BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 10:28 AM

John P: "...What about their desire to force their religious/moral values on the rest of us?"

Muslims??????? Christians????? Unitarians??? Jehovah Witnesses???? Catholics??? Protestants??? Astrologists???? Buddhists???? Capitalists??? Communists??? Socialists??? Atheists??????!!?? ..and so on....?

I hope I was able to clarify your queries.

Not so much on this question. Your answer doesn't address the issue at all. The Tea Party is overwhelmingly Christian, although the specific religion isn't important. The fact is that the Tea Party is in favor of writing their religious values into law. Abortion, gay marriage, and teaching religion in science classrooms are three of the most visible examples. Do you support this group's desire to legislate their moral beliefs? While it is non-violent, forcing others to live according to their religion seems like a form of terrorism. Can you explain how it isn't?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 10:20 AM

the Tea Party beliefs are those of most Americans

Not by any objective standard in this universe, PeeDee. That statement exceeds even your usual level of delusional bullshit.

And the opinion of a somewhat unstable libertarian blogger Nimmo written over a year ago is relevant how, exactly?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 09:58 AM

Democrats know that the Tea Party beliefs are those of most Americans and are a serious threat to their continuing control of power.

They have fabricated numerous events and staged stunts that are intended to make the Tea Part folks look bad. This is pure old Soviet propaganda.


by Kurt Nimmo

(April) 2010

House Majority Whip James Clyburn invoked civil rights era imagery to demonize opponents of Obamacare.

On March 20, Democrats and the corporate media launched a misleading propaganda offensive claiming Tea Party protesters in Washington spat on Missouri Democrat Emanuel Cleaver and hurled racial epithets at members of the Congressional Black Caucus as they walked to the Capitol to cast a vote on Obama's authoritarian health care bill.

"The congressman was walking into the Capitol to vote, when one protester spat on him. The congressman would like to thank the U.S. Capitol Police officer who quickly escorted the other Members and him into the Capitol, and defused the tense situation with professionalism and care," said Danny Rotert, a spokesman for Cleaver.

In fact, nobody spat on Cleaver. He wandered too close to a screaming protester and was hit by flying saliva. The "N" word cannot be heard in either of the videos below, although it is difficult to tell what beyond "kill the bill" is being yelled at the Congress critters as they flaunted their power over the plebs.
"I have heard things today that I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to get off the back of the bus," House Majority Whip James Clyburn, a South Carolina Democrat and the highest-ranking black official in Congress, told the CIA's favorite newspaper, the Washington Post.

Clyburn tried to turn attention away from the fact most Americans are opposed to Obamacare and more than a few were so outraged they traveled to Washington and yelled at House members who subsequently betrayed the Constitution and handed the government authoritarian power over millions of people. He even rolled in civil rights imagery in order to make his point and prevent rational opposition.

"A lot of us have been saying for a long time that much of this, much of this is not about health care a all. And I think a lot of those people today demonstrated that this is not about health care," he said, "it is about trying to extend a basic fundamental right to people who are less powerful."

One has to ask why members of the House decided to wander into a crowd of people opposed to a bill they were about to vote on. Congress critters usually use a tunnel in order to avoid the commoners. But on this "historical" day they waded directly into a hostile crowd.

Is there a reason for this? Of course. It was a propaganda stunt designed by Democrats. They were well aware of the people gathered outside upset over Obama's totalitarian care. The imagery was nearly perfect for their purposes — a crowd of howling mostly white people confronting a small number of black people. It would reaffirm what Chris Matthews and other corporate media apologists for state power have said for months — opposition to Obamacare (or anything the government does) is racist. The complaisant corporate media inserted the accusation of racism in the argument at exactly the right time. It was all part of a well orchestrated plan.

Democrats like to pretend Republicans and their compromised Tea Party followers are responsible for a brick thrown through the window of Rep. Slaughter's office and other incidents of minor property damage. Is it possible Democrats orchestrated these events as part of their effort to demonize opposition to Obamacare?

Recall the case of Maurice Schwenkler in Denver. Schwenkler, who is a "transgender" activist connected to the SEIU supported group Colorado Citizens Coalition, was arrested for smashing eleven windows at the Democrat headquarters last year. "While Schwenkler does not appear in the state's voter registration database, a person by that name in November 2008 received $500 from a political 527 committee called Colorado Citizens Coalition for 'communications,' according to campaign finance disclosures," the Denver Post reported.

Did Schwenkler attack the Democrats because he opposes Obamacare? Hardly. It was an attempt to blame those opposed to Obamacare and make them look like violent thugs. Fortunately, Schwenkler was caught by the cops and the real story came out. The truth, however, was dwarfed by the initial sensationalistic story and the insinuation of Tea Party activists gone wild. News reports of Schwenkler's real motivation were greeted by the sound of crickets.

SEIU thugs attacked Tea Party protesters at a Rep. Russ Carnahan town hall in St. Louis around the same time. "Union thugs viciously attacked a patriot, Kenneth Gladney, who was handing out Gadsen flags outside the stage-managed event. The St. Louis Tea Party was also demonstrating against Democrats attempting to force Obamacare through Congress," Infowars.com reported on August 7, 2009.

Did Tea Party activists beat up members of the Congressional Black Caucus? No. In fact, they did not even spit on them as the Democrats claim.

Fortunately, Democrat and "progressive" efforts to portray Tea Party activists and millions of ordinary Americans outraged over Obama's authoritarian health care "reform" as brick-toting and gas line cutting neanderthals will continue to fall flat.

Fifty-four percent of surveyed Americans oppose Obamacare and only 41% approve, according to a Rasmussen Reports poll conducted on March 21. "Among insured Americans, 82 percent rate their health coverage positively. Among insured people who've experienced a serious or chronic illness or injury in their family in the last year, an enormous 91 percent are satisfied with their care, and 86 percent are satisfied with their coverage," ABC News reported last October.

Demonizing the opposition as crazed "teabaggers" and white supremacist militia members will not change the broad and growing opposition to Obamacare and a tyrannical government growing by leaps and bounds. Chris Matthews' diatribes and bully boy interview tactics will change little.

Democrats are in trouble and this will become obvious in November during the midterm elections. Let's hope the outrage does not benefit the Republicans who are the right shoe to the Democrats' left shoe on the same corrupt and authoritarian body politic.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 08:44 AM

If waving the guns has the effect that these boorish people want then it is terrorism...

