 sj |
||
|
||
BS: Old Pocket Watches
|
|
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:40 PM Love it , that is a great car |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:07 PM Dan, did you see the photos of our old Packard? |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 04 Nov 10 - 07:36 PM The 1857 watch my coworker has is Wm Ellery. He gave me some photos of it. If you'd like to see them, let me know and I'll email them to you. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 04 Nov 10 - 06:23 PM Captain Molinja slimline 18 Jewels ... rolex copy guts. The Russians made some great watches for daily carry. Q you are right, ya gotta tear them apart ... which is were my |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 04 Nov 10 - 03:56 PM It's such a shame, this is a beautiful watch and I would hate to "Throw it into a drawer and forget it." I'll let Jacqui take it to Old Blighty when she goes next month. Dan, I got the new one today and it is running like a clock. I can't make out the name but there are the initials cccp which tell me it is Russian. Thanks again my friend. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Nov 10 - 02:21 PM A good watch service involves dis-assembling the watch. Impossible to do it by dipping the watch! I still have my ultrasonic cleaner and equipment, when I did some of my own cleaning. There were a couple of local watchmakers, and they did the reassembly, jewel replacement and parts making, etc. because I was too much the amateur to do it properly myself. They gave me advice but I wasn't very coordinated and had too little time to work on the movements properly. If you aren't willing to pay for good service, throw the watch in a drawer and forget it. There are a number of service watchmakers that your watch can be sent to, if no-one in your area is capable- check with your local or state Nawcc club; they will have recomendations. A couple that will do watches sent in- Scott A. Ekleberry- (Ohio) http://www.itsabouttimeonline.com/mechanical_watches.htm. He does wrist- and pocket-watches. His website gives rough estimates for different types of watches. Another (but long wait) Douglas Stewart Renaissance Watch Repair (Washington). Est. $25 plus shipping and insurance. info@pocketwatchrepair.com Pocket watches only. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 04 Nov 10 - 11:18 AM An old timer technique, I don't advise it but I have done it many times. The cleaning the old timers used was napa contained in high amounts found in lighter fluid. I would take the crystal off , the back off and give it a shot. It will completely darken the face of the watch ... no worries .. once the fluid dries it goes back to its original condition. A better approach is Helga kitty when Jacqui goes over the pond but you can try this ... Pisses me off however, I paid that Jeweler to clean it ... Some of the newfangled cleaning is not done right. They buy these electrostatic machines that use a solution that cleans and oils at the same time. Yes they work great, but if they don't take the time to pull the mainspring it gets sticky ... hence this stuff. He may have done that, I am only speculating or he took my money and did nothing. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,kendall Date: 04 Nov 10 - 10:41 AM Watch repair shops have gone with the Dodo. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:50 AM I paid the guy to clean that thing, it is obvious that he did not Kendall. That is a classic "I need Cleaning" condition. Crap ... That should not be expensive as no repairs are needed since I know the watch. See if there is a shop near you ... get an estimate ... |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: GUEST,kendall Date: 04 Nov 10 - 08:12 AM This Elgin is giving me fits! It ran all night suspended from its chain, now when I laid it on its back it wouldn't do anything. Hmmm, I had a wife like that. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 03 Nov 10 - 11:27 PM That 1856 watch is sure a thing of beauty regardless. Those key winds were something special. I had a very old one myself but sold it many years ago ... however mine was coin silver not gold ... Oh the history .. amazing |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:58 PM Whoops, left out a word in the first sentence. It should read "I'm NOT saying he owned a McCabe." |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:53 PM I'm saying he owned a McCabe. I'm saying that my buddy says that the watch he has is supposed to be the same type as Lincoln's. I don't remember what type it was. I'll have to ask him. I'm just showing the one above because it's purty. It's not what my buddy has. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:46 PM That watch, made by J. McCabe, London, presented to Capt. Enright, belongs to the Horology collection, Museum Victoria Australia. Did your coworker purloin it? Lincoln, by the way, never owned a McCabe watch. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:45 PM Dan is one of a kind alright. My Elgin is running as long as it is in the upright position. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Art Thieme Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:42 PM Mudcatters, I was just reminded that this thread is active. Perfect timing!! A week or so ago Dan (Old-Dude) sent me a 1883 Waltham railroaders watch. What a beauty; keeps perfect time--as long as I remember to wind it up every 12 hours or so. Using it makes me feel like I'm connected with the old timers who made their runs on time. All the scoring is just about completely worn off the winding knob from over 130 years of use. I think I might take it to a jeweler I know in town to get those ridges re-ground back on to the winder--if it is possible. My hands are terribly numb from MS now --- sort of as if I had oil all over my hands. Dan, again, thanks so very much! I truly appreciate your kindness and generosity. Art |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:34 PM Check out this 1856 beauty I have a coworker whose dad was a watchmaker from Germany. He has an 1857 pocket watch that keys up. He says it's suppposedly the same kind that Lincoln owned. It doesn't work and he can't afford to fix it. I said I'd pay to fix it bought if only he sold it to me which he refuses to do. His wife wants to sell it because they need the money but he can't get much for it broken. Looks like it just needs a new main spring. I'd get that thing running in no time. Damn, I'd love to have it. He has some nice turn of the century railroad watches too. Won't sell those either. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:13 PM Dan, Jacqui is going to send some photos of Lady Beatrice via e mail. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 03 Nov 10 - 06:21 PM Speed limits are set by the states. Much of the mountain west is 75. A small portion of Texas has an 85mph limit. A good place for speed cops was just outside Houston, Texas. On the major metropolitan freeways, speeds of 70-80 were allowed, but this stopped abruptly where the county took over. But as I noted it is 'image' that determines the buying pattern. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 03 Nov 10 - 04:45 PM I want a picture of that Car ... I love em !! |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 10 - 04:33 PM The speed limit is 65 all over the country. My 1937 Packard will do that all day. (100 hp). |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 03 Nov 10 - 03:09 PM Well, Kendall, if I was rich, I would have bought a Lamborghini rather than a Jeep. Image, you know! And to digress, I was looking at a Canadian slick mens magazine (Sharp) yesterday. Advertisements for the Mercedes, and the Cadillac, both featuring a new model in full-color, showed sporty examples that have 500 or so horsepower and can hit 60 miles an hour in under 4 seconds. This is much better than the muscle cars of the 60s that are sought by collectors. Gasoline economy? Who cares if one can afford "the very best." (A feature article was about the Bugatti Veyron, which has 1000 horsepower). |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 10 - 02:42 PM I just don't understand the attraction to a Rolex, or any of those overprices watches. They are like new cars, no personality compared to the old RR watches. My cell phone tells me what the date is and it tells me the time to the split second. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 03 Nov 10 - 02:17 PM A new Rolex Datejust costs about $7000. Watches with complications of course higher. My daughter-in-law, a physician who spends a lot of time in a hospital as well as her clinic, has two watches- a Rolex mechanical she wears when she is in the hospital and clinic, and a Timex when she is in the hills, etc. Quartz (and the atomic type which is always correct) sometimes go nuts around some of the high-powered medical equipment now in use. Of course, equipment with strong magnets can sensitize mechanical watches, but doctors wear Rolex- it goes with the image (and they can afford it). Me, I collected a few old American classics, but at my age I no longer add to what I already have. Sometimes wished for a Patek Philippe or a Rolex, but my money had to go elsewhere- and yes, my wife would have used the rolling pin on me. I was an Nawcc for a short while, but quit. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:35 PM A great quote from Art Thieme "when you hold one of these things, the past, the present and the future all come together in one place" How very true. Long after we are gone, our kids will see it run. How many people in the past were kept safe on a train, or look at it when their child was born. And today, it tells me "get your arse back to work" LOL |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:27 PM Captain The finest mechanical watch pocket or wrist watch ever made could never match the accuracy of the cheapest quartz watch that one throws away when broken. We are talking springs and gears and levers vs a quartz crystal and battery pulse for time keeping. But pocket watches are way-y-y-y cooler and have the history. In addition one never needs to tear them apart and clean and oil and demagnetize. We pay the price for carrying history in our pocket for sure |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 03 Nov 10 - 12:17 PM ////josepp you have obviously never played an Apollo guitar.