Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 21 Dec 07 - 08:00 AM The song that's called GREEN GREEN, IT'S GREEN THEY SAY in the DT should actually be called GREEN GREEN. It was written by Barry McGuire and Randy Sparks, and was recorded by The New Christy Minstrels. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Dec 07 - 06:45 PM The DT transcription of Tommy Thompson's "Hot Buttered Rum" has some mondegreens. You'll find a much better transcription in this post from the ever-reliable rich r. I wonder where Rich has been lately. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Dec 07 - 02:13 AM "On the Road to Fairfax County" filename[ RDFAIRFX is by David Massengill - note spelling of songwriter name |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Nov 07 - 03:32 AM While we're on the subject of Jimmie Driftwood, He Had a Long Chain On is the proper title of "Long Chain On" - and the songwriter was Jimmie Driftwood. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 23 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM The song that is called SAINT BRENDAN'S VOYAGE in the DT should actually be called ST. BRENDAN'S FAIR ISLE. (It is correctly attributed to Jimmie Driftwood.) There is a different song called ST. BRENDAN'S VOYAGE by Christy Moore. The lyrics are here: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38251#536819
-Joe Offer- |
Subject: DT Correction: Jolly Tinker 2 From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Nov 07 - 02:34 PM The DT version of "Jolly Tinker 2" is taken from Traditional American Folk Songs, Warner and Warner Collected from Lena Bourne Fish The warner book has one additional verse: THE JOLLY TINKER 2 I am a jolly tinker That goes from town to town, I will mend your pots and kettles If you'll only bring them 'round. Chorus: Tu-ra-laddy, tu-ra-laddy, Tu-ra-laddy hi-row. I know how to solder And I can mend a pot, I can also stop a hole So it will not leak a drop. I can mend umbrellas And I can tinker a clock, The housewives are all smiles When they see the tinker stop. A tinker never marries, Has a girl in every town, And they shower me with kisses As they bring their kettles down. They feast me and regale me With choicest meats and wine, At whatever house I stop at I can always sup and dine. So many wait my coming, For I have many friends, I never stored much gold, Yet I have a lot to spend. My life is wild and free And I do not seek renown, I'm just a jolly tinker With a girl in every town. From Traditional American Folk Songs, Warner and Warner Collected from Lena Bourne Fish, 1940 @work @rambling filename[ JOLITNK2 TUNE FILE: JOLITNK2 RG |
Subject: DT Correction: Finlandia From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Nov 07 - 01:14 AM Corrected typos for lyrics of "Finlandia" FINLANDIA (Words, Lloyd Stone; Music Jean Sibelius) This is my song, O God of all the nations A song of peace, for lands afar and mine This is my home, the country where my heart is Here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine But other hearts in other lands are beating With hopes and dreams as true and high as mine My country's skies are bluer than the ocean And sunlight beams on clover leaf and pine But other lands have sunlight too, and clover And skies are everywhere as blue as mine O hear my song, thou God of all the nations A song of peace for their land and for mine performed by the Indigo Girls on their first self-titled EP. @patriotic filename[ FINLNDIA TUNE FILE: FINLNDIA TD oct97 |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Nov 07 - 04:16 PM Hi, Susan - looks like we have two DT songs titled "Still I Love Him 2" - I think they're identical, but it's hard for me to see them side-by-side on this laptop. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 24 Sep 07 - 08:19 AM MANSION ON THE HILL was written by Hank Williams and Fred Rose, not Jim Reeves. See this thread. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Aug 07 - 10:33 PM "Lost Jimmy Whelan 2" has lots of OCR errors. Corrected text in this message (click). -Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 20 Jul 07 - 01:18 AM THE EDMUND FITZGERALD should properly be called THE WRECK OF THE EDMUND FITZGERALD. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 26 Jun 07 - 01:43 AM Ten O'Clock and All Is Well - songwriters are Bob Gibson and Bob (Hamilton) Camp. The Judy Collins recording leaves off the tragic last verse. I'm glad the DT includes it. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 13 Jun 07 - 05:44 PM DEVIL VERSUS THE WIDOW is correctly attributed to Mick Ryan, but the title should be THE WIDOW'S PROMISE. That's what Mick called it on his album by the same name. I don't see the point of giving less information in a title than is currently given. Few songs have a "real" title and, even when they do have a real title, people do not necessarily know that and look for it that way. S of DT |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Mar 07 - 10:39 PM Wait For the Wagon- Sheet music, 1851, F. D. Benteen, publisher, Baltimore. Song credited to George P. Knauff. Sheet music, c. 1851, Miller and Beacham, Baltimore. Song credited to George P. Knauff. (These in American Memory) Song published without attribution, but noted as published by James E. Boswell, Baltimore, in Christy's Plantation Melodies, 1851, Fisher and Brother, Philadelphia. This publication on line, American Libraries Collection, at Text Archive. http://www.archive.org/details/texts Further note in closed permathread. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Dec 06 - 04:45 PM HER BRIGHT SMIE HAUNTS ME STILL might be easier to find if the title were changed. Same spelling in the 2005 DT, so it's still incorrect. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 19 Nov 06 - 08:09 PM All the following information comes from James J. Fuld's book "The Book of World Famous Music," Fourth Edition, 1995: ALMA MATER (CORNELL) - Music, "Annie Lisle," H. S. Thompson, 1858. Words, Archibald C. Weeks and Wilmot M. Smith, 1872. BEER BARREL POLKA - Music, Jaromír Vejvoda. Original Czech words (ŠKODA LÁSKY) Vašek Zeman, 1934. English words, Lew Brown and Wladimir A. Timm, 1939. BELIEVE ME IF ALL THOSE ENDEARING YOUNG CHARMS - Words, Thomas Moore, 1807-8. Music, unknown, 1775. BILL BAILEY should be called BILL BAILEY WON'T YOU PLEASE COME HOME? CASEY JONES – Words, T. Lawrence Seibert. Music, Eddie Newton. 1909. CIELITO LINDO – Quirino Mendoza y Cortez, 1919. DAISY BELL OR A BICYCLE MADE FOR TWO – should be called DAISY BELL (A BICYCLE BUILT FOR TWO). HALLS OF MONTEZUMA should be called THE MARINES' HYMN. Music, Jacques Offenbach, 1868. Words, uncertain, 1917. HARK THE HERALD ANGELS SING – Words, Charles Wesley, 1739; modified by George Whitefield, 1753. Music, Felix Mendelssohn, 1840. I DREAM OF JEANNIE WITH THE LIGHT BROWN HAIR – should be called JEANIE WITH THE LIGHT BROWN HAIR (note one 'N' in 'JEANIE') IT AIN'T GONNA RAIN NO MO' - the original lyrics are given in http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=2392#1487974. It was written by Wendell Hall in 1923. IT CAME UPON THE MIDNIGHT CLEAR – words, Edmund H. Sears, 1849; music, Richard Storrs Willis, 1850. IT'S A LONG LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY – Jack Judge and Harry Williams, 1912. JOY TO THE WORLD (1) – words, Isaac Watts, 1719. Music, Lowell Mason, 1837. K-K-K-KATY – Geoffrey O'Hara, 1918. LAST ROSE OF SUMMER should be called 'TIS THE LAST ROSE OF SUMMER. The lyrics are by Thomas Moore, but the tune is an altered version of a traditional one, THE GROVES OF BLARNEY. LISTEN TO THE MOCKING BIRD – note "MOCKING BIRD" should be two words. Words, Alice Hawthorne. Music, Richard Milburn. 