Think about it, GfinS...

My mom, former civil right activist in her prime but now frail and 90 years old, makes the effort to get dressed up (gloves and all) and pushes herself (with a walker) to her car and drives 3 miles (which to her is like a 100 miles), parks, get out and walks a block (again with her walker) toward a "public meeting" and all for naught because the Tea Party goons are there scaring everyone away, that ***IS*** ...

...***TERRORISM***...

They don't have to shoot anyone, though that has also occurred but poorly reported because the right wing owns the media, to have used "terror" to have their way... If someone has been threatened that alone in many states is a crime because it is traumatic for the victim...

Like I have said, when the Tea Party denounces these tactics and apologizes to the folks they have victimized, then we have a new ball game... Right now, it's the same old ball game...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 11:42 PM

John P; "On the non-terrorist economic front, also unaddressed is the cut cut cut taxes philosophy. How does this work, if we still want to fund our government?"

OK, I'll answer each part individually. Much of the tax increases will be used to pay off the debt, and the increases that went to fund CORPORATE bailouts, to which are not being used to create jobs, as the American public was led to believe. Funding the government is one thing, funding crony supporters, who corrupt the government, is quite another! This, administration, as well as others before it, have superseded the will of their electorate, by funneling our resources to them, rather than facilitating the public, of whom they were elected to represent. In short, the government, which you and I are supposed to be a part of, are now subject to globalist corporate dictates, with OUR money supporting them, rather than a representative government, carrying out the will OF THE PEOPLE, and taxing us, for the facilitation of those services. In even shorter, it is fraud!

John P: "How does the desire to do away with regulation of the financial markets not play into the hands of greedy fatcats who buy our Congresspeople and force their "make me even richer" policies down our throats?"

Doing away with the regulations that limit excessive corrupting practices, I would not support. Leaving freedom to expand and develop, businesses and technology, or to invent, I would like to see relaxed, but within the parameters of the already existing anti-monopoly, anti-trust laws, which BTW, are not enforced, as long as they DO NOT intrude on the rights of others, to do the same..nor should they be used to keep competing smaller entrepreneurs, from doing the same.
All to often, some corporation, with its money and influencing power, get their fingers on our elected officials throats, to look another way, and pass legislation creating a loophole, from which the business(es), use leverage to foist upon the public, a new 'law', or artificially create a demand, in which that said business forces the public to HAVE to patronize their business, or service. This practice should be illegal, and enforced, as such!.....speaking of which...
The medical profession: We have heard that Medicaid is in financial trouble, and needs to be replaced with this new Health Care crap. First of all, Medicaid is OK..EXCEPT for the fraud, which is said to have risen the cost(conservatively speaking), to at least 35%. would see to it that ANY medical office, agent, doctor, hospital, clinic, laboratory, pharmacy, or any related attorneys, or accounting offices found involved in defrauding the government(us), would face stiff criminal charges, including the shutting down of such said practices, and mandatory jail time! The same goes for insurance companies, financial institutions, or legal services!! We have enough 'laws' on the books..how about enforcing them....and by the way, any government official found NOT enforcing them, due to a 'special interest', which goes contrary to the law, would immediately face, not only removal from that position, but restitution, and jail time..regardless of party affiliation, or tenure!! NO favors granted, when it comes to violating the trust that the people should have, in those looking out for us...on our nickle!! Fair enough?

As to the first question(s): "Are these quasi-terrorist activities, or not? If not, why not? What about their desire to force their religious/moral values on the rest of us?"

I think that people showing up with their guns waving in the air is just plain stupid. Whether it is a 'terrorist' activity would depend on what else they do with that gun. Any party should vigorously discourage those displays of anger, or threats. In most states, there are laws against, 'brandishing a weapon', and/or 'menacing'. If any party wants to gain supporters, they should do so legally. A little while back, on this forum, one particular(unnamed) member posted, "It's time to rise up.."..with connotations of violent revolution. I responded with a smarty pants remark "Get some Viagra". I did this only to discourage what could be seen as inflammatory seditious solicitations, coming from us, here on Mudcat!..not that I don't understand, or empathize with his feelings...(I did him a favor, mixed it with a little humor.. but he probably didn't take it that way...too bad!)

Although that may, or may not eventually happen, I don't think that is any less inflammatory that waving firearms in the air, or jacking rounds in the chamber! I do NOT support a violent overthrow of the government, however, that being said, I could see supporting one's own self defense. I WOULD support the government enforcing the very laws that would/could prevent an overthrow, due to people's frustration with loopholes and unenforced laws, causing people to think that an overthrow should be necessary. The anger that has risen in this country is mostly caused by government's corrupt dealings with corrupt 'special interests', and imposing their wills, over our rights! Perhaps a little less tolerance from our elected officials, of these practices would gladly be met by the support of the citizenry...you think??...a little exposure to the public, and a responding public outcry, may just get a momentum going, in that direction....regardless of party affiliation.

John P: "...What about their desire to force their religious/moral values on the rest of us?"

Muslims??????? Christians????? Unitarians??? Jehovah Witnesses???? Catholics??? Protestants??? Astrologists???? Buddhists???? Capitalists??? Communists??? Socialists??? Atheists??????!!?? ..and so on....?

I hope I was able to clarify your queries.

Regards to All!! (Please forgive any typos)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 07:46 PM

The Tea Party has no answer for that... I know these people... They hate government until they need it and then they can't get enough of it and are pissed off when they find that Medicare is only going to pay 90 days for Mama's long-care and that after that Mama is going to have to pay out of the money that Bubba thought he was going to inherit...

Talk about anti-government... Bubba is ready to kill some sumabich because there just ain't enough government out there for anti-government Bubba when he ***wants*** it???

This is the Tea Party right down the line...

Ignorant people with simplistic views of the worlds and simplistic solutions to complex problems...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 07:01 PM

Excellent question, John! I await the answer with bated breath.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 06:02 PM

So, those who think there's no terrorism in the Tea Party have yet to address the guns at town hall meetings and the racial slurs screamed at Congresspeople. Are these quasi-terrorist activities, or not? If not, why not? What about their desire to force their religious/moral values on the rest of us?

On the non-terrorist economic front, also unaddressed is the cut cut cut taxes philosophy. How does this work, if we still want to fund our government? How does the desire to do away with regulation of the financial markets not play into the hands of greedy fatcats who buy our Congresspeople and force their "make me even richer" policies down our throats?

