BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 16 - 03:43 AM

Steve,

Are those two examples of prominent apologists for the Israeli regime supposed to be evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH,

No. I was showing that the inference is widely held, especially by Labour Jews whose opinion is highly relevant.

prominent apologists for the Israeli regime
Can you for once justify that assertion?

Jim,
"It was a silly song, and disgustingly antisemitic."
Then why did you compare it to the theme song from 'Dad's Army'

Because neither song has any historical significance, though the Dad's Army one reflects most closely how Brits felt at the time.

I recalled having been told as a young man of British politicians describing reports of Auschwitz as "lies by whingeing Yids".   
You objected strenuously saying I had made it up -

No. You gave it as an actual quote.
You were forced to concede that it was not. It was made up.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 06:36 AM

"It was a silly song, and disgustingly antisemitic."
Then why did you compare it to the theme song from 'Dad's Army'
"I never said it was harmless,"
Then why did you compare it to the theme song from 'Dad's Army' We went to "war against Herr Hitler and stood alone aginst him at great and terrible."
Diversive bullshit.
Can I remind you of how that argument started.
I recalled having been told as a young man of British politicians describing reports of Auschwitz as "lies by whingeing Yids".   
You objected strenuously saying I had made it up - you insisted that such an idea was "illogical"
Despite having been presented with the behaviour of some British politicians, you continued to defend your "illogical" argument.
You have never had any interest in the welfare of the Jewish People - your only interest is to defend the interests of right wing extremism - here and in Israel.
Inn this particular case, that included defending virulent Antisemitic fascism by extremely dangerous British Fascists art a time when, as you say "we went to war against Herr Hitler and stood alone against him at great and terrible cost".
I like the "Herr" - by the way - not often you see him referred to as Mr.
And before you use it as an excuse - mine was a direct quote from British Fascists - yours was your own chosen description.
Jay-sus - is the mask really slipping when you're put to it??
"you presumably mean they supported Israel's right to exist."
More made up Keith shit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:32 AM

....cost

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:32 AM

Steve,
two examples of prominent apologists for the Israeli regime

They were lifelong Labour people, but yes they were Jews so their views on Labour antisemitism do not count.
By "apologists" you presumably mean they supported Israel's right to exist. I thought you did too Steve.

Jim,
Are you really defending this ****** song
No.

Your disgustingly antisemitic comment was that it was a harmless "silly" song

It was a silly song, and disgustingly antisemitic.
I never said it was harmless, but that little clique of antisemites had no influence.
We went to war against Herr Hitler and stood alone aginst him at great and terrible.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:07 AM

"Jim, one anti-semite wrote a silly song for his antisemitic friends, "
Are you really defending this ****** song by a bunch of British fascist who went on to attempt to form a provisional Government for when "Herr Hitler won the war"
"The song was never published or sung in public."
So what - does that make Antisemitism from members of the Government, the House of Lords, The Press.
Your disgustingly antisemitic comment was that it was a harmless "silly" song - considering what was to follow, that is an obscene statement to make, and considering what would have happened had Hitler won the war, it is dismissing genocide.
You are fully aware of this, which is why you lied about having said it "Not true. Produce a quote why don't you?!"
I really think you're finished here, don't you Keith?
You really do disgust me.
"How can we when Chakrabarti refused to make them public in her whitewash report."
The report is now in the hands of those in whose interest it would be to release the details of Labour's "Antisemitism" - none is forthcoming so I really must be very, very, Antisemitic, don't you think????
As Bobad's link pointed out, it amounts to criticism of Israel, which makes the civilised world "antisemitic"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:54 AM

Are those two examples of prominent apologists for the Israeli regime supposed to be evidence that Chakrabarti accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH, Keith, or do they merely represent the fact that you enjoy nothing more than flogging dead horses? Wouldn't you have thought that, by now, had there been any truth in the allegation, the gutter press would have gone to town on it? Or maybe your mate Rupert fancies the arse off of Shami so is laying off... 😂😂😂

There are no Jew-hating bigots in this thread, bobad, but I'll tell you this much: there won't be many Jews, in Israel or anywhere else, who would want you for a friend, especially if they heard about how you hid behind a cheating second identity in order to call people Jew haters leaving "bobad" unscathed. They simply wouldn't feel safe. You are the archetypal antisemite. A Hamas secret agent couldn't be doing a better job than you.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:22 AM

Jim, one anti-semite wrote a silly song for his antisemitic friends, on the eve of this country taking on the might of the Third Reich expecting nothing but deaths and crushing defeat.
The song was never published or sung in public.

