DT Attribution & Minor Corrections - recorded msgs

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Genie
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 01:31 AM

Daisy Bell or Bicycle Made For Two

The title should say "... Built For Two ..., " not "... Made For Two ... ."

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 08:42 PM

Pete St. John's Danny Farrell [ filename[ DANFARRL ] has some Mondegreens.
I transcribed the lyrics from a Pete St. John songbook and posted the lyrics here (click). I can also transcribe the tune - remind me if I forget.

Also take a look at Pete St. John's ROSIE UP ON MOORE STREET [ filename[ ROSYMORE ] The correct name of the song is ROSIE UP IN MOORE STREET, and the DT has a few mistakes in the text.
I posted corrected lyrics in this message.

Donegal Danny [ filename[ DONGALDN ] needs attribution and a couple corrections. See the corrected lyrics here (click).

-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 27 Jun 09 - 01:49 AM

Is this the right place to note small errors in DT lyrics?

DT has two slightly different versions of Love Me, I'm A Liberal. In one of them, the 2nd line of the 5th stamza is given as "I take every conceivable view." In the other, it's given correctly as "I've learned to take every view."

For the 3rd line in the 6th stanza, both DT versions have "I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts." What Ochs actually sings (at least, in the recording on the live album) is "I attend all the Pete Seeger concerts."

Corrected lyrics in this message -Joe Offer-

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In the DT version of The First Time, the 2nd line of the 2nd stanza got swapped with the 2nd line of the 3rd stanza.

Corrected lyrics in this message -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 09 - 10:18 PM

Re: Pretty Peg - filename[ KEACHCR4

The DT version comes from LaMarca, complete with places where the lyrics coun't be remembered. Wolfgang did a good job of filling in the blanks in this thread (click).

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Woody Guthrie's "I'm Gonna Mail Myself to You" is usually known as "Mail Myself to You."
filename[ IMGOMAIL

There's one really bad mondegreen in the DT lyrics - "I'm gonna dot myself with glue" should be daub myself with glue. Corrected lyrics are in the post from beardedbruce in this thread (click).

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"Row On" has a glaring typo in the first line (row on, row no), and a transposed date in the bottom notes - In Songs the Whalemen Sang, Gale Huntington gives 1846 as the date of the song.
Filename[ ROWON
full lyrics here (click), but it's mostly those two typos that stick out.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Jun 09 - 08:02 PM

FORTY SHADES OF GREEN (GREEN40) was written by Johnny Cash.

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Corrected lyrics in this message (click). We had some pretty bad mondegreens.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 May 09 - 05:56 PM

BALLYBAY should actually be called TOWN OF BALLYBAY. That's what it's called on Tommy Makem's own album and on most recordings.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 May 09 - 11:47 AM

A CHURCHY BALLAD seems to be the same song as SONG FROM LUCIFER'S HAMMER. Midchuck, here, says the real original title was THE FRIGGIN' FALCON when it was published in Sing Out and attributed to Theodore Cogswell.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Judy Dyble
Date: 27 May 09 - 02:07 PM

Hi Susan, I can't remember now, but I did get this message from you in Feb 2008


"Your corrections were fine and they have been made on the master of the Digital Tradition. When that will appear on line is questionable. What Dick and I produce is not the same thing that Max needs to post. There are many technical issues, some of which got resolved for this last version. We hope to get the tunes straightened out for the next one and that is a bigger issue."

So probably it just takes a long time to organise.. I was only wondering

Judy

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Susan of DT
Date: 27 May 09 - 01:49 PM

Judy - If it was on this thread and moved out, then it was done on the master. Depending on whether that was before or after the latest upload to here, it would or would not show in the version posted here. There should be a new version before too much longer. I just checked and do not see any messages from you on the completed corrections thread. Where did you post the correction?

Dick has the master at the moment, which is why I have not taken care of these corrections.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Judy Dyble
Date: 27 May 09 - 10:59 AM

Just curious and not nagging at all, but I did send in some corrections to quite a few songs from the 1st Fairport album, that were on the DT bit (eg Jack o' Diamonds) nearly 18 months ago.. Did they get lost or have the lyrics simply not been corrected yet?

Just wondering...

Judy

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 May 09 - 12:32 PM

Forest Lawn in DT
Is missing the first two lines of verse one !

