BS: Old Pocket Watches

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:05 PM

Your right Q ... South Bend .. I always get that one confused

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:59 AM

I've put my watch pics on Photobucket - so let's see if that 925 with the new face displays properly...

Hamilton 925 face

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 04:32 PM

The Studebaker and 411, 429 were made in the South Bend Watch Company plant in South Bend, Indiana.

Watch cases were made for this model by several companies, including the Illinois Watch Case Company of Elgin, Illinois. Confusion arises because of the name of this company

The watch was never produced in the Illinois Watch Company plant in Springfield, Illinois.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 01:22 PM

I just got back from the watchmaker an Omega Seamaster that I picked up at a local auction years ago, but never had serviced.
It is the caliber 503, 19-20 jewel, with a serial number that puts it at 1958-1959. Stainless steel with date, replacement band.
Wearing it and it is running well.
I now have six Seamasters, one needs service.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 08:13 PM

wind er up GNU there is nothing you can hurt on it that I can't have fixed

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 08:12 PM

Studebaker model, 21j fine watch for sure. Made by Illinois I believe. They did make some RR models also .. they are very sought after watches.

Mahlon repaired my Hamilton 934 and my Hamilton 996 .. Now I have to get him to restore my Hamilton 990

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 07:36 PM

Didn't see, I had to register or some such.

A few months back, I mentioned a South Bend pocket watch, size 12. I had bought it at a watch club, small, thin, light and a good runner.
I couldn't get the back off, but last week my daughter looked at it and with some patented gloves she had, was able to get the back off.
I had been afraid that my efforts would break the crystal.

It is the Studebaker model, 21j, adj. to 8 positions, "extra thin." In excellent condition with a clean GF case, "25 year."

Not RR acceptable, but a nice little watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: gnu
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 03:37 PM

I tried to look at that, Will, and was told I would be advised by email if I was granted access to look at it.

Dan... as you know, I showed of the watch you sent me to Amos and his cousin. They liked it.

BTW... I DTILL haven't wound it. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 09:50 AM

awesome Will

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 Aug 13 - 11:30 AM

Dan - I found a nice face for the 925 you gave me some time ago. Had it fitted this morning. Here's what it looks like:

Hamilton 925 face

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 07:21 PM

I found an Omega 661 on ebay, This is the smallest ever industrial manufactured automatic movement. Dia. 15.0mm
Manufactured 1961-1973.
661 is 24j, 660 is 17j.
The watch is a rather slim rectangle, 21x40mm. Supposedly in good running condition, 1963, "Hesalite" crystal.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 10:41 AM

Q
your watch will go out monday sorry for the delay I will mail when I get back home my brother

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 04:35 AM

Still checkin in from time to time. Love the pics, especially when movements are included.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:43 PM

Between 1972-1980. Omega movements were also sold under the Tissot name.
These are Tissot 2451-2481.
Tissot 2481 is equivalent to Omega 1481 (automatic. 21-24j, date quickset).

I couldn't find Omega movements sold under other brand names.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM

Money sent.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:47 PM

Olddude, I will paypal the 200 to you in the next couple of days. I will look forward to receiving it.

I have sent an Omega seamaster automatic to my watchmaker. Had it for years, and never opened it. I think I have mentioned it before. I am looking forward to finding out its caliber.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:31 PM

Damn! wrong movement URL. Here we go...

Elgin Grade 683 from 1953 - movement

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:29 PM

Looking forward to it Dan! I picked up a neat Elgin wristwatch from 1953 recently. Was convinced it would be a Swiss movement - but no - Elgin USA 1953!

Elgin Grade 683 from 1953

Elgin Grade 683 from 1953 - movement

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:26 PM

Oh Q, I just gave my brother my 1021 Omega. Mahlon fixed it all up for me and he wanted it so I said here.

I got the Hamilton Turner back the 1935 one. It is mint if you still want it just let me know,

Will
I went to a flea market, got a 17 Jeweled Waltham, 21 Jeweled Bulova, 17 Jewel Baron, and an 17 Jeweled Elgin. All automatic wrist watches, from 60's all near mint. the lady said they were her dad's and he worked on watches. No kidding everyone is right on time and not a scratch on the dials or crystals. What a find. Have to give you guys a pic

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:16 PM

I've been bitten by the Roamer bug - much cheaper than Omega but a temptation to buy everything in sight!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:09 PM

Somehow I have been bitten by the vintage Omega bug. It is a dangerous infection.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:05 PM

Very close to my 1022 in type, just cleaned by my watchmaker.
I was also lucky to get one with the original bracelet and crown, and cleaned but nor restored dial. Both are day-date. The 1022 is a little later, adding a few extra jewels.

1020- 17 jewels
1022- 23 jewels (after c. 1975)

The family (1972-1984) consists of numbers 1010-1022; plus manual wind 1030 and 1035, both 17 jewel. 1011 and 1021 were issued as chronometer (COSC testing).

I would like to find a good 1021 or 1011.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 09:39 PM

Just picked up a nice all original 1020 Omega automatic. Original with original band runs awesome

1020

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:52 PM

Yup should have shown you the movement. Q, Mahlon also finish the COA on the Hamilton Turner. It was running just a bit fast so he is going to re-time it. Let you know. I spent the day with him yesterday. Lots of fun going around the antique shopping mall looking for watches. Found nothing but he had to go to that town anyway for some sugar for canning. I said hey I will drive you. We had a blast. The hamilton turner he said is mint and it is

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:28 PM

My Canadian 992B has the identical dial, but the figures 13-24 are in red. Mine is c. 1944.

