BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Louie Roy
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 09:59 PM

At the present time I'm just one against 117 in this thread but come November I will be one of many million who will be voting for a winner McCain and Palin Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 09:51 PM

24TH

Listen to her for the groomed comments she has been practicing recently.

Idealism is fine but you have to be realistic

Obama scares me

We are in a world of hurt if ...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 09:50 PM

I think she will lose McCain as many men as she will gain him women, especially in the rust belt and in the eastern mountains.

Mooseburgers, Hockey mom, Female basketball player. That's more exotic than Obama. Though she'd be really at home in Newfoundland.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 09:47 PM

Ebbie I have not posted ANY images of Palin.

The ones I have made I will not show here.

Palin used to be against drilling in Anwr
now she is for it.

She first opposed the oil pipeline
now she is for it.

Sometimes you don't have to pay a person money to corrupt them sometimes it is done with an offer of power.

She filmed a Murcdoch dicumentary called In Search of Black GOld last month and will air Sept 34th

In the coming days she will be all about drilling.
She will be all about abortions

Ebbie I am sure she is a fine woman and you would not not like to hear anything contrary.

President Palin can release nuclear missles in 15 minutes.
But she calls them nuckular.


THIS DESERVES CAPS

SENATOR MCCAIN MET WITH PALIN ONLY ONCE...AND THE MEETING LASTED 15 MINUTES.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 09:31 PM

So what do we know about the sister, Molly McCann?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 08:32 PM

I lose my cookies if I eat Jell-O

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 08:30 PM

I wonder if Michael Palin ever ran into this lady on his travels when he passed through Alaska on his Full Circle journey.

Here is a link to one day he spent in Alaska in his journal of the trip. And here's a taste from it: "On the way back, in a desolate landscape, broken by rickety cabins jacked up on oil-drums and discarded dredge buckets from previous gold mining activities, we stop for a beer at the Safety Bay Inn run by a lady with two-tone vanilla and chocolate-coloured hair. Dollar bills are stuck on the ceiling and the lavatories are marked 'Women' and 'Animals'.

Great journal - and a great documentary series.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: bobad
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 08:17 PM

Interesting piece on NPR about someone, using her son's name as ID, spent last night cleaning up her Wikipedia entry.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:20 PM

She is up to her neck in an ethics scandal. When the full details come out, and most importantly the cover-up, I predict she'll have to resign from the race. I can't believe that the background review failed to make McCain realize just how vulnerable she is. This was a HUGE mistake for the republicans. I predict she'll have to resign from the campaign before it's over. Bob(deckman)Nelson

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That last comment was from me, Bob Nelson. I wonder why I loose my cookie at the strangest times ... must be a republican trick! Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:07 PM

Anyone whose decision to not vote for Obama is in anyway shaped by unkind things said about Obama's opponents by his supporters really isn't in a position to vote for McCain, either. If that really is the reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:07 PM

Good old John, he does like younger women. Can't fault him for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: olddude
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:04 PM

Actually when all things are said and done, too much is made of experience. I once read experience is a hard teacher, first it gives you the tests, then it gives you the lessons.

I have worked with people who had 20 years of experience, what they actually had was 2 years of experience 10 times over. I have worked with people who had 2 years of experience and were more gifted than those with 20. It depends on the person. I don't like her for this reason:

Ultra conservative: what that means to me is George Bush. Funny how the term conservative really isn't conservative. Throwing out the bill of rights (privacy) starting wars, tax breaks to only the wealthy corporates. I care about her politics. The right wing is the wrong wing and it does not work for a country with so many different people all deserving of good health care and the right to have a decent life for their families. For that, I don't like her or McCain. I respect McCain, but he would never get my vote. A third term of George Bush would cripple this nation

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 07:01 PM

From the Christian Science Monitor's Vote Blog (comments/columns welcome)in response to an op/ed by George Beach, Alaskan op/ed writer

: P Martin | 08.29.08

As another Alaskan, I have a different view:

McCain just picked a person who won the race for Governor on an anti-corruption message but then herself plays politics with state rules on personnel when she (and her husband and a bunch of her staff) tries to force the firing of her ex-brother-in-law.