"Well your honour - we think they're guilty but we're not going to tell you who they are or what they've done."

How can we when Chakrabarti refused to make them public in her whitewash reeport.
We do know that 50 people were suspended from the party, and that the "entire NEC was appalled" just by "recent incidents" of antisemitism.

The problem was serious enough to require two labour Party inquiries and a Parliamentary one yet to report.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Aug 16 - 03:51 AM

"ZFUK is not the only organization voicing harsh criticism of Labour's handling of antisemitism in the party."
And once again we have confirmation that this campaign is linked directly to Israel's attempts to offset criticism of it's murderous and predatory behavior.
Bobad's linked article is taken from statements from The Zionist Federation of the U.K. whose self stated aims are...
"The ZF celebrates Israel and challenges our enemies. As the UK affiliate of the World Zionist Organisation, originally founded as the Zionist Organisation at the initiative of Theodor Herzl, The ZF stands up for Israel in all forums, both nationally and internationally. From the media, to civil society, to the political establishment, The ZF is proud to support the noble cause of Zionism."
It really cannot get more plainly stated than that - the "Antisemitism" that Labour is being accused off are not attacks on The Jewish People, but on criticism of Israel - it actually says so in the article - anybody who criticises Israel automatically becomes an Antisemite..
I've asked Bobad is that is is position - with his usual display of courage he refuses to answer,
I was brought up in a household that totally supported the cause of the State of Israel.
The obvious rise in Nazisim in Germany inspired my father, a pacifist Catholic, to volunteer to fight in Spain to attempt to stop the rise of fascism - he fought alongside Jewish Refugees who had fled Germany and recognised the Nazi threat to the Jewish People.
He was wounded, captured and hospitalised, and in San Sebastain Prison he befriended German Jewish members of the Ernst Thälmann Brigade.
When my father died, our house was filled with people I had never met, including some of the Jews who had fought alongside him in Spain, some of whom had gone on to become Jewish Freedom Fighters for the new State of Israel.
Throughout my entire political life I have associated with and befriended left wing Jews who thought, as I do, that this rotten world desperately needs improvement - now "self-hating" Jews all, to the scum who have destroyed the dream of a Jewish Homeland by adopting the same policies as were used to send six million of them to the extermination camps.
To Bobad - I am an Antisemite, because I oppose these people.
Fine by me.
I'm happy to put beliefs against anybody's who doesn't have the courage and the principle to condemn the describing of this song, written on the eve of the extermination of six million Jews, as "a silly song as harmless as the theme song of 'Dad's Army', 'Who Do You Think You're Kidding Mr Hitler":

Land of dope and Jewry,
Land that once was free,
All the Jew boys praise thee
While they plunder thee.

Poorer still and poorer
Grow the trueborn sons,
Faster still and faster
They're sent to feed the guns.

Land of Jewish finance,
Fooled by Jewish lies,
In press and books and movies
While our birthright dies.

Longer still and longer
Is the rope they get
But, by the God of battles
T'will serve to hang them yet.

Please feel free to call me an "Antisemite" for as long as the fanct takes you Bobad - personally, I'm at a loss to find a word which describes your behaviour.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 08:31 PM

"The more stories like this emerge, and the greater the suspicion that the current Labour leadership is unwilling or unable to tackle or even recognize what contemporary antisemitism looks like, the greater the perception will become that, as it stands, the party is a toxic environment for Jews."

