DT Attribution & Minor Corrections - recorded msgs

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From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 Jan 04 - 07:45 AM

Laura Lee in the DT, compared with Laura Lea in the sheet music at the Levy collection, has the title misspelled, the names of the lyricist and composer reversed, the chorus missing (although the chorus is only a repetition of the last 2 lines of the first verse), and a few small differences in the words. A better copy is posted here.

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I believe the song title is usually spelled Aura Lea. The Book of World-Famous Music says "Aura Lee has words by W.W. Fosdick, Music by George R. Poulton, copyright May 1, 1861. In 1956, a new lyric entitled "Love Me Tender" was written to the melody by Elvis Presley and Vera Matson.
-Joe Offer-

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From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 01:41 AM

Mary Dear - Words by Andrew B. Sterling, music by Harry von Tilzer, 1902.
Recorded by Gene Autry & Charlie Poole

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Cuilionn
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 12:19 AM

I posted this elsewhere, but might as well say it here.

Mary Litchfield Tuel, past member of the group "Women, Women & Song", sent the following to me via e-mail:

"Libbie (or as she prefers to be known professionally, Elizabeth W.
Anthony) wrote the Key of R and I told her at the time it was a work of comic genius and it still is and I still think so but it never hurts for other people to tell her so. It has been passed around quite a bit, and I have heard it attributed to me, but I didn't write it, Libbie did, and it would grieve us both for people to get that wrong..."

SO.... please change attribution for "Key of R" to credit Elizabeth W. Anthony.

Moran Taing/Muckle Thanks,

--Cuilionn (and yes, I will get around to re-registering one of these days!)

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 11:20 PM

But mostly because that's what the song's writers, Dick Nudds and Chris Sugden (uncredited in the DT file), called it.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 09:50 PM

According to Malcolm Douglas, the song in the DT called FALL DEE RAY should actually be called THE VILLAGE PIMP, as it is a parody by the Kipper Family of THE VILLAGE PUMP.

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From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Dec 03 - 06:04 PM

THE JEELIE PIECE SONG (SKYSCRAPER WEAN)
Spelling should be McNaughtan, not MacNaughton.
(McNaughtan is how his name is spelled at Greentrax, his record company.)

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Dec 03 - 12:22 AM

SILVER BELL
Words, Edward Madden. Music, Percy Wenrich. 1910.
(Information from The Levy Collection.)
The lyrics here are more accurate.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 11:53 PM

According to several sites such as this one, SWEET VIOLETS [2] was written by Cy Coben and Charles Grean, copyright 1951. (But that might not be the oldest version.)

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Dec 03 - 01:13 AM

As explained in this thread, the song called GOOD FISH CHOWDER was originally a poem called JERRY MULLIGAN by John Ciardi set to the traditional tune THE WINNIPEG WHORE. It was Greg Hildebrand who first got the idea to combine them, and Joe Hickerson who first recorded it.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 04:43 AM

Joe

BTW, the Johnny McEvoy attribution is correct - I wasn't sure when I first posted the song.

Regards

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 01:43 AM

Bells of Rhymney - tune from Pete Seeger. Lyrics by Welsh poet Idris Davies, who lived in Tonypandy in the Rhondda Valley the heart of the coalfields of South Wales. I see the lyrics are goofed up a bit. Here's a complete, corrected transcription:

BELLS OF RHYMNEY
(Idris Davies & Pete Seeger)

Oh what will you give me?
Say the sad bells of Rhymney
Is there hope for the future?
Cry the brown bells of Merthyr.
Who made the mine owner?
Say the black bells of Rhondda.
And who robbed the miner?
Cry the grim bells of Blaina.

They will plunder willy-nilly,
Cry the bells of Caerphilly.
They have fangs, they have teeth,
Say the loud bells of Neath.
Even God is uneasy,
Say the moist bells of Swansea.
And what will you give me?
Say the sad bells of Rhymney


Put the vandals in court
Say the bells of Newport.
All would be well if, if, if,
Cry the green bells of Cardiff.
Why so worried, sisters, why?
Sang the silver bells of Wye.
And what will you give me?
Say the sad bells of Rhymney.


