BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: GUEST,Ignoramus
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 04:57 PM

Thanks Peace. I shall sleep well tonight knowing guys like him are on the job.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:33 PM

Ebbie, you are wondering "what if they are right and I am wrong?"

Heh! Well, I wouldn't worry about that too much, because any God that is a just God will not punish anyone for being honestly mistaken about something. That's my opinion.

Mind you, I don't think God judges or punishes anyone anyway. I think God loves everyone and judges no one. I think it's only people who judge and punish others and themselves.

"though the rules of the road have been lodged, it's only people's games that you've got to dodge" - Bob Dylan

I always enjoy quoting from the Gospel of Bob. ;-)

It often occurs to me that I may be wrong, but if so, I am wrong without wrongful intention, and that's about all one can expect of people, in my opinion. Everybody makes mistakes from time to time.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:39 PM

"But what if the group or community are wrong? (Or right?)"

It isn't a question of right or wrong, it is a question of motive.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:40 PM

You say so, mano.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:47 PM

I wasn't really questiong whether I am wrong or right in relation to religious or spiritual matters, Little Hawk. More that I want to be sure I am working politically for the right causes. If someday I should suddenly realize that in lending my efforts to what I believe now I had helped bring about unpleasant or harmful or just plain wrong conditions it would be hard to live with.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:48 PM

What's a picnic?

"Picnic of the World" ... by Tom Chapin

All the nations sitting on a blanket
Having a picnic, the Picnic of the World.

There's Holland and there's Poland
And there's Ireland and there's Thailand.
There's England and there's Scotland and America, that's my land.
There's Canada and Panama. There's Sweden and Aruba.
Korea, Tanzania, not to mention Greece and Cuba.
Mali, Bali, Mexico and Martinique.
Hungary, Turkey, India and Mozambique.
Haiti, Fiji, Israel and Senegal.
Kenya, Ghana, Jordan and Nepal.

All sitting on the same big blanket
With the same big basket
Full of sandwiches and devilled eggs.
We're all drinking from the same big thermos
At the same big picnic;
It's the picnic of the world.

There's Pakistan, Afghanistan, Malaya and Nigeria.
There's Luxembourg and Liechtenstein. Let's not forget Liberia.
There's Paraguay and Uraguay. There's Russia and there's Syria.
Sudan, Japan, Iraq, Iran and what about Algeria?
Finland, Greenland, Switzerland and Viet Nam.
Denmark, Norway, Swaziland and Surinam.
Chile, China, Guatamala, Trinidad.
Tonga, Togo, Portugal and Chad.

All sitting on the same big blanket
With the same warm soda
As the ants crawl on our sandwiches.
We're all swatting at the same mosquitoes,
Eating burned up burgers
At the picnic of the world.

There's Gambia and Zambia and Laos and Guyana.
There's Libya, Namibia, Andorra and Botswana.
Then there's Singapore and Ecuador, El Salvador and Lebanon.
Albania, Romania. There's Burma and Bhutan.

All sitting on the same big blanket
With the same big basket
Full of problems and annoyances.
But all knowing at the deep down heart of it
We're all a part of it,
The Picnic of the, Picnic of the,
Picnic of the World.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:50 PM

I would agree, Ron. The vital thing is motive.

But....destructive motives are generally simply due to an inadequate understanding of life. Example: an oil company executive whose primary motive is to increase the profits of his company and to rise up the corporate ladder may help back a policy which inevitably destroys the lives of many people in some small country. In so doing, he has concentrated on the small picture (his company and his career), but he has failed to grasp the big picture. He has an inadequate understanding of life. He will be seen as "evil" by those his policies hurt. Maybe he is not evil, maybe he's just too narrow in his awareness.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 05:59 PM

"an oil company executive whose primary motive is to increase the profits of his company "

... because the shareholders want profit, he answers to the share holders ... who all want the best value for their investment.

Don't think the oil company executive is so shallow he doesn't understand the 'big picture' ... you would be surprised, he probably has more of a grasp of the 'big picture' than you do. He just has different values.


BTW ... many of those shareholders are people who have money invested in their retirement funds ... and many of these people are demanding on getting results so they can retire comfortably. These are the people who probably don't get the 'big picture'

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 06:07 PM

BTW ... many of these retirement funds are via unions such as teacher's unions, government employee unions, nurses unions etc ... are these people aware of the results of where the profits from their union funded retirement funds are coming from?