GfS, I agree with most of what you have said about the corporate takeover of America. How do the economic policies of the Tea Party address that problem?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 04:21 PM

". . . at least you stated them, without your usual name calling. . . ."

Sweet Aunt Fanny!! THAT from YOU!???

"On Afghanistan, whether we belong to an alliance or not, we still have to go to Congress. . . ."

DO buy a world atlas and study it. That was LIBYA I was talking about.

"Then you might consider stopping your relentless support of 'causes' that are found to be in error!"

Which causes are those, GfS? You don't know what causes I support, so what are you popping off about?

Neither bragging nor complaining, GfS. Just saying.

What "rose colored glasses" are those?

AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.

You see? There you go. Yapping safely behind the fence with nothing really to say other that how smart you are and what a hopeless ignoramus I am. And in your yapping, you're just repeating the same old stuff. Why should I waste my time trying to discuss things with you? You just try to twist everything into a put-down or an insult.

Okay. I'll walk off. And you can have the reassurance that your yapping has frightened me off.

I'll go and have a more intelligent conversation with my neighbor's little Yorkie.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 03:59 PM

If today is like yesterday (Sunday) the United States military will kill people in 5 (five) sovereign countries, all dominated by followers of Islam.

Yes, Obama is Commander in Chief and he is responsible for what our fighting men do.

He is overdue in asking Congress to approve our actions in Lybia and Yemen.

If he were a Republican and we had a Democrat-controlled Congress, there would be talk of impeachment.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 03:37 PM

Correction: On Libya, whether we belong to an alliance or not, we still have to go to Congress, whether you like it or not. After all, they do, or are suppose to handle the funding....something this administration seems not to give a shit about, for any number of 'programs'. Agree?

'Libya' to replace 'Afghanistan'

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 03:29 PM

Don, your points are both well taken, and at least you stated them, without your usual name calling(mostly), to those who disagree.

On Afghanistan, whether we belong to an alliance or not, we still have to go to Congress, whether you like it or not. After all, they do, or are suppose to handle the funding....something this administration seems not to give a shit about, for any number of 'programs'. Agree?

"I'm nothing if not generous to those who need to go to ridiculous lengths to prop up their crumbling self-esteem."

Physician, heal thyself!

"I am just as unhappy about the way this country is being run as you are."

Then you might consider stopping your relentless support of 'causes' that are found to be in error!

"But I know, FOR A FACT that there are some truly honest politicians out there. I know a few personally. This is because I don't just talk about it. I am politically active. And the fact that I AM politically active gives me a great opportunity to observe things from close up, and it also gives me a pretty good education on how things work. Or DON'T work, as the case may be."

At first I couldn't tell if you were bragging or complaining! The same thing I posted about 'protesters' can easily be applied to 'activists'. Just because a person is 'active' is not a guarantee that his views are accurate...he's just active! it may be noted, that though one might not question your sincerity, and whether or not you are sincere, it is no reason for YOU not to question whether you may be 'sincerely wrong'!

And as to the 'human rights' issue, again, that is only defined as what political rose colored glasses you're looking through...For instance, what about the human rights issue in Iran??? Egypt?? Venezuela??..here, as to their 'right' for people to dissent, en mass, and form an appendage, to either political party, without the hate and discontent being aimed at them by BOTH sides?? Or is that confined to human rights, only defined by either or both sides, as what is defined by 'human'?..or rights'
I am NOT a Tea Partier, nor Republican, nor Democrat...but I can listen to each of their raps, and see certain truths, and fallacies in any one of their persuasive 'issues'.
I think its high time, that we begin to remember that we are Americans, who generally are both selfish, materialistic, but also a generous people. Stirring up, any segment to hate, resent or close off, only brings divisions and isolation to us all, for the common good, of us, and to the rest of the world, to whom we may be able to help, or trade, or ally ourselves with. By in large, the PEOPLE of America, don't 'HATE' any segmented group of anyone on the map...other than those who, through propaganda, we are 'taught' to hate, resent,(etc. etc.)
What is happening, though, by this administration, AND PREVIOUS ONES, AS WELL, is the pass, that they give, not to the just the 'rich', but to the very people corrupting them, and well as us as a nation, in their quest to usurp power AWAY from our very form of government, and make way for THEIR preferential treatment, to implement 'laws' and favors, to accommodate THEIR wills, which often intrudes on the rights, of WE, as a people! In this matter, you have NO argument!!
That being said, let's not confuse, REAL issues with trumped up phony issues, not based on fact, but rather on the laying a premise, for yet another, basis for constraining us, taking AWAY more of our freedom and liberty, for their profits and power over our lives!!!
I have NO issues, with the 'rich', if they earned it, and earned it legitimately, without imposing their wills on other people's rights!

Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 02:52 PM

First of all, I ain't afraid of the Tea Party people any more than I was afraid of the Klan... I knew people who were members of the Klan back in the 60s and 70s and they didn't individually scare me in the slightest... Most of them were just loudmouths who unless they were with their buddies were purdy wimpy...

It's when these folks get into a mob they can be dangerous... My mom never went into that town meeting because of the Tea Party outside playing mob... Lots of other elderly people who came to speak or to just listen turned around as well... My mom was 90 at the time so I'm glad she didn't try to push her way thru the rednecks... She, however, in her day didn't back down and was arrested several times in civil rights demonstrations...

As for generalizations??? There are occasions when common sense takes over and generalizations work in keeping you safe... There are places that folks just don't need to be... I mean, back when I was working at Rubicon North in Richmond I worked every other weekend from Friday night until Monday morning as SOD (Staff on Duty)... Rubicon North was a drug treatment half-way house and was at the the corner of 2nd and Calhoun which was right in the middle of one of the roughest neighborhoods in Richmond... I knew lots of people and would sit out on the sidewalk sometimes and play geetar or just talk with people well past midnight... The operative word is that people knew me... All kinds of people knew me... Pimps, hookers, ripper 'n runners... So I was relatively safe unless I got shot by accident from a stray bullet...

There are 2nd & Calhouns in cities across the country where today, even though I have a good amount of acquired black dialect, rhythm and mannerism I wouldn't be safe getting out of the car at 3 in the morning... I mean, generalizations do serve learned people well in certain circumstances...