ZFUK is not the only organization voicing harsh criticism of Labour's handling of antisemitism in the party.

Jonathan Sacerdoti, director of communications at the Campaign Against Antisemitism, said in a statement that Labour's "constant stream of controversy and scandal…further erodes the trust of all reasonable Britons in the party itself."

"Weak cover stories, half excuses, support from and for extremists, power and honor being handed to those covering up antisemitism, and now money being donated by terrorist sympathizers and supporters; there can be no question that this is being misread or spun by a specific interest group," he said.

Antisemitic Fringe in Labour Emboldened by Rise of Jeremy Corbyn

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 05:14 PM

"I want to see Corbyn elected asaleader of the labour party."
Me too Dick
He may lack experience but he's streets ahead as far as honesty and principles are concerned.
I might even decide to vote againif he stays.
Do these people really feel it acceptable that you can accuse a Party in this way and refuse to describe what they are accusing it of
I really do find this unbelievably
No wonder the Irish hate them - whoops - forgot - they wouldn't tell us how they did that either
Memo to myself - must resist using the word tosser
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 04:54 PM

I want to see Corbyn elected asaleader of the labour party.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 04:46 PM

Just goes to show you eh Greg
Somebody actiually belitles the suffering of the Jewish People - no problem
Somebody criticises the extreme right wing Israeli Regime - tooy thrown ot of th pram
His ancestors really bust be proud of thiis defender of the faith
Sheesh - what a friggin' team of right-wing tossers!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 03:00 PM

Keep up with the anti-Semitic tropes Carroll

Yup Bubo- just like those thouusands of Jewish Israeli citizens who oppose the atrocious policies of the Israeli Government.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:57 PM

"Keep up with the anti-Semitic tropes Carroll, "
You're the Antisemit Bobad
What do you think of Keith's "silly" song - do you think it's as harmless as the Dad's Army theme considering what was happening to the Jewish People at the time
I don't expect youto answer this - defending the Jewish people isn't your thing, is it?
Your dishonest spinelessness is a wonderful example of Israeli bhaviour.
Now, if it were about the Israeli regime, that would be different.
"He said he will resign if Corbyn is re-elected leader."
Hopefully he'll take a bunch of right-wingers with him.
'bout time the Labour Party remembered why it was created.
Any word on numbers or examples yet fellers - no - thought not
Beee-zaaaar!
"Well your honour - we think they're guilty but we're not going to tell you who they are or what they've done."
Pity the days of silent film are over - this would make a great Mudkat Kops scenario.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:19 PM

Gillian Merron, who is now the chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, suggested that Shami Chakrabarti's antisemitism inquiry within the Labour Party was "something of a whitewash".

Merron represented Lincoln as Labour MP from 1997 to the 2010 general election

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:14 PM

Parry Mitchell, a Jewish member of the House of Lords and a former frontbencher under Ed Miliband, said anti-Semitism in Labour had been "permitted to fester" under Mr Corbyn.

In a letter to The Times this morning, Lord Mitchell said the inquiry led by Shami Chakrabarti, which concluded the party was not "over-run" by anti-Semitism, was an "insipid whitewash".

He said he will resign if Corbyn is re-elected leader.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:13 PM

Hi
The Party's over....it's time to call it a day..!!!

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: bobad
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 02:02 PM

Keep up with the anti-Semitic tropes Carroll, they show you to the world for the Jew hating bigot that you are.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 01:49 PM

"Either of you EVER had an original thought of your own?" - Raggy {"Just saying like"}

Judging by the respective input to this thread and considering some others I'd say both of us have given the subject a great deal more attention and thought than you (Or "say nothin'" Greg F.) have Raggy.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 12:44 PM

Either of you EVER had an original thought of your own?