Oh lay me down in Forest Lawns in a silver casket
Put golden flowers over head in a silver basket

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:06 AM

McSORLEY'S TWINS was written by Gus Phillips in 1885. A corrected version of the lyrics is here along with publication details.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:11 AM

There's a full transcription of "Cool Water" in this message. The DT is missing two verses.

filename[ COOLWATR
TUNE FILE: COOLWATR

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 May 09 - 09:02 AM

PUT ON YOUR OLD GREY BONNET and GOLDEN WEDDING DAY are the same song. The correct title is PUT ON YOUR OLD GREY BONNET. However, the version there contains a few errors. A corrected version is given here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 May 09 - 08:26 PM

The DT transcription of "Johnnie Sangster" [filename SANGSTER] has many little errors. My corrected transcription is in this message (click)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 08:23 PM

filename[ HIROSHIM - titled "Hiroshima" in the database is actually titled "I Come and Stand at Every Door: Girl of Hiroshima"

There are also many little mistakes in the lyrics.


Corrected attribution, title, and lyrics are in this thread.

-Joe-

Subject: Authorship correction: Cold Cold Heart (Williams)
From: Genie
Date: 13 Apr 09 - 08:49 PM

I just noticed that Hank Williams's song "Cold, Cold Heart" is incorrectly titled in the DT, plus the DT does not give Hank his songwriter credit.
The title is "Cold, Cold Heart," not "Your Cold, Cold Heart," and Hank wrote the lyrics and music for this song in 1951. The copyright may be held by some corporation, but Hank is the songwriter, not just one of the people who recorded it.

Genie

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 07:35 AM

In this message, Murtagh Doile says that the title of ON MIDSUMMER DAY should be THE LUGHNASSAD SONG and the correct author is Stockbridge (Stock) Chandler.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 12:58 AM

As Dale Rose explained here, the original version of THE PREACHER AND THE BEAR was written by George Fairman [1881-1962] in 1904. He sold the rights to the publisher, Arthur Longbrake, who then published it under the pseudonym of Joe Arzonia (note spelling: not Arizona).

The 2 versions in the DT have been folk-processed to delete some "coon" references, so you probably should keep them, but correct their attributions.

The original, warts and all, is here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Apr 09 - 12:18 PM

Genny Haley's THE COWPUNCHER should actually be called THE BALLAD OF THE COWPUNCHER. At least, that's what it's called on John Roberts' and Tony Barrand's album "Live at Holstein's"—and that's the only recording I am able to find.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 07:32 PM

Our English lyrics for "Oh Come All Ye Faithful" are a bit sloppy. Usually, it's "O Come," and the choirs of angels sing in exultation. And the Latin in the DT is just wrong.

filename[ ADESTFID
TUNE FILE: ADESTFID

I suggest you use one of the versions posted in this thread (click).

This version (click) is from the Oxford Book of Carols, so it should be pretty accurate.

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You probably want to change this title to allcaps:

LITTLE MAN, you'VE HAD A BUSY DAY
( Mabel Wayne, Al Hoffman and Maurice Sigler)

filename[ LITTLMAN


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Our transcription of "Battle Hymn of the Republic" is a mess. Masato posted a corrected version in this thread.

@American @Civil @war @hymn
filename[ GLORYHAL
TUNE FILE: JOHNBRWN

Subject: Queen of Argyll -- word change
From: JesseW
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 06:33 PM

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4839

In the (hard to hear) third verse of Queen of Argyll, the line: "So my lads my needs must leave you," should be "So my lads, I needs must leave you," -- which makes more grammatical sense, too.

Keep up the good work, folks!

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 09:20 PM

The title does need correcting- Un flambeau, Jeanette, Isabelle, as you correctly cite it.
Genie, your French text leaves out the second verse, and some accents are missing.
The English lyrics leave out the third verse. There are several English translations, from two to four verses; I don't know that any one should be called definitive.
For the music I know, the third ah!, chut!, do! in the third lines do not fit, there are two; in the fourth line, there are more (four at Cyberhymnal); Some choral directors go a little wild with this line. In a version posted by Haruo, thread 28247, 02 Dec 00, the three are needed in the third line- must be the one you sing! Different musical transcriptions; a matter of taste?