So, yeah, like me not wanting to get out of the car like 5 blocks from Temple University in Philly at 3 in the morning or 5 blocks from Johns Hopkins in Baltimore at 3 in the morning, my mom went to a town meeting and was met by a mob of rude people... Were all these people rude people??? No, probably not... But enough were so that common sense + generalizations told her to turn around...

That is the problem with mob (herd) mentality... Things can get out of hand and people hurt... That's why when I heard some of the   things that Sarah Plain was saying at rallies which brought people to yell "Hang him" it was clear to anyone with common sense that had Obam been at that rally then maybe one of the folks would have tried to either kill or harm him... When I hear people saying that it's time for 2nd amendment remedies these people are giving permission to others to do just that... There have already been acts of violence carried out by people associated with the Tea Party so it isn't some figment of one's imagination that these acts could escalate or be repeated...

Bottom line: The Tea Party has put out threats and backed them up... They have tacitly given permission to any wingnut out there with a gun that killing is okay if you are defending some policy position of your party...

This is dangerous... This is un American... This is a deterrent to compromise, democracy, discussion, etc...

The Tea Party has never, to my knowledge, denounced these tactics or apologized for using them... Until they do, they are not unlike the Taliban in the way they try to get their policies in place... In other words: terrorism!!!

Like it or not, that is what it is... Let them denounce these tactics and apologize and maybe a new ball game... Until then, they do try to scare people and that ain't what democracy is all about... That what dictators do...

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 02:49 PM

". . . and you two got scared away. . . ."

If it floats (bloats) your little ego to think that, GfS, then go right ahead. I'm nothing if not generous to those who need to go to ridiculous lengths to prop up their crumbling self-esteem.

I find it a complete waste of time to try to discuss or debate with someone who isn't interested in even considering other viewpoints and responds with nothing more substantial than trying to shove those with whom they disagree into shallow pigeon holes with pseudo-political labels, uses degrading insults, and generally treats people with utter contempt.

And as to the degrading insults. Obviously you are unaware that the insults don't degrade the person you're trying to insult, they degrade YOU.

I can have that sort of friendly, intellectual discussion with my neighbor's yappy Yorkshire terrier. When I turn around and walk away, he undoubtedly thinks like he's faced me down—when, in reality, I could squash him under my foot. But—I'm kind to dumb animals. . . .

GfS—and Sawzaw—your questions have been answered many times over. It's just that the two of you would not be happy with ANY answer, you want to just keep the argument going.

I am just as unhappy about the way this country is being run as you are. But as is illustrated by the way you talk to and about people here on these threads, you tend to attribute what people do, in general and in politics in particular, to sheer stupidity and/or corruption and deceitfulness. In some cases, particularly in politics, this is, indeed, true. But I know, FOR A FACT that there are some truly honest politicians out there. I know a few personally. This is because I don't just talk about it. I am politically active. And the fact that I AM politically active gives me a great opportunity to observe things from close up, and it also gives me a pretty good education on how things work. Or DON'T work, as the case may be.

As to Obama not being qualified to be President, his education (Law) and prior political experience actually makes him more qualified than most candidates. And that's a fact. And his heart's in the right place. Both of these things were evident during the campaign, AND after. And still. His mistake, as I have stated a number of times, is in trying to build consensus and get cooperation and compromise with people who have a vested interest in making sure he fails, and would just as soon impeach him or disqualify him if they thought they could find a viable reason. God knows, they've tried, what with their "birther" B.S., and now attacking him on allegedly "going to war without the approval of Congress" and all that.

And you two guys, with your attitudes, would play right into their hands. Boy, is THAT politically savvy!!

I never said that the Tea Party is a "terrorist organization," but it's beginning to look more and more as if they are. They're a bunch of really pissed-off people. But in case anybody missed it, what they have gone on record about is that they are pissed off, not at the fact that the top five percent of the wealthy in this country have—individually—more wealth than the rest of the population (95%) combined! And that they share almost NONE of the tax burden, if any at all, while the rest of us are paying a much higher percentage of our incomes than they are. That doesn't seem to bother the Tea Party one bit.

No. Instead, they're pissed off at people who receive Social Security checks (from a system they've paid into all of their work lives) when they've grown too old to work or have become disabled. They're pissed off at Obama wanting to institute a national health plan when we are the only civilized (?), industrialized country in the world that doesn't have one and has the costliest health care in the world—but far from the best, as some like to claim.

They're pissed off at the government's attempts to regulate Wall Street and the banks, which, due to the fact that Ronald Reagan managed to gut the Securities and Exchange Commission and a number of other regulatory agencies, regulations instituted by Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1930s to put a leash on the people who caused the Great Depression, resulted in the ongoing Wall Street Ponzi Scheme plunging us into the current economic mess we are in.

These people think they're freeing the country from the excesses of "Big Government" when, in actuality, they want to turn the whole country over to the very crooks that are the cause of all their woes.

But they're too bloody ignorant to understand this, having received their political education and their understanding of economics from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Bill O'Reilly, and the other charlatans of the Right Wing (so called) "news" media.

As to pulling the troops out of Afghanistan, to do that now would be disastrous, when the pressure the U. S. presence has put on the situation there has led to overtures that look like they could result in a peaceable coalition between the Karzai government and a chastened Taliban. NOT a good time for us to leave, and Obama knows that, so he IS doing the right thing. It's a matter of smart timing.

I (and others) have already pointed out that the U. S. involvement in Libya is NOT the U. S. "invading Libya," it is a joint operation between NATO and the UN. And the U. S. is a member of, and has obligations to, both organizations. The British launched the Tomahawk missiles from British ships, and the U. S. provides air cover and was given the assignment (by the way, the French are spearheading the operation) of taking out Qaddafi's air defenses. No U. S. "boots on the ground." Why did the UN and NATO want to do this? Libyan's, following the lead of the Egyptians, were demonstrating for regime change when Qaddafi started murdering his own people

Fasten your seat belt, GfS:   It's a Human Rights thing!

And we know from threads on other subjects just how concerned you are with human rights.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 01:40 PM

Sawzaw: "Bobert claims to be a protester so maybe he has some facts about his subject."

Protesters, in general, are called 'protesters' because they 'protest'. Backing up a claim, from which they are 'protesting' about does NOT fall into the 'job description'.
Notice, that there are NUMEROUS subjects that have been brought up, that instead of backing up their 'claims', they then go on to 'accusing', as if all readers, by word association, begin to 'protest' the person to whom the 'protesting accusation' is made....without a scrap of truthful foundation to back it up!!!

