BS: Old Pocket Watches

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 May 13 - 09:18 PM

no you will not have to Q, I will tell him to mark it gift when he ships it back or I will mark it

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,Calum
Date: 20 May 13 - 03:21 PM

Thanks olddude,

For what it's worth the hallmarks on the case seem to definitely be Swiss silver, but as you say a very English style case.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 May 13 - 02:18 PM

I have a Chinese watch, 27 jewel, automatic, with calendar and stopwatch functions, and it runs well.
The movement is probably similar to that in some of the Rolex-etc. knockoffs.
Amazing what is done in modern mass production plants.

I think I posted about it before, clunky and the function knobs get pushed by shirtsleeves. But not bad for under $100.

I am thinking about posting that Omega to you. The postage/insurance will be a bit high, and I will have to pay Canadian sales tax on the repair.
I'll let you know soon. I will get an estimate from my watchmaker here. He has received enough work from me that he won't mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 20 May 13 - 02:05 PM

Calum
that is a beautiful watch. The movement to my eye looks quality also. Swiss I think I don't believe it is English. Case is however .. that is not unusual at all ... wonderful family piece

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 20 May 13 - 02:04 PM

Q
I just bought one like it ... it comes right from China, like my rolex LOL

Mahlon said he will fix up your Omega's cheap as you are a good friend to me. Just picked up my seamaster 1110 perfect running now. I dropped it and blew a balance staff. Tried to pay him and he booted me out of the shop.   I have to learn not to argue with my Amish friends they always win ... I will get him back

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 20 May 13 - 02:00 PM

so I get my watch today, go over to Mahlon roll up my sleeve and he goes. Wow where did you get that really bad Chinese fake Rolex .. LOL

it does run and keep time however, lucky she did not pay much for it,

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 May 13 - 02:22 PM

olddude, this is a must for your collection.
Breguet tourbillon chronograph, in stock at the Watchery for $130,626, on sale! This is their type XX.

The offer says that Breguets were supplied to American pilots starting in 1918.
Anyone know about this?

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,Calum
Date: 17 May 13 - 05:16 PM

Thanks, Q. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they are good quality pieces - my grandfather's family were Navy men back to Nelson and beyond, and they tended to buy things that would last. Someone recently pointed out to us that a set of twelve chairs we've had kicking around the house since forever are in fact George III vintage. Not a dab of glue or a screw in sight and they're as tight as a drum.

Yes, I can't see me wanting to move them on but it's worth knowing how to look after them and whether or not to insure them! I'll find someone to take a closer look - shouldn't be hard to find someone in London.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 May 13 - 03:07 PM

Calum, the pictures seem to show a lever-set watch. Another sign of a better watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 May 13 - 03:00 PM

Calum-
The Swiss stop watch looks like a good quality instrument.

The half-hunter pocket watch has set jewels, and the movement seems un-rusted. The dial is in good condition and looks like porcelain finish. It too, looks like a good watch- not the very expensive, but good quality. Some smaller maker's watches did nor have trademark names, but the watchmakers name or initials are usually on them. Another possibility is that the watch was cased by a dealer, who obtained the movements separately.

In any case, BOTH look worth taking to a watch repair, and finding out more about them. They are not cheapies, and seem worthy of repair. Something you might want to keep as family items.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,Calum
Date: 17 May 13 - 02:30 PM

Thanks very much, all. Apologies in advance for the dreadful and oversized pictures - all the quality a cellphone can produce.

http://www.callingthetune.co.uk/watch/

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 May 13 - 01:04 PM

Thanks, that is a super price for a 565. I have one, but date only.

I also have a 1022 that needs service, and a "mystery" Seamaster auto (haven't opened it) that I picked up long ago with another watch. It is about 1960s vintage.

I don't want another Omega, but thanks.

I have 3-4 watches that need service, and I will concentrate on those, getting them up to snuff

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 May 13 - 12:55 PM

Doug is correct, the case and bracelet are wrong. The crown and *"pushy pins" are not Rolex designs that I can find.
When you get it, please post pictures of the movement.

* My daughter's term. I like it!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 10:40 AM

It is possible that someone put an original movement in an after market case. Even so the knocks offs can be expensive and it looks like a beautiful watch. I will cherish it cause my kid got it for me

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 09:45 AM

I didn't get it yet, she mailed it but the movement will tell me for sure. Doug says the case and bracelet is not correct .. I guess it is possible it was recased but I will see when I can pop open the movment

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 May 13 - 04:27 AM

Interesting about the Rolex, Dan - what are the reasons for the conclusions about it being a knock-off? I know very little about Rolex watches, so I'm curious to know what one should look for.

I know with Omega, for example, that the style of the case, the crown, the dial - all have some bearing on whether it's an original, a refurb or a fake. Do the same things go for Rolex? And, of course, there's the movement...

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 02:49 AM

Doug thinks it is a knock off. he should know. Lucky she did not pay a lot for it ... Oh well back to collecting

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 01:21 AM

I think she nuts up my collecting .. now what do I shoot for gosh

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 01:20 AM

steel case needs polished but it will be perfect when I am done
back

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 12:57 AM

it needs serviced but Mahlon is certified to work on Rolex. He said no issue he wants to work on it really bad. I guess I am now done for I don't think I will need another.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 12:46 AM

Rolex Original 3135 Automatic Mechanical Movement
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3
4

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 17 May 13 - 12:36 AM

hey check out this little ditty my daughter bought me
itsreal

Hey Q do you want my 565 Omega for 250 bucks?