It's all a big picnic.

and we are all participating in the Big Picnic.

lovely, interesting word isn't it?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 06:52 PM

Little Hawk
don't ask spaw to offer up the essence of himself

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:53 PM

"destructive motives are generally simply due to an inadequate understanding of life"

You hit the nail right on the head!!! Perfect!!

While is is easy for you or I to see a motive as "destructive", I think it would be wrong to assume that the oil company executive purposely ignored the data.   I spent a few years working at NBC, which as you may know is a GE company. I went to corporate headquarters and the people I met truly felt that they were doing good things for the environment - such as being against dredging the Hudson River to clean up PCP's their company dumped decades before. The truth is, their data has some validity and if you listen long enough, you believe it.

It is not just a matter of being brainwashed - it is simply that the information they worked from, and their experience in the world, made them feel confident that they were in the right.   

The same thing with people who believe that George W. & friends plotted the events of 9/11.   The framework and environment that surrounds them makes it difficult to accept data they do not want to believe.

I'm just a guilty, and not afraid to admit it. My life experiences have pointed me in the direction I lead my life. I make my opinions known, just like everyone else.

It doesn't make me right, nor does it make you correct.   Life goes on.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 07:58 PM

Gospel of Bob: [Their] profession is their religion, their sin is their lifelessness.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 08:17 PM

Right on, Ron! ;-) I agree with you 100%.

Perfect Dylan quote, Bruce.

Yes, 6, you are right. Most of the shareholders don't get the big picture either...or they push it out of their thoughts.

Example: My father was constantly railing against all those who build war materials. He considered it a total waste of human effort and resources. He based this opinion on his own experiences in the insanity of war...in WWII.

However, he once appeared to have an opportunity to strike a very lucrative deal helping design and set up some high tech equipment for the US military (whose activities he was normally totally against). This deal could have made him millions, theoretically. He leaped at the opportunity and pursued it without a moment's hesitation.

I watched all this sadly from the side, seeing how little his usual rhetoric counted for when a profitable business opportunity presented itself. If questioned, he would probably have said, "Look, if I don't do it somebody else will." Most people are pretty much like that.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 08:56 PM

Are these confessions legally admissable?

Will he be charged?

Regardless of how these admissions were obtained and whether or not he will be brought to trial, it appears he has already been found guilty by the American public. Do you think this guy will ever have a chance at a 'fair' trial?

It seems to me that the only point of this whole media circus is to convince the U.S. public that George Bush was right all along.

Like bb says, in his own simplistic way, " So, you all now admit that Bush is doing a far better job stopping terrorist attacks than Clinton did? Planned attacks that were not carried out- sounds like Bush is doing the right thing."

btw, bb - How do you know, "The information from him was corrolated with the files on computers captured at the same time, other sources, other prisoners, etc."

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:07 PM

Thanks for bringing us back to the topic of this thread dianavan.

Got a bit carried away with picnics, shareholders and their association with profiting on oil production and manufacurers of war machines.

"Are these confessions legally admissable?"

"Will he be charged?"

I really dunno, can anyone here answer this with certain knowledge. I'd certainly like to know.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 10:23 PM

I am not aware that any charges have been laid against him other than the general "he's a terrorist". He's been held without being charged of anything specific (I thnk), so I'd guess that charges will stem from his 'confession'. However, even the 'experts' are having a helluva time determining what's bullshit and what isn't. That's from reading what's around the web in news and stuff like that.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:23 PM

"Thanks for bringing us back to the topic of this thread dianavan."

It was never off topic. The topic notes that it is "BS". You can't go off topic when it begins with that.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: Dickey
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:43 PM

Dianavan and others are right. "I guess if I had been held captive without charge and tortured by the U.S., I'd confess to EVERYTHING too"

The key word is IF


Lesson Eighteen in the al-Qaeda training manual:

PRISONS AND DETENTION CENTERS

IF AN INDICTMENT IS ISSUED AND THE TRIAL, BEGINS, THE BROTHER HAS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING:

1 . At the beginning of the trial, once more the brothers must insist on proving that torture was inflicted on them by State Security [investigators ]before the judge.