Correction: Either of you EVER had a thought, period?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 12:28 PM

"Worked out well for all those folks in Gaza didn't it Raggy? "
Thanks to Israeli genocidal terrorism, do you mean?
Just saying, like!
"And when did the Israeli throw people off high-rise buildings Greg F"
And when did Hamas adopt a policy of ethnic cleansing and facilitate the massacre of 3,500 unarmed rafugees
How long do you want to go on with this - plenty more examples.?
USE of WHITE PHOSPHORUS
U.S. COVER UP
ISRAELI WAR CRIMES HAARETZ
ETHNIC CLEANSING HAARETZ
ISRAELI WAR CRIMES
Want any more?
Jim Carroll



Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 12:22 PM

Oh how very original of the professor and his sidekick to use an expression someone else used.

Either of you EVER had an original thought of your own?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 11:54 AM


(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

Christians are disappearing from the whole Middle East through persecution, likewise Yazidis from Syria, and there are regular massacres of Christians in Pakistan.
Then there are the killings of one kind of Muslim by other kinds.
Just saying like.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 11:30 AM

No, just bomb the buildings out of existence.

Just saying like.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 11:05 AM

And when did the Israeli throw people off high-rise buildings Greg F.?

Hamas did that to members of Fatah they rounded up in Gaza in 2007. I must say you guys and Hamas have got a very strange idea of what constitutes safety and security of those under Hamas governance. On the subject of governance and respect of the rights of the population in general - When was the last time elections were held in Gaza Greg F.?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:47 AM

Worked out well for all those folks in Gaza

That the folks the Israeli Gov't annihilated, T?,

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:44 AM

Raggytash - 09 Aug 16 - 10:25 AM

(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

"Just saying like." - Says Raggy

That certainly worked out well for all those folks of different religions and political affiliations in Gaza - the latter coexisted magnificently in safety and security up until the point Hamas launched them off the roofs of high-rise buildings - Just saying like

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:33 AM

Raggytash - 09 Aug 16 - 10:25 AM

(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

"Just saying like." - says Raggy

Worked out well for all those folks in Gaza didn't it Raggy? - Just saying like......

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Stu
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:31 AM

I wish you lot would get a room.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:27 AM

Bit surprised you have the nerve to show your face again here after your having been exposed as a hypocrite and an apologist for Antisemitism
You want to prove there's a problem with Antisemitism in the Labour party, tell us what it is, who's involved and how many.
The idea of putting a Party with no history of antisemitism or bigotry on trial and refusing to specify what those charges are and who you are accusing is bloody obscene.
Even Stalin wenbt to the trouble of trumping up charges and providing some sort of evidence
You are a pair of extremist half-wits - and you are an apologist for antisemitism, so your reasons for behaving the way you do is to push your ow nextremist agenda
who are these antisemites - what have they said that makes them antisemitic - how many of them are there?   
Answer that you you may hAve a CASE - THIS IS GETTING BLOODY RIDICULOUS - A TRAIL WITHOUT SPECIFYING THE CHARGES AND REFUSING TO NAME THE ACCUSED - WHAT EXTREMIST WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN?
"Chakrabarti's Report ensures the latter."
No it doesn't until some solid evidence proves there to be a problem with Antisemitism in the Labour Party the verdict of the survey stands
You have produced no evidence, neither has anybody else.
"Charmingly put as ever Jom."
Don't thik you have any grounds for complaint about how to address people =- you are an ill-mannered thug - I took my cue from you.
"Does support for Hamas count as legitimate protest against the Israeli Government?"
Support for the Palestinian People does not count - unfortunately, as things Stand in the Middle East, Hamas is the only opposition the Palestinians have against Israeli terrorism so, no, of course it does not count.
Ironically, Hamas has not acted in any way different from all resistance movements involved in National Liberation - including the Jewish Freedom Fighters who fought for the State of Israel.
Israel is carrying out a war of ethnic cleansing to create a monotheist State - what rules of warfare do you suggest the Palestinians adopt to stop that from happening.
And no - I am not a Hamas supporter, but I see the peresent alternative to them unthinkable as things stand
Had the U.S. not protected Israel with their vetoes, Israel would have stood trial for atrocities long ago.
"Does singing "Rockets over Tel Aviv" count"
(Won't take advantage of the amusing typo - as you would)
No more than using chemical or anti-personnel weapons, or facilitation the massacre of 3,500 unarmed refugees..... or all the other atrocities carried out against a civilian and largely unarmed Third World people "counts" - but shit happens in war.
Show thaty these things never happened and you might have a case - I suppose you could take Keith's line and just deny them
Aren't you one of the people who claimed that the Arabs have no right to Palestine - cae proven, I think - another supporter of the Israeli regime taking a pop at Labour - a pattern well established, I think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 10:25 AM