Lyrics from "Gwalia Deserta" by Welsh poet Idris Davies, who lived in Tonypandy in the Rhondda Valley the heart of the coalfields of South Wales. The poem was written in about 1927, and published in 1938. Tune by Pete Seeger, 1959.
Copyright Ludlow Music, 1959.

Source: "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?" - a book by Pete Seeger.

@Welsh
recorded by Ian Campbell Folk Group
filename[ BELLRHYM
TUNE FILE: BELLRHYM
CLICK TO PLAY
SOF

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 01:17 AM

Looks like we have the "Ballad of John Williams" twice: 5802 and 447. Attribution to Johnny McEvoy is correct, says Martin Ryan.

We also have A Memory of You and Memory of You - same song, except that the latter song does not seem to have any grammatical errors (there shouldn't be an apostrophe in the possessive "its"). No attribution or tune for "Memory" - where did it come from?
-Joe Offer-

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More Duplicates:
1175 CHRTRAV CHRIST WAS A TRAVELER
9250 CHRITRAV CHRIST WAS A WAYWORN TRAVELER

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More:
8863 The Hash My Father Scored (Micca)
8864 Hash My Father Scored (Micca)

I heard this song sung by a guy in a cape in a genuine pub in England, and I'll agree it's memorable, but TWICE???

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 05:55 PM

Add author attribution:
"Wal, I Swan," by Benjamin Hapgood Burt, 1907, sheet music pub. by Witmark and Sons, from the play, "The Yankee Tourist."
(AKA Ebenezer Frye (on sheet music as subtitle) and Git Up, Napoleon).
Sheet music in Levy Coll. but not shown.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 09:56 PM

The song "First Kill" in the DT was written by me (Mike Campbell) in 1993 and recorded on my first CD "The Sculptor".

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 07:20 PM

THEY DON'T WRITE THEM LIKE THAT ANY MORE was written by Pete Betts, as explained in this thread where Pete himself posted some lyric corrections and explanations.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 02:00 PM

I've been checking spellings. This list is probably not complete.

BALLAD OF HARRY POLLITT - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters
BY THE BANKS OF THE REEDY LAGOON – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndom-Read
CONSTANT LOVERS – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham Read
CRUEL SHIP'S CAPTAIN - should be MacColl, not McColl
DIAMOND JOE – should be Ramblin' (with an apostrophe) and Elliott, not Elliot
DIAMOND JOE (2) – should be Elliott, not Elliot
DIAMOND JOE (3) – should be Elliott, not Elliot
DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters
EDELWEISS - should be Rodgers, not Rogers
GAOL SONG - should be Wrigley, not Wriggly
GENTLE ANNIE 2 – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham-Road
HOBO BILL'S LAST RIDE - should be Rodgers, not Rogers
HOW FAR IS HEAVEN - at the bottom of the page, should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
MAID OF AUSTRALIA – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham-Reed
MOTHER, THE QUEEN OF MY HEART - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
MRS. ADLAM'S ANGELS - should be Ralph McTell, not Brian Bower (which is misspelled anyway)
MY ROUGH AND ROWDY WAYS - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
PEACH PICKING TIME IN GEORGIA - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
RED ROSE CAFÉ – should be Fureys' not Furey's
RIGHT SAID FRED (CUP OF TEA) - should be Cribbins not Cribbens
SHAPE OF MY LOVE - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters
SISTER JOSEPHINE – should be Thackray, not Thackeray
TORN A' MA GOON - should be MacBeath not McBeath
TWIN BALLOTS – should be Vance Randolph, not simply Vance
VERY UNFORTUNATE MAN - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
WHY SHOULD I BE LONELY - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Oct 03 - 03:45 PM

SALLY WHEATLEY

The DT credits this to Alex Glasgow, though the entry includes "differing opinions" which identify the real writer of the song, Joe Wilson of Newcastle (c.1840-1874). There is plenty of documentation available, and attribution is not in doubt. Glasgow provided the tune generally used nowadays for the song, which was originally sung to The Happy Land of Air-in (i.e. The Happy Land of Erin, itself based on the American song The Happy Land of Canaan). Details at Tune Req: Sally Wheatley. So far as is known, Glasgow wrote the new tune himself, either because he was unable to identify the original one, or didn't like it; but he did not write the lyric.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Oct 03 - 03:21 PM

Uneasy Rider, words and music by Charlie Daniels, 1973.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:53 PM

Note extra words in the first line of The Lumber Camp Song.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 10:45 PM

Correct attribution for THE FATAL WEDDING :
Words, W. H Windom. Music, Gussie L. Davis. Copyright 1893.
This is based on the sheet music at The Lester S. Levy Collection.