2. Complain of mistreatment while in prison.

3. Make arrangements for the brother's defense with the attorney, whether he was retained by the brother's family or court-appointed.

4. The brother has to do his best to know the names of the state security officers, who participated in his torture and mention their names to the judge.[These names may be obtained from brothers who had to deal with those officers in previous cases.]

5. Some brothers may tell and may be lured by the state security investigators to testify against the brothers [i.e. affirmation witness ], either by not keeping them together in the same prison during the trials, or by letting them talk to the media. In this case, they have to be treated gently, and should be offered good advice, good treatment, and pray that God may guide them.

6. During the trial, the court has to be notified of any mistreatment of the brothers inside the prison.

7. It is possible to resort to a hunger strike, but i t is a tactic that can either succeed or fail.

8. Take advantage of visits to communicate with brothers outside prison and exchange information that may be helpful to them in their work outside prison [according to what occurred during the investigations]. The importance of mastering the art of hiding messages is self evident here.

-When the brothers are transported from and to the prison [on their way to the court] they should shout Islamic slogans out loud from inside the prison cars to impress upon the people and their family the need to support Islam.

-Inside the prison, the brother should not accept any work that may belittle or demean him or his brothers, such as the cleaning of the prison bathrooms or hallways.

-The brothers should create an Islamic program for themselves inside the prison, as well as recreational and educational ones, etc.

-The brother in prison should be a role model in selflessness. Brothers should also pay attention to each others needs and should help each other and unite vis a vis the prison officers.

-The brothers must take advantage of their presence in prison for obeying and worshipping [God] and memorizing the Qora 'an, etc. This is in addition to all guidelines and procedures that were contained in the lesson on interrogation and investigation. Lastly, each of us has to understand that we don 't achieve victory against our enemies through these actions and security procedures. Rather, victory is achieved by obeying Almighty and Glorious God and because of their many sins. Every brother has to be careful so as not to commit sins and everyone of us has to do his best in obeying Almighty God, Who said in his Holy Book: "We will, without doubt. help Our messengers and those who believe (both)in this world 's life and the one Day when the Witnesses will stand forth." May God guide us.

[Dedication)

To this pure Muslim youth, the believer, the mujahid (fighter) for God's sake. I present this modest effort as a contribution from me to pave the way that will lead to Almighty God and to establish a caliphate along the lines of the prophet.

The prophet, peace be upon him, said according to what was related by Imam Ahmed: "Let the prophecy that God wants be in you, yet God may remove it if He so wills, and then there will be a Caliphate according to the prophet's path [instruction], if God so wills it. He will also remove that [the Caliphate] if He so wills, and you will have a disobedient king if God so wills it. Once again, if God so wills, He will remove him [the disobedient king], and you will have an oppressive lung. [Finally], if God so wills, He will remove him [the oppressive king], and you will have a Caliphate according to the prophet 's path [instruction]. He then became silent."

THE IMPORTANCE OF TEAM WORK:

    1 .Team work is the only translation of God's command, as well as that of the prophet, to unite and not to disunite. Almighty God says, "And hold fast, all together, by the Rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves." In "Sahih Muslim," it was reported by Abu Horairah, may Allah look kindly upon him, that the prophet, may Allah's peace and greetings be upon him, said: "Allah approves three [things] for you and disapproves three [things]: He approves that you worship him, that you do not disbelieve in Him, and that you hold fast, all together, by the Rope which Allah, and be not divided among yourselves. He disapproves of three: gossip, asking too much [for help], and squandering money."

    2. Abandoning "team work "for individual and haphazard work means disobeying that orders of God and the prophet and falling victim to disunity.

    3. Team work is-conducive to cooperation in righteousness and piety.

    4. Upholding religion, which God has ordered us by His saying, "Uphold religion," will necessarily require an all out confrontation against all our enemies, who want to recreate darkness. In addition, it is imperative to stand against darkness in all arenas: the media, education, [religious] guidance, and counseling, as well as others. This will make it necessary for us to move on numerous fields so as to enable the Islamic movement to confront ignorance and achieve victory against it in the battle to uphold religion. All these vital goals can not be adequately achieved without organized team work. Therefore, team work becomes a necessity, in accordance with the fundamental rule, "Duty cannot be accomplished without it, and it is a requirement." This way, team work is achieved through mustering and organizing the ranks, while putting the Amir (the Prince) before them, and the right man in the right place, making plans for action, organizing work, and obtaining facets of power.

http://www.disastercenter.com/terror/index.htm

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: number 6
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 11:56 PM

Interesting website Dickey .... everything from the al-Qaeda training manual to how to train your Newfoundland dog.