(a)continues: for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in safety and security where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

Just saying like.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 09:19 AM

Jim Carroll - 09 Aug 16 - 06:13 AM

Usual mixture of bluster and denial I see Jom.

1: "If the Labour Party is to survive, this has to either be proven with evidence and numbers or walked away from."

Chakrabarti's Report ensures the latter. Despite howls of protest from rather a large number of people within the Labour Party and from groups representing the Jewish Community in the UK.

2: "Make your case - give us numbers or examples - show us there is evidence of Antisemitism or stick your accusations up your fascist holes."

Charmingly put as ever Jom.

We know the numbers last reported it was 50 suspensions - because of the recommendations detailed in Chakrabarti's Report nothing more will ever be heard of the names or the details related to why these people have been suspended - That Jom is as effective a "cover-up" as anyone could wish for. And the Labour Party far from dealing with this with complete transparency they've made it as opaque and obscured as they possibly could have {Remembering of course that Baroness Royall's Report would never, ever have been put into the public domain by Labour's NEC had it not first been leaked}

Examples we had 5 complete with names and examples of the remarks that were made.

Does support for Hamas count as legitimate protest against the Israeli Government? That is the Hamas, whose founding Charter states:

(a) Strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. (Article 6)(That explodes any "myth" about seeking any Two-State Solution)
(b) There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer. (Article 13)
(c) Calls for action "by the people as a single body" against "a vicious enemy which acts in a way similar to Nazism, making no differentiation between man and woman, between children and old people. (Article 20) ("no differentiation between man and woman, between children and old people" - Does that sound like the Israeli Government they are talking about?)
(d) Conspiracy charges against Israel and the whole of the Jewish people: "Israel, Judaism and Jews".[Article 28)

Does singing "Rockets over Tel Aviv" count as legitimate protest against the Israeli Government?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 07:54 AM

Jim,
the Israeli regime are insisting that all criticisms of its policy - even by Jews, is Anrtisemi

More tosh from Jim!
They have a free press and media that constantly criticises government policy.
They have an Opposition, whose JOB it is to challenge and criticise government policy.

No Antisemitism, other than criticism of Israel was found

Yes it was, but Chakrabarti chose not to detail it or name the guilty.
We have plenty of examples though, and they have been detailed here.

Steve,
NOT EVIDENCE THAT SHE ACCEPTED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH.

Yes it is. Not proof but evidence certainly.
There can be no proof that a peerage was awarded for donations or whitewashes, so it is nauseatingly disengenuous of you to demand it.
I am sure you believe the former without proof, so why demand it for the latter?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 06:13 AM

"Jom old son I don't really think that you have been following this at all have you?"
Didn't think for a minute you could manage to avoid the three Bs
Get a grip and answer the questions, you arrogant half-wit
An insignificant amount - all relatet to criticism of criticism of Israel - hardly surprising, since the Israeli regime are insisting that all criticisms of its policy - even by Jews, is Anrtisemitic.
No Antisemitism, other than criticism of Israel was found - if it was, what was it and how many were involved - if that's all there was, as the Israelis have made any definition of Antisemitism unusable, so there isn't even a case to answer on that
It is little wonder that the case has been closed on this nonsense.
Labour is in the midst of a leadership attempted coup in which the Blairite New Labour right wing have leapt on this Israel-instigated claim as if it was a 49 bus.
If the Labour Party is to survive, this has to either be proven with evidence and numbers or walked away from.
You bunch of hypocrites have made quite clear that Antisemitism isn't the issue here - one of the most vociferous of your number is a blatant antisemitsm appeaser.
It is about taking a pop at the Labour Party
None of you care a toss for the Jewish People, you don't give two flying ***** abut bigotry or racism, otherwise you would be up in arms aboit Tory racism and bigotry -
THis is all about your hatred of anything that challenges the establishment
Make your case - give us numbers or examples - show us there is evidence of Antisemitism or stick your accusations up your fascist holes.
And please try to come to terms with the fact that you are neither knowlegable or bright enough to talk down to anybody here - if there was a pecking order, you'd be standing in a queue outside the farmyard waiting for your application top be considered
You really are a nasty little squalid - it's little wonder you only have the supporters you do here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 05:26 AM