I have posted a new set of lyrics, with minor corrections, in this thread.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 11:12 PM

Note misspelled title of Lydia, the Tattooed Lady. Words by E.Y. Harburg, music by Harold Arlen.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 04:49 AM

I've just found that the great song 'The Yew Tree' is in the DT, complete with extensive notes, but no attribution to its author Brian McNeill. I'd be grateful if this could be added soon.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 01:26 PM

Hi, Susan -
On Okie From Muskogee, please correct the spelling of the title and note that the song is by Merle Haggard and Roy Edward Burris. Copyright 1969, by Tree Publishing Company.
Source: Sing Your Heart Out, Country Boy. The lyrics seem OK, although the chorus isn't sung until after the second verse.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

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From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 05:28 AM

The 'New Morning Dew' in the DT is correctly titled
THE WHOLE WORLD'S TURNING PADDY and is by
Pat Cooksey

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:01 AM

The name of Bernard Cribbins is misspelled in the notes for RIGHT SAID FRED (CUP OF TEA). (He is correctly identified as a performer, not the author.)

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 12:32 PM

We have "Greenback Dollar" (Hoyt Axton and Ken Ramsey) twice:
filename[ GRENDOLR
and
filename[ GRENBACK - titled "Greenback Dollar 2"

The second rendition is probably the better one, although I could do without affectations like "greenback-a dollar."

-Joe Offer

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 03 - 02:11 AM

I'm confused about The Miller's Will (2) and Locks and Bolts. Both have DT #328, and they don't seem to be related. I believe the three "Millers' Will" songs should have DT #348
Thanks.
^^ -Joe Offer-

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From: GUEST,Peterr
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 11:56 AM

Dublin Lady, attributed to John Connolly, I believe was originally written by Patrick Carroll, tune by Andy Irvine.

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From: OldPossum
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 03:42 PM

Walk Awhile, filename[ WALKWHIL has Words and Music by D. Swarbrick and R. Thompson, according to the songbook Fairport (Fairport Convention On Tour) 1976.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 03 - 05:40 PM

Please check the thread on Gordon Bok's Cape Ann. Despite the extraordinary amount of verbal abuse I endured in the thead, I think I'm right. I transcribed the lyrics from the Bok CD booklet, and they're the same as in the Bok Time and the Flying Snow songbook. The DT lyrics aren't off much, but there are differences (the tune seems OK).
But at the very least, the DT title should be changed so it's spelled Cape Ann (the DT spells it "Anne" - you could be run out of Gloucester for that).
Actually, I have to admit I enjoy the abuse...
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Jun 03 - 02:40 PM

There is a song in the DT called SOME LITTLE BUG.

The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music gives this info (and somewhat different lyrics):

SOME LITTLE BUG IS GOING TO FIND YOU
Words by Benjamin Hapgood Burt and Roy Atwell.
Music by Silvio Hein.
Copyright 1915 by T. B. Harms and Francis, Day & Hunter, New York.

A complete transcription is in the thread called Songs about a hospital (for school program).

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 10:04 PM

There's a song that's identified in the database as "GLOBAL VIEW (Monty Python);

This is the way the same song is described in the soundtrack listing for "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life" (1983) at IMDb:

"Galaxy Song"
Lyrics Eric Idle
Music by Eric Idle & John Du Prez

At AMG it is described thus:

The Galaxy Song (Duprez/Idle)

Eric Idle, of course, is a member of the comedy team called Monty Python.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 03 - 01:53 PM

Not exactly an attribution problem, but we have the same song twice:
Mickey's Mouseketeers
Mickey's Mousketeers

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 09:39 PM

THE WATERFORD BOYS   Wrestling With Rats (The Waterford Boys): Harry Clifton (1832-1872). See sheet music at Levy:

The Waterford Boys

Discussion here: The Waterford Boys

What did you want changed, Malcolm?

