Nick Jones (Nic Jones)

Subject: Nick Jones
From:
Date: 09 Dec 98 - 11:42 PM

I am trying to find out information about Nick Jones, a British musician who sang tradtional British folk music sometime ago. I have two of his albums and am trying to find out where I can get more as well as trying to find out as much information as I can about him. Anyone know anything?

Thanks!

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 09 Dec 98 - 11:53 PM

G'day,
There have been several threads on Nic lately:-

click here,

here

and here.

One of these will probably lead you to his home page.

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Gary P
Date: 11 Dec 98 - 02:01 PM

Thanks, Alan. It is nice to see that Nic Jones is releasing a new CD. He's one of the best.

Gary

Subject: RE: Nic Jones
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Dec 98 - 03:28 PM

As the father of a young man who insists on spelling his name Nic, let me caution you that you will find much more about Nic Jones if you spell his name the way he spells it. My son was quite pleased to learn that he's not the only one in the world to spell the name that way.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 11 Dec 98 - 07:52 PM

There is an unfortunate situation in the British Isles where someone has bought up back catalogue recordings of particular importance, to say nothing of enjoyable listening. This person seems to think that sitting on the recordings will lead to a big market, onto which he will condescend to release material.

One of the people caught in this situation, ie with excellent back catalogue material ripe for re-release on CD, is Nic Jones. Unfortunately, Nic had a severe car crash some years ago. He could well do with the income from back cataglogue releases, but this person doesn't give a toss.

The latest Nic Jones release is, therefore, of live recordings of Nic singing songs that were formerly released on these imprisoned recordings. Perhaps they don't have the clarity of studio recordings, but they are none the less important.

Nic is not the only artist to suffer from this person. Stu Luckley and Bob Fox have gone to the trouble of re-recording songs from their previous albums because this obnoxious half-wit wants to sit on the original recordings until the time is right for him to make some sort of a killing.

Isn't big business a heart-warming thing?

Bobby Bob

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From:
Date: 13 Dec 98 - 10:32 AM

Hi I knew a folk musician by that name who used to live in Kent (Canterbury area) and moved to Wales years ago. He was a good friend of my ex-husband Pete and I went to visit him once. I don't know if we're talking about the same Nick Jones but you could find out by sending an e-mail to Pete at [e-mail] If you want to reply to this e-mail you'd better be quick because I'm changing my e-mail address in the next day or two. It will probably become [e-mail] or [e-mail], but I' haven't quite sorted that out. Good luck anyway Annemiek

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Ritchie
Date: 13 Dec 98 - 11:05 AM

Hey Bobby Bob,

Name the half wit.. go on or at least giv'is a clue !

I remember reading an artical recently about Nic Jones in a publication called Get Rhythm which implied that his long time friend ,Dave Emery has re-mastered etc Nic's back catalogue and 'In search of Nic Jones ' is available now from Mollie Music.

I particulary like Bob Fox & Stu Luckley and have been amazed and dismayed at the lack of recorded material from them especially with Stu Luckley's versitility of/with different types of material.(I hope you understand what I mean by that, it does n't seem right and I re-read and re-typed it 3 times..)

Perhaps I can fettle the half -wit...the power of prayer is a wonderous thing..

Agprich,(see Joe! how lucky you are..just think of Agprich's Dad) if you want I can fax you a copy of the article.

love & happiness

Ritchie

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Dr John
Date: 15 Dec 98 - 04:47 PM

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Dr John
Date: 15 Dec 98 - 04:49 PM

Name: Dave Bulmer Place: Harrogate, North Yorkshire Also recordings by Tony Rose and many others Motive: Not Known

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin
Date: 15 Dec 98 - 06:47 PM

Dave Bulmer seems to have bought up the rights to back catalogue recorded by Bill Leader, but not the items he recorded for the excellent Topic label. He recored some excellent stuff which was issued on his own lable, Leader, and other excellent stuff, of which Nic Jones is a prime example, on a label which he called Trailer.

It's the fact that Dave Bulmer has cornered those wonderful recording, but now won't let them be re-released, that is sticking in many people's throats.

It is difficult, to fathom his reasons. As Dr John has said so succinctly, Motive: Not Known.

Bobby Bob, late but still looking

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 16 Dec 98 - 08:48 PM

Joe,
A name like Nic Off er would be received in a very interesting way in Oz!

Cheers,
Alan

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Dr John
Date: 21 Dec 98 - 01:21 PM

This situation is rather like Alan Lomax's many recordings being locked away in someone's vault. Fortunately companies like Rounder make them available to us. What I would dearly like to know is what Bill Leader thinks of all this. There must be some mint copies of Nick Jones's LP's out there (mine aren't quite); now does anyone have the courage....?

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Ritchie
Date: 23 Dec 98 - 05:00 AM

Well good Dr.

we've never had a lynching party from up here in Newcastle,(other than for football) for ages.

