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Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?

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Tim Salt 05 Jan 00 - 04:20 PM
MMario 05 Jan 00 - 04:23 PM
Tim Salt 05 Jan 00 - 05:10 PM
Susan of DT 05 Jan 00 - 07:37 PM
JenEllen 05 Jan 00 - 09:33 PM
MMario 05 Jan 00 - 10:10 PM
JenEllen 06 Jan 00 - 12:23 AM
Joe Offer 06 Jan 00 - 04:02 AM
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Subject: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Tim Salt
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 04:20 PM

The question may be obvious but I really don't know. How was the DT put together - I thing it is pretty fantastic by the way, and who by? How is it updated and if for example I post some lyrics in response to a thread will these ever be added to the DT?

Whatever the answer, somebody's doing a great job!

Thanks

Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 04:23 PM

do a search on the forum for "DT" and it should explain a few things, but real quick....

it was started by DickG and Susan of DT and was paper for a while, then hosted by Xerox, then Max offerred them a home.

Dick updates it, hopefully twice a year (the oct 99 version is live on this site, but not available for download yet) and yes, there is a chance, subject to the powers-that-be that lyrics posted here will be added.


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Tim Salt
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 05:10 PM

MMario - hey that was quick. Thanks for the info.

Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Susan of DT
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 07:37 PM

Look under Digitrad Links for About the Digitrad in the lower area of the blue search box for FAQs
The Digital Tradition is almost 12 years old now - no it wasn't on paper, Mario, other than the precursors in my notebooks and Dennis Cook's, but was on disks rather than the net, originally for CP/M machines.
Songs can be contributed by posting, e-mail, or snail mail and usually find their way into one of the semiannual releases of the Digital Tradition, eventually. We now have easy-to-remember e-mail addresses: dick@digitrad.org and susan@digitrad.org. If you are including a tune, send it to Dick since he is much better at the various tune formats than I am.
Welcome aboard, Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: JenEllen
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 09:33 PM

MMario, you are still the techno-god.;) Got a stern tongue-lashing from Joe about posting lyrics, and up until now had no clue what to do with them. Are there any other resources I should know about? How do we manage a blue clicky thing? Yours in ignorant bliss, Elle


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 10:10 PM

J-E: search the forum for HTML - should find all your answers there.....I freely admit that aside from "blue clickies" and bold or italics I have to look up any HTML I do, and praise Joe Offer for his advice...


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: JenEllen
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 12:23 AM

MMario. Thanks a million. Armful of daisies at your feet. Elle


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:02 AM

Aw, JenEllen, was I stern? I didn't mean to be, although I can't quite remember which is who sometimes. As I recall, you might have been one of a number of people in the "Living Room" who were posting good songs without telling us the name of the song. The standard format for the database is to have the song title in ALL CAPS and the songwriter's name in (parentheses). The only HTML thing you need to know is to put the line break <br> after every line in lyrics, so the lines don't all get mashed together. If you goof up on HTML or something, post a message in the Help Forum (see links at top of this page), and a Joe or JoeClone® will jump in and fix it for you. Sorry if I sounded stern.
-Joe Offer-
Oh, and here's a blue clicky thing sample:

<a href=http://www.mudcat.org/>Click here</a>

(Note that some people use quotation marks within links. In most uses, they are optional. I encourage people NOT to use them here, because leaving out the closing quotes screws up the forum).


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: JenEllen
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 12:03 PM

Just kidding Joe! No hard feelings. I'm not one to take much personally. I WAS one of the ones in the Living Room singing my fool head off. I am trying to figure out the computer and am getting lots of help. All the little techno-faeires are coming delightfully to my rescue. It's an addendum to the resolutions thread, learn more about the contraption. Take care, tongue-lashing or no, your a doll! Elle


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Tim Salt
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 05:35 PM

I wish I'd read Joes thread before I started typing - might have saved my lines getting mashed up together! So what's a line break?

Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Tim Salt
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 05:36 PM

Sorry - wrong thread!

Tim


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: _gargoyle
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 09:34 PM

To: MAX, Joe, dick, Susan

From: -gargoyle, aka gargoyle, aka GG

Re: credits

The DT/MC has evolved into an amazing place.

It is much bigger, there is more "flash," than ever before.....and sometimes things get lost.

I "visit" a lot of "web-pages" within any given week. Many of them have credits. (Sometimes, one cannot get past the credits to the page itself).....However, in the DT past, there was a wonderful story of dick and Susan meeting with their notebooks of notes...and the DT being born out of it...

Perhaps the story is still here....and, I am blind to it.....If it is not...please try to re-establish it...(unless, of course, the creation has become a "Frankenstien's Monster"

It is the innocent simplicity of folk songsthat drew me here....and the innocent simplicty of the site which appealed to me...(this was a place I could "deposit" tunes/lyrics that "no one else but my family knew" it was an "archive" of folk-song historia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: _gargoyle
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 09:44 PM

Dear Tim Salt,

The Digital Tradition, is a play upon the words Oral Tradition

It is reference to how songs, lyrics/tunes, have been able to transgress the confines of "ill-literacy" and transcend generation after generation....it refers to the legacy of of fore-beres (sic)

I have no doubt that there is a tune within YOUR very soul that has been passed on from mother, father, grandma/pa....