French lyrics- French Flambeau

English lyrics (4 verses)
English lyrics (4 verses, the 3rd different from one posted by Joe and also different from one posted by Haruo, both in old threads) English flambeau
thread 28247- Bring a torch

I will post in thread 28247 the versions linked above. I think Joe's English version is in thread 3225. I will try to find some background to the song.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Genie
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:25 PM

Bring A Torch, Jeannette, Isabella

In this song, Jeannette and Isabelle (or "Isabella" in the English version) are two different girls.   The lyrics (and title) should be "BRING A TORCH, JEANETTE, ISABELLA" or
"UN FLAMBEAU, JEANETTE, ISABELLE"

Bring a torch, Jeanette, Isabella!
Bring a torch! To the stable run!
It is Jesus, good folk of the village.
Christ is born and Mary's calling:
Ah! Ah! Beautiful is the mother,
Ah! Ah! Beautiful is her son!

It is wrong when the child is sleeping,
It is wrong to talk so loud.
Silence, all, as you gather around,
Lest your noise should waken Jesus:
Hush! Hush! See how fast he slumbers:
Hush! Hush! See how fast he sleeps!

Softly to the little stable,
Softly for a moment come.
Look and see how charming is Jesus,
How he is white, his cheeks are rosy!
Hush! Hush! See how the child is sleeping.
Hush! Hush! See how he smiles in his dreams.

In the French version, there's also a word left out.   There should be three "Ah!"s in each of the last two lines.   (The song doesn't scan right when one is left out.) Jeannette and Isabelle also need to be separated by a comma.


En Français:

Un flambeau, Jeanette, Isabelle,
Un flambeau, courons au berceau!
C'est Jesus, bonnes gens du hameau,
Le Christ est né, Marie appelle,
Ah! Ah! Ah! Que la mêre est belle.
Ah! Ah! Ah! Que l'enfant est beau!

C'est un tort quand l'Enfant sommeille,
C'est un tort de crier si fort.
Taisez-vous l'un et l'autre d'abord,
Au moindre bruît Jesus s'eveille.
Chut! Chut! Chut! Il dort a merveille.
Chut! Chut! Chut! Voyez comme Il dort.

Doucement dans l'etable close,
Doucement venez un moment.
Approchez! Que Jesus est charmant,
Comme Il est blanc, comme Il est rose.
Do! Do! Do! Que l'Enfant repose
Do! Do! Do! Qu'Il rit en dormant.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 06:33 PM

Our religious version of "Go Tell It on the Mountain" has some nasty spelling errors. I suggest that you substitute the lyrics in this message (click).
filename[ GOTELLMT

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Re: "Years of Peace"
filename[ YRPEACE
Please see the Years Are Coming thread for the correct name, background information, and lyrics of this song from the Unitarian hymnal.

I've posted corrected lyrics to Lili Marleen in this message.
filename[ LILIMRLN

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 02:18 PM

"Bury Me Not On the Deep, Deep Sea" appears twice in both the online and DOS versions of the database, once with a tune and once without.
filename[ BURYNOTC
TUNE FILE: BURYNOTC

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 07:45 PM

There's an obvious typo in the title SAM SMALL'S CHRISTMAN PUDDING.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 12:49 PM

KEEWANAW LIGHT should be spelled KEWEENAW, and the towns mentioned in the lyrics should be Ahmeek (not Ahneek) and Laurium (not Lorean).

See Wikipedia.

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Note: Definitive lyrics were obtained from songwriter Craig Johnson, and I think that's what we should have in the Digital Tradition. You will find the corrected lyrics in this message from Davis Owens. David has an e-mail address at pasty.com, so his Keweenaw is likely to be authentic.

There's good pasty eating on the Keweenaw Peninsula. Interestingly, there is no "Keweenaw Light" - there are two lighthouses on the peninsula, Copper Harbor and Eagle Harbor.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 08:05 AM

The songwriter of these songs is identified as "Andy Stewart":

THE FISHERMAN'S SONG
GOLDEN, GOLDEN
THE CHILL EASTERN WINDS
LOVERS HEART

It would be better to list him as "Andy M. Stewart" to avoid confusing him with the older (and deceased) Andy Stewart.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 03:41 PM

Fred Wedlock's name is misspelled (as Wsdlock) in THE FOLKER.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 09:33 AM

JOHNSON'S MOTOR CAR is incorrectly spelled GAR in the title.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 11:17 AM

The song that's called A TRUE STORY in the DT, and attributed to "Kate Clinton, John McCutcheon, & Betsy Rose" is nearly identical to THE RED CORVETTE at John McCutcheon's web site. There, it says "words & music by John McCutcheon."