1855. LONG LONG TRAIL should be called THERE'S A LONG LONG TRAIL. Words, Stoddard King. Music, Zo Elliott, 1914. O COME ALL YE FAITHFUL – music and original Latin words (ADESTE FIDELES) written by John Francis Wade, 1750. The familiar English words were written by Frederick Oakeley in 1852. OH GENEVIEVE should be called SWEET GENEVIEVE. Words, George Cooper. Music, Henry Tucker. 1869. OH LITTLE TOWN OF BETHLEHEM should be O LITTLE.... Words, Rev. Dr. Phillips Brooks, 1868. The words have been set to various tunes by different people. REUBEN AND RACHEL. The original version begins "Reuben, I have long been thinking." Complete lyrics are posted at http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=63065#1021832 . Words, Harry Birch; Music, William Gooch; 1878. RUDOLPH, THE RED-NOSED REINDEER (without the kids' additions) was written by Johnny Marks, 1949. SWEET ADELINE – Words, Richard H. Gerard. Music, Henry W. Armstrong. 1903. SWEET AND LOW – Words, Alfred Tennyson, 1850. Music, J. Barnby, 1863. THE CAISSONS GO ROLLING ALONG was written by Edmund L Gruber. THE MAN ON THE FLYING TRAPEZE 2 has the correct original lyrics, and is correctly attributed to George Leybourne; however the title should be THE FLYING TRAPEZE. THE MAN ON THE FLYING TRAPEZE [1] is apparently a folk variant. THERE'LL BE A HOT TIME should be called A HOT TIME IN THE OLD TOWN. VIVE L'AMOUR should be called VIVE LA COMPAGNIE, according to its original publication. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Nov 06 - 02:27 AM Crying was written by Roy Orbison and Joe Melson, 1961 - DT has it attributed to Don McLean. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Nov 06 - 02:54 PM "Wait for the Wagon" in the DT is credited to R. Bishop Buckley, the Englishman who organized Buckley's Minstrels. Although this seems to be a minstrel song, the attribution should be followed by (?). The earliest American sheet music (1851) has "Words & Music (?). PD music lists the words by anonymous and music by Buckley, arr. Geo. P. Knauff. George P. Knauff, who published the Important "Virginia Reels, I," in 1839, cannot be ignored as the possible composer of the music (and the words in the DT), or at least should be cited as co-author. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Date: 16 Oct 06 - 09:47 PM The copyright attribution to Randy Newman for "Polly on the Shore" is quite mysterious. Thanks to a guest, here for a recent heads up. Also noted by Malcolm Douglas back in 2001... (and in another thread that year as well). Trad., certainly. Not immediately apparent where that exact text came from, unless someone's got the Fairport album to check. ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Sep 06 - 04:27 AM The DT has The Grenwood Laddie taken from Kennedy - but Kennedy calls it "The Greenwood Laddie." See this thread (click) for minor corrections to the lyrics, as transcribed from Kennedy. Free the People is by Phil Coulter and Bill Martin. This thread has some lyrics corrections. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 10 Aug 06 - 09:17 PM THREE LITTLE FISHES should actually be called THREE LITTLE FISHIES. It was written by Saxie Dowell, copyright 1939. The actual published lyrics are written in "baby talk": "Down in de meddy in a itty bitty poo" etc. This thread: Lyr Req: Three Little Fishies has publication data and partial lyrics. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:40 AM Blue Water Line, a signature song for the Brothers Four, was written by Dora Graf and Martin Seligson. The DT says the song was recorded by Kingston Trio, but I don't believe that's so. The only recording I could find is the one by the Brothers Four - but that one recording is on eight different CD's. Oh - and the DT has the name of William Jennings Bryan wrong.... -Joe Offer- Corrections to lyrics in this thread (click) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:11 AM As Arly pointed out in this thread, the song that's called OVER AND OVER AGAIN in the DT is actually PEACE MUST COME by Paul Metsers.
-Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Barry Finn Date: 19 Jun 06 - 02:46 PM Ida Lewis in the DT was written by Barry Finn. Barry Finn |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 19 Jun 06 - 12:28 AM "The Reader's Digest Country and Western Songbook" says ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL was written by Ervin T. Rouse, and was copyrighted in 1938. There is also information in this thread |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 16 Jun 06 - 01:18 AM The words to HOME ON THE RANGE are by Brewster M. Higley, 1873; the music by Daniel E. Kelley, 1904. I have this information from "The Reader's Digest Country and Western Songbook," but it is also given in a couple of threads about the song. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 14 Jun 06 - 08:46 AM TENNESSEE WALTZ was written by Redd Stewart and Pee Wee King, 1948. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 13 Jun 06 - 11:41 PM GENTLE ON MY MIND was written by John Hartford, 1967. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 13 Jun 06 - 08:23 AM THE GAMBLER (3) was written by Don Schlitz and recorded by Kenny Rogers in 1978. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 27 Apr 06 - 07:20 AM MEN was written by Martin Mull and Steve Martin, as it explains in this thread and at this Steve Martin web site. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Apr 06 - 04:23 AM Subject: Bug Eye author From: Trapper Date: 14-Apr-06 - 06:48 PM Wanted to mention that the song you list as "The Bug Eye" was written and copyrighted by the late Robert Kotta, as was "Tequila in the Jar". |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Mar 06 - 01:24 AM This thread says The Easter Tree was written by Dave Goulder. filename[ EASTRTRE -Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 31 Dec 05 - 10:32 AM WAY DOWN IN SHAWNEETOWN should actually be called simply SHAWNEETOWN, according to several websites such as Sing Out, which attributes it to "Traditional/Dillon Bustin." |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 20 Dec 05 - 12:34 AM The song that is called A SAILOR AIN'T A SAILOR should actually be called LAST SHANTY. This is how it is named on Tom Lewis's web site |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Dec 05 - 01:54 AM Seven Daffodils attribution: (words by Fran Moseley, Music by Lee Hays), 1957, Sang Music. I've also submitted corrected lyrics and a tune in this thread. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Date: 06 Nov 05 - 03:22 PM THE FALSE LADY words and midi are apparently transcribed from the singing of Tony Barrand on Dark Ships in the Forest (as cited in abbreviated form). This version is in Bronson's Traditional Tunes of the Child Ballads as No. 68. Young Hunting, version no. 36 [The Faulse Ladye] (p. 78). He took it from Barry, Eckstorm, and Smyth, p. 122 (Barry, Phillips, Fannie H. Ecksorm, and Mary W. Smyth. British Ballads from Maine. New Haven, 1929.). It was sung by Thomas Edward Nelson, in Union Mills, New Brunswick, Canada, on February 18, 1929. He learned it from his mother, who was born in Ireland. John & Tony's printed text has "beg and stay all night" in the second line of the first and second verse as in the original, but not in the DT. I think John and Tony's rendition loses the G#s at the end of the tune, probably due to the straight Gm banjo accompaniment that John Roberts uses. Here's the tune as in Bronson: X:1 T:False Lady C:Trad. N:Bronson 68.36. p. 78 Q:1/4=120 M:4/4 L:1/8 K:Am E2 |A2 A2 A3 B |A2 G2 E3 E |c2 d2 c2 d2 |e6 E2 |A2 A2 c2 d2 |e2 e2 e2 ee |d2 c2 AG E2 |c4 B2 AA |^G2 A=G E2 ^G2 |A6 |] ~ Becky in Tucson Sent to dick for tune update |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:52 PM Likewise, at THE GARDEN SONG and THE ANTI-GARDEN SONG, David Mallett's name is misspelled (as Mallet) – but there, they call him "Dave." (I guess that's OK, since on some of his albums, he's called Dave, and on some, he's called David.) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:42 PM I'VE BEEN AROUND - David Mallett's name is misspelled (as Mallet). |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Date: 29 Oct 05 - 05:19 PM Thank you, Snuffy, for both infos. LL was one of the first songs I tried to puzzle out 30 years ago, and I kept finding mistakes because my English was still somewhat deficient. That's when I bought a computer. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Snuffy Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:09 AM In LIVERPOOL LULLABY, Nelly is not working at the loom, but at the Lune (Lune Laundry, Lawrence Road, Wavertree, Liverpool). I remember seeing their vans all over Liverpool in the 60s and 70s. Look at the bottom of this page: A Wavertree Memory |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Snuffy Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:09 AM Network Southeast is the official name of the train company, but NOTwork Southeast is the correct title of the song, because the trains did NOT WORK properly (or at all) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Susanne (skw) Date: 20 Oct 05 - 08:19 PM The Yew Tree - uncredited. It was penned by Brian McNeill. Two strange titles in the DT: Notwork Southeast - should be Network Southeast
-Joe Offer- North Sea Holes - should be North Sea Shaols, although I've seen it with the former title on a Bob Fox CD. Doesn't make it right, though.