Well a couple of things (again). First, okay, there has been a distinct lack of spin (refreshing) but a considerable amount of naivity (bloody annoying) over the timing of the enquiry apropos of Chakrabarti's membership and peerage. They really should have seen the flak coming. However, all the dark talk in the world about how these things can't just be coincidences, etc., is NOT EVIDENCE THAT SHE ACCEPTED A PEERAGE IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH. Next, the facts of the matter. We KNOW what remarks by Livingstone, Shah and others led to this furore. We KNOW what Chakrabarti said about those remarks and other ignorant and inappropriate comments. She reached a conclusion that there were matters to be addressed but that Labour is not overrun by antisemitism. Which it bloody isn't. So where's the whitewash? Do you actually know the substance of any other remarks that haven't been made public or are you just inventing stuff in your mind to demonise Labour as much as you can?

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 04:48 AM

"You want to prove there to be Antisemitism in the Labour Party - you need to identify what it is, who is involved and how many - basic justice on which our judicial system rests."

Both Royall and Chakrabarti found evidence of anti-Semitism and a culture of tolerance to anti-Semitism within the Labour Party - both mitigated that by stating that as yet it was not "institutionalised" throughout the Labour Party - but 11 recommendations were put forward by Royall and others by Chakrabarti that required "immediate and sustained action" {Royall's words} to prevent anti-Semitism becoming "institutionalised" throughout the Party. You from the outset have never acknowledged that fact.

I do not need to identify whether or not there is anti-Semitism within the Labour Party two inquiries commissioned by Labour's NEC have found that anti-Semitism does exist inside the Labour Party.

I do not have to identify names and numbers, Royall and Chakrabarti already know them, we do know that 50 members were suspended pending investigation and now because of Chakrabarti's report we will never know the results it now all goes quiet - a classic "cover-up".

What Royall and Chakrabarti carried out were internally commissioned inquiries - not a trial so our system of justice does not come into it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 04:32 AM

To prove something has been covered up requires that you show what has been covered up"

Jom old son I don't really think that you have been following this at all have you?

1: Royall Report 11 recommendations + 7 additional suggested recommendations for the Chakrabarti Inquiry that Royall was shut out of (You cannot obviously influence anyone by offering them a peerage if they already have one can you?)

2: Three of the seven suggested additional recommendations are ignored and Chakrabarti's recommendation basically shuts off any further investigation that would delve into the situation that prevailed prior to her report being submitted. So conveniently for Labour's NEC any calls for any investigation that would expose any wrong doing they can sit back and ignore.

Any suggestion why within the extremely short timespan that Shami Chakrabarti was a member of the Labour Party, "The Leader", decided to do a U-turn on his declared decision not to make any nominations to the Lords and reward the new-comer, who just coincidently was investigating abuse within the Labour Party involving "Momentum" with a peerage - his one and only nomination lobbied for as soon as Cameron announced his resignation.