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 09:19 PM

Weight - should be "the Weight," by Jaime (Robbie) Robertson of The Band, 1968.

I didn't know the name until today - I always thought it was "Take a Load Off (Your) Fanny" - and I have no idea what it means.

-Joe Mondegreen-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: Irving the Rover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 01:38 AM

From Martin Grosswendt via his sister Tina Dodd when asked about "Irving the Rover" (unattributed in the DT):

"Irving the Rover was written by John O'Donnell and Truck Croteau VERY early one morning before we all left on a trip to Helen's (Schneyer) house for Thanksgiving in the blue Volkswagen squareback."

Tina says that was 1969.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Stewie
Date: 12 Mar 03 - 06:06 PM

Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' give 1899 as the date for 'Who Threw the Overalls ...'

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Mar 03 - 05:56 PM

Looks like we have two entries for Richard Thompson's "Dimming of the Day." The second is spelled "Dinning of the Day."
-Joe Offer-

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Also, please note the corrections from Malcolm that were posted along with the MIDI for Woman's Rights

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From: GUEST,Q
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:48 AM

Who threw the overalls- Re-reading the notes at the Levy site, the 1937 copy was published by the Calumet Music Co. I have an idea that the copy is a late printing. My notes (1898) were probably correct; did the Calumet Co. go back that far?

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 11:12 PM

What Does the Deep Sea Say? - songwriter is a feller named Woody GUTHRIE - note spelling of his name, so it will come up in searches.
I suppose it can be attributed to Woody, but it seems there are many versions - so the sonng might be better termed "traditional." -Joe Offer-

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From: Felipa
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 06:27 PM

http://www.themediadrome.com/content/poetry/churchill_dream_angus.htm attributes to George Churchill
others say the song is traditional
If you have further information, please add it here
(If you have info. other than regarding the author, there's a thread for Dream Angus)

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From: GUEST,Q
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:50 PM

Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder" was written by George L. Geifer, 1898. See Levy site for sheet music

My error on the date of "Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder"- The Levy site dates it 1937. I had 1898 in my notebook, which is probably wrong. The author is George L. Geifer, however.

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I think the Levy site is misleading on this one, Q. I have a Dover book called Favorite Songs of the Nineties. It has a copy of the cover of the sheet music, which lists the songwriter as George L. Giefer, publication date 1898. Other sources I have show 1898 and 1899 as the publication date. Some spell the name "Geifer" but the sheet music spells it "Giefer."
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:45 PM

Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder" was written by George L. Geifer, 1898. See Levy site for sheet music.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 12:09 AM

Black Freighter/Wife of a Soldier has a wrong title. Should be just "Wife of a Soldier."

(Black Freighter is an alternate title for "Pirate Jenny," which is not yet in the DT)

-Joe Offer-

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Another one:
The DT calls it Folkie, but the title is "The Folker," written by Fred Wedlock.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 05:04 AM

Appologies for the mis-attribution of "In My Liverpool Home" - I first heard Stan sing it in the 60's and always assumed that it was one of his.

Incidently, Stan was working with computers (EDSAC 1) in 1953 and that's nearly ten years before I wrote my first program for an IBM 1401.

Subject: Chivalrous Shark
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 04:28 AM

There's one line missing from Chivalrous Shark. Here 'tis:

Then he proffered his fin and she took it-
Such gallantry none can dispute
While the passengers cheered
As the vessel they neared
And a broadside was fired in salute.

Source: Song Fest
-Joe Offer-

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See this thread for full corrected text.

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From:
Date: 14 Dec 02 - 05:19 PM

Carroll County Accident - Several web-sites claim authorship to a Bob Ferguson.

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From: masato sakurai
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 10:31 PM

"The Wreck of the Huron" (the original) was written by Geo. A. Cragg in 1878. See The wreck of the Huron.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 06:17 PM

Thanks, Malcolm, for setting my mind at rest. I hope the first info doesn't make it into the DT by accident.

Which leaves my second question. Ard mhacha, where are you when we need you?

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 05:31 PM

Stan Kelly (Bootle) wrote I Wish I Was Back in Liverpool, and others (see his website at Stan Kelly-Bootle), but never claimed to have written In My Liverpool Home. Pete McGovern is usually blamed for it!