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If you like Nic Jones you'll like Damien Barber

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Subject: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Doctor John
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 04:18 PM

...Damien Barber, a young singer/ guitar, concertina player we first heard at the Dartmoor Folk festival a couple of years ago. I've just found a CD of his - "The Furrowed Field". Highly recommended: this is the stuff. www.jacana.demon.co.uk/djc
Dr John


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 04:23 PM

Appearing at Nellie's in Beverley, march 12th ; website www.soft.net.uk/10sg/nellies.htm


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 04:50 PM

He's slept in the back seat of our car!!! He also had a nasty shock a year or two back when he nearly lost 2 of his fingers.... playing better than ever though and a real sweetie if you catch him right....

LTS


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Big Tim
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 05:04 PM

Bob Dylan.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Zebedee
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 05:07 PM

Damien Barber is a lovely guy, and I like his music a lot.

Quite what his music has to to, or is even remotely similar, to Nic Jones's eludes me....

Ed

unless you just mean that it's 'folk'


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 05:10 PM

They've both been involved in nasty accidents?? Although Damien was a darned sight luckier than Nic.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Doctor John
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 05:12 PM

Big Tim, no, No, NO! You don't blow down that old dusty road in a Cadillac with electricity and all that. Try Woody Guthrie.
Ed. Listen to Nic Jones again. I mean it's direct unadorned, uncluttered ; proper folk music. No choirs, orchestras, keyboards etc etc. If you can play it on street corners, bars, unions meetings, it's folk music. Dr John


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 15 Feb 01 - 07:02 PM

I only know one song by Damien Barber, on the excellent CD of English a-cappella songs, 'Voices'. It's enough to tempt me to buy his new CD the next time I get to Britain. (I'll wait till the Euro has recovered a bit further, though ...)


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: wes.w
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 10:03 AM

Tony Rose ?


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: MartinRyan
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 10:27 AM

Tony Rose!


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Les from Hull
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 10:58 AM

Roger Wilson?


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 12:04 PM

Suzanne--You don't have to go to England to buy English CDs---CAMSCO has them, and generally charges less than you'd pay in the UK.

BTW: Tony Rose has a new one--Bare Bones-- and it's a ine recording.Call Camsco at 800/548-FOLK (3655)


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Les from Hull
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 12:53 PM

Suzanne - Don't buy CDs in shops in the UK if you can avoid it. We pay through the eyes, ears, nose and throat for them. Current full price CDs are nearly seventeen pounds, convert that to your currency and add on their air fare and that'll do permanent damage to your bank balance. Buying direct from the artist at a concert is acceptable though.

Hope you enjoy Damien's stuff. He's an excellent musician and a good mate.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Doctor John
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 02:39 PM

Yes...Tony Rose; excellent new CD having ,rerecorded a lot of material from his old Trailer LP's...which that guy won't release. Dr John


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 16 Feb 01 - 08:54 PM

Dick - being in Germany I doubt it would make much difference whether I bought from the UK or from the States. Both are incredibly expensive for us just now.

Les - I know, but where'd I catch him? I only get to Britain once a year, usually to Scotland, and I haven't heard anything about Damien touring Germany.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Tweedie
Date: 20 Mar 01 - 04:43 PM

Bob Bray does the singing and Jon Scaife plays guitar. Together they are similar to Nic Jones. They have, I think, only collaborated on 2 cassette albums. See www.sarcon.demon.co.uk/engfolk/21/bob_bray_jon_scaife.htm


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 20 Mar 01 - 06:10 PM

Dan McKinnon does a song of his, I believe. Dan McKinnon


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Mar 01 - 12:17 PM

Bob Bray lives in Stroud, Jon Scaife in Leicester (ish) I don't remember seeing them together recently. CD's are probably the best way to hear them together, Jon is duoing with a lass who is well known but I can't remember her name.

Bob runs a singers (mostly singers) night at the Golden Fleece in Nelson St Stoud 1st Tuesday (& 3rd in winter).


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Dita (at work)
Date: 21 Mar 01 - 12:34 PM

Chris Foster?


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Mar 01 - 12:35 PM

Jon Scaife lives in Sheffield, and can be contacted via the  Bash Street Dance Band


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From: GUEST,willie-o
Date: 21 Mar 01 - 03:12 PM

Martyn Wyndham-Reed.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GeorgeH
Date: 22 Mar 01 - 11:46 AM

Kate Rusby . . (especially live rather than on her CDs which - IMO and certainly by comparison with Nic - tend to be over-arranged)

OK, not an obvious one, but at least one of her tracks (Lakes of Ponterchian?? and yes I know I can't spell) is derived - indirectly - from Nic.

Which reminds me of our last visit to Ely folk club . . a good floor singer performed a song which he attributed correctly to Nic. Then another fine performance which he attributed to Martin Simpson - but which Martin had actually got from Nic.

