BS: Old Pocket Watches

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 26 Nov 12 - 12:44 PM

Several months ago I gave my Amish watchmaker some parts. In those parts was a totally whipped Hamilton 940. This is what he gave me back as a gift for my grandson. I don't even want to think of the hours he must have put into this watch. The back has an engraved steam train. all original. The movement I gave him was completely trashed out, corroded, broken staff a mess. this is what he did as a gift for me

I am touched deeply
front

back

inside

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 01:42 PM

Thanks so much Dan - I pick it up from Derek next Wednesday - I'll get it in the post to you on Thursday.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 12:20 PM

sure can Will, the balance staffs are tricky .. I mess with them but only on cheap watches.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Nov 12 - 07:51 AM

Dan - my Hamilton 978 is sticky - turns out the balance staff fitting is a little loose. My watchmender buddy is reluctant to mess with Hamiltons - can I send it to Mahlon via you for some TLC?

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Nov 12 - 01:38 PM

History of Omega Seamaster
http://www.omegamuseum.com/seamaster
The first models, 1948, were simple watches, self-winding but no frills. See illustration at Omega site .
The Model 300 was the first of the "professional" range of models.

The wikipedia article is inaccurate.

The Seamaster is modeled after watches produced for the British military in WW2.
I would like to find one of these.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 10:19 PM

Omega is still excellent. I had one of the chronometers that was taken to the moon, but I sold it.

For the past week I have been wearing an Omega Seamaster, which I picked up with another watch in the 1960s. Keeping time, but I should get it cleaned and resealed. Dunno its serial number or grade, I haven't seen its insides.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 08:46 PM

Zen
Omega's were top notch watches in the day ...superb timepieces.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,Guest, Zen minus cookie
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 08:28 PM

Apart from the 1790's chased gold and silver pocket watch I mentioned near the start of this thread, I was marvelling again today at the mid-1930s Omega stainless steel art deco model that is my everyday pocket watch and how it just keeps going on and on without losing even a few seconds per day.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 07:36 PM

You know me, Dan, my prices are too high for you.

I'll let you know when I get the new cases. The seller had a death in the family so he didn't get them in the mail until last week. I'll give it to you for "future considerations." Never know when I might need something.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 05:04 PM

Q
wanna sell the case? I have a 992B movement and I will have a glass back made so the back doesn't matter.

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 03:20 PM

My post got lost, just said no extra 18 cases.
I will have a 16 for 992B, that I am replacing. It has a name on the back, but otherwise a sound case.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 02:57 PM

Thanks guy I will get one off ebay ...

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 09:46 AM

Sorry, Dan, no, but you'd be welcome to it if I had.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 03:47 AM

Got a 16, Dan - but no 18 - sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 21 Nov 12 - 12:26 AM

Hey Guys
any of you have a spare size 18 case laying around that I can buy from ya. I need one for my 936

Q, Greg ?

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 03:13 PM

That is absolutely superb ... wow
love it

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 20 Nov 12 - 11:22 AM

And still they roll in... Bagged a UK Military watch with an Elgin movement which arrived today. The weird thing is, I can trace its history back to 2011. A guy named Ernie B from Albuquerque sold it to a guy named James from Battlefield, Mo - who sold it to a guy named Stuart in Scotland - who sold it to me! And here's the watch:

1942 British Military pocket watch with Elgin 954 Grade, Model 7 movement

Superb condition and runs like a dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 02:19 PM

Will the problem being a Hamilton collector, well I got lots of Hamilton parts but what I thought was Waltham I gave to Mahlon, he is a bit under the weather and I will ask him ... in the meantime check out
http://www.dashto.org   that guy has about everything ya need and cheap

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 04:24 AM

Many thanks Dan.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 07:16 PM

sorry Will you are right ... I have a look at my parts probably do have one
let you know
Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 07:15 PM

I don't think so Will notice the regulator screw next to the regulator, I think that is all it had on that model but I will check for you ... I think its complete

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 06:45 PM

Dan - just noticed that the Waltham Military watch is lacking a balance whip and screw:

Movement

Think Mahlon might be able to supply one? It's running fine, but I'd like to get that sorted.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 02:59 PM

Please don't credit me with watch repair knowledge. I was a complete failure at diagnosis and repair, so I give watches that need TLC to watchmakers.

936- Haven't looked it up, but watches from that company that have the number on the movement are priced higher than those that are without the number. In many cases, the movement has something extra that is lacking on the others.

Tha Ball movement looks good. A clean may be all that is needed. I don't have a 19j movement.

Silveroid swingout cases were recommended by some railroads because they were sturdy. The NAWCC site has something on that, I remember reading it some time ago. I have a couple of old RR watches in that casing, one of them with the Canadian Pacific shield and beaver on the movement. I have passed that one on to my older son.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:41 AM

I think this one Will .. my 936 is for Mahlon to do. They made several variations of the 936. I been trying to get all of them. This variation has the 936 listed on the movement so it is very interesting to me. I get it like new again.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:34 AM

That 936 looks to have some great potential, Dan - are you putting it together yourself? Brave man!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:23 AM

Well, it's winding OK - just a little sticky on the running. I'll get my watchman to give it a clean and checkover. If he has trouble with it, then I'll gladly send it to Mahlon via you.