McCain, on his 72nd birthday, picks someone who has NO national security knowledge or experience, no NATIONAL experience, and less than two years of state leadership experience. That sure makes me nervous!

Gov Palin is going to be blown out of the water by Senator Biden in terms of knowledge and expertise.

LeeJ, exactly!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:54 PM

I would normally feel this is a wondrous and gloriously disastrous choice. Biden should cancel out the McCain experience on the one hand and age on the other. Palin and Obama have limited experience and look like all American family types.

What this should mean is that both parties would be stupid to attack the weakness of the other nor should either push too strongly on false strengths. In the end we could actually have two sets of candidtes focusing on the real issues and their solutions to them.

Sadly this is modern American politics and instead we'll hear nothing but sniping, accusations, more lies, and deep,deep, bullshit.

A good friend of mine and I were discussing how the company we sold for had failed to live up to our customer's expectations and what a helluva' mess that put us in. Trying to figure out what to do, he had the best line I ever heard and it makes total sense in describing the current campaiign methods in this country...........

Lie, Deny, and Make Counter Allegations

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:53 PM

You know, if you get the 'L' out of 'Palin', they rhyme: McCain/Pain.

I think maybe they don't have much money and they're trying to save on letters.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:50 PM

Damn, Jack. Stole my line!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:49 PM

McGrath, I have seen Abraham Lincoln, and believe me sir, this lady is no Abraham Lincoln.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:39 PM

>>>What was a bold move, was her mentioning of Hillory Clinton in her speech. I suspect this could back-fire.

She didn't! Did she!!??

I can see the response.

Hillary Clinton: "I am Hillary Clinton! And you're no Hillary Clinton!"

LOLOLOLOL

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:37 PM

Abraham Lincoln of course had no "executuive experience" whatsoever. And he never even managed to get into the Senate. Totally unqualified to be commander-in-chief.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:34 PM

Choosing a woman...Smart! Choosing a woman with no national or foreign policy skills, some experience as a suburban mayor, and an anti-abortion pro-NRA stance as well? A very odd choice.
Her conservative stances may woo some right wingers in the Republican Party, but not like Romney would have. And trying to appeal to the sort of anti-sexist bra-burners on Hillary's left edge who would throw votes to McCain out of spite, with this conservative woman? Ann Coulter would have been just as good.

I am thankful for the choice. If you think McC will look like a bumbler in the debates with Obama, how is this woman going to deal with Biden?

This smells like a deal reached by McCain alone and based upon the quandary "how can I rein in the conservatives and retain the unhappy Hillary women? RIGHT! A conservative woman!"
But she's unqualified.
"So what? So is Obama!"
Right.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:31 PM

"I have found out exactly who owns her..." Donuel

NO, Donuel, you have NOT.

Posting that old magazine cover of Palin is counter-productive, to my mind. I think it's a STUPID look; she looks much better now.

The funny thing is that a month or two ago at music I said to the group, You know, I suspect that Governor Palin plans to become President one day.

One musician, in city government, nodded his head. Oh, yeah, he said.

Incidentally, Alaska's corruption has come to light in recent years but I wonder if it may be farther toward cleaning itself up than some other states? When the FBI made that raid on legislative offices and then it came down the pipe that several legislators were arrested and indicted I read a political column which claimed that "this is a sad day for Alaska".

I don't agree at all. Corruption coming to light is a GOOD thing; the sad part of it is that it was happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:27 PM

>>If you're a Democrat, can you think of a Republican you'd rather see as Vice President?

McCain is seventy two. I'd like someone with an inkling of an idea of what to do if he can't complete his term. Each person who ran against him in the primaries and Joe Lieberman would be better choices in my opinion.

Has this woman even thought about being President before a few days ago?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 06:24 PM

No offence: McCain won't be elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 05:46 PM

I have found out exactly who owns her and how long she has been groomed for this job and why. There was no sudden surprise decision.

Her credo: Drill Drill Drill ANW(life)R must be drilled NOW.

Her owners: Big Oil

Her Groomer: Murcdoch and the Wall Street Journal

100 days ago she was contacted to do the Wall Street Journal TV special In Search of Black Gold. It will air September 24th

The anti abortion issue is a feather in McCain's hat. The myth that she is a crack shot hunter is laughable.