It is a tactic that has been used relentlessly, by so-called, phonies, who align themselves with trumped up 'liberal' causes.

The history speaks for itself, and is quite evident....but then...
"History teaches us, that man never learns from history"!!

Instead, I guess they're going to hide and pout, in lieu of wising up, and considering learning something that THEY can incorporate into their 'hipness'.

Hey, Sawzaw...This was a good one!..Have a good day!
Bobert, and Don....Still love you guys!

Regards to All,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 12:51 PM

Still no facts from Bobert about the about Dixiecrat issue he brought up. The man can't can't answer a straight up question and name any Dixiecrats.He Can't explain his own term "shitload"

Just puffin out his chest and blowin hard trying to change the subject which he knows nothing about and calling anyone who disagrees with him ignorant.

Let the record show that Bobert will not and cannot supply any facts about the subjects of the Dixiecrats that he introduced in this forum.

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Next subject or stink bomb that Bobert introduced in this forum:

Bogus claims as an excuse to start a war:

Now what was the bogus claim about the Gulf of Tonkin?

Who lied about the bogus claim?

Was that war declared? How many people died in that war?

Bobert claims to be a protester so maybe he has some facts about his subject.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 09:52 AM

Oh yeah......."The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??"

Brought to you from the same mentality that thought ALL 'hippies' were a communist plot!!!

Wavin',

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 09:17 AM

Bobert: "They scared my mom away from a town meeting in Florida with their insults, threats and screaming at people... And my mom don't scare easily... And they yelled "Hang him" at Palin rallies in reference to Obama..."

...and you two got scared away, just by asking you questions, and asking for explanations. Sounds pretty weak to me. Did you ever stop to think, that your rantings about Tea Partiers, there in the South, might have more to do with some residual biases found primarily with Southerners, than Tea Partiers???..I mean the KKK is primarily a Southern gig, and not as prevalent in the rest of America. NOBODY, that I've met here, even relates to the KKK...AT ALL!! They (the KKK), have NO credibility, anywhere I've traveled. So your fixation, on equating the two of them, as one entity, is just full of hot air...excuse me...'Hot Southern Air'.
But let's not steer away from the SAME tactic that quasi smug 'liberal' wannabes, accuse others with their childish accusations.
Rather than painting all dissenters with the same brush, as 'racists', 'bigots', 'homophobes' et al..blah blah blah, then running away to hide, like a bunch of ninnies, maybe you might consider, what beyond 'name calling' you guys ain't got much going on yourself!!..
You can always vote for Obama, again!....regardless of any sound judgment, or the ability to take a look around the rest of the country.

...and why bitch at me??..I'm not the one belly-achin' because I was deceived. I'm not the one disillusioned that the guy I voted for turned out to be a piece of shit.....but don't listen to me...what do I know???..(You don't have to try to wrap your brains around that one..you don't have enough wrapping paper!!).

A Reminder, from Bob Dylan:

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

GfS

P.S. Do ya' think they'll ever understand who he was talking about???

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 04:18 PM

Well, the Tea Party is certainly a racist party and a party that has used terrorism to control others... Ask your black firend, especially those who are older and grew up in the South and they'll tell you that the Tea Party is the new Klan... If you grew up in Jim Crow South than you certainly understand terrorism...

They scared my mom away from a town meeting in Florida with their insults, threats and screaming at people... And my mom don't scare easily... And they yelled "Hang him" at Palin rallies in reference to Obama...

No, they are very much a terrorist organization...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 03:54 PM

I didn't vote for Dennis Kucinich..and I doubt that I would...but if it came to just voting a Democratic ticket, I might be tempted to.

Don: "I'm not happy with Obama. Great hopes early on, but he's disappointed a lot of people for reasons I've posted earlier. Not strong enough, too conciliatory with people who have no intention of compromising on anything."

Well, during the elections I went 'round and 'round with Amos, that Obama was not even 'qualified' to be President...So I'm somewhat glad that you came around, even if it was a bit late! are you going to 'fault' me for being ahead of the curve, on that one, too?

Now, to get back to the topic of the thread..The Tea Party is NOT a 'terrorist' organization, nor should they be made out to be likened to one. That's the shit that divisive idiots try to foist on the American people, who are just not contented with the two party's behavior! If you spend too much, cut back. If you're taxed to much, cut back. If we get bailouts, at taxpayer expense, how about some accountability....especially when the Bozo at the top, promised 'transparency'....transparency my ass! You, as well as I KNOW, it went to the mega-corporations, and to funding God only knows what, without scrutiny of the American public...even though, we have to pay for it! That is complete crap, any way you slice it! I think even you could agree with that...as any 'normal' citizen, of ANY country....wouldn't you say?
As far as 'selective' military involvements overseas, just which ones to find consistent with what our, or any military, is supposed to be doing?.......and what is all this run-up with TRILLIONS of dollars, with NO apparent rhyme or reason?..............I'd be tempted to give you a couple of takes on it, but from your tones, I don't think that you'd be able to spare any rationality...even though REPEATEDLY, I've been correct on a WHOLE LOT of stuff...and/or at least, got people to think further than the typical surface nonsense being thrown out there through the 'info-tainment' 'news' outlets.
Being that, as it may, why do you think that I'm against you getting accurate information? That is absolutely silly!!..and that being said, I maintain, and accurately so, that we, as a people, are being fed a bunch of lying horse crap, designed specifically to mislead, and cover up greater evils....to which WE should be against, not singing the praises for....wouldn't you say?..the only problem is, is to get accurate info, you have to make room, by getting rid of false misleadings, that you seemed to hold onto, for dear life.
Bobert wants to make everything a Democrat versus Republican issue, and can't get past that. I believe the corrupted course, we, as a nation, are on, is in control of both parties..and I think the evidence is overwhelmingly supportive of that view! No matter what 'party' gets into 'power', we keep heading down the same path, wouldn't you say?..and even up to the exact SAME policies, that both parties are pointing their fingers at each other, for the EXACT same shit, blaming each other..........and not questioning 'WHY'!...and furthermore, not being able to correct it..from either 'side'!
...and for this, I'M the 'bad guy'???????????
Shit, I'm just a musician....a pretty fuckin' good one, at that....and I don't like seeing what the corrupt power mongers are doing to my country, and my fellow country-men!...including you two!..not to mention others who haven't got the 'cajones' to post..or at least, discuss things with a genuine open(as in 'liberal') mind!!
I'm telling you, we've been betrayed!....and by BOTH parties. So get over it, as far as blaming me, or anyone that you erringly perceive, as being 'against' you.
P.S. Besides, you must be, by now, getting tired of getting the snot slapped out of you!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 02:37 PM

What Bobert said. He's got a good grip on this situation.

