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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:38 PM "rednecks get their neck red from working in the sun. It means they are working class folks. " NO WONDER Amos and other Democrats use it as an insult! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Wesley S Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:35 PM MG - Here in the south many people use the term redneck with pride - esp since rednecks get their neck red from working in the sun. It means they are working class folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: mg Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:22 PM Much better. I don't understand why the use of the term redneck is socially accepted in polite society. Also, about the First Nations people..is her husband not partially at least one? mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:20 PM "During her first speech after being named as McCain's surprise pick as a running mate, Palin said she had told Congress "'thanks but no thanks' on that bridge to nowhere." In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor. The bridge, a span from the city to Gravina Island, home to only a few dozen people, secured a $223 million earmark in 2005. The pricey designation raised a furor and critics, including McCain, used the bridge as an example of wasteful federal spending on politicians' pet projects. When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she was insulted by the term "bridge to nowhere," according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin's campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city. "People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting," Weinstein said. ..." (Reuters) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:16 PM The characterization of Palin as redneck was not mine, originally; I borrowed it from a native who was quoted extensively near the beginning of this thread. However I agree it was a bit over the line to re-use it. Almost as over the top as the assertions that she has a "green record" and an "ethics record" when she promotes drilling in wild-life reserves, hunting from helicopters, and keeping polar bears off the endangered species list despite the statistics of their shrinking habitats. But you're right--I should not engage in the same mind-twisting alterations as those whom I criticize do. So I withdraw the redneck descriptor; and the pixie descriptor, too. So my sentence now becomes, "You know what's really wonderful? That a A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Barry Finn Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:15 PM Amos, McCain is to stubbon to face he's made a MissTake with Flame, she'll stay, thank (I'm not religious) God. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Greg B Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:14 PM What a disaster area--- She's wrong about teaching religious theories in public school biology classes. She's wrong about teaching only abstinence for contraception in sex education--- and we can see in her own family how well it works. And in spite of people dancing around the kids' plight, so long as Mom is pushing a policy destined to fail, it's fair to note how it has failed in her own back yard. And I don't buy that we are infantalizing 17-year-olds who are dumb enough to decide to marry in this day and age. In decades gone by, they'd be done with their education and well into half of their expected life-span. Now, a 17-year-old isn't through high-school, much less the college education which is the norm for individuals expecting to make a decent living to raise a family. In essence, they're setting themselves up for poverty, or for undue dependence on family, either of which is the kiss of death for a long-lasting marital union. Yes, some make it. But most end up like 'Brenda and Eddie.' Nor do I find anything particularly noble about a 44-year-old woman with three children already carrying to term a Downs baby. I'm not going to advocate for any particular alternative, but I can think of several that would perhaps have been better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:09 PM So, if he does drop Palin, would he have to drop her this week before the official nominating??? Or could she be nominated and then he drop her??? The betters kinda have me confused with their betting on whether he would drop her on Monday or Tuesday when the article is plainly published today... That would rule out Monday so I reckon they have to be talkin' about next Monday or Tuesday... That don't make no sense... Heym if I'm McCain and I realize that I've made a mistake I want her out now!!! Not two hours or two days or next week but... ...NOW!!! As in don't let the door hit ya' on the way out... Regardless, if this does occur or doesn't, me thinks that John has pooped in his hat, put it on and pulled it down over his ears... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:02 PM Amos: "That a redneck pixie from an outback watering hole can..." Should I find an equivalent comment top make about Obama? You are well on your way to crossing the line... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:02 PM That's a little bit of a stereotype, though. My sister and Ebbie and KT and others live in Alaska and are not redneck etc. I am NOT sticking up for Palin, but even all rednecks aren't bad, such as my dad, so...I think it's best to keep the paintbrush closer to Palin and not use it so broadly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Barry Finn Date: 02 Sep 08 - 03:00 PM "As to the discussion of teen-age pregnacy, I also feel it is a family decision, not a public nor political one." As far as I'm concerned it's a public debate when the mother is running as the VP & she raises her daughter the same way she'd raise the children of the state of Alaska which would carry over the the way she'd sway the nation if she gets into office. She doesn't see the need for sex education within her family fine but education for the rest of the race helps to bring the numbers of unwanted pregnacies down. It is a problem & refusing to push education weither it be on reproductive sciences, climate & earth sciences, eviormental sciences is what we've been sorely lacking for the last 8 yrs, abstaining is not education, that's no more than an absurd request. She failed awfully as a Mayor to push education why would she do any better with the future of our nation's children? She wants to push creationism, let her do it in the faith based schools where each faith can deceid on which theory to teach based on their different beliefs in the different theories, (would they teach it if it was their own money & not ours they were spending?). Who's gonna teach the theories believed by the those of the 1st nations, they recieve federal funds for education don't they? A bit of a catch 22 there, when religions aren't taught in public schools if the recieve federal, state or other public funding. The issue of feuding with the Fed's over Bears may not loom largely over many heads but the fedreal protection of a spiecies, IMHO, is sacred these days, one of the few things they could be doing better but it is also one of the fews things they are doing right & one should have a pretty air-tight cause & reason to turnaround that policy. I haven't heard her reasoning but I sure hope it's better than the NRA wants it's hunters to have more targets to shoot & mostly I hope it's not a ploy to open up the ranges for the drilling of ANWR. Maybe by Nov will have an answer. Our is it only the polor bears she wants to eradicate? I do pray & hope she stays on the ticket though. McCain couldn't have made a poorer choice & had he picked better, even Rice would've been better thought the thought of her getting in rattles my bones, he'd have had a better shot & I'd rather see him go down in flames,,,,,again. Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:56 PM "...The only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has consistently supported drilling in ANWR, use of coal-burning power plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home town of Wasilla), strip mining, and almost anything else that will unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy its environment. Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska, she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage.The average maximum education level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade. Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I'm t alking about. These people don't have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US. Furthermore, they don't care. So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they're happy. I wish I were exaggerating. ..." You know what's really wonderful? That a redneck pixie from an outback watering hole can someday think of going all the way to Washington. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:46 PM BillDarlin'...already posted somewhere by me.:-) But, it does bear repeating! Thanks for the video link. Maher commenting on her having five kids, "Doesn't anyone in that party understand the concept of 'pull out?'" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM The rasty and riotous and often irresponsible Daily News carries the following from Bloomberg: "BLOOMBERG NEWS Tuesday, September 2nd 2008, 1:21 PM Pooley/Getty The odds are not in favor of John McCain keeping Sarah Palin on his ticket, according to bettors. The smart money thinks there's a better chance Tuesday than Monday that John McCain will dump Sarah Palin as his running mate. Before the Republican senator's presidential campaign disclosed the pregnancy of Palin's 17-year-old daughter, bookmakers in Britain and Ireland were offering 20-1 odds or higher on a bet that she would be forced off the ticket, meaning a 1 pound ($1.78) bet would pay 20 pounds. Now that same bet will pay no more than 8 pounds. "While it is rare that a VP candidate gets dropped, it's not completely impossible," said Ken Robertson, political betting analyst at Paddy Power Plc, a Dublin-based gambling company. "Lots of our punters are betting 'Shocking' Sarah's days are numbered," he added, using a nickname he came up with for the first-term Alaska governor. The odds, based on wagers made online with Paddy Power and William Hill Plc and in their betting shops, also suggest that McCain is less likely to win the White House because of his vice-presidential running-mate choice, announced Aug. 29. Both gambling houses, along with rival Ladbrokes Plc, place Democrat Barack Obama, 47, as the favorite to triumph in the contest. "Ever since he appointed her, people have stopped betting on McCain," said David Williams of Ladbrokes in London. "He went down like a sack of potatoes as far as the punters are concerned." ... " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:18 PM Emma thanks for the Real Time link. That epsiode used two of my bits. You are right wing I should not condemn Palin only her issues I will study Creationism for laughs and support our war on ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bill D Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:06 PM from the New York Times: "Among other less attention-grabbing news of the day: it was learned that Ms. Palin now has a private lawyer in a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state's public safety commissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; and that Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge. Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin's background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:06 PM And if nominated, she is still running second to Ferraro. But this is a secondary issue to the larger problem of a 73-year old with known melanoma and heart conditions entering the most stressful job in the world with a pinup girl as backup. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Emma B Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:55 PM 'A President Palin would favor such, I'm sure, seein' as she believes in creationism...' and she is a MILF to boot too! only in America.! 'We all accept a black man to lead us if the only other choice is a woman' You folks who protest (as indeed you should) against the spreading of lies about Obama's religion etc should really take a closer look at the lies posted here by his supporters; it does your 'cause' no good IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:40 PM "Either the first black president or the first female vp will be elected to office. Something definitely needs to be said about that." I agree, except there is one problem - her name has not been put into nomination and voted on by her party, and she has not accepted. Let's see how things play out in the next few days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:33 PM Did Adam and Eve make all them fossils of dinosaurs??? Geeze, that must have been alot of work... Wonder when it was that they found time to eat the forbidden fruit??? BTW, wonder if we need a Constitutional ammendment banning the teaching of evolution??? A President Palin would favor such, I'm sure, seein' as she believes in creationism... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:32 PM The problem with teaching creationism in the public schools is that it's the government promoting specific religions. In order to not be promoting specific religions, the schools would need to also teach all of the other creation myths of all of the other religions. Which would be impossible to do for lack of sufficient time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: mg Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:26 PM Again, I do not think she should be the VP. Teenagers get pregnant all the time. If I had raised daughters or sons, I would hopefully have raised them to be able to raise a baby by the age of 17 or 18 and to earn some sort of living. Pregnancy is the default of young people. There have to be all sorts of obstacles put in their way in order to have a chance for it not to happen. A 17 year old in a healthy realtionship getting pregnant is nature's preferred mode. A 13 or 14 year old is a tragedy and a total failure of parental supervision. I would never force a marriage at that age or ever, but I would surely encourage it if the teens were not abusive to each other and both wanted to. How old were people even in my generation when they got married? 17 or 18 or the minute they graduated from high school was very common. How old was your Sicilian grandmother? We infantilize young people way too much, extend adolescence way too long. She will cope, probably just fine, unless there is abuse involved, in which case get the abusing party out of the picture. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bill D Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM "Creationism Intelligent Design Evolution All are theories. None have been proven." *tsk*... evolution has been documented and studied in creatures which reproduce quickly. Evidence for it has been documented in Anthropology and Palentology...etc... by inferring that more complex organisms evolve just as the simpler ones do. Calling this 'just' theories shows a lack of comprehension of what 'theory' and 'proof' mean and what actually constitutes evidence. back to the topic: Palin's comprehension of these issues seems to be about the same as Hubby's.... she is now being fed talking points and such to blunt and 'explain' her extreme views. I doubt it will work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:13 PM Bush ran a baseball team, several oil businesses, and the state of Texas into the ground. That's a lot of experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: CarolC Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM I have to make a correction to my previous post. It wasn't Palin herself, it was her administration and her husband who made the calls, one of which is on tape... http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html?loc=interstitialskip |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: GUEST,heric Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:01 PM Teddy Roosevelt: "I can be President of the United States, or I can control [my daughter]. I cannot possibly do both." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:00 PM The suggestion thar working as Vice President will provide adequate "executive experience" is completely irrelevant. A vice-president needs to be able to take on the role of president on day one. The point is, it is always perfectly possible that by the time the inauguration comes around the person elected president might no longer even be alive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 01:00 PM Hub: I am very proud that, for the second time in our history, a woman has been selected to run for V.P. What I said up thread about evolution is not ":just my view of things" but a summary of facts. There are things called facts, and they are different than opinions and wishful thinking, and also different than speculations. "God made the world" is a speculation. "There is a large collection of evidence in support of the principle of evolution and natural selection" is a fact. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: irishenglish Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:59 PM Susu's Hubby-Creationism and Intelligent Design are faith based theories. They cannot be taught solely of themselves in public schools. Evolution can be. You want to teach them, do so in private school or Sunday school. Intelligent Design has been all but debunked anyway in the Kitzmiller vs. Dover School District case anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Susu's Hubby Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:56 PM Thank you Amos for trying to spin the argument with your big words and total disregard for anything other than to what you subscribe to. The one thing that gets me though on the whole Obama vs Palin story is that Obama is running for president while she is vp choice. Why are you guys trying to discredit a vp choice while trying to defend your presidential choice. Does she really create that much of a threat to you? What about the historical precendence being set for this election, Amos? History will be made here. You vigorously spouted your pride in that whenever Obama accepted the nomination. What about now? You can still be proud and not support someone at the same time. Either the first black president or the first female vp will be elected to office. Something definitely needs to be said about that. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Stringsinger Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:55 PM Picking Palin is a Rove set-up. She is a figurehead for the religious "right" and an attempt to appeal to the emotions of women as a reaction to Hillary. The real issue that she will try to foist on the debate is "The right to choose". This election will be about Roe v. Wade. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bobert Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:48 PM I hope you are wrong, Bill... I'd love to have Ms. Palin on the Repub ticket almost as much as I'd like to write the Obama ad that goes something like this: Picture and text: Palin railing against lobbiests and earmarks (10 seconds) then... *The Voice* (female): "As Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Ms. Palin and her lobbiest friends who were well connected to indicted Ted Stevens bilked the US Treasury out of $27M in earmarks. That amounts to over $4000 for every man, woman and child. That's not straight talk. That's double talk." Please, Repubs... Please keep Palin... Please!!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:47 PM Hub: A scientific theory is a very different thing than a vacuous, superstitious one. Calling them all "theories" in the same breath is extremely misleading, disingenuous and intentionally, or not, an alteration of the facts that evolution is supported by a hundred years of hard physical evidence, ranging from the fossil record to genetic studies to actual experimental demonstration of the evolutionary principles in the lab. No such body of evidence supports the other two models you mention, which is why they are deemed non-scientific. They are speculations, just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:40 PM It's hard to imagine why everybody is down on Pat Buchanan. He was the only rational voice on immigration in the 2000 election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Susu's Hubby Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:39 PM Creationism Intelligent Design Evolution All are theories. None have been proven. Why not teach all theories? You are for choice, after all, aren't you? Be consistent. Hubby |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Emma B Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:39 PM btw I am totally oppoaed to Sarah Palin's views on abortion, even in the case of rape or incest, as I respect a woman's right to choose (including the right to raise a child with Down's Syndrome) However just trotting out ridiculous (not to mention dishonest) comments like some that have posted just distracts from very real concerns like this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:32 PM Well said, Emma. It does no-one any good to twist things to make them seem worse than they are! And I speak as one who has occasionaly done so. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Emma B Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:28 PM Wired Magazine's Brandon Keim's article: McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School stated 'Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin wants creationism taught in science classes. In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska trotted out the usual creationist education canard: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."' An opponent of creationism however comments on line 'This is all true as far as it goes, but it's a bit dishonest of Keim not to quote the rest of Palin's statements in the article he linked: 'Creation science' enters the race. In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms: "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum. Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature. "I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism," Palin said.' .....to quote just the first part of her statements on creationism and ignore the second is misleading; because in the clarification she's describing a position that doesn't cause me (a staunch anti-creationist) any discomfort.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:11 PM I have in fact been looking for Palin photos of all kinds and what I found is this... With each passing day, photos are vanishing on the web. By today there are only the 6 stock photos remaing. No more pictures of Palin shooting guns. Today I did find a photo of her daughter aiming a hand gun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Emma B Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:04 PM like I said..... 'The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:01 PM "I recently found out some facts about this Alaskan governor and mayor of a small town that should send chills up anyone with common sense, but there are still Republicans out there with a dimly lit bulb. Here are the facts: 1) She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience. (not even out of Alaska) 2) Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest. (tell that to the thousands of raped girls every month) 3) She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. (She sounds scarier) 4) Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.