//// How did you know? HOW DID YOU KNOW????????? |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 03 Nov 10 - 08:22 AM 85 bucks to fix my 940, yup called me early this morning.. don't drop your watch. Jewels crack pretty easy ... dang .. got to start using a chain more |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 03 Nov 10 - 08:20 AM OK Captain, now, put the crystal back in .. but don't do it from the backside, it snaps into place from the front of the watch ok ... so looking at the watch, snap the crystal back into place in the ring from the very front of the watch facing you .. this keeps it away from the hands. If the crystal presses on the hands or even slightly touches it, it will stop. I did the same thing with my 992. Once I put the crystal in from the front. You will here it pop in, gentle pressure, ran perfect as it was no longer pressing on any hands ... give that a try and wind er up |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 03 Nov 10 - 08:03 AM Sure did Captain, I think that was the problem all along, fully wind it today and see what happens great news |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:52 AM Dan, this old Elgin has run all night suspended with the back and the crystal off. This is crazy making. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 03 Nov 10 - 07:50 AM josepp you have obviously never played an Apollo guitar. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 02 Nov 10 - 11:57 PM Ever read WatchTime magazine? It has all the latest high quality timepieces in them, mainly wristwatches. The Richard Mille Cailver RM 025 is a super facny piece of work and only $565,000. Yes, you read that right! Vachero Constantin's maki-e series features faces and backs of real Japanese lacquerware sprinkled with gold of silver dust to depict cranes, plum trees and nightingales by Zohiko, an old lacquering company from 1661. Maki-e is a set of three and apparently aren't dols separately. Each is $80,000 so the set is $240,000. There is a Clef du Temps watch for $390,000. It's from France. Want a cheaper one? Try the Radiomir Composite Marina Miltaire 8 for only $14,900. Piguet's The Royal Oak Equation of Time watch is only $98,600 in gold. The stainless steel model is a steal at a mmere $75,800. You can grab a Cartier Astroturbillon for $133,000 in white gold or settle for a rose one at $124,000. Now, I love the Jaeger-LeCoulture Master Grande Tradition Grande Complication watch. You have to see the dial face to believe how beautiful and complex it is. And all mine for only $350,000!! But, I don't know, maybe I'd go with the Robert Dubuis Excalibur for only $545,000 in platinum. And you don't want to know what the Swiss watches cost--believe me. So, as I said, the Western watches tend to be somewhat more pricey that the Asian watches. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 02 Nov 10 - 10:13 PM The Hubert? Oh, sure! But the reason you get them so cheap is that they come from Asia. If they were actually made in Paris--good christ--I shudder to think of what you'd pay for the same quality. The Hubert watches are beautiful!! Buy one and tell me I'm wrong. They're gorgeous, keep good time and are worth the price. That 3804 is a real gem. I wish I could hand to you so you could heft it in your hand. And the Mechanical Master, well, you have to see it person to really appreciate it. They're worth the money. The other fellow is just saying they're not really European just because it says Paris on it. But then nothing's European anymore just as nothing is American anymore. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 02 Nov 10 - 09:52 PM Well knowing most of the scholars at the NAWCC those guys know their watches. That place is a museum of knowledge about every watch ever made or currently being made. If they say it is one of the better buys then it most likely is a pretty good watch for the dollar. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 02 Nov 10 - 09:01 PM ///They are made of Chinese and Japanese parts and assembled in Hong Kong (also in Shanghai?)./// You're not going to get a decent watch these days that doesn't come out of Asia--or a decent anything these days. If they still make it in the West, it's no better and often worse and far more expensive. Just like my guitars--all out of Asia and as good or better than any produced in the West. Unless you want to waste $3000 on a Martin. I won't. I get the same applause with my $500 Takamine that I would have gotten with a $2500 Martin. As for pitching the watches if they break. Hell no! I have a watch shop nearby that maintains and fixes all my watches and do it quite cheaply. I have nice cheap gold Penney pocket watch that was only for looks and he said bring it in so I brought it in. He got it running and it keeps excellent time now. Pitch it like hell. But really folks, 95% of what you buy these days--at least some part of it was made or assembled somewhere in Asia. Don't kid yourself and get used to it. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 02 Nov 10 - 08:31 PM Hey Q are you a NAWCC member. I am on the forum under my real name so drop me a PM when you are visiting there. Also , like you ... I lust for that 21J Raymond ... ahhh someday ... I saw a couple on ebay but my other half would have a fit ... LOL .... At least my kids got me my 992B ... I am a happy camper with it. This morning I dropped my 940 ... I suspect it will cost me for that stupid move ... time will tell (no pun intended) |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 02 Nov 10 - 08:27 PM AHHH didn't know that Q, thank you ... I was thinking the Paris guy ... thanks for the heads up |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 02 Nov 10 - 08:21 PM Charles Hubert watches are satisfactory for the money. They are made of Chinese and Japanese parts and assembled in Hong Kong (also in Shanghai?). A lifetime warranty is advertized but, like watches sold by Stauer, just what that means is questionable. The "Charles Hubert Paris" is, of course, mis-leading. I think that they have stopped claiming that there was a designer named Charles Hubert. They use some of the same parts used in Stauer watches (I have a 27-jewel automatic, as I think I posted a while back. Bought on impulse, just to see what they were like). Stauer runs adds in the Smithsonian Magazine and elsewhere. I will toss it in the garbage when it stops running. The following note posted at NAWCC (North American Watch and Clock Collectors Club). "........... The mechanical watches [Hubert] are made in Hong Kong. For the price, they are one of the better buys. Because they offer the lifetime warranty, they do not use the cheapest bidder in China to make their pocket watches." "For service, contact: Unitron Enterprise Corporation 3710 Rockwell Ave. Suite E El Monte, CA 91731 800-221-1881 sales@unitronwatch.com" |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 02 Nov 10 - 07:57 PM Hubert makes very very nice modern watches ... It will last a lifetime and will be passed down for generations like my old ones will be. I went through my drawer and found my old Elgin 574. I thought I sold or gave it away . Been carrying it all day and it has been dead bang on time. It looks just like the 616 but is about 1947 17J adj 5 positions. I also think the latter day Elgin company was doing some creative marketing at the time. The say adjusted 5 positions but 3 of those are really given adjustments in any watch. When Hamiliton said adj 5 positions it truly was 5 positions ... but good marketing at the time I guess. Never the less the latter day Elgins are great carry watches. If you can find one on Ebay nail it if it is running well. They are getting harder to find these old 574s |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: josepp Date: 02 Nov 10 - 06:49 PM My two latest acquisitions. Not old but very nice: Charles Hubert 3804 Charles Hubert Mechanical Masterpiece |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 02 Nov 10 - 12:02 PM It was running as long as it was face down on my desk, but now it won't do anything. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 02 Nov 10 - 10:14 AM It is a simple fix captain, I am sure of it. If it did not tick at all I would be more concerned. if you don't have a watch shop nearby have Jacqui take it over the pond when she goes next for Herga's other half. I hate passing them back and forth in the mail as I am not sure if that was what caused it. It could be something as simple as needing demagnetized ... Depending on the scanner at a PO if an old watch gets magnetic they run fast, slow , stop ... That is why a local watch shop would be fine. Just have an estimate first. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 01 Nov 10 - 07:56 PM I don't see how anything can keep better time than my cell phone. It makes me sad, Dan; this Elgin is so beautiful and yet it won't stay running. If it was a Timex I'd try to see how far I could throw it. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 01 Nov 10 - 02:18 PM correct Q, but good accurate watches in their own right |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Nov 10 - 01:53 PM molnija! I can't spell it either. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Nov 10 - 01:41 PM The movement is copied from Rolex, but lacks the precision in the way the parts are made. Molinja and Rolex are not equal. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 01 Nov 10 - 09:03 AM What that tells me Captain is it needs oiled fully, That is inexpensive and there should be a watch shop near you. My 940 to have it cleaned and oiled was 70 bucks and that is a complex watch to work on . When I told that guy here in town what I think he did was put it in the electrostatic cleaner with the solution but he didn't disassemble and oil ... That sounds like what is going on. All old watches need cleaned and oiled to run ... lately for me about every 5-8 years depending on how much I carry. In the meantime I can going to give you one of my molinja slimlines. 18 Jeweled Rolex movement with fine adjustment. (it will fit your watch pocket and fat belly from all the good Jacqui cooking) Look for it this week |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: kendall Date: 01 Nov 10 - 08:38 AM It ran all night but stopped at 6 am. sigh. |
|
Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches From: olddude Date: 31 Oct 10 - 11:28 PM Awesome Captain, I had asked that guy here to fully service it. He may have cleaned it but sure didn't oil it ... that was a great idea captain. Also if at anytime you have trouble with that crystal, take it out and pop it in from the front side of the watch and not the backside ...I think he put that in wrong also but don't touch it if it is all running fine now. That is a really good Elgin it is from 1921. I forget the model. It ran perfect for me forever but I had not carried it in years and the oil was probably dry. |
