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Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande

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A LA PUERTA DEL CIELO
AMANECER (Daybreak )
CIELITO LINDO
COPLAS
EL RANCHO GRANDE
GRACIAS A LA VIDA
GUANTANAMERA
HAY UNA MUJER DESAPARECIDA
LA GUITARRA
LA QUINCE BRIGADA
LOS CUATROS GENERALES
N-DE COLORES
RIU RIU
SENOR DON GATO
SI ME QUIERES ESCRIBIR
VENGA JALEO
VIVA LA QUINCE BRIGADA


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Joe Offer 21 Apr 97 - 04:18 AM
Gene Graham 21 Apr 97 - 07:42 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 May 05 - 11:54 PM
Gene 27 May 05 - 12:36 AM
GUEST,Lighter at lunch 27 May 05 - 11:57 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 May 05 - 12:47 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 May 05 - 01:11 PM
Barbara Shaw 27 May 05 - 04:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 May 05 - 08:20 PM
GUEST,Gene 26 Jun 05 - 11:16 AM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Jun 05 - 03:53 PM
Lighter 26 Jun 05 - 09:23 PM
GUEST,Frank Chavez 27 Jan 11 - 02:49 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Jan 11 - 07:43 PM
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Subject: El Rancho Grande - lyrics?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 97 - 04:18 AM

Can somebody post the lyrics to "El Rancho Grande"? A translation and chords would be nice, too. -Joe-


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Subject: Lyr Add: EL RANCHO GRANDE
From: Gene Graham
Date: 21 Apr 97 - 07:42 PM

Here ya go! Knock yourself out!

EL RANCHO GRANDE
Recorded by Jim Mallory and his Range Riders
English lyrics Bartley Costello
Spanish lyrics by J. del Moral
Music by Emilio Uranga

CAPO: 3rd Fret/KEY: F/PLAY: D

REFRAIN: I [D] love to roam out yonder
Out where the Buffalo [A7] wander
Free as the Eagle flying
I'm roping and a-[D] tying
I'm roping and a-tying.

Give me my [D] ranch and my [A7] cattle
Far from the great city's [D] rattle
Give me a big herd to [A7] battle
For I just love herding [D] cattle.

REFRAIN: Alla en la rancho grande
Alla donde vivia
Habia una ranche rita
Que alegre me decia
Que alegra me decia.

Te voy hacer tus calzones
Como los usa el ranchero
Te los comienzo de lana
Te los acabo de cuero.

ADDITIONAL VERSES:
Sometimes the winter storms tearing;/ Set all the cattle a-raring
But when the winter is over;/ We're sure enough in the clover.

Give me the wide open spaces;/ That's just where I know my place is
I love the Ro-de-o dearly;/ And the Big Round-up yearly.

Though we play seven eleven;/ My ranch is next door to Heaven
We smile when we take a-beatin';/ But hang a rat when he's cheatin'.


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Subject: Lyr Add: ALLÁ EN EL RANCHO GRANDE
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 May 05 - 11:54 PM

Odd that no one has translated the Spanish verses given above, or provided more of the Spanish lyrics of this ranchera.
I have not found documentation of the authors J. D. del Moral, and Emilio D. Uranga.

The most common Spanish verses, given above, are the chorus (coro), and the 1st verse.

Coro:
Allá en el rancho grande,
allá donde vivía,
había una rancherita,
que alegre me decía,
que alegre me decía:

"Voy a hacerte unos calzones
como los que usa el ranchero.
Te los comienzo de lana
y los acabo de cuero."

Down on the big ranch,
Down there where I lived,
There was a girl
who merrily said to me:

I am going to make you a pair of breeches
Like those worn by a rancher,
I will begin making them of wool
And finish them in leather."

Lyr. Add: ALLÁ EN EL RANCHO GRANDE

Coro:
Allá el el rancho grande
allá donde vivía,
había una rancherita
que alegre me decía,
que alegre me decía:

Te voy a hacer unos calzones
como los que usa el ranchero,
te los comienzo de lana,
te los acabo de quero.

Coro

El gusto de los rancheros
es tener su buen caballo,
"pa" ensillarlo por las tardes
darle la vuelta al vallado.

Coro

Nunca te fíes de promesas
ni mucho menos de amores,
que si te dan calabasas
verás lo que son ardores.

Coro

Pon muy atento el oído
cuando rechine la puerta
hay muertos que no hacen ruido
y son muy gordas sus penas.

Coro

Cuando te pidan cigarro
no des cigarro y cerillo,
porque si das las dos cosas
te tantearán de zorillo.

Coro

There are many other verses, some of them bawdy. If anyone knows them, please post.


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Subject: RE: El Rancho Grande - lyrics?
From: Gene
Date: 27 May 05 - 12:36 AM

Hey Q...my one semester of Spanish back in 1957 didn't help me
all that much...i just typed the words from the sheet music..


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Subject: RE: El Rancho Grande - lyrics?
From: GUEST,Lighter at lunch
Date: 27 May 05 - 11:57 AM

The song appears in the Lomaxes' "American Ballads and Folksongs" (1934). Will check into it.


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Subject: RE: El Rancho Grande - lyrics?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 May 05 - 12:47 PM

Lighter, the Lomaxes attribute the song to Sylvano R. Ramos, copyright 1927, Edward B. Marks Music Corp. This is more likely than attribution to Uranga, who seems to have been active about a decade later, but I think the song is even older.