I was very much in favor of Dennis Kucinich early on (a couple of presidential elections ago). But he's gotten a bit hysterical lately, and he'd be a disaster if he were elected.

I'm not happy with Obama. Great hopes early on, but he's disappointed a lot of people for reasons I've posted earlier. Not strong enough, too conciliatory with people who have no intention of compromising on anything.

People like GfS will, of course, vote for Kucinich, even go so far as to write him in if he doesn't make the ballot, rather than vote for Obama, split the vote, and throw the election to one of the Republican bozos who are slavering after the job.

THEN, we'll ALL have something—a lot of things—to howl about!

####

I, too, am not bothering to read Sawzaw's posts. Cut and paste from his favorite Right Wing blogs, and then lards them over with personal insults.

And as for GfS:   Why should I waste my time trying to have a rational discussion with someone who insults my intelligence and denigrates my character rather than even considering what I'm saying? That's the mark of someone who is not open to reasonable argument; rather than making a sensible point, they are far more interested in trying to show how smart they are by putting the other person down.

If you want a graphic illustration of this sort of conduct, read Sawzaw's last post ot Bobert. And—look at the next post that GfS directs at me.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 02:19 PM

Bobert: "
Here's the deal, GfinS...
The invasion of Iraq was 100% bogus..."

Okay, I agree with you on that one!...So what makes it OK to invade the rest???

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 12:44 PM

Here's the deal, GfinS...

The invasion of Iraq was 100% bogus...

Yes, the UN and Congress did pass resolutions that specified that Baush would have to use an invasion of last resort... That never happened...

Hanz Blix went before the UN in late January, 2002 and reported that the Iraqi's were not only cooperating with the UN inspectors but had allowed the inspectors to inspect where ever they wanted... Hey, that is exactly what both the UN and Congress were looking for with their resolutions...

2 weeks later Bush ordered up the invasion!!!

That violated the "spirit" of the resolutions and therefore the entire war was in violation of the spirit of both the UN and Congress's wishes...

That's the way it went down and I can furnish you with the exact date of the report and the exact language of Blix's report, if you like...

This isn't a matter of debate... It's a matter of common sense...

Like I said, I am not 100% with or against Kucinich and Co... What I am against are people who voted for the Congressional resolution on Iraq who never peeped up when they knew perfectly well that Bush hadn't lived up to what Congress wanted or authorized...

That is 100% USDA Choice "Hypocrisy"...

I am sick of the hypocrisy of 100% of the Republicans... And, yes, some of the Dems, as well...

Yo, Sawz...

Sorry, pal, but I'm not reading your posts any more... You have lost all credibility and you are a patent liar, too... So your stuff gets scrolled by as in ot even looked at.. You should have played straighter in the beginning without all this obsessive garbage... You have completely marginalized yourself in my book...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM

Bobert has displayed his entire knowledge of who the "shitload" Dixiecrats were that turned into Republicans or how many there were.

Exactly how many are in a shitload and how would he know if there were enough Dixiecrats to make a shitload?

Ziltch.

In an effort to hide his lack of knowledge he resorts to ad hominem attacks calling the people that ask him "ignorant" and spends hours claiming he is too busy.

All of which leads me to believe that Bobert is a Blowhard.

He could prove he is not a Blowhard by producing some facts to support his claims about the shitload of Dixiecrats but I think he would rather keep avoiding facts and proving he is a Blowhard.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 12:03 PM

Oh, and while we're at it......How come we ignored the calls from the Iranian people, when they begged us for their help??

How about the Egyptians??

..and remember Tienanmen Square?

Where were the phony 'liberals' there?
Did you ANY support ANY of this??..Or just filling your shoes with the crap running down your legs?

Bullshitters!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 11:22 AM

....and ah da' peepo sed, "Ah-men"!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 11:19 AM

..and we have laws regarding when and how we go to war!..not that that means any difference to you, and the Obama devotees! ..and I don't know where you get this 'right wing blog' shit.
Is Kucinich too 'right wing' for ya'?
Was Reagan right to bomb Libya, but Obama is OK to do the same???
Did Libya attack us??...as it did while Reagan was in office?
Do you support the U.S. being the 'policeman' for the rest of the world?
Is it our 'normal' policy to interfere with other nation's civil wars?..or are we instigating them?
Did you support Johnson's Vietnam policies, as well???
Did you support Bush's war on Iraq?
Afghanistan?
Pakistan?
Somalia?
..or do you only LIKE so-called 'liberal' started wars?
It sounds more like to me, that we are just supporting ANY, and ALL mid-east unrest!
Did we bomb Northern Ireland?..or make big moves to fuck with the IRA?
...or the Basques?
Kenya?..Uganda?
This unilateral warmongering is now justified because you THINK Obama is a liberal!!!!!??
Is Kucinich wrong??
Do you think, with Kucinich breaking ranks with Obama, that this is 'unifying' the Democratic party??

Personally, I think either party is OK..AS LONG as they uphold the Democratic process, as laid down in the Constitution, and stop with the corruption, that makes the 'policies'!...and this ass-brain has done everything in his power to circumnavigate AWAY from our supreme law of our nation!!..Including how the so-called 'Health Care' bill was passed...and then in the name of 'equality', hands out waivers to his cronies!! You think that's just ducky, huh???

Now, I expect none of these questions to be answered, from you two, but rather blither-blather, and some half witted, asinine name calling and accusations!
The reason is YOU DO NOT HAVE A MORAL OR LEGAL LEG TO STAND ON!!
Frankly, when it comes to hypocrisy, the far left lunatics, who have captured your thinking, are more akin to mentally ill, two faced, double standard morons!!!
But, be glad..at least you have company!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 09:47 AM

Hdere's the deal, GfinS...

You know that I'll wrestle around with you when time permits because I am wrestling around with *YOU*... Wrestling around with cut and paste right winged paid bloggers is a complete waste of my precious time and I'm sure that Don feels the same way...

