup girl'

Now I don't agree with most (sorry, read ANY) of her policies but I think folks it is time you found a New Agenda as it is obvious (on this side of the pond) that sexism is at least as big a problem as racism in your great country.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:26 PM

You were, Bill, indeed you were. But to be fair I didn't say that myself, but was quoting someone more knowledgeable about wild political bookmaking than I.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:14 PM

I am not going to pray for that natural gas pipeline to get built. Nope. Nope.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 04:05 PM

Amos said:

"The smart money thinks there's a better chance Tuesday than Monday that John McCain will dump Sarah Palin as his running mate."

Was *I* not first with my 25¢ bet? Hmmm? Them Irish bookmakers are slow!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:55 PM

According to Palin, God is on her side to get her policies through:
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
And she also believes it was God's plan that we go to war in Iraq. Gee, she's just like W Bush, isn't she?

From this link st:

click here
Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:49 PM

Oops my weak memory was triggered and I see I was the one to use the term "red county rednecks." I think I kind of knew it was supposed to be a purged term from my lexicon. Sorry.

But I wasn't applying it to her, and I still think this selection clinches it. There are no more issues to discuss. My best guess is still that this appointment was forced upon McCain by red county . . . . . whatever you want to call them – but I am sick of them. This selection tells me that "they" are still in charge, and they do not want my middle of the road vote – they are going forward without us. Call them neocons, hayseeds, I don't have a very nice term in mind for them. Whomever it was who unapologetically gave us Guantanamo and trillion dollar wars of choice.

McCain has far higher approval ratings than does the Republican party. Apparently he can not bend it to his will.