Now that you know, listen for her progressively strident position on drilling.



"Obama scares me" she says this a lot
"In a world of hurt!" her favorite phrase and repeated like McCain's says"my friends"

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:32 PM

From the NYTs's Timothy Egan

August 29, 2008, 2:36 pm
Ms. Alaska

She hunts! She fishes! She eats moose burgers! She can gut a salmon as well as dispatch an incumbent governor! She's a rural mother of five who clings to guns and religion -– exuberantly!

In choosing as his running mate Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, two years removed from her only other political job as a small-town mayor, John McCain has certainly offered up a giant-killer -– "Sarah Barracuda," as she's known in the Last Frontier State.

Palin, who has more than a passing resemblance to Tina Fey, took on the kleptocracy of Alaska's Republican politics and won.

First, she ousted hated incumbent Frank Murkowski in a primary two years ago, and then promptly cleaned up his mess in Juneau, even selling his private jet on e-bay. Second, she rejected the "bridge to nowhere," the famous earmark for a span from Ketchikan to an island of 50 people -– further angering the politicians-for-life who have run Alaska for half as long as it's been in the union.

But she has her own ethics concern, the subject of an investigation of whether the governor's office was involved in the firing a state trooper who was in the midst of a nasty divorce from Palin's sister — Troopergate with a bit of Alaska Gothic thrown in. And McCain's selection -– a woman who looks young enough to be his college-age daughter -– makes it hard for Republicans to criticize Barack Obama for his in inexperience. Palin is an inoculation for what may be the biggest rap against Obama. That's a huge risk.

Could Palin take on Putin?

Slaying Frank Murkowski and dueling with Don Young, the pork-loving congressman behind the bridge, is one thing. Both men are old-style hacks, to be kind. But Palin has zero experience on the world stage -– a crucial factor for McCain, who made the announcement on his 72nd birthday. And, just recently, she seemed to have no idea what the job of vice president entails.

"What is it exactly that the vice president does every day?" she asked in an interview on CNBC. A fair question, but one that also reinforces her inexperience.

Her bio is classic Alaska, a state where everyone has a past but it's so far, far away –- "Outside," as Alaskans call the mainland United States. If Cokie Roberts thinks Hawaii is "foreign and exotic," what will she and her other geographically challenged pundits think of Alaska, which has its own time zone?

Palin eloped with her husband, Todd, a commercial fisherman, who later won the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snow machine (as snowmobiles are called in Alaska) race. She gave each of her five children names that sound like her state -– Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig. She's a self-described "hockey mom," which means something in Minnesota and Colorado, two battleground states.

As a University of Idaho graduate, a television sports reporter, a beauty queen who was Miss Wasilla and competed for Miss Alaska, Palin brings a bit of the "Legally Blonde" aspect to the race -– you underestimate her at your peril, as opponents found in Alaska, and in the movie.

Militantly anti-choice and evangelical, the 44-year-old gave birth to her last child five months ago. (There were complications — the child has Down Syndrome — a point that she brings up in explaining her convictions.) Does she woo women, the disgruntled ex-Hillary supporters? That may be a tougher sell, given that she's bound to back the kind of Supreme Court justices who will remove abortion protections.

And on energy, she could have a debate with her ticket-mate, for Palin favors drilling for oil in the Alaska wildlife refuge, while McCain opposes it -– for now.

Oil has made her state rich, so much so that Palin has asked the legislature this year to give every Alaskan $1,200 as one-time energy relief. But it's also made it ripe for corruption.

Tough, independent, a feisty feminist — that's one image of the Republican pick. But there's also the echo of Dan Quayle.

In Alaska, big dreams come to life quickly. They just as swiftly crash.

Louie, I agree with Kendall. I cannot think of any reason why I would choose to vote GOP for the first time. I hope you will change your mind after learning more about all of the candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:15 PM

Incidentally, of those 11 presidents, Bush I was the only one to go directly from VP to President via election. (Nixon was elected eight years later, after having lost to Kennedy. The other three assumed the job upon the death or resignation of their bosses.)