As for Kucinich??? I agreed with him on Iraq and Afghanistan... I'm not totally sold on the NATO participation but more because the US has had to carry the load with NATO for years... Gadaffi, however, should not be attacking civilian areas indiscriminately... That's called genocide...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 08:25 AM

Don: "My Gawd, you're clueless!!"
Don: "In fact, you couldn't get a clue if it was the middle of clue mating season, you rubbed your body with clue musk, then dashed out into the middle of a field full of horny clues and did the clue mating dance!"


I guess if that's all you got, or, if that's all you have for a rebuttal, you ain't got too much, do you??? Instead, you say something semi-quasi inflammatory, that DOES NOT address the issue, just more namby-pamby name calling.

Oh, and I'M clueless????? I didn't vote for the fuck-nut!!!!

'Cluelessly' not as fooled, as you,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 01:07 AM

In fact, you couldn't get a clue if it was the middle of clue mating season, you rubbed your body with clue musk, then dashed out into the middle of a field full of horny clues and did the clue mating dance!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 12:56 AM

My Gawd, you're clueless!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 12:43 AM

Oh, and Pee Ess...I'm NOT a right winger, either!...I think you are more for 'corporatism' than 'socialism' as well!!

Personally, I think ALL the 'isms' can take a flying leap!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 12:29 AM

Well, that's a bunch of home-made shit!
First of all, the ONLY forum or blog I EVER go to is this one!..So you found yourself a tag-a-long.
Meanwhile, I was going to ask one of you astute warmongers, to justify how we come to attack Libya, without going to Congress, whether we have a NATO, or any other alliance!! This is bullshit, and you bloody well know it! You are both just playing 'follow the leader'..no matter how illegal, unethical, un-Constitutional, and matter of fact, treasonous!!

Is Dennis Kucinich wrong??..in calling a spade a spade?..Is he 'too far right' or 'too far left' to your liking???..Do we now follow the 'man' instead of the laws and ideals, this country is supposed to be about???? Are you craving a dictator, to tell you what we are going to do??..instead of following the laws and protocols, already established, as to our behavior, in this world???

I think you don't have any rational, legal basis to stand on, other than you like the guy you were led to believe was really a 'liberal'..and being as you identify with that, you are too locked, as in 'brain-locked' to admit that you've been deceived!!
Hey, its not too late...I kept saying through-out quite a few posts, and threads, "Snap now and avoid the rush!"...You guys are the moral equivalent, of the Nixon hanger-onners, true believers, who still supported him, and wanted him to stay, even as he was waving 'Fare well' from the helicopter, AFTER he resigned!!..probably crying in your beer about Anthony Wiener, as well!!......just because he is of you party...no matter how fucked up, he is!

You probably still think Oblab-Face thinks more of the poor under-trodden, than his corporate/financial 'sponsors'...just because he, and the momentum of the media, conned you suckers into thinking he was something that he is not...in the least!

So, is it any wonder, that a 'Tea Party' sprang up???....even if they might be off a little, here and there??....What did you expect?? I'm willing to bet doughnuts to dollars, that there are a lot of sincere people out there, who belong to the Tea Party, who are NOT gun toting KKK'rs, not racist, not Republicans, who just are frustrated with the bullshit 'Change we can believe in' crap, that is worse than Bush. Actually, in my thinking, the was, is and never intended to be ANY difference....other than appealing to 'liberals' who were fooled long enough, just to shut them up!

Well, cowboys, got news for you...YOU AIN'T 'LIBERALS'..hell, you don't even believe in a Democratic government! ...nor our Republic!..or you would have called it the way it was!

Shit, I don't even know if you play anything musically, except the radio!

Oh well, I think what is self evident, is self evident...and there is a faction of loons out there who will believe any corrupt notion, that wraps itself in a package of 'OUR SIDE'!!!

I really hope Kucinich has half the integrity, as he portrays himself to have.....I don't know, though..he did oppose Obama care, up to the end.........................................almost!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 10:54 PM

And it's far more productive and effective to talk to real people in the 3D world, write letters to one's political representatives and the editors of various publications, and talk with people face-to-face.

The internet is a great tool for politicking, but there's one thing about talking with people face-to-face. And that is that they have to stick to the subject, and they rarely respond to what you're saying with personal insults. Because there is always the chance that they might be served a knuckle sandwich for talking to someone the way certain people here on these threads do constantly when they don't have a sane answer to someone else's valid point.

There are a couple of other grass roots organizations besides the "Tea Party" who don't make as much noise, but their influence will be felt very strongly, very soon. Organized as a reaction to the excesses of the "Tea Party," but, I might add, they could hardly be called "reactionary." Intelligent and well-informed, meeting through the internet, and getting together when possible in each other's living rooms.

Stay tuned.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 10:30 PM

No duck-outs and no endo-anal cranial insertion (at least on the part of Bobert and me), but we've come to the conclusion that it's a total waste of time and energy to try to have a rational discussion with a couple of people who consider no viewpoint but their own (or what they're parroting from Right-Wing blogs), and spout-off non-stop with their eyes shut and their fingers in their ears.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 08:21 PM

Well that's a convenient way to duck out!

I do not, however, think that the Republicans are without fault, when it comes to this....They both rapidly respond to the phone call from the international bankers, and mega-corps.

I think the more the Obama administration and so called 'liberals'(not to be confused with real liberals), fuck up, the less we'll be hearing from their naively fooled supporters. The 'fuck ups' are all to obvious!....and harder to be spun to even 'look'right!

"Something is happening here,
What it is ain't exactly clear...."

Then remove your head from that hot, wet comfy zone of 'rest'!!!

.....besides, it stinks there....but some just got too comfortable there....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 08:20 PM

Me neither, Don... Arguing with right wing bloggers who are paid to write garbage and then post it on the internet as being factual is a complete waste of time... I split my time more wisely than to engage in arguing with paid morons whose only job is to frame issues to make their crooks look good and the good guys look like the real crooks...

The entire right wing is way deep in so much bullshit and mythology now that they can't come up with lies fast enough to out do each other...

My hip-waders are also out being repaired...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 04:53 PM

I'm not currently taking part in this thread.

It's pretty getting deep and--um--aromatic--around here, and my hip-waders are out being repaired.