(How about the Mayan belief, too that the world will end in 2012?) She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change. (Yeah, it's the aliens) She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska. (Way out of touch of reality when over 95% of the "experts" disagree with this fantasy) How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position. (Maybe he ran an ad in Craigs list) .." (LA TImes letter-writer) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: olddude Date: 02 Sep 08 - 12:00 PM It hasn't hit the bottom of the barrel, it actually below the barrel and yes that is what it has sunk too ... it will get worse before it gets better. That is why we get stuck with crap leaders all the time. The best people do not want to put up with this stuff on either side of the fence. I am pleased that there a few like Obama that actually want to make a difference IMO for what it is worth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Emma B Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:50 AM 'Welcome to In Entertainment where you will find the latest up-to-date gossip on the entertainment scene.' top story? 'Levi Johnston MySpace page describes Bristol Palin baby father' Says it all really - sigh! Whatever happened to political discourse - is this what the election of a president has sunk to? Even Spoof headlibes can't compete with this sick reality |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Amos Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:50 AM The family pregnancy is none of anyone's business, a stress for the young woman, the under-qualified young man, and the young woman's mother and father. It is a domestic scene with no bearing on the commons and its concerns. EXCEPT for those people who believe they have a right to meddle and muck about with individual moral codes and choices on vacuous and immaterial grounds. For them, the fact if an unwed pregnancy is "supposed to be" a sure sign of a lack of moral fiber and proper upbringing, and they will use this stilted, frozen-in-place style of thought to therefore have a lot of concern about Palin fille. Oddly enough, most folks who have such rigid and moralizing outlooks are those who view themselves as firmly to the right of Reagan. They make very poor leaders, IMHO--tending toward authoritarianism and spending too much time worrying about whether anyone is leaking any passion or enjoyment into the room. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: katlaughing Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:49 AM I was a teen mother when abortions and contraceptives for under 18 were illegal. It was my desire, at the time (what did I know?!) and just expected, that we would marry. I was 16 and he was 19. It lasted five years and two kids. It was ugly, hard, abusive, and no I did not come from an abusive background, but he did, and not something I would wish on any child. I do NOT regret for one moment the beautiful children I have from that, but they, too,could have started out with much safer, dependable lives had I not been married to their father, imo. The Palins are idiots, imo, for sanctioning the marriage of these two kids, esp. in light of what the boy had written online. Best that she have the baby, if she wants, and they learn to be parents without the added stress/baggage of teen marriage AND the national spotlight on them. That spotlight will be on them no matter what, thanks to McCain and her mom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Ed T Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:40 AM As to the discussion of teen-age pregnacy, I also feel it is a family decision, not a public nor political one. Hopefully, the young girl had the family support to make her decision unhampered by the public and political spotlight. Our family went through a similar situation and we wisely (for us) supported our daughter to deliver a healthy child and not marry at this time. When our daughter broke the news to us she asked our guidance if she should to marry the father to "save personal and family embarassment, and possible future embarassment for the child (born out of wedlock)." Our advice was that these reasons alone were not sufficient factors on whether she should marry. We suggested that this decision should be made after the birth, when there was less pressure on the future young father and mother. She followed our advice and after two years, did marry the father. I feel this was a wise choice for our family. We do live in times where there is greater public understanding and acceptance of yhese "situations". I welcome hearing of similar experiences or perspectives to share on this topic, regardless of the choice made. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Alice Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:33 AM "They have staffs" says Riginslinger Members of Congress have staffs, too. You are grasping at straws to give her credibility. It's not working. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Bill D Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:12 AM I have a shiny quarter that says Palin will NOT be on the ticket. They have a day or two to change their minds. Sure..I could lose my quarter, but wow...what a dilemma the Republicans have now - continue with a candidate that seems a bit awkward, or look foolish having to do an "Eagleton" and replace her.... Does the name Harriet Meiers ring any bells? ...vetting seems to be an art form the Republicans need to polish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Riginslinger Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:11 AM Maybe it's not too late to save him! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice From: Donuel Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:02 AM the prospective father is yet to mature into a full fledged conservative but his heart is in the far right spot. |