Anyway, to go back to the questions - the Martins, Simpson and Carthy (in that order of liklihood) would be my recommendations . . especially if you catch Simpson doing an evening of largely English Traditional stuff . .

G.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 09:29 PM

The Eagles. Poco. Jackson Browne. Seriously. Nic's style of singing a little behind the beat was influenced by the West Coast rock of the 70s. This is what gives Nic's recordings such a easy-on-the-ear sound. Nic, somewhere, I think the Living Tradition interview, mentioned that he admirred this style of music. A lot of folk and rock fans dismiss this music too easily. I did too at one time (I'm an ageing punk rocker, afterall) but now I can appreciate South Coast rock for it's strengths, which are to highlight the melodies and the harmonies. Ofcourse, it may be that I am just getting old.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 09:49 PM

Incidentally, and out of sheer curiosity, what does Nic listen to on his CD player? I knew he use to like Dylan, Randy Newman, and reggae. I would love to spend a day just browsing through his record/CD collection. I'm that sort of person.

I read somewhere that he no longer likes tradional folk music. Can this be true? This, from a past master of the genre!


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: DG&D Dave
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 04:36 AM

Pete Castle?


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 08:53 AM

Nic Dow - Who post here occasionaly and presents the folk programme on Radio Lancashire. I am hard put to tell the difference between the two Nicks at times:-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,LesB
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 01:40 PM


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,LesB
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 01:48 PM

Chris Foster, who is on at the
Bothy in Southport this Sunday, 2nd Feb. He is very underated, also see the last edition of Living Tradition for a good feature on him.
Cheer
Les(Sorry hit enter by mistake before)


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 10:51 PM

Hey. Everyone keeps mentining 3rd rate mediocraties. WHo the hell cares about these people


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Stewie
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 05:57 AM

Guest,

I, for one, have derived a great deal of pleasure from artists such as Chris Foster, Nic Dow, Martyn Wyndham-Read et alia and they are far from '3rd rate'. If you do wish to brandish big words such as 'mediocrities' at least take the trouble to ascertain the correct spelling.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Les from Hull
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 10:13 AM

Guest - to answer your question as to 'who the hell cares..' look above each posting and you'll see the Mudcat name of the person who cares.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 02:09 PM

The guest who wrote about 3rd rate mediocrities has a point. If you like Nic Jones, you will like Martin Carthy, Dick Gaughan, Bert Jansch, and all the other greats with whom Nic belongs. All these obscure names maybe fine enough but to compare them to Nic, which is in effect what you are doing, is deeply insulting to the reputation of Nic. It's like saying...If you like Kenny Ball, you will like Miles Davis. I don't think so.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Les from Hull
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 03:22 PM


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Feb 03 - 05:26 PM

If you like Nic Jones, you will like Martin Carthy, Dick Gaughan, Bert Jansch

Sorry, Guest of 02:09pm who is simply Guest of 10:51pm pretending to be someone else in support of a ridiculously inflamatory argument, you are talking out of your arse. To simply mention the above four in the same breath shows that your level of musical appreciation is slightly below that of the common slug. You know nothing of the real world. You would not know a good folk musician if one crapped on you from a great height and it is about time you stopped hiding behind your anonimity and got out to some events where you would meet real grown up people.

You have the social skills of an a very anti-social rhino with PMT. You're mother bred you in the gutter where she eked out a megre living selling her favours to baboons and you are the ugliest being ever to breath. It is no wonder the midwife wanted push you back and then drown all people concerned.

You would not know how to troll or flame to save your life. What is more, because you are a back stabbing, ignorant, demented piece of used toilet paper who chooses to remain anonymous anyone can have a go at you and cannot disprove a thing!

Cheers and happy whinging. I am sure you will endevour to make some feeble response that I can have another good laugh at;-)

Ahhhh. Glad I found one. A good rant is far better than valium in my estimation!

Dave the Gnome


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:10 AM

Ere Dave......I really enjoyed that...can you do one for me.

Spot


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 05:16 PM

Spot, if you were any uglier your wife would have married me instead. Not that it matters. You don't have a clue what is going on at home while you are down in Guilford...;-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:28 PM

Dave the gnome: If I like Nic Jones, I can't be that bad, can I? There, I have printed my slug like name. By the way, I was born in Orpington, like Nic. I hope that lifts me up in your eyes. Oh yes, and my original argument still stands!


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Les from Hull
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 02:37 PM

Ian - it's nice to see a slug come out of its shell! No, that can't be right!

It might help the debate if you say who Nic Jones' fans might like or why you don't agree with other people's suggestions.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 06 Feb 03 - 03:15 PM

Les, the reason I don't agree with other people's suggestion is because most of the names mentioned are on the second rung in Pantheon of folk music. I don't know who the hell Kate Rusby is. She is probably a fine performer, but is that any reason to mention her in the same breath as Nic Jones. Is that all Nic is: a fine performer?
By the way, I got my quote the wrong way round. It should have read: If you like Miles Davis, you will like Kenny Ball. So...if you like Nic Jones you will like Kate Rusby? Again, I don't think so.