Sheeeeesh!!

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Wordsmith
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 01:01 AM

Apparently this confession came at a tribunal on March 10th and is on transcript. It was coerced after two-and-a-half minutes of waterboarding, which is a record, according to ABC news correspondent, Brian Ross, who is something of an expert in this area, having reported on many stories like 9/11 and the earlier bombing of the WTC. He also was the one who broke the story about the Sears Tower back when...and the FBI was mad about it and denied the threat even existed back then. Now, it appears, he has been vindicated.
I tried to find the article I read the other day online, but couldn't. It said Khalid was a person of something...which made him the only one being held in Gitmo who was...I know, I really shouldn't even mention it, but I was hoping someone might have seen that, too.
I, too, believe that little accurate information is obtained via torture...yet I find it interesting that the US goverment went after the military for Abu Greib (sp?) yet are clearly using similar techniques on these guys...of course, I'm not naive. I just have problems with hypocrisy and finding fall guys...which this guy seems to be. Not that I don't think he's guilty of some of these crimes. Like others, I just find it too convenient.
So, I guess we don't have to find Osama? And Zarqawi?
BTW, I hear Khalid also confessed to the kidnapping and killing of Madalyn Murray O'Hair. Bobert used my other punchline. Great minds?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 06:47 AM

Just to repeat my earlier post, he was proudly confessing to these crimes BEFORE he was captured.
Remember his interview with an Al Jazeera journalist?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: GUEST,Sherlock
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 12:45 PM

So this man is to be believed before he was captured?

Ossama bin Laden, in his first statement after 9/11, said such an act would be irreligeous. Taking the lives of civilians, women and children during war is not righteous, and he would never do that. Period. He denied any responsibility.

Fox News, on the other hand was screaming 30 minutes after the WTC towers fell that the U.S. intelligence network was ineffective and Ossama bin Laden was responsible for the attacks and he was in Afghanistan. If the intelligence was so faulty, how did Fox News know such details? Answer, it was scripted. Some news readers (at the BBC and CNN) even got ahead of the script and announced the collapse of WTC 7 long before it actually fell.

9/11 was a staged event, and now we are occasionally fed blurbs confessing guilt because the media elite are convinced we can't think beyond blurbs. A week from now, most Americans will remember something about Khalid confessing, and that's it. And the memory of "that sheik guy" will just reinforce prior lies about govt non-involvement in 9/11. That's what the obviously-bogus Khalid "confession" is about.

The pentagon/White House carried out the 9/11 attacks with the help of a handful of other gangster organizations.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 01:58 PM

Sherlock, I think you missed your meds.

You have ZERO proof of any of your statements, yet you speak out of your ass as if it were gospel. You prove my earlier point. You could damn well be right, but can't fathom being wrong. Your convicitions have enabled you to disregard wisdom and logic and make your assumptions the truth. In your world, it is very true.

If you ever set foot in a newsroom, you would realize how impossible the "scripted" scenario is. Naturally you have no experience or knowledge of such organizations, so in your mind you can make such a scenario work for you.

I am guessing you never set foot in the WTC and have never been in lower Manhattan, so you would not realize how difficult "gangster" organizations would have to pull off such a scheme. So, in your mind, it works.

I've never set foot in the White House, so I have no idea how a President and a government could pull something off. I'm open to suggestions that would satisfy logic of my experience.

I could not definitivly say you are crazy, but I have your statements to judge whether or not your postings make any sense. At this point, they do not.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 02:22 PM

Aricle about interview

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 07:44 PM

Ron, I think he means gangster organizations allied with people at the governmental level.

For example, the US government has worked in the past with the Mafia from time to time on such projects as assassinating Fidel Castro (unsuccessful). And that's just one example. When it is considered expedient, governments work unofficially with non-governmental gangster organizations of many types when they are engaging in covert operations at home or abroad. Deals are made, and payoffs are made. It's a fine example of one big hand washing the other. ;-)

As someone else said, the key word is "IF"....