I,m going to shave off what little hair I have left and start recruiting ,....you & Bobby Bob are in ...& there is no need for Gargoyle or the Shambles to apply they are pencilled in too. Apparently Joe Offer once sang with Gusto so that makes him eligible & I suppose because it is the 90's we will have to include a member of the fairer sex.(I wonder if Art's interested ?)

Actually I had lunch on saturday gone with a colleague who is 'in the music business' and he told me all about the 'Dimwit' & he could n't explain why he was doing it either but he did tell me about some of his other business activities...

I hope you don't mind me taking on the role of 'Chris' but it all started when I went into a local hairdressers when I was younger and asked if he could cut my hair like Tony Curtis (it was all the rage when I was a lad) 'Yes' he replied 'Just sit down' He then proceeded to cut my hair..when he finished he lifted up the mirror to show me and to my horror he had shaved it all off..'Hey ' I cried 'what's this ? dont you know what Tony Curtis looks like ?' I screamed. 'Course I do' he replied ' I've seen The King and I four times.'

love & happiness

Ritchie (I can name the magnificent 7)

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Smeebes
Date: 27 Jan 99 - 02:34 PM

the Harrogate connection

re: the 4 vinyl albums of Nic Jones, I picked up that the ownership was with "Celtic Music". I'm now staring at a CD re-release of "English Sporting Ballads" which has "Celtic Music" and "C M Distribution, Hookstone Park, Harrogate, N.Yorkshire, UK Tel [phone] Fax [phone]" printed on the CD inlay. Since the latter address is not an over-print or stick-on label, I'm wondering if the two entities are somehow connected ??

As regards 'why are we having to wait' the awful truth could be that the master tapes are mislaid, lost or destroyed. I can't believe it's a timing/pricing issue.

Subject: RE: Nick Jones
From: Dr John
Date: 28 Jan 99 - 02:32 PM

I've a vinyl copy of "English Sporting Ballads" (The High Level Ranters and Martyn Wyndham-Read)which was issued by "Broadside" a label of Jon Raven, who still has the majority of the Broadside masters but they remain so far unreleased on CD. However he did say he was considering rereleasing on CD at some point so I was interested to read this. His distributors of his recordings are CM Ditribution, Harrogate and I've always assumed this to be the same as Celtic Music - too much of a co-incidence otherwise. A while ago there was correspondence about all this in "Folk Roots" but without inside knowledge it was impossible to follow. There was also an article in a Sunday paper about all this but I didn't see it. Incidently the Joneses themselves do not understand why the records have remained unreleased and don't understand Dave Bulmer either. COME ON BILL LEADER, you must be out there - PLEASE REPLY!!!

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: GUEST,John C
Date: 18 May 07 - 11:40 AM

Does anyone out there really know which tuning Nic used for Farewell to the gold?
It's driving me mad tring to play it 'a'la' Nic.
Someone please help!!

John C

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 May 07 - 12:03 PM

possibly cgcgcd,this was a favourite tuning of Nics.

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 May 07 - 12:16 PM

I think it's in C modal too (haven't tried it though) but you could always ask the author Paul Metsers via his website and he'll sell you a copy of his songbook.

Or send Nic Jones a MySpace message.

Whatever you do, take no notice of the Black Family who not only don't pay Paul Metsers any royalties but start off with 'just over the river' instead of 'Shotover River'.

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: Chris Green
Date: 18 May 07 - 01:26 PM

It's in DGDGCD (Modal G) However on the recording, the guitar's tuned down a tone, so it's actually in CFCFBbC. He must have used unbelievably heavy strings! Don't have time to tab the lot, but there are basically three chords - G C and D - which are played thusly

G       C          D

0       0          0
2       0          2
0       0          2
0       2          0
0       0          x
x       x          4

Hope that helps!

Chris

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 May 07 - 05:55 PM

I agree with Countess Richard,the song was written by Paul Metsers,the guitar arrangement was By Nic Jones,it would be a pleasing gesture to contact them both,after all, without their work,you would not be able to have the music to play.

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 May 07 - 06:01 PM

of course the best thing to do is to do it your own way.

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 06:14 AM

i think it could be the same guy who got hold of vin garbutts stuff. i spoke to vin and its and exasperating situation to be in . He certainly doesnt have the folk tradition in mind or he would get these released . i am digitising a lot of my albums so i could help someone out if they wanted ? i got a few early albums by nic

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 08:25 AM

Might be interesting to try this in sawmill dgcd on the banjo
it's in GDGCD, the high g might be interesting with the d modal chord.

G       C          D

0       0          0
2       0          2
0       0          2
0       2          0

Subject: RE: Nick Jones (Nic Jones)
From: pavane
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 02:27 PM

Guest, As I understand, Nic does not want his albums bootlegged. He wants a proper resolution. And I didn't realise Vin Garbutt had also been affected.

There is a suspicion that certain people have been avoiding their responsibility to pay royalties by releasing home-burned CD ROMS which do not get declared to the relevant organisation (MPCS). Pressed CD's would have to be declared and the number of copies would be known.