If that set of circumstances were applied to the Conservative Party you would be screaming "cover-up" and "whitewash" from the rooftops. Unfortunately it is the Labour Party that Corbyn has chosen to destroy that are in the firing line and most complaints are coming from within the Party and that Jom is an undeniable fact.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 03:56 AM

" I am not the only person who thinks this whole thing stinks, not by a long shot."
What the **** does that mean?
Your, or anybody's "thinking" that somebody is guilty of anything means nothing - proving it is what matters.
To prove something has been covered up requires that you show what has been covered up - you refuse to do so with your bizarre statement that it is not necessary to do so.
Yours and you Antisemitic mates' double standards are unbelievable
One party had been condemned by you for something that had been found not to exist while you fully accept and even defend proven racism in appointing a strutting loud-mouthed racist lout Foreign Secretary.
The Labour Party was accused of Antisemitism, immediately held an enquiry and found there to be none of any significance.
The Tory Party is accused by Islamic community leaders of Islamophobia - it does nothing - and you refuse to comet on that fact.
You accuse The Labour Party of using the honours system to cover something you will not specify, yet you refuse to acknowledge the well-known ongoing corruption in the use of the honours system as a method of fundraising and profiteering.
Bit of a tendency apparent here, don't you think?
You want to prove there to be Antisemitism in the Labour Party - you need to identify what it is, who is involved and how many - basic justice on which our judicial system rests.
The only thing that is definite here is that, as |I said from the begnning - the whole affair is traceable back to Israel's proagands machinations to prevent the Goods Boycott campaign from gaining further ground - Keith's and Bobad's 'witnesses' are examples of that.
Now - let's see if you are capable o dealing with that without your usual three B's - bullshit, bullying and bluster - and let's try it without the pomposity this time.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 01:50 AM

Steve Shaw - 08 Aug 16 - 07:08 PM

"Now let's see. You make an accusation ............. The onus is squarely on your shoulders to prove your claim, not on us to disprove what you say. You started it, so let's see you seeing this through."

Remember those words Shaw, they are yours and they are, without any shadow of a doubt, going to come back and bite you and your pals.

As to the honesty, the impartiality and the integrity of the Report in question and the subsequent award of a peerage - far from being a deliberate and well orchestrated anti-Labour or pro-Israeli smear campaign, the first cries of foul came from within the Labour Party itself.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Aug 16 - 01:37 AM

Greg F. - 08 Aug 16 - 09:23 PM

Not so Greg F. - I am not the only person who thinks this whole thing stinks, not by a long shot.

Chakrabarti's report was supposed to be "independent" - it clearly would have been so and beyond question had she remained politically neutral - yet for some reason just over two weeks after having been given the task she feels she has to join the Labour Party.

Corbyn stated that he would never appoint anyone to the House of Lords. He has only ever lobbied for and put forward one nomination - Shami Chakrabarti - a staunch, loyal and valued member of the Labour Party who had given invaluable service for all of 14 weeks - Of course it was entirely coincidental and totally immaterial that she just happened to be investigating the Labour Party for racist behaviour at the time.

Chakrabarti accepted the honour, the timing of which could not have been worse, in doing so she shot the integrity of her report and herself to shreds. She did that Greg F. not me, not Keith A, not Akenaton or bobad, She did that and rather a large number of people, in politics, in various action groups and in the media think that. Maybe that is why there was so much chatter about it.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 09:23 PM

I do not think that it would be beyond the bounds of probability that your jury would conclude that there had been a pay off for a "whitewash".

Only if said jury was made up of individuals with your mental prowess, T-Bird.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 07:45 PM

" In a court of law that would be thrown out among laughter and derision from judge and jury."

As no actual crime has been committed that would be a civil court Shaw, where no such absolutes as "beyond" reasonable doubt apply, cases are judged on probability and taking into account the events and the time line I do not think that it would be beyond the bounds of probability that your jury would conclude that there had been a pay off for a "whitewash".