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Peace
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 11:52 PM

They worked closely with the Sicilian Mafia during WWII also.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: Dickey
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 11:57 PM

If a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn't bust his ass every time he hops.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 12:00 AM

Tell that to this guy.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 09:06 AM

Sometimes the end justifies the means.   It is easy to look back in retrospect and assign our modern sense of morality, but not being intimately involved in the situation we have no way of knowing what trasnpired and why.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 09:42 AM

Jeesh, Peace, where do you come up with all these graphics? You had that unlikely illustration up in three minutes ... !

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 11:26 AM

Well, I guess this confession justifies this war.

I mean, what is the point of this?? We read a confession of a man we have never presumed to be innocent from the git-go and shuttle him off for years to a prison known to abuse detainees for an administration that not only demands the right to torture but has tacitly ordered it as we learned from Uncle Donnie.

A confession from captors known to torture for an administration that considers torture legitimate is worthless. This is a friggin charade. Who in their right minds would give this any credence? And what good is this confession in the face of the fact that we are losing the war and spending ourselves bankrupt for the privilege? What about the lies? The corruption? The shoddy medical care for the wounded? The ballooning deficit? What does this confession do for us that we should care who, if anyone, ever confesses?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:04 PM

I used to say that Osama and his mates were nutcases. I apologise unreservedly to those good and great men. I was wrong, they are completely sane. The nutcases are some of those who contribute on Mudcat threads.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:07 PM

I expect the Bush administration wouldn't be having the difficulty it is today had they not supported Hussein when he was gassing Kurds. Also, the Bush family's dealings with the bin Laden family must certainly stir the shit a bit, no?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 04:47 PM

It's normal for the Empire to deal with murderers as long as they go out and murder other people for the Empire. It's when they go into business for themselves contrary to the Empire's agenda that the scenario suddenly changes. That's what Saddam did, and it's what Osama at least appears to have done...as far as we know. We only know what we are told, however...

Check out the Donald Trump interview on the new thread.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: GUEST,Sherlock
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 08:53 PM

Gee, Oleosko, the only meds I take are aspirin, and usually only after reading something by you, Froth or Blebbie. The True Relievers of the govt's 9/11 conspiracy theory. You ought to get out on the internet more. Take a tour, on me:

http://www.911truth.org/

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html

http://911proof.com/11.html

http://physics911.net/

http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/

http://www.911weknow.com/

Governmnents have ALWAYS used terrorism as a tool. Look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident...or no, that's a bad example. That incident never took place. McNamara made it up. But look up the bombing of the King David Hotel, 1946. Pearl Harbor, the Maine, the Reichstag fire. Terrorism herds the masses. Or it did until the internet came along.

I suspect THAT'S why you have a burr in your panties. You asses in the "media" are becoming unnecessary. There's an evolutionary term...can't think of it. Like when that sixth toe appears on a baby and is nipped off. No longer needed. And that's what's happening to the media. From the Fourth Estate to the Sixth Toe. You blathering heads aren't needed anymore, and I'm sure that's distressing. But don't take it out on me.

The govt tells me that 19 wanted men made it past all that airport security and seized 4 planes with boxcutters. Despite the fact they were flight-school drop outs, they flew the planes into 3 out of 4 of their targets with pinpoint accuracy. One pilot executed a 6-g turn even though his flight instructor said he couldn't handle the stick of a Cessna. Another pilot defied the physical law of gust to trim and hit the pentagon. One hijacker's passport survived the black-box-melting fireball and fluttered down on top of the debris in NYC, to be discovered afterwards. Oh, and the hijackers magically got NORAD to stand down and leave the most highly-secured airspace on the eastern seaboard unguarded for an hour and a half. Oh, and 7 of the 19 hijackers are still alive in the middle-east.

I'd believe the govt's version of events in a heartbeat if it made sense, but it doesn't. AND they stalled the investigations, AND they have hidden too much material relevant to the investigation. They've blocked lawsuits by the surviving family members and threatened people who defy "national security" gag orders and talk about the things they saw on 9/11. They've used 9/11 to launch 2 unjustified wars, destroy the U.S. constitution and cancel habeas corpus.

Given all the above, one must inevitably conclude that 9/11 was a pretext. Until I'm shown otherwise, that's what I have to go with.