CLICKY

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 04:19 PM

"...he {Obama}violated the War Powers Act, which requires him to come to Congress within 60 days for approval once initiating hostilities and we also say in the suit that even though the president had the approval of NATO and had the approval of the UN Security Counsel, those two institutions to do not trump the United States Constitution in the fact that the president has to come back and get approval." ~ Kucinich

George Bush and George W. Bush went before Congress at least four times to get our military actions approved. Both gave truthful information and followed the law.

Lyndon Johnson went to Congress with a completely bogus incident in the Gulf of Tonkin to have his pissing contest with Uncle Ho approved.

Slick Willie tried to bomb Serbia back to the Stone Age without Congressional approval. In fact, Clinton ordered the bombing of seven nations, all done with questionable legal standing.

There seems to be a pattern here when it comes to Democrats and Republican following the law. Carter, I believe, avoided the problem by having no discernable foreign military policy.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 03:24 PM

Oh, Here's the full story.....I'm sure it gets fuller, just follow the links!

Humm dee dum dum....

Responses?????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 12:54 PM

'Tis a common tactic to avoid answering questions, that tend to scratch the surface, of a mountain of disinformation, and exaggerations, commonly know in the real world, as lies!

in another thread, about 'lying bastards', look at all the stuff that came in, about the lies this administration has dumped on the public, only to be embraced by those who support their particular lying bastard!!...The same goes for when the 'other' lying bastard party is in 'power'(?)..(as if either party has their own power).

When someone outside the loop, makes advances, whether it be Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin lies and bad mouthing spring up like gushers! Pretty soon, everyone is tired of hearing about them, and the glittering shimmer wears away, and they're yesterday's news. I guess the next in line will be Michelle Bachman. (The left tend to despise women who rise up, and who are successful, even if it from an opposing view!)
BTW, when I checked on Dennis Kucinich, this is what popped up....(don't let is piss you off too much!).

Just found this....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 09:45 AM

"They learn you and then give you only what you want"

Like yours? If so, where is your info on the shitload of Dixiecrats?

You spend so much time dreaming up these deceptions to avoid answering a question and then you claim you don't have the time to answer the question.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Jun 11 - 02:06 AM

As far as I know, its original and has first appeared in 'Mudcat', by 'Yours Truly'. Cut and paste it, and E-mail it!!

Finally, a post of mine that 'John P' likes......I won't wonder 'why'!

Have fun with it!

Regards with a Wink!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 07:53 PM

GfinS...

I got the puuder workin' but still don't have a long enough cord... Loved the Michale Grimm song "Fallin'"... Real soulful... I got a few songs like that in my song collection but most of the gigs I do folks don't want to hear anything that doesn't get their pant legs a'shakin'...

Saws...

I hate to tell you this but you computer has tailored itself to the kinds of websites that cater only to the right wing and is blocking you from the others... Computers do this... They learn you and then give you only what you want...

Go to a library and use their computers that will not have built in prejudices and biases... Google up "Dixiecrats" and "Southern Strategy" and you'll get a wealth of information about stuff that I assume you are clueless about... Then maybe after you learn the true American History then you'll understand how the parties did the switch in the 60s...

But then again, maybe you like being ignorant??? Hey, that's your business... Not mine...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 07:50 PM

hee hee hee. Wiener-Holder ticket. I love it!

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 07:00 PM

Oh, BTW the poll is stupid! Notice they didn't ask Democrats or Republicans what they thought of people OUTSIDE THEIR party.
just an attempt to bring nonsense issues, to cloud the matter!

OH!!! and another thing, Yes, this sex thing may be bigger than you think!
The Anthony Wiener issue, has divided parts of the Obama Administration, as well. Some of his closest cabinet members, are thinking of challenging him in the primaries!! The Attorney General sides with the N.Y. congressman, and has the 'goods' on a lot of 'inside Obama stuff'. He has threatened to resign, and form an alliance with Wiener, to run!....It will be the Wiener-Holder ticket!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 05:16 PM

Balance the spending with federal income, or at least make an attempt.

No problem, PeeDee - all it would take is restoration of taxes on the wealthiest Americans to the 50% rate they paid during the Eisenhower administration, instead of the 18% they pay now, thanks to failed VooDoo Economics docterine.

The TeaPublicans could do that tomorrow.

Get after 'em, why don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 05:00 PM

Very well reasoned post, John P...

And pdq and I actually agree on Sharon Angle... She just didn't ever figure out that somethings that come into one's head should just stay the heck there and not in the public domain...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: pdq
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 04:47 PM

I also told a Sharon Angle supporter to tell her heroine to "shut up" about abortion and other social issues. If she couldn't do that, she should get lost.

Subject: RE: BS: The Tea Party a Terrorist Organization??
From: John P
Date: 17 Jun 11 - 04:42 PM

Sorry PDQ, as long as the Tea Party (and the rest of Republicans) try to force their social ideas down the throats of the rest of us, the subject is fair game. Yes, churches are involved with social issues, but so is the Tea Party. If you don't like it, take it up with them. This thread isn't about our economic system (I agree that our economy is screwed), it's about the Tea Party and whether or not they are a terrorist organization. In general, I think the "terrorist" label should be saved for more extreme activities, but trying to force me to live according to their religious principles is a form of terrorism, and is wildly unconstitutional as well. Showing up at political rallies with guns is a form of terrorism. Hurling racial and sexual epithets at Congresspeople is a form of terrorism. Many of us remember the 60s, when racial epithets and guns combined to make a lot of dead black people and civil rights workers.

The Tea Party claims to want to follow the Constitution, but all the evidence suggests they don't have a clue what it actually says. They claim to want "freedom", but they seem to be OK with decreasing or withholding freedom from anyone who isn't them.

Even on the economic front, their solutions are so childishly naive that it's frightening that they managed to get so many of their partisans into Congress. Yelling "STOP" isn't really a valid economic policy, nor is doing away with our ability to regulate the fatcats that caused the economic problems in the first place. I firmly believe that we should have a balanced budget, but trying to get there without adding new revenue just isn't going to work. When I pay more than 25% of my wages in taxes while billionaires and hugely profitable corporations pay nothing it means that there are huge sources of income that we're not using. Besides being terribly unfair.

Maybe the question shouldn't be whether or not they are a terrorist organization, but if they are a clueless organization.

Oh, and what kind of strangeness causes you to refer to me as "the poster" instead of using my name like everyone else does? Rather odd . . .