To me, this points out what a non-issue the "experience" issue really is. What better way to gain the experience needed to serve as President than by serving as Vice President? But the American public has only thought highly enough of one of its VPs to kick him upstairs to the top job? (Twice if you count Gore's winning the popular vote.)

"Experience", or lack thereof, is nothing but a smokescreen. It counts for no more in politics than it does in business, and businesses routinely promote talented, highly motivated newcomers ahead of more "experienced" but less creative plodders.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:10 PM

mg, obviously this is going to impact people who would have actually voted for Hillary. I'm speaking for women like myself who favored her. Your mileage may vary.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ed T
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 04:09 PM

Carole C,
In addition to putting a good alternative perspective forward on issues, (with few words), I find your comments quite humourous.

What some call a "bold move" in putting Palin forward, it was expected by many punbdits (likely from trial baloons by McCain's folks) and quite reasoned.

It simply a counter move to ballance out the "minority group" card that the other guys have (While women are a majority of the population, they are a minority in the political feld).

What was a bold move, was her mentioning of Hillory Clinton in her speech. I suspect this could back-fire.

(BTW, is anyone so nieve to believe that these speeches are not written by professional speech writers, and studied to death by party handlers/stratigists, and presented to focus groups before being given?)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:54 PM

And to further (just for fun) if one considers that since it switched to VP's being chosen, two other men in this century might be considered as well technically. They are of course, Harry S Truman, and Lyndon Johnson, whose highest offices were Senator until called upon through death and assasination. Both of those gentlemen never served in an "executive" capacity pdq. Just for fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: mg
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:53 PM

Many women were not enthusiastic about Hillary. I was personally appalled at the prospect. I do not see her as more qualified than others like Sebelius, whom I did like quite a lot. I still would not refer to her private parts, as people did, or indicated she had some that women would not generally have..She should have at the very least shot them a withering glance and said that is not something we should be discussing on a nationally televised podium.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:50 PM

FOX Palin a cure for all energy ills. Palin

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:48 PM

To refer to the genitals is to be perfectly blunt about McCain's very obvious move, Mary. In this campaign there is little new, it's two men running for the presidency. Women were enthusiastic because Hillary was a solidly good candidate for the top position, but now, the new VP running mate is nothing more than political arm candy. Many women will feel seriously diminished by this choice.

McCain put a woman on the ticket clearly hoping that Hillary's disappointed supporters are so shallow that they'll be like iron shavings to a magnet and vote for him simply because he has a woman on the ticket.

I know this will work against him. As a Hillary supporter, I sometimes wondered if I was so in favor of her because she is a woman, but when I see what the alternative is, it is repugnant. Palin's a big fish from a tiny Alaskan pond. Hillary asked on Tuesday night "Are you in this for me, or for these other people?" The answer for me was "both." With Hillary it was excellent that she was one of us.

Palin far is less solid than Geraldine Ferraro, who was a marginal choice at best, and I say this of my party. I think Quayle has met his match in the pretty partner fluffy VP candidate category.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:47 PM

Sorry pdq. Incorrect. Warren G Harding did as well. Just for fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:44 PM

Thanks, B-dubs-El. The answere (just for fun) was Jack Kennedy. In the whole history of the US, just one person moved from the Senate to the Whtie House.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:44 PM

Of the 11 men who've served as US President since WWII, the breakdown regarding the highest level jobs they held prior to their elections is:

Army General: 1 (Eisenhower)
Senator: 1 (Kennedy)
Governor: 4 (Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II)
Vice President: 5 (Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Bush I)

Of those who were vice presidents, Truman, Johnson, and Nixon were senators before that, Ford & Bush I had been congressmen (tho Bush I had also been ambassador to the U.N. and head of the CIA in betweentimes).

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:43 PM

Louis, I can't imagine what any democrat could possibly say that would make me vote for a republican! Even a quick look at McCain's record would turn me off.
Read "The Nightingale's Song" if you want to know the real John McCain.He crashed 5 planes, was near the bottom of his class at Annapolis, a hot dogger, and screwup. He hit his wife with "I want a divorce" while she was recovering from an accident that left her disfigured. He has been in the Senate for 25 years, in other words, part of the problem we now have. He went half way around the world and bombed the piss out of a country that never did us any harm. His behavior as a prisoner was admirable but it does not qualify him to be president.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:17 PM

I sense she is far more intelligent than Dan Quayle

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: mg
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:13 PM

I think it is inappropriate, and it certainly has been done to Obama, to refer to the genitals of the candidates. Why is this being done?