Oh, and when I say gangsters, I mean gangsters. Rudy Giuliani's father was a Mafia enforcer who served time in Sing Sing. Look it up. Unfortunately, the mafia and every other psychotic control group you can think of have now joined forces to make a buck on the death of America. They're working behind the cover of "legit" enterprises, so they're more properly "banksters," I guess, but they're up to no good, and they control both the major political parties, and they're going to destroy America. But that's a whole other topic. Giuliani, Sing Sing, look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 09:11 PM

You're not going to find it if you spell it that way.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confess
From: Dickey
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 10:36 PM

9/11 Commision report page 147

KSM first came to the attention of U.S. law enforcement as a result of his cameo role in the first World Trade Center bombing. According to KSM, he learned of RamziYousef 's intention to launch an attack inside the United States in 1991 or 1992,whenYousef was receiving explosives training in Afghanistan.
During the fall of 1992, whileYousef was building the bomb he would use in that attack, KSM and Yousef had numerous telephone conversations during which Yousef discussed his progress and sought additional funding. On November 3, 1992, KSM wired $660 from Qatar to the bank account of Yousef 's co-conspirator, Mohammed Salameh. KSM does not appear to have contributed any more substantially to this operation. Yousef 's instant notoriety as the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing inspired KSM to become involved in planning attacks against the United States. By his own account, KSM's animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experiences there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.
In 1994, KSM accompanied Yousef to the Philippines, and the two of them began planning what is now known as the Manila air or "Bojinka" plot—the intended bombing of 12 U.S. commercial jumbo jets over the Pacific during a two-day span.
This marked the first time KSM took part in the actual planning of a terrorist operation.While sharing an apartment in Manila during the summer of 1994, he and Yousef acquired chemicals and other materials necessary to construct bombs and timers.They also cased target flights to Hong Kong and Seoul that would have onward legs to the United States. During this same period, KSM and Yousef also developed plans to assassinate President Clinton during his November 1994 trip to Manila, and to bomb U.S.-bound cargo carriers by smuggling jackets containing nitrocellulose on board. KSM left the Philippines in September 1994 and met up with Yousef in Karachi following their casing flights. There they enlisted Wali Khan Amin Shah, also known as Usama Asmurai, in the Manila air plot. During the fall of
1994,Yousef returned to Manila and successfully tested the digital watch timer he had invented, bombing a movie theater and a Philippine Airlines flight en route to Tokyo.The plot unraveled after the Philippine authorities discovered Yousef 's bomb-making operation in Manila; but by that time, KSM was safely back at his government job in Qatar.Yousef attempted to follow through on the cargo carriers plan, but he was arrested in Islamabad by Pakistani authorities on February 7, 1995, after an accomplice turned him in.....

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Wordsmith
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:45 AM

Speaking of gangsters, Time Magazine had an excellent article a while back on a gangster that was terrorizing India and disappeared just before he was going to be kicked out. Guess who invited him to "come and sit a spell"? Pakistan...specifically, Musharraf.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 08:34 AM

Sherlock, I have visited all of the sites you mentioned. You are too blind to realize that you are following an agenda without ANY basis in proof. Your mind was made up before you clicked on any of those sites.

Instead of showing off that you know how to surf the net, why don't you tell us about all the sites you visited that contradict your findings and why those findings could not possibly be correct. Why is that when someone "debunks" one of your theories, you wrap yourself behind a cowardly stance that we are "true believers" or "pawns". Your pathetic lack of skills only allow you to attack the individuals because you lack the ability to reason and use logic. You are nothing more than a useless tool that has been brainwashed into believing in half-baked ideas that have been proven wrong over and over again.

I'm sure you are going to come up with some smart aleck remark about me now, but the facts remain - you have no reasonable proof that any of these theories are true, and your theories can be easily disproven. IF you can give a lucid explanation instead of cutting and pasting from anonymous websites, perhaps you could be more convincing.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 08:59 AM

Wasting your time Ron, you can never persuade a nutter that he's a nutter because, of course, in HIS world he's the only one that's sane.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:14 AM

Everybody visits the sites that support their chosen view and doesn't spend much, if any, time on those sites that oppose it... ;-)

That's just normal human behaviour. After all, one only has so much time in a day, and people tend to read what they agree with.