THIS passing of "the oral tradition" is lost....as it becomes polluted, variated, enriched , along the way....dick and Susan ....in their inspiration of GENIUS recognized that the "WEB" was a means of gathering together pieces of the "ORAL TRADITION" that might easily be lost....

Because of the "Web" the musical knowledge of the past can be "digitized" into a "data-base" that permits a much broader sharing of tunes/lyrics.

Please!!!! Stick around....A song will come to your mind....and then Post It.....the words that were were taught are quickly slipping into oblivion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: _gargoyle
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 09:48 PM

Sorry to appear "Evangelical"

However,

THIS is what DT is about!!!

THIS IS NOT B.S. !!!!!!

Mr. Salt PLEASE keep posting....

We are in the process of being "healed."


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 09:50 PM

I have been guilty of the same type of error. (they just don't show the way I type em mates.

I regret that I am guilty of gross ignorance,and do not know what a line break is on my keyboard, and as far as HTML is concerned; if it don't turn blue when I type it it won't turn blue when I hit Submit. Otherwise I would be happy to post lyrics that would show properly. (It's all done with ELECTRICKERY) Would some kind person direct this 21st century Luddite to master the art of electrickery? Should you have a few minutes to spare when I am online. ICQ me at#59659983 Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: JenEllen
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 10:34 PM

No fear Dave, you aren't the only Luddite (I prefer techno-idiot, calls 'em as I sees 'em) Maybe direct us where to find these things? And in full agreement with Garg on this one, we can't let the songs in our heads/hearts die.


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 11:14 PM

ummm..Max...gargoyle makes a point...I used to be able to find easily that 'history of DT' page. What happened? That was useful..is it still there and the link just gone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 12:00 PM

It's still there, Bill, but it took me some time to find it: Upper right search window, lower entry, go for 'About the Digitrad', then click 'introduction' and you should have it.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 02:03 PM

oh, SURE!..put it in a nice, easy, sensible place..like in a drop-down menu where it should be!!...how am I supposed to find something that doesn't require complex, counter-intuitive thinking?....


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Subject: HTML for posting messages
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 02:28 PM

Well, just in case you can't figure out the drop-down menu, you can click here for the "About the Digital Tradition" page. The drop-down menus and the menu at the top of most pages may be easy to miss for some people, but once you get used to it, it makes things easier to find.

There are only two HTML things you need to learn to make you look like a whiz around here. First, and most important, is the line break, just a BR enclosed in two angle brackets, which looks likt this

<br>

The thing that really makes you look like a star is when you do the sacred blue clicky thing, which looks like this:

<a href=http://www.mudcat.org/>Click here</a>

I realize that some people use quotation marks within links, but they're not needed here and tend to cause more problems than they solve. You can actually copy this example, and save it in a collection of HTML tags - just replace the red part with the complete URL you want to link to, including the http:// stuff (best to copy it from the address bar of your browser, and paste it into the link). The blue part is your reference word, and can be anything you want. then, as in all HTML tags, you close it off with a slash and a repeat of the command, </a>, in this case.
For more neat tricks, search the Forum for HTML.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 02:50 PM

Thank you Joe, I shall try to follow the instructions when posting a song in future. Sorry for the extra work I put on your shoulders to clean my other postings up. Techno-Idiot describes me to a tee' Elle! I am trying but there is truth to the term "Old Dogs, and New Tricks" Every time I learn a program they change computers on me, or download new and improved software. then I get issued several manuals of instruction to read, which I am assured are easy to read and will teach me everything I need to know. Bigger Bytes and Better Bytes (next time someone says Byte me I shall just ask where and how hard?) By the way, the manuals are thicker than me; and written not to inform or teach, but to impress upon the reader how smart the writer is. Yours,(adjusting his wooden leg and dead parrot) Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Digital Tradition: How Does It Grow?
From: JenEllen
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 05:43 PM

Laughing still Dave...the parrots not dead, he's just pining for the fjords. Joe, you get the flowers at your feet this time...I'll say sweetpeas and clover. Saving this stuff to use on other threads. Thanks again, Elle


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Subject: ADD: Horse Racing (Smith/Green)
From: JenEllen
Date: 08 Jan 00 - 02:07 AM

All right Joe. Song for you...

HORSE RACING (Smith/Green)

I'd rather been born a racehorse
That sounds like a pretty good go
With a trainer and a ninety pound jockey
Who'd ride for a minute or so
I'd win the daily double
The Trifecta and the Exactor
'Cause I know what a stud farm is
And motivation would be a significant factor

And trying the sacred blue clicky thing for Dave: ClickHere


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