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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Aug 13 - 06:38 AM Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity - PM Date: 20 Aug 13 - 12:58 AM Oh, and 400! GfS Hooray! You got something right! Try to build on that. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 20 Aug 13 - 01:07 PM Don(Wyziwyg)T: "Hooray! You got something right!" You should try it sometime. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 21 Aug 13 - 09:12 AM ""and putting the Native Americans onto 'reservations', which is a form of 'human warehousing' which has been used throughout history, including the Germans with the Jews, and the Israelis and the Palestinians."" So I must have got something right then. I was just thrown by the total surprise engendered by your apparently admitting that Israel can do anything wrong. Did you take a wrong turn somewhere? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 21 Aug 13 - 10:14 AM The biggest problem that some of you guys have Don, yourself included, in regards to me and my posts, is that you project the 'center', as being the 'far right'...and therefore combat common sense, fairness, and objective thinking, considering all facts, as 'hostile' toward the 'left', and therefore come off with your 'rebuttals' from the non-thinking position, issued to both sides, for their 'argue-points'. You've done the same on 'that other issue' as well. By aligning yourselves with your 'buddies' and trying to 'elaborate' their VERY polarized, and oft recklessly uneducated positions, sometimes you tend to thoroughly embarrass yourself, while trying to draw their 'approval'.....from their 'position' which is usually charged with nonsensical over-reactions, and hostility. Scroll back on this thread, and you will see that what I've posted is neither polarized, nor partisan, but a rather fair assessment, taking broader things into account. Try it. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 21 Aug 13 - 02:07 PM ""By aligning yourselves with your 'buddies' and trying to 'elaborate' their VERY polarized, and oft recklessly uneducated positions, sometimes you tend to thoroughly embarrass yourself, while trying to draw their 'approval'...."" I have two points to make here GfS 1. I do not slavishly follow anybody else, nor seek anybody else's approval, especially not yours. I look at the evidence and draw conclusions from it, which is why I am often disrespectful to those who twist or ignore it. 2. Whenever you drop the airy fairy mystical crap, there is just a glimmer of the rational debater, but never quite enough . You could, if you took the trouble, be coherent. You rarely take the trouble and frankly your more excitable rants are virtually incomprehensible. You may have noticed that I tend to post in bursts with quite long gaps. This is because I have other things to do in the real world which keep me almost as busy as when I was in full time employment. So I don't have the time or energy to decipher long, hysterical screeds. Perhaps a step back from the mystic and spiritual? You could always start another thread on that subject? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 21 Aug 13 - 07:44 PM BTW, you are a musician, maybe even a brilliant musician, but let's face it, claims that your music has healing qualities which excite qualified medical practitioners over 4 states? Oh c'mon! Even Walter Mitty would have balked at that. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Aug 13 - 07:30 AM Don, sit down and take it easy....calm down...what I said, is that the cardiologist relayed that to me, and yes, the music IS being used for therapy. Frankly, I was quite fascinated by what he said. When I composed it, that was not even what I was thinking about, nor a 'goal'. So take your biases, that you may think you have about myself, and what you imagine are my 'political views', and toss them. They really get in you way. As I've posted NUMEROUS times, I am NOT a political animal..and why should I be? As far as history shows us, there have been numerous political notions..all replacing each other, all imperfect, all seeming like a 'great idea' at the time, all bringing death and destruction, until another 'brilliant' political notion comes along, and repeats the same ugly cycle again, because they have to 'replace' the former political notion, with yet another equally stupid reason for more death and destruction...while hiding the true motive behind it all, and that is WHO is going to be at the top of the heap. it, in reality is all just vain bullshit, leaving death and destruction in its wake, looking for the next opportunity to strike again. You don't believe me?? Cite an example, in world history, that show us different. ...and when you exhaust yourself from 'researching', jump off that stupid train to nowhere, except another train wreck.... ...and Oh, how we love to take pride on being on the cowcatcher! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 22 Aug 13 - 09:18 AM Priceless! A self styled mystical music composer who believes that we should go back to the good old days when man lived in small tribes without benefit of organisation, living hand to mouth on what he could kill and enjoying a life expectancy of twenty five years, if a neighbouring tribe didn't kill and eat him before that. How many people would hear your music then Maestro? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 22 Aug 13 - 10:35 PM If they all lived in peace, why would it matter? Word would get around.....and then again, why would it matter?? Money would not be as 'important' either, now would it?....as if it is really THAT important now! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Aug 13 - 06:40 AM Glad we are communicating again Don. The Israelis have already held their hands up to this one Keith "for the defence of Israel's borders" is their line - but thanks for your explanation in advance, it was fully anticipated, late in fact! Which news agency Jim? And why, with the horror and carnage all around, do you highlight a tiny incident just because it involves Israel? Decent regimes, including Israel, have stopped using landmines. Their use is not yet a war crime, but not marking a mine field is. The Israeli soldiers were victims of a war crime |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: bobad Date: 24 Aug 13 - 07:46 AM Aug 14 (Reuters) - Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah claimed responsibility on Wednesday for explosions which wounded four Israeli soldiers who infiltrated into southern Lebanon last week. Nasrallah told Beirut-based Al-Mayadeen television that Hezbollah fighters planted bombs in an area they knew in advance Israeli soldiers would pass through, and detonated one of them when a first group of special forces reached the area. A second bomb was triggered when Israeli reinforcements arrived on the scene, Nasrallah said, giving the group's first account of an incident about which Israeli military officials have given few details. "This was a controlled and deliberate operation," Nasrallah said of the explosions. "It was not accidental, and was not (caused by) a landmine left behind by the Israeli occupation." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 13 - 08:18 AM I see your break hasn't done much to lessen your rabid right wing Zionist fervour – where did you go – Belfast to be with the 'Boys'? The troops were inside the Lebanese border – early reports suggest that they stepped on a land mine – since then, there is no further information – probably in an effort not to do any more damaged other than that already done by Israel invading a sovereign territory during peace negotiations . The Israelis admitted that they were on Lebanese soil and that they had to get them out with the help of flares. In an early slip-of-the-tongue Netanyahu made it clear that whatever territory they trespassed on the were going to do what suited them to "defend Israel" "Our soldiers defend us and our borders, which is what they were doing last night. We will continue to react to defend Israel's borders," he was quoted by military radio as saying. "We'll continue to work to ensure the protection of our country." They broke international laws in doing so and have made it clear that they will do it at any time it takes their fancy – but we already knew that from their record of international war crimes. It has never been in question that the Israeli troops were on Lebanese soil, neither has it been disputed that they probably stepped on a landmine. What isn't clear is when those mines were planted, which is immaterial anyway. Despite the appalling record of injuries caused by landmines cause, they are not internationally illegal - Israel, along with United States, Russia, China, Myanmar, United Arab Emirates, Cuba, Egypt, India, Israel and Iran have all refused to sign a treaty banning them - Israel is listed as among the worst offenders – in fact many Middle Eastern countries use them. To describe invading soldiers stepping on a landmine as "a war crime" is crassness in the extreme, even for you, thought to continue to avoid the fact that this probably deliberately timed internationally illegal incursion into a sovereign territory, along with the continued building of illegal settlements during peace talks, is par for the course for you and you rabid buddies. Take another holiday – the last one obviously wasn't long enough. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Aug 13 - 10:16 AM The Israelis admitted that they were on Lebanese soil Source, or did you make that up? It is a war crime not to put warning signs around a mine field Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: bobad Date: 24 Aug 13 - 10:29 AM BEIRUT (AP) — The Lebanese military said a group of Israeli soldiers crossed the border into Lebanon and were wounded in an unspecified explosion early Wednesday — a rare incident along the heavily guarded and volatile frontier. The Israeli side appeared to dispute the location of the incident, saying four soldiers were wounded while carrying out routine activities along the border with Lebanon. Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon said a blast wounded four soldiers, some lightly, others moderately, "in operational activity along the Lebanon border." He said the troops were carrying out routine activities "aimed at providing quiet to the residents of the north in particular and the residents of Israel in general." "During the operational activity, the force came upon an explosive," he said, adding that the military was investigating whether the blast was caused by an old or new explosive. "But this activity was done and will be done again responsibly and in consideration for the security of the people of Israel," Yaalon added. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 13 - 10:39 AM "It is a war crime not to put warning signs around a mine field Jim." And you know there were no signs there? What the fuck was Israeli doing in Lebanon in the first place - and if you are going to defend yet another act of aggression by Israel, give us your evidence. The Lebanese, of all people, have had bitter experience of Israeli war crimes in the shape of 3,500 massacred refugees - it was an invasion by Israeli troops - part of a larger exercise - also admitted by Israel. The news first appeared in the Irish Times on the day I put it up - it's still to be found - you go and look for it, I can't be arsed because I know you will just move on to defending another act of State terrorism or war crime. I don't make things up -that's what you do. You choose not to comment on the peace conference; you choose not to comment on Israel's deliberate attempts to scupper it; you now appear now to be openly making up excuses for international law-breaking even before the preps have come up with anything resembling one for themselves - you are an extremist moron Keith. If you have nothing more than "Israel didn't do it, whatever it was" go and pester someone else and stop wasting my time. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: bobad Date: 24 Aug 13 - 11:05 AM BBC News Middle East 22 August 2013 Last updated at 13:49 ET Explosions have been heard in northern Israel, after rockets were fired across the border from southern Lebanon. Sirens sounded across the area, but no casualties were reported. Footage showed some minor damage at a kibbutz near the coastal town of Nahariya. Four rockets were fired from southern Lebanon, a stronghold of the Shia Islamist movement Hezbollah. An Israeli military spokesman said one of the rockets was intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defence system. Rockets have been fired into Israel intermittently by militant groups since the Israel-Hezbollah conflict in 2006. But an Israeli army spokesman told the BBC he did not believe Hezbollah was behind the attack. Lebanese news agencies reported all four rockets were fired at Israel from the Tyre region in southern Lebanon. Explosions were heard on Thursday afternoon in Nahariyah, on Israel's west coast, and as far east as Kiryat Shemona. Footage showed the remains of a rocket in a street, with damage to a car and nearby windows. Lt. Col. Peter Lerner blamed "global jihad"' elements for the attack, but added Israel had not retaliated. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded swiftly to the attack, saying Israel was "acting on all fronts" to defend its citizens. "Our policy is clear: to protect and to prevent. Whoever tries to harm us should know we will harm them," he said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 13 - 11:40 AM Still nothing on the Conference, Israel's invasion of Lebanon and the timing of this and the announcement of yet more settlements - thought not! So Lebanon has responded by a "no casualty" attack on the invasion of its territory - what dd you expect - a box of After Eight? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: bobad Date: 24 Aug 13 - 11:47 AM "What the fuck was Israeli doing in Lebanon in the first place" "Rockets have been fired into Israel intermittently by militant groups since the Israel-Hezbollah conflict in 2006." What the fuck is Lebanon doing firing rockets into Israel in the first place? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Aug 13 - 01:35 PM You choose not to comment on thousands and thousands of killings of ordinary people and children in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt, but choose to make an issue of one tiny incident. Your hatred of Israelis is not rational Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Aug 13 - 01:42 PM The Lebanese, of all people, have had bitter experience of Israeli war crimes in the shape of 3,500 massacred refugees That massacre of refugees was by Lebanese, as was later massacres when Israelis were not even in Lebanon. And, what is the objection to Jewish immigrants? Foreigners, coming in and taking our country? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 13 - 06:12 PM "And, what is the objection to Jewish immigrants?" Not immigrants, invaders with nuclear capability - remember Esteblished fact - Sabra/Shaitila would/could not have happened without Israeli co-operation - the Lebanese Falangists were merely their hit-man And still nothing on the conference - no surprise there Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 13 - 06:15 PM And stop lying I've said pleent on Egypt and Syria - I said the rebels in Syria should be armed - you, on the other hand, excused the selling of sniper bullets and suggested that Assad should be armed with riot control equipment - please, please tell me I'm lying - more than happy to provide proof again Have a nice night Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 24 Aug 13 - 11:01 PM More 'tit for tat' nonsense. How about a workable peace agreement?. Fair to all??? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Aug 13 - 03:18 AM Not immigrants, invaders with nuclear capability - remember The settlers are ordinary Jews. Just immigrants hoping for a better life for themselves and their children. People you usually speak for Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Aug 13 - 03:27 AM Esteblished fact - Sabra/Shaitila would/could not have happened without Israeli co-operation Heavily armed militia inside a crowded refugee camp do not need anyone's co-operation to commit random massacre. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Aug 13 - 06:49 AM Stop hiding behind contradicting historically proven facts and, at the very least, attempt to defend their conference wrecking behaviour Your crawling-mate, Brainless Bruce,has at least had the guts to put his cards on the table and suggest ethnic cleansing to be the answer to it all by: "letting the Palestinians settle in the other Arab nations" Is that your stance too? Have the balls to say whether you, as the Israelis, believe the conference to be a waste of time and just window dressing by the Israelis . "The settlers are ordinary Jews." The people who have been driven off that land ont toxic sites are just ordinary Arabs. The people who have been burned by white phosphorus are just ordinary Arab men, women and children. The people who are being starved into submission and deprived of essential medicines and the means of feeding themselves and their families are just ordinary Palestinians The people who have been evicted are just ordinary Bedoins The people who have anexed their land and used for illegal building are nuclar-weilding thugs - stop lyingly distorting the facts and address what is happening now in an attempt to put an end to all this misery, suffering and death Have the bottle at least to do this Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Aug 13 - 07:25 AM We have been over all that so many times. Arabs have nothing to fear from Israel. Arabs are being slaughtered on an industrial scale all around Israel, by other Arabs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Aug 13 - 07:33 AM The Israelis admitted that they were on Lebanese soil Source, or did you make that up? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Aug 13 - 11:36 AM You've already been caught out lying on the Irish thread - care to make it best out of three? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 25 Aug 13 - 03:47 PM Not true Jim. I just do not lie. Jim means the Famine thread if anyone wants to check. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:22 AM Palestinian Peace talks have been suspended following the killing of three Palestinians who had entered a refugee camp in search of a suspect. If you could bear with us for a minute, our spokesman on Israeli atrocities will be along to explain why such security raids are essential during delicate peace negotiations - excuse the fact that he won't mention the Peace Conference as he, along with his friends, appear not to believe it is taking place. Jim Carroll Ramallah: The Palestinians have officially suspended the direct peace talks with Israel to protest against killing of three Palestinians Monday, Xinhua reported. The Palestinians were killed during clashes with Israeli soldiers who stormed the Qalandya refugee camp in Ramallah. Hours after the incident, Yasser Abed Rabbo, an official of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), announced that the Palestinian side decided to call off the fourth round of direct peace negotiations scheduled to be held Monday in the West Bank town of Jericho. "We decided not to go to the scheduled round of talks today (Monday) in protest of killing three Palestinian young men in Qalandya," Abed Rabbo said. "The ongoing Israeli escalation of violence against our people can't be justified and it only aims at toppling the efforts to resume the peace