Interesting note from NAWCC:
Around ser. C130,000 the design on the winding wheels changed from circular rings to swirl or smooth pattern.

The gold center wheel changed from gold to another composition around C118,000.

Dates (approx. range)
1941- C40,000
1942- C60,000
1943- C90,000
1944- C120,000
1946- C170,000

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:46 PM

Pretty slick, Dan. Good on ya!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:39 PM

very scarce 1942 Original Canadian 992b in a Canadian sturdy case with original Canadian dial. They are very hard to find as all of the Hamilton watches went to the military that were grade 992b or 4992b very few for the civilian market as this is. Mahlon just did a full Coa and replaced the balance staff. Perfect time keeper. Case has had a hard life but fully functional

992b

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 07:38 PM

Q
only after Mahlon makes it perfect, needs oiled I can see it losing time so I want it perfect for you

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 04:50 PM

Yes, 'twas I, Q - I have 3 Wittnauer wristwatches, all from the 1940s, and very nice they are too. Good movements and attractive faces - just like a few women I've known...

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 03:27 PM

I think it was Will Fly who mentioned Wittnauer watches a while back. I ran across a thread by a fellow selling a lot of watches he had reconditioned, and he had a number of Wittnauers.
Some very attractive watches!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 03:11 PM

Yep, I'll take it for sure.
I'll send you an email, asking best way to pay you, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 11:13 AM

Hey Q
do you want my Hamilton Turner for 200 bucks after Mahlon services it.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:50 PM

diamond still the best but way way too expensive

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:49 PM

semi-friction balance jewelling - synthetic jewels instead of the normal ruby or diamond. Wathmakers really don't want the true ruby as much for they break much faster. Most seitz jewels you see are synthetic except for the very old ones

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:09 PM

The 982, according to what I could find, was produced from 1935 to 1952 (with modifications during and following WW2.

770 from 1956 to 1969.

987 from 1924 to 1948, but with variations. The first (to 1929) had semi-friction balance jewelling. Them an improved version with improved friction jewelling for the wheel train was introduced.
Now don't ask me to explain that, but go to our old friend google to find http://vintage-hamilton-wristwatches.com/2012/10/hamilton-987-movement-variations....., by Tom Adelstein. The article gives clear pictures of the models.
Adelstein considers his 1938 Martin a bargain, compared "to $5000 + wristwatches made and sold today."

From the Price Guide-
Martin, c. 1941, gold-filled coral (rare) $125-$225. Gold filled yellow $75-$125.
This and all other models are in demand, so expect a good one to sell for at least three times these 2011 catalogue prices.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:20 AM

982 Q

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 11:09 PM

1300

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 09:51 PM

olddude, looks like the Custer, 1935-1936, but the illus. I have seen are poor. I presume a 982?

That coral center is nice, I thought they used yellow only.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 08:42 AM

I have a similar model from the 1940s - squarer in shape but with the same rose-pink dial. They're great watches, and getting harder to find for a reasonable price over here.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:26 AM

another view of it
1937

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 02 Jul 13 - 12:23 AM

Here is one other I have. I forget the model it is tanglewood or something like that beautiful watch

1937

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 10:16 PM

I wonder- get all the parts together, and you probably could get a 565 in "running" condition for less.
I have a 565 with a bubble window for the date. A pretty watch and not as big as the 1022 and those later calibers.

But $75 for a parts movement isn't bad a tall a tall.

I decided to pick up a few Hamilton wrist watches. So far, I have 1 770 22j and a 982 19j.
Now I want one of those 1930s like you have.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 09:40 PM

I nail a very very nice seamaster 565 24 Jeweled movement complete for 75 bucks for backup parts. Hell one small part is a 100 bucks. But now I am torn. I should probably get a case, dial, stem and hands as it would make a fine runner. But I will probably part it for my 565.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 04:13 PM

yes 770 is the one to have I agree

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jul 13 - 03:25 PM

I may be wrong, but I think one of the Hamilton wrist movements worth having is the 770 22j, their last USA top movement. Look for the Hamilton logo on the crown, and check for USA case.

Some collectors accuse the company of "gilding the lily," as jewels over 19 add little to the quality of the movement. Nevertheless, it is a fine, round movement.

Prices are all over the place, but hunting should find a clean, running watch under $200.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 03:39 PM

Q
I got it from one of the big NAWCC Hamilton Collectors

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 01:52 PM

olddude, ignore my last post.
The "Price Guide shows two "Turner designs. One has the angled sides, like yours, dated c. 1936.
A second "Turner" has almost straight sides (no angle), dated c. 1953; it is the one that looks like the "Donald" c. 1941.

Two different "Turner" shapes confused me. Your photo is of a design close to the 1930s "Turner" and probably was the same design but with a dial variant.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 01:23 PM

That $40 dollar Seiko automatic (21j) is keeping perfect time. I have to learn the dates in French- Today is DOM .

The "Turner" illustrated in the Engle "Price Guide" has Arabic numerals. But if your watch is depression era, it probably is the "Donald." The "Turner" is c. 1950. You can't kill a good design!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 30 Jun 13 - 09:53 AM

Yes but they issued the Turner with Arabic numerals also.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 13 - 12:49 PM

Hamilton probably issued more design variations than any other company.
Some, like the Turner are excellent. I agree that the depression era watches of Hamilton are "classic" - and few show up on eBay. Some (Cambridge) are very expensive, it looks like the Turner, but has Arabic numerals.

Yes, I think a name change is a good idea.