The case rear has some engraving on it - a little faint now but still nice - and I don't have any other watches with swing-out cases. So I'll have a ponder on a Silveroid...

And thanks again for all your advice and help. Greatly appreciated.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:06 AM

Will
send it to Mahlon, he will make it purr for you. I can tell him its from you ... my guess around 80-100 bucks tops as I can find the parts for you free if the Ps bartlett works. I can give him a case to case it for you, then I can send it back to you

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:58 AM

its an 18, find out if the gears from a 18 Waltham PS Bartlett will fix. I have an absolutely beautiful movement I can give you if they work.

here is my latest, it is all there and I have a flawless dial for it. Now to put it together. all original

936

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:50 AM

Just about 45mm across the dial diameter - sounds like an 18 to me...

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:50 AM

Hey Q
do you think the clutch is bad on the Ball also?

Q would know a lot more than me, he fixed his own watches

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:48 AM

Just looked I don't have any Ball parts, however ask your watchmaker if the winding gear is a Waltham like off a riverside or Ps Bartlett. I will aslo ask Mahlon when I see him. If so we got one ... Now it took a good smack. I bet the balance staff is whipped .. should be no issue

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 09:39 AM

winding wheel, easy fix Will
holy cow the ball's of any flavor are hard to find

what a great watch is it size 16 or 18? I have a heavy duty RR case silveroid for it

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:00 AM

Just noticed - there's a small knurled wheel underneath the winding crown. Any info on this?

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 06:56 AM

Just picked up a cheap Ball-Waltham at an auction - swing-out case - from around 1920. A few hairlines and it needs a good clean, but a nice looker...

Ball-Waltham face

Ball-Waltham movement

Looking forward to the Vanguard in mid-December, by the way - haven't forgotten you, Dan...

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 04:22 PM

I saw it I was going to bid but you go after it my brother .. now here is something ... the guy said he would sell it to me if it didn't go over 200   so you may want to hold off. If the one with the broken balance staff (I can fix it got lots of em) doesn't get his amt, he will sell it to me .. which means its yours. I got one in parts that just needs assembled .. gonna try that myself ... however I have a master looking over my shoulder when I do this winter. So you may want to watch that one

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 04:01 PM

Would you believe it - there are 2 Hamilton 4992B black dial military pocket watches for auction over here - one on eBay and one at an online auction house... which to go for... or both... OMG - decisions! decisions!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 03:32 PM

Thanx also, Q.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 03:31 PM

Like I said, Dan, I know its worth it, but I gotta save my pennies for the turnips.

Only wear a wristwatch when I can't wear a vest & the pants don't have a watch pocket.

Don't knock yourself out looking.

Best,

Greg

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 01:54 PM

24 Jeweled is well worth that but I hear ya. I will poke around, I am good at finding stuff .. maybe I can run across a momvent

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 01:28 PM

Straying again from pocket watches, my Swiss Bulova, RR certified in Canada, RR9362Q, keeps near-perfect time after 15 years. Should be cleaned.
They sold for $80 retail, one of the best quartz watches ever made and worth hunting for. The Canadian model has the 24 hour dial.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 01:21 PM

If that Omega is in good condition, $250 is a bargain. I have a Seamaster that I picked up in a household auction. Needs cleaning and re-sealing, not cheap. Probably the 21j, but 23j and 24j, I think, were added for advertizing clout.

Rolex, is a competitor with a more expensive watch, but I doubt that it is really all that much better.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:50 PM

Hi, Dan -

That 24J Omega seamaster is now over $250- no doubt worth it, but not to me. ;>)

Ok, well - so it goes & thanks for the tip.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:57 AM

more history, we shipped a lot of them to England in WWII. Monty's tank crew carried those Walthams. After the war they were all returned or recased for civilian use or just lost in history. Hard to find an all original one like yours. I am jealous

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:44 AM

Will
I have a crap load of parts for that also, if you ever have trouble just drop me a line. I got what ya need. Great find. Looking at my military book, you movement case, hands , dial the whole nine ... absolutely all original not one that was pieced together from spares like on ebay.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:35 AM

by the way , that was one hell of an accurate movement. Don't be fooled by the 17 J ... remember a watch is fully jeweled at 17. It is all about the movement. don't believe me, look up the Nawcc discussions on jewels and movements. Now the navigation 4992b has a hacking mechanism. See the sweep hand also ... They are 1000 bucks. Mahlon been wanted to put mine together for me. I want to tackle it myself (ambitious project to say the least at my skill level)

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:31 AM

tank commanders carried them also Will

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 10:30 AM

Wow you did good Will, those things are darn hard to find, most are pieced together, yours is all original. Now that one is not an aviator, it was typically used by artillery commanders in WWII. Standard issue 17J. They are just so hard to find. The on coming up for auction is the holy grail. That is a Army Air corps navigation 22J. I have one but I need to assemble it ... going to be a project ... dang I need to invest in some tools

Wow you did good

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 06:46 AM

Here's another military watch - a Hamilton - coming up for auction shortly...

4992B

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Nov 12 - 05:42 AM

I picked up the Waltham Military watch this morning. Here are some pics (the sellers, not mine):

Face 1

Face 2

Movement 1

Movement 2

Case inner

Case outer

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 12 - 01:55 PM

sorry its 22Jeweled not 21 Jeweled the 4992b's were 22J for the military my uncle carried one in WWII as a fighter pilot