I do not think she is playing the pretty card. She is an attractive woman to most people. She dressed this morning in what seems to me a way to play down her looks..a dowdy black suit, hair pinned up in a matronly bun, and geeky (no offense to geeks) eyeglasses. That is the same look I have adopted to play down my gorgeousness.

She does not seem qualified to be president, but nevertheless she strikes me as a very impressive woman and certainly one of the better role models for girls I have seen..quite an array of skills not commonly found. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:10 PM

It did occur to me just now that her best match is probably Dan Quayle.

Makes me smile!

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:06 PM

I heard someone point out the 20 itch/

Every 20 years the Republican party picks a well known VP to run and everytime they lose.

Everytime they select an unknon like Quayle, Agnew etc they win!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:53 PM

"Still, she has a lot more executive experience than Oh Bummer. "

You are dreaming. Even when you try to twist the word "executive", she still comes up on the shortside.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:48 PM

It should make it hard to get too much mileage on the "Obama isn't experienced enough to be President" line. Any vice-president needs to be ready to step into the top job at a moment's notice. More especially when the president is McCain's age.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:43 PM

Still, she has a lot more executive experience than Oh Bummer.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:30 PM

As much as I dislike Obummer, I am a realist.

Much as this oxymoronic proposition amuses me, I appreciate your pragmatic concession, Sawz.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:22 PM

A thought experiment: If McCain keeled over from a heart attack three weeks before the November election, do you think the GOP would elevate Palin to their Presidential candidate?

If they would not, consider that if the same event happens a day AFTER the January swearing in ceremony, that is what they will have done.

Question: is this a wise course for the nation?



a

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:09 PM

As much as I dislike Obummer, I am a realist. McCain is sunk. He does not have a snowball's chance in hell.

I can't see any woman, except maybe Xenia the Warrior Princess, holding up to Putin or Chavez or Achmadinijad or Kim Jong-il.

But I ain't going to worry over it either. Life is too short.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 02:01 PM

And even though it appears that Palin was instrumental in the cancellation of the "Bridge to Nowhere" project, ill-informed pundits will still try to blame the bridge on her. See this article for more information.
Seems to me that Palin is a good choice, somebody who breaks the mold and who has been associated with the idea of reform in the Republican Party. If he wants to win, McCain is going to have to stay away from everyone closely associated with the Bush Administration. Choosing Palin certainly helps in that way. Comparing her to Cheney, you sure can't say she is "more of the same." If you're a Democrat, can you think of a Republican you'd rather see as Vice President? Karl Rove?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:53 PM

Hey, what are you women doing, making all these sexist jabs like calling Palin a "bimbo"?

Hey, Joe, do you think that just any woman will do, that this is what all of those people, the largest percentage of them middle-aged and older women, were working for? To have a woman in office at all costs?

Hell, NO!

People miss the point, that not only was Hillary a woman she was as-or-more-qualified than anyone out there in the Democratic field. Better than the Republican field as well. Would you say that about Palin? Can you honestly imagine that Palin could get through all of the events of the last 20 years that Hillary has faced without buckling? We don't know, she is younger and hasn't the background (and what is her education?) but I wouldn't put any money on her.

There is nothing wrong with a woman having good looks, and absolutely nothing wrong with a smart woman having good looks. But it does sound like Palin has been playing the looks card in the popularity component of the political contest in her state, doesn't it?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Louie Roy
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:50 PM

I was born and raised a Democrat for 83 years but this November I will be voting for a different party and after reading all of the nasty remarks made about McCain and Palin it has made it easier for me to make this statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 01:50 PM

Of the 11 men who've served as US President since WWII, the breakdown regarding the highest level jobs they held prior to their elections is:

Army General: 1 (Eisenhower)
Senator: 1 (Kennedy)
Governor: 4 (Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush II)
Vice President: 5 (Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Bush I)