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From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 08 Feb 03 - 08:17 PM

Dave the Gnome. I await your devastating retort....or is your silence passive agreement?


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Deni-C
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 09:43 AM

Think of it like this...

If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....a whole list of other performers


But if you hero-worship Nic Jones, you won't think anyone else comes up to scratch.

D


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 06:02 PM

Not worth wasting an ounce of my brain power on you Ian, if that is indeed your name. If you would like a devastating retort try heating one over a bunsen burner until it explodes. Perhaps the shards of glass may improve your looks and attitude:-)

If you do not know who Kate Rusby is perhaps you had better go and stick your head back up the arse of the incontinent bear that has been filling your brains with shit for the last few years. Anyone who believes that only a handful of performers are good is not even worth thinking about.

What is more your mention of both Davies and Ball shows an unhealthy knowledge of Jazz. As we all know Jazz is unrelated to any form of good music. With its pretence to be artistic it is indeed the musical equivalent of wanking. Only giving pleasure to the perpetrator.

So, there we have it, a man stuck in the past, preoccupied with what he believes is an elitist group of artists and a lover of the individual pleasures! It's no wonder that such blinkered, philistine, pig-ignorance comes from the keyboard of this non-creative garbage.

I have spoken. I shall not deign to converse with one so lowly again...

Cheers

Dave the Gnome
(With thanks to the Monty Python team for one of the above insults and to the writer of The Commitments for another. The rest I believe are my own work:-) )


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: sharyn
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 07:35 PM

Chris Smither. Great voice, Great guitar work, Great sense of humor, some good songwriting, sensitive arrangements for the most part. Does for American blues what Nic Jones did for English folk music.

And, for the record, I also like Kate Rusby, except when she gets a little out there in her songwriting: she's best when she stays close to traditionnal material. Also, her cover of Iris DeMent's "Our Town" is exceptionally good.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 04:23 PM

Oh come on. I didn't say that only a few performers were good. I said only a few were great. Nic came out of the golden age of folk music in the 60s and 70s and gave some old folk songs the definitive version. Imagine someone equalling Nic's version of Canidee-i-o or Little Pot Stove. It's unlikely to happen and if it does then they will get a wider audience than the smug clique that cluster around the dreary and fading remains of the once innovative and exciting folk clubs. Come on, you know I'm telling the truth. Why else set up this site? Why else would it get such a good response. I ask you: name me one modern folk artist who matches the beauty of Nic's playing? I doubt if you can.

As for jazz being a form of musical mastrubation, well, it very often is; but at its best, when the musicians take the audience with them -'trane, Monk, Mingus, Louis, Dolphy,-it matches the very best. A matter of opinion.

As for you sharyn, that is some claim. The blues has been done to perfection by the likes of Skip James, Blind Blake, Charlie Patton and Tommy Johnson. These are the names you bandy about with Nic Jones, not some Johnny-come-lately white boy who mimics the originals. I might be wrong.... but I bet I ain't. Ain't one white boy done it yet and I doubt if Chris Smither is any different.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 10:40 PM

Ian,

I stand by what I said. Nic Jones was a revival singer, not a tradition-bearer. So is Chris Smither. You would be wise to listen to him a good long while before you dismiss him. He knows his stuff and he grew up in blues territory. I believe he matches Jones for talent and also for the way he makes it possible to hear songs freshly. Thinking that white people can't sing the blues is a fairly narrow view.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:37 AM

*BG*

OK OK - You win. I will converse once more after all! You can be just as inflamatory as me then, Ian. Hats off to you.

You are nowhere near as subtle and sophisticated though;-)

If I am down in Orpington or you are up in Manchester we should get in touch. I will buy you a pint (Not saying what I will put in it though...)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: Schantieman
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 05:37 AM

Dave - can I borrow you to insult some of the boys I 'teach', please?


S


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Yes
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 07:25 AM

Oh Come on chaps..
Don't kiss and make up just yet.It was just getting interesting.
Come out fighting the pair of youse!
(Best thread I've read in years)


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 08:38 AM

All jazz , Opera and Ballet would have been better left undiscovered. Shrieking opera singers in falsetto voices and Ballet dancers who can't even walk without looking disgraceful(ungraceful?...Disgraceful fits better). Jazz players (can't call them musicians) competing to fit uneven number of notes into tunes with odd numbers of bars and mixing scales like some demented tosser to produce bad cacophony.

It's what capital punishment was created for.


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Subject: RE: If you like Nic Jones you'll like.....
From: GUEST,Yes
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 12:25 PM

Now, This is more like it !
Jazz."Fire in a Pet Shop" Music
Any more bigots want to join in?


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