However, there are some (a perfectionist and fanatical few) who delight in cherry-picking through the info on sites (and posts) that they don't like, just so they can leap like a hungry tiger on some questionable detail, some "mistake" or "fallacy" that they find there, and then tell all their friends about it gleefully...

Teribus is one such person. You might be another, Ron, but I can't say that for sure, because it might be a gross libel in your case. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 09:53 AM

Little Hawk, think of me what you will, but I do make every effort to read both sides of the story in this case. I never take anything the government says as "gospel", nor do I believe in everything I read on a website.    A lot of it is common sense and logic and using skills and experience gathered in life to come to a conclusion.

You are right though, Sherlock and other theorists seem to leap like a hungry tiger on some questionable detail and cherry pick on info from sites that support their chosen view. I highly doubt that Sherlock has read the official report as carefully as he or she has read some of these websites.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: GUEST,Sherlock
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 12:20 PM

Bullshit. That's why people are tuning out the traditional media. Radio and TV are dead. And the 9/11 lie is what did it.

See, the old guard thinks they can toss out some BS like the Khalid "confession" and it'll make a difference. It'll have impact. That is ancient, Radio/Television thinking. The people who have been responsible for 100+ years of modern terrorism are locked into old ways of thinking, and they won't be able to adapt to the new ways of communication. You're a tube-head, Olesko, and the world's gone digital. The sad thing is, the people in control still think we're listening to their Rathers and Chungs and Mike Wallace's, but we're not. Witness the universal rejection of the Khalid confession. No one believes it, yet it was thrown out to us, business as usual, to dupe us into supporting criminal acts of govt.

As far as me believing "conspiracies," which ones are you referring to? I can PROVE to you that your govt 9/11 story is a conspiracy (hijackers still alive, etc.), and I can quote physicists to back up what I see as the truth. I see these things as the truth because none of the other explanations make sense. Took 1 week to launch the investigations into Pearl Harbor, the JFK assassination, the Challenger explosion, yet Bush stalled 411 days before APPOINTING an "unbiased" committee. This while he pushed on the 9/11 nerve daily and said we were in imminent danger of another attack. And then when he DID appoint a committee, he said the mass-murderer Kissinger would head it. The public revolted.

No one believes the govt's version of 9/11 any more, and you old media people need to quit hawking the lie and just accept the fact that you're passe. Selling out your country won't help you retain your eroding standing.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:18 PM

" I can quote physicists to back up what I see as the truth"

You haven't done so yet.   You've quoted physicists that will back up theories of how you think it was done, but when it gets disproven you ignore the evidence. You only submit data when it backs up the facts that you see fit. You are no different than what you are accusing others of being. You are the one selling out your country. You won't look for the truth, you will only look for self-satisfaction. Your lies aren't working Sherlock.

Give us evidence and theories that make sense of what really happened. You can't twist the facts forever.

A tube head? You can't do better than that? You are a coward.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:27 PM

Hey, we already are aware he is a coward. The member who posts as multi-headed Guests dares to do so only under other 'untraceable' names. We already know that he is flaky; if we all knew him as a gullible multi-conspiracist, he knows we would see him as the fearful person he really is. And he couldn't stand that.

I feel sorry for him, actually.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 01:36 PM

All these debate threads are like a really hot game of squash. You always know the damn ball is going to come zinging back like a bat out of hell, and you have to remember to duck at opportune moments so you don't get hit in the eye. Pow! Zap! Bam!

Just when you think it's finally over, someone launches another thread and Awwwwayyyyyy we go again!

What if one week we all decided to go to a health spa and no one posted?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:00 PM

More confessions including the Cole and the embassy attacks.

It is interesting to me, if these statements are true, that a small handfull of violent men has put the entire United States into a tailspin, convinced that there is a global battle going on. It's a real bogey-man syndrome -- they appear to be everywhere and the whole world is made dangerous by one or two really nasty individuals propogating terror. Not to discount their followers, but most followers are malleable.

A

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:08 PM

"...a small handfull of violent men has put the entire United States into a tailspin."

You got that right.

Not only did the U.S. attack nations on the basis of a few criminal acts, they have completely ignored Sudan (where bin Laden sought refuge) and the countries where these terrorists were born and raised.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 08:56 AM

Any oil in the Sudan?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Solved-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Confessed
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:10 AM

YEs, there is. I think the Chinese have the contracts, though.

A