negotiations," he added. The killing of a Palestinian young man in Jenin last week and the killing of three young men near Ramallah Monday outraged many Palestinians, mainly those who are against resumption of the peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians. A Palestinian source said that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas addressed a strong letter of protest to the US administration against the Israeli violations in the West Bank. "President Abbas urged the United States to immediately intervene to avoid more violent consequences among the populations in the West Bank," said the source who did not wish to be identified. The bodies of the three Palestinian young men who were shot dead by the Israeli soldiers were buried in a cemetery near Ramallah. Outraged mourners raised slogans of revenge and demanded that the peace talks with Israel be not resumed. Witnesses said that residents of the Qalandya refugee camp pelted stones and empty glass bottles at the Israeli forces and the Israeli troops responded with live ammunition. Ahmed Al-Bitawy, director of Palestine Medical Centre in Ramallah, said that Robin Fares, 30, was killed with a gunshot in the chest and the other two teenagers died of head injuries. He added that four more wounded people were in critical condition. http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/palestinians-suspend-peace-talks-with-israel-13134.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:22 AM Sorry - should read. of course: "Palestinian Peace talks have been suspended following the killing of three Palestinians by Israeli soldierswho had entered a refugee camp in search of a suspect." Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: bobad Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:27 AM From the NY Times: "The Israeli military said that its troops were in the Qalandia camp to back up security forces seeking to arrest a resident described by the military as a "terror operative." Hundreds of residents threw rocks, firebombs, iron bars and other items at the security forces, including from rooftops, and soldiers were called in to aid them. The military later said an investigation indicated that camp residents had also fired at the soldiers and that the forces felt their lives were in danger, a standard that then allows the use of lethal force." It's never a good idea to attack soldiers who are doing their job. Maybe the Palestinians will eventually figure that out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 27 Aug 13 - 08:43 AM Yup - right on cue! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 13 - 01:01 PM "The Israeli military said." Yeah, right. In the New York Times. Ha bloody ha. And you quote that as authoritative. "Doing their job." Yep, shooting bystanders, eh? Job done, guys! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 27 Aug 13 - 01:19 PM It is Israel's side of the story. Can it not be heard? Is that unacceptable Steve? Too confusing for you to even consider? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 27 Aug 13 - 02:08 PM There is (was maybe) a peace conference during which: Israel has announced an increase in the number of settlements Invaded Lebanese sovereign territory Mounted a security search in a refugee camp in the middle of peace negotiations (seems to have a thing about refugee camps) Her soldiers have killed three civilian refugees and wounded four more (seems to have a thing about killing and wounding both civilians and refugees) Her apologists here still remain silent on the fact that there is a peace conference - one has been more or less silent since he proposed ethnic cleansed the Palestinians out of Palestine Don't thing Israel needs anybody to put her case for her - she's doing a bloody good job of it herself Back under your bridge lads! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Aug 13 - 02:25 PM Well, Jim Carroll the Jew-Hater, I never talked about ethnic cleansing OF Arabs, just about the cleansing BY ARABS that you approved of from 1948 to 1967. YOU are the ONLY one who insists on removing whole populations from areas they have been for hundreds of years. I did say that the Palestinians, SINCE THEY DID NOT WANT TO BECOME LOYAL ISRAELI CITIZENS ( like many other Arabs who stayed in Israel in 1948) could settle in the ARAB PALESTINIAN HOMELAND of Jordan, or other Arab nations. They have a choice, unlike the Jews driven out of Arab nations. I NEVER said they should be removed, just that they should settle WHERE THEY WANT and accept the government OF THAT COUNTRY. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:05 PM Invaded Lebanese sovereign territory Still waiting for a source for that "fact" Jim. Israel did make a big gesture of reconciliation by releasing so many convicted terrorists. Hezbollah's gesture was to take a break from slaughtering Syrians to attempt the murder of some Israeli soldiers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:53 PM It is Israel's side of the story. Can it not be heard? Is that unacceptable Steve? Too confusing for you to even consider? That's just crass, Keith. It's the NYT/AIPAC/Israel gloss on the story. The post-outrage adjustment of the story. Two of those three dead guys were having nothing to do with anything when they were shot. Wrong place, wrong time, too bad, Israel shrugs. At least it wasn't kids throwing stones this time. Ever thus. Wake up, Keith, lest we all conclude that we can't argue with a bloody idiot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 13 - 03:58 PM Well, Jim Carroll the Jew-Hater Let's hear you support that disgusting remark. I mean, how low can you get? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 27 Aug 13 - 04:07 PM "Well, Jim Carroll the Jew-Hater," Brain-dead Bruce the ethnic cleanser "I mean, how low can you get?" Give him a chance Steve - he's on the rise. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: beardedbruce Date: 27 Aug 13 - 04:15 PM Steve, and Jim the Jew-Hater, Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be. Or are you joining the Ubermensch in demanding a different set of rules for those you support versus those you disagree with??? As I say, what a typical bunch of "Liberal" shit for brains. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Greg F. Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:18 PM And still the usual name-calling & horseshit from BullshitBruce. Talk anout "Ever Thus". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be. Non sequitur and childish to boot. I'm amazed you're old enough to have a beard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be. Non sequitur and childish to boot. I'm amazed you're old enough to have a beard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 13 - 06:54 PM Since you have no problem with those who disagree with Bobert being called KKK, and Jim-the-Jew_Hater calls me "Brainless Bruce," you have no fucking right to either complain about or ask for proof of my naming Jim Carroll what he has shown himself to be. Non sequitur and childish to boot. I'm amazed you're old enough to have a beard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 Aug 13 - 02:45 AM "Steve, and Jim the Jew-Hater," You have persistently defended Israel's ghettoisation of the Palestinian people; defended their abuses, massacres, military incursions, their introduction of apartheid laws, use of chemical weapons, their forcibly moving whole communities of nomads onto toxic sites in order to make room for non-Arab settlers. You have supported a seven year long blockade that has restricted food, medicines and equipment vital to the everyday living, of an entire people. All the crimes Israel has been accused of you have attempted to either deny or support. That is supporting human rights abuses and war crimes Your particular evidence has been based on your suggestion that the Palestinians have no legal right to live on the lands they have occupied for millennia - that has been your persistent claim. You have even suggested that the Palestinians be "invited" join their Arab neighbours, willingly or otherwise. That is giving credence to and openly advocating ethnic cleansing You have accused those of us who find all of this horrific, inhuman and internationally illegal behaviour of being "Jew haters". To attribute these crimes to "the Jews" rather than to "the Israeli regime", as the rest of us have, is Antisemitism in the extreme. You are the only one here to have chosen to make this a "Jewish" thing, making you an anti Semitic ethnic cleanser. You and your mates have defended Israel's ignored and/or defended Israel's present acts of aggression which have all but scuppered delicate peace negations which might, just might end a history of bloodshed in the Middle East - you haven't even had the bottle between you to even acknowledge that those Peace negotiations are taking place. This makes you a squalid bunch of war-mongering extremists Have a nice day Brucie. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Aug 13 - 05:01 AM ""Rockets have been fired into Israel intermittently by militant groups since the Israel-Hezbollah conflict in 2006." What the fuck is Lebanon doing firing rockets into Israel in the first place?"" I'd rather like to hear from a credible unbiased source, preferrably one without a dog in the fight, some confirmation that the above is the truth. Until then, all we have is the word of the Israeli Military, and they've never lied, have they? Oh look, a flight of pigs going south for the winter. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Aug 13 - 05:18 AM ""I NEVER said they should be removed, just that they should settle WHERE THEY WANT and accept the government OF THAT COUNTRY."" Live where they want, you say? They want the Palestinian state they were told they would have! I don't recall any of your little bunch ever approving of that. Don T. |