In ABFS, the version is credited by the Lomaxes to a publication of the Texas Folk-Lore Society. The full reference should be:

Joaquin Moro, 1931, "Songs the Vaqueros Sing," p. 119, in "Southwestern Lore," ed. J. Frank Dobie, Publ. Texas Folk-Lore Society, no. 9, 1931.
Moro makes no mention of author, and provides music, coro and first verse only. If the song was composed only four years earlier, it is surprising that Moro and the Texas Folk-Lore Society did not credit the author.
Moro is cited as an architect, living in Austin, TX, reared in the Rio Grande Valley and a former resident of northern Mexico.


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Subject: RE: El Rancho Grande - lyrics?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 May 05 - 01:11 PM

Google did not turn up anyone named Sylvano R. Ramos. Neither does the Texas Handbook.
The University of Pennsylvania sheet music collection has "En el Rancho Grande," Uranga and Ramos, Marks Co., no date, and also in the collection "Pennsylvanians," stock arrangement, Uranga, D., E. B. Marks 1934.

Uranga worked on Mexican films in the 1950s and is known as the author of the song "El negra noche." "Alla en el rancho grande" was a Mexican film of 1936 with music by Uranga, Del Moral, Ramos and Tito Guizar. Sheet music with English words, Uranga listed as music author, came out in 1934.

These dates are after unattributed publication of the song by the Texas Folh-Lore Society in 1931.


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Subject: RE: El Rancho Grande - lyrics?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 27 May 05 - 04:53 PM

My grandfather, who died in 1932 in Tombstone AZ, used to sit in the evenings with his brother playing guitar and banjo. One of the songs they sang was "El Rancho Grande," according to my aunt.


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Subject: RE: El Rancho Grande - lyrics?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 May 05 - 08:20 PM

My horse, my wife- not quite maritally correct.

Mi mujer y mi caballo
Se me murieron a un tiempo
mi mujer Dios le perdone,
el caballo es lo que siento

This one belongs with the calzones verse:

Te voy hacer tu camisa
como las usa el ranchero
con el cuello a media espalda
y las mangas hasta el suelo.

A variant of el gusto---

El gusto de un buen ranchero
es tener su buen caballo
sacarlo por las mañanas
darle le vuelta al vallado.

Gene, the version you typed, I think I remember, is the one also used by Bing Crosby.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: GUEST,Gene
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 11:16 AM

I
found a stack of Armed Forces Song Folios awhile back
at an estate sale.

the October 1962 edition has

Alla En El Rancho Grande

listing Bartley Costello as English Lyrics source

and Spanish Lyrics and Music by Silvano R. Ramos

[Spanish lyrics are identical to those posted above]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: GUEST,Seth in Olympia
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 03:27 PM

I used to have a Milton Brown and his Musical Brownies 78 of that song with only English lyrics


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 03:53 PM

I have re-checked my previous 1927 attribution to Ramos- "Alla en El Rancho Grande" was copyright in 1927 by Edward B. Marks Music Corp. for Silvano R. Ramos (words and music).
Took a while to find that this is correct (it is cited in Lomax and Lomax, 1934, "American ballads and Folk Songs, p. 361-361, but I don't trust their citations).
In 1936, Bartley Costello and Silvano R. Ramos published the version sung by Gene Autry (1940) and so many others.
In 1936, it was used in the Mexican film of he same name; Ramos is credited.

The Texas Folklore Society article by Moros is dated 1931; I still find it odd that the editors were unaware of the 1927 copyright.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Jun 05 - 09:23 PM

Am not surprised by TFS's ignorance of the 1927 copyright. Standards of folklore research by and large have improved greatly in the last 75 years.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: GUEST,Frank Chavez
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 02:49 PM

There is great controversy over who wrote "Alla en el Rancho Grande". In fact, it was a very famous case. Look it up. Emilio D. Uranga wrote the music and Juan Diaz del Moral wrote the lyrics for a musical play produced in Mexico. This was before the song was used in the film staring Tito Guizar in Mexico. The movie was supposed to be called "El Caporal", but was only changed to "Alla en el Rancho Grande" when Tito Guizar suggested it (he sings the song in the movie). Silvano R. Ramos copyrighted the song in the States with English lyrics by Bartley Costello. Ramos took the publisher of a book (I believe published by the University of Texas Press in Austin, Texas, for giving credit to Emilio Donato Uranga and Juan Diaz del Moral as authors of the song. They registered the song with SACM, the Society of Authors and Composers of Mexico, but Silvano R. Ramos and Barley Costello copyrighted with ASCAP. All said and done, I believe that the song was an anonymous folk song that Uranga arranged for the stage in Mexico. Silvano later returned to Mexico. I don't think he ever registered anything with SACM.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jan 11 - 07:43 PM

Very interesting.
SACM, Sociedad de Autores y Compositores de Mexico, list the song as follows:

Alla en el Rancho Grande
ISWC: T.035.000.821-7
compositor-autor 00054126011 Uranga Donato Emilio SACM
autor 00054126011 Diaz del Moral Juan SACM
editor original 00160694172 Promontora HispanoAmerica De SACM

The SACM website has a biography of Juan Diaz del Moral, with details of the song and other compositions.
http://www.sacm.org.mx/archivos/biografias.asp?txtSocio=02507

Text is in Spanish, a mostly intelligible English translation is provided.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 07:17 PM

Rancho Grande was the name of a large ranch owned by Abel Head 'Shanghei" Pierce and his brother Jonothan E. Pierce down on the Tres Palacious River in South-Central Texas. This was and still is in Matagorda County and Wharton County and dates back to the days in mid-nineteenth century. However, there were many grande ranchos in those times. I won't but,old Shang would claim that song in a heartbeat.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: El Rancho Grande
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Feb 11 - 09:40 PM

Doubtful that the song's composers knew of Shanghai Pierce's Rancho Grande.
(The ranch was established in 1871. The Pierce Estate were the first to import Brahman cattle from India)


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