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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 20 Oct 05 - 07:53 AM ALL MY LIFE'S A CIRCLE by Harry Chapin. The correct title is simply CIRCLE.
But that's my opinion, stated here so Susan of DT can see it and decide. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:52 PM Alastair McDonald wrote Culloden's Harvest |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 19 Sep 05 - 01:03 AM Re: THE DRAPES OF ROTH, attributed to "Alan Sherman". According to this Allan Sherman discography, the correct title of this song is THE BALLAD OF HARRY LEWIS, And the spelling is Allan, not Alan. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Sep 05 - 07:53 PM See this thread, which says that "By the Dry Cardrona" - filename[ CARDRONA - is not an Australian song - it's from New Zealand. The DT version has a Sandy Paton transcription that has been filtered through at least a couple of American singers and has a few Mondegreens. The thread has what may be a better transcription. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:02 AM Rita MacNeil's name is spelled two different ways at THE WAR OF CONDITIONING and they're both wrong. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:36 PM Re: HOW MUCH IS THAT DOGGIE IN THE WINDOW The correct title is THAT DOGGIE IN THE WINDOW. I suppose you could show it as (HOW MUCH IS) THAT DOGGIE IN THE WINDOW. The songwriter is Bob Merrill, published 1953. This information from Indiana University Sheet Music Collections. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Aug 05 - 09:49 PM Note corrections to attribution and lyrics for the song "Borderlines" in this thread (click). "The Ferryman" (DT File FERRYMAN) was written by Pete St. John. Corrected lyrics are in my post toward the end of this thread (click). "The Isle of Innisfree" was written by Richard Farrelly. Corrected lyrics from his son's Website are toward the end of this thread. I put the lyrics in a different typeface so they're easy to find. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 24 Jun 05 - 04:29 PM Lyrics to MARY'S DREAM, in the DT, were written by John Lowe in 1772. Lyrics in the DT, copied from Mary O. Eddy, "Ballads and Songs from Ohio," p. 201, titled Mary O' the Dee (Mary's Dream), are exactly as written by Lowe. John Lowe, 1750-1798, born in Scotland, emigrated to the United States. See: 1. Virtual American Biographies (Appleton's Cyclopedia of American Biography) www.famousamericans.net/johnlowe/ 2. www.contemplator.com/scotland/dream.html 3. www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/OswaldMrsLucyc1767-97.696.shtml 4. Mary's Dream [Laws K20] - Lowe, John --appears in Cox, Wolfe, and Morris; also Haydn: Scottish Songs (1981). --www.ibiblio.org/folkindex/m04.htm 5. Gilfillan, George, Specimens with Memoirs of the Less-known British Poets, volume 3: www.gutenberg.org/etext/9669 6. Cox, J. H. 1925, "Folk-Songs of the South," correctly attributed the lyrics to John Lowe and gave references; he collected the song as "Mary O' the Dee" but knew of its occurrence in "The Scots Musical Museum" and other works, and was aware that the supposed Scottish dialect original (by Cunningham?) was a later creation. 7. Several attributed song sheets in the Bodleian Library. Etc. The tune, so far as is known, is traditional. It has been used for other lyrics, including at least one Confederate Civil War song. It is strange that Mary O. Eddy was not aware of the origin of this well-known 'ghost' song. |
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