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 07:08 PM

Now let's see. You make an accusation that this woman has accepted a peerage IN RETURN FOR A WHITEWASH. Then you tell us not to be silly because the accusation is unprovable. So why are you making an unprovable accusation? In a court of law that would be thrown out among laughter and derision from judge and jury. The point here is that the accusation did not exist until anti-Labour and (more particularly) pro-Israeli factions made it. The onus is squarely on your shoulders to prove your claim, not on us to disprove what you say. You started it, so let's see you seeing this through. Timelines, coincidences, putting two and two together to make five and character assassinations, not to speak of insinuations about the innate corruptness of the left, are not evidence. The fact that you won't back down on this scurrilous and unsupportable smear against someone whose politics don't suit you speaks volumes about your dishonesty and lack of integrity, qualities that she has in spades but which have evaded you completely.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 05:54 PM

In The Navy

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 03:41 PM

Nope, I recall, even if you don't, that you told me I couldn't read a compass or navigate, that you had done all these things, sailed tall ships, been in the navy and that you KNEW Cork was on the East coast of Ireland.

You went very quite when I first attached the map I have included today, Can't quite think why.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 03:34 PM

Can't wait to see what Bobad has to say about all this, but maybe he believes Antisemitic songs are a bit of fun if they're written by Tories!!
JimCarroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 02:39 PM

Looking for a "prominent person" so you can claim you were only saying it was a bit of harmless fun because somebody told you to Keith?
Now - anout all these Antisemites in the Labour Party - who are they and what are they saying?
Your mate seems to have fecked off again
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 02:02 PM

"No. That has never been given as the reason for any peerage."
Of couse it hasn't - you don't think these pricks tell us what they get up to
You have the link
"No need to, unless you think that "the entire NEC" were lying! "
No they weren't - yo are by deliberately distorting what they actually said
Where has anybody proved a "serious" problem
All your own work Keith
No justify your claim bey describing it - or at least, lining to a description of it
No?
Thought not.
"Not true.
Produce a quote why don't you?!"
Have just done just that - you are a liar and have been proven to be one - again.
"Demanded by who? Just you Jim?"
Youve been given it half a dozen times - here's another
DEMAND FOR ENQUIRY INTO ISLAMOPHOBIA
Maybe it doesn't count if it's made by "implanted" perverts
"Utter bollocks."
Of course it's utter bollocks tomake such an ourageously racist claimn - whyu do it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 01:39 PM

Jim,
Peerages have long been recognised as a way of rewarding donations
No. That has never been given as the reason for any peerage.
It is just quietly understood that is the reason, as with whitewashing.

"Serious enough to "appal" the "entire NEC" just with "recent incidents!"
You've said this already and still haven't provided any examples of it.

No need to, unless you think that "the entire NEC" were lying!

Yur dismissed them as a bunch of harmless cranks and, when presented with some of the Antisemitic filthy that was being published in their 'Journal' you dismissed it an unimportant and claimed it was as "harmless" as the theme song from Dad;s Army

Not true.
Produce a quote why don't you?!

a demanded enquiry into Islamophobia

Demanded by who? Just you Jim?

And you have stated quiute clearly that myou8 believe all male Pakistanis in Britain to have been culturally inplanted implanted with    a tendency to rape underage girls

I never have or would state such nonsense

this is sill your view"We are all implanted to some extent by our culture "

It is my view, and an obvious truth.

The implication of this is that the Muslim culture produces perverts

Utter bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Aug 16 - 01:28 PM

A reminder of what you were describing as "silly "– the song was written at the time the Jews were beginning to learn the lessons of Nazism.
You arean Antisemitc shitbag Keith
Jim Carroll

BS: Ireland-What happened? thread
Hymn 1939
Land of dope and Jewry,
Land that once was free,
All the Jew boys praise thee
While they plunder thee.

Poorer still and poorer
Grow the trueborn sons,
Faster still and faster
They're sent to feed the guns.

Land of Jewish finance,
Fooled by Jewish lies,
In press and books and movies
While our birthright dies.

Longer still and longer
Is the rope they get
But, by the God of battles
T'will serve to hang them yet.

Your response.

Subject: RE: BS: Ireland-What happened?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 12:57 PM
Silly songs don't count, or I could post "Who Do You Think You Are Kidding Mr Hitler" as proof to the contrary!