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 16 May 13 - 03:21 PM

just noticed I need to set the date

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 16 May 13 - 03:16 PM

565

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 15 May 13 - 11:20 PM

Wills 601 is absolutely mint but the 565 sure came out beautiful also. The 1110 is at Mahlons getting a full Coa (going to sell it) That one has a square dial. Beautiful watch

The 1120 is fine, I will get it serviced when I get time. I never wear it and I will probably sell it. The only two I want is Wills 601 and the 565

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 15 May 13 - 11:17 PM

This is my seamaster collection so far
1966 24 Jeweled 565 auto with date
1967 17 Jeweled 601 manual wind
1972 21 Jeweled 1110 auto with date
1971 17 Jeweled 1120 auto with date

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 May 13 - 07:28 PM

Guest Calum-
Give us all the words you can read on your watch and stopwatch and we will try to help.
If the back of the watch unscrews or comes off easily, give us all the words you find on the movement.

Be careful, some of the older English watches are easily damaged (or any watch, for that matter).

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 15 May 13 - 05:52 PM

Hey Q
my date was sticking on my latest seamaster. A simple drop of oil fixed it just fine. I suspect that is your problem on yours

dan

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 15 May 13 - 05:09 PM

sure just take a pic and we can let you know.

Q my 21 Jeweled seamaster is 1972. My lastest the steel cased 24 Jeweled is 1966

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,Calum
Date: 15 May 13 - 04:30 PM

Since this seems to be a knowledgeable place to ask - I inherited a pocket watch and pocket stopwatch from my grandfather. I don't think they're old or valuable, but I don't know how to even begin finding out. One is silver hallmarked, so it's got some scrap value at least!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 May 13 - 02:18 PM

Omega serial numbers:

http://chronomaddox.com/omega_serial_numbers.html

Accurate to 2 years either way.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 May 13 - 01:55 PM

Sorry, I misread a 3 for a 5 in the serial number. the 30,000,000 numbers are 1970s.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 May 13 - 01:49 PM

The 565 was made into the 50,800,000 numbers, which brings it up to 1986.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 May 13 - 12:37 PM

Omega made a fine watch that was affordable to those who wanted something better than the cheapies of the day, but could not afford Patek Philipe or Vacheron Constantin.
As a result they carved out an important niche for themselves.

Clever advertising and upgraded models made Rolex a leader in a higher price range. Experts I know prefer Rolex, but they don't knock Omega's better calibres.

Collectors go for the pre-Swatch Omegas.

Rolex put out passable or so-so watches before a shift in philosophy and factory upgrade led to the fine watches that they produce today. I have a couple of these early ones (often sold under store names) but none of the fine ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 15 May 13 - 11:11 AM

thanks Will, the one you got me is still my favorite

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 15 May 13 - 04:28 AM

That really has come up well, Dan - looks gorgeous.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 14 May 13 - 10:02 PM

I should say made since Omega was bought out by swatch 25 years ago. The 50's and 60's and 70's flavor of the seamaster is the ones I think you should focus on if you plan on getting one. If you find one that needs work Mahlon is a master on them and has a lot of parts as long as they are the standard stuff

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 14 May 13 - 10:00 PM

I am convinced that omega makes the best wrist watches ever made. That 565 is keeping 992B time

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 13 May 13 - 10:32 PM

bad lighting it is steel but the light on my cell phone made it look gold colored. But it cleaned up beautiful
565

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 13 May 13 - 09:16 PM

still goo goo over this Seamaster 565 ... absolutly beautiful after buffing and it has not lost a sec since I strapped it on

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 13 May 13 - 12:43 PM

Will
that is an awesome watch ... love it.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 13 May 13 - 12:42 PM

Mahlon said he can handle it no issue ... however if it needs a part we may have to look for one
Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 May 13 - 12:17 PM

Nice looking watch. In a drawer I have an old Bulova "Curvex" that belonged to my father. along with a pocket watch.
It lacks a crystal and doesn't run, but I will have to dig it out and see if it is restorable.

Olddude, any response from Mahlon on difficulty and cost of repair of day-date function on Omega automatic?

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 13 May 13 - 11:33 AM

Here's my new Gruen Curvex "Precision" from 1950...

Gruen Curvex "Precision" 1950

All fully restored by a German watchmaker - wonderful curved body and huge domed glass - and keeps spot on time so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 13 May 13 - 11:20 AM

The omega 565 looks like new after a mild buffing .. Wow ... I think it is a keeper since it is dead on accurate

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 11 May 13 - 05:08 PM

Thanks Q, that is very useful to know there is a link. I really didn't need another seamaster but at 200 bucks I could not resist. Mahlon will buff it up for me

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 May 13 - 01:31 PM

For anyone who is confused about Omega Seamaster calibres, there is a near complete listing, and parts list, at this site:

http://www.omega-fanatic.com/pages/gallery/omega-caliber-47032.

Many offers on Ebay omit the caliber because they can't open the watch (messes up the watrproofing in any case, if you are interested in that).

Many Omegas were produced, so prices are low in the price lists except for exceptional, mint or rare models. Some (many?) of the prices listed on Ebay are excessive.

Collectors seem to prefer plain steel over plated, because they can be buffed to remove minute scratches. (see olddude's).

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 May 13 - 04:01 AM

Nice Seamaster, Dan - show us a pic of the buffed-up face at some stage.

I'd also noticed that the Vanguard seconds dial was actually quite deeply countersunk - hadn't realised that was so significant though!

The watch is keeping fantastic time - to the second - not bad for 1901...

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 13 - 08:17 PM

Q you are right on the 945's they are scarce. They were American made by Hamilton however, they also kept the same line when Hamilton was bought out by the Swiss. If it is from the 50's it is American and well worth the cost if you can nail it under 200. Over that i would invest my money in a seamaster

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 10 May 13 - 08:14 PM

Will see the recessed second hand dial on your Waltham. It is counter sunk. That is original painted dial from the date of the watch. Perfect and original. The la-rose replacement painted dials were not counter sunk.