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 05:14 PM

The DT has two identical entries for "The Minstrel," by Graham and Eileen Pratt. One entry has a tune, and the other does not. In addition, the lyrics are missing one verse.
Please remove the two, and replace them with the corrected lyrics posted by Jeri in this thread (click)

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This thread (click) has spelling and wording corrections for Tom Paxton's "I Am Changing My Name to Chrysler."

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There are problems with the dashes in "Casabianca" - they appear as strange characters in the DOS DT, and disappear completely in the online DT. I reformatted the poem in the first post of this thread (click), so the lyrics should work correctly when you copy-paste.

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Note This thread about the DT song with the filename "Hobboots" - all the DT has is part of an ABC tune, no lyrics.

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Dooley (filename: DOOLEY) was written by Mitch Jayne and Rodney Dillard, recorded by the Killards and the Kingston Trio. The Digital Tradition has no attribution.

Thanks.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM

CROSS THE BRAZOS FROM WACO:

The correct title is CROSS THE BRAZOS AT WACO. (And that's the phrase that occurs in the lyrics also.)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:33 PM

Note: DIE GUTE KAMERAD
filename[ KAMRADEN

Correct name for the song is DER GUTE KAMERAD

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM

NO MAN'S LAND (3) (a parody) has Fintan Vallely's name misspelled (as "Valaly").

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:39 AM

MY HEART IS IN IRELAND was written by Brian Warfield (according to Allmusic.com).

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:49 PM

The Banks of Sweet Dundee (2) has a number of OCR errors. I posted a corrected version here (click).

String Band Disaster needs Bob Clayton's name in parentheses after title for indexing.
Same with Glory Train and A World of Time.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 06:07 PM

Don McLean's name is misspelled (as McClean) at VINCENT (STARRY, STARRY NIGHT).

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 07:05 PM

De Colores - note spelling corrections in this message. What we have, is a little embarrassing...
Or maybe it's just that the song and the Spanish language are better-known here on the West Coast.

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The DT is missing two of Bob Nolan's verses for "Cool Water." The complete, corrected version is here (click).

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Oh, That Low Bridge
filename[ LOWBRDGE
songwriters (Edward Harrigan & David Braham)
publication date: 1885

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IMPORTANT: Please note songwriter Richard Nardin's corrections to "The Piper's Refrain" in this thread (click).
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 08:11 AM

THE CLOAKMAMER'S UNION is a misspelling for CLOAKMAKER'S UNION.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM

MEAN TALKING BLUES, which is attributed to Woody Guthrie in the DT, is actually an anti-Guthrie parody by Art Thieme, which was originally posted here. The real MEAN TALKING BLUES, written by Guthrie, is given later in the same thread, here, although that copy has a few gaps.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 06:01 PM

My song OLD BILL PICKETT is in the DT twice once as that and once as just BILL PICKETT, and I forget which one of them attributes it to me, the other has no attribution.


Mark Ross

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Corrected lyrics are in this thread (click).
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 11:51 AM

A song by Ron Angel is in the DT twice under different titles:

PROCESS MAN and I. C. I. SONG (CHEMICAL WORKERS SONG).

The first one has one more verse.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with having two versions, but you might want to cross-reference them somehow (if that's possible).

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 01:16 AM

Garing @ Typo in second-last verse of "Crawdad." - also in the third verse.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 07:04 PM

In LADS O' THE FAIR, what appears to be the first 2 lines of verse 2 are actually the last 2 lines of the chorus. Verse 2 should begin with "Come, Geordie, lead the pony…."

Also, the number of lines per verse appears to vary, but this is only because of the arbitrary and inconsistent placement of the line breaks.

There is a better copy of the lyrics at Dick Gaughan's web site.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 09:48 PM

Corrected lyrics and tune for "Poor Murdered Woman" are here (click).

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"Cornish Lads" appears twice in the 2007 database, both with the same filename, CORNLADS The lyrics are identical, but the one entry has better background notes. There is a tune in Mudcat MIDIs, none in the DT. -Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Jan 08 - 05:55 AM

Joe

That Hedgehog ABC plays at half speed on the ABC converter at Folkinfo, but if you change it to M:2/4 and L:1/16 it's much nearer the right tempo.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 03:37 PM

"Two-Cent Coal" appears twice bin both the online and DOS versions of the database.

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Also, not corrections and tune from Snuffy for Mike Heron's The Hedgehog Song
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Dec 07 - 06:15 PM

The song that's called CANAAN'S LAND in the DT should actually be called TO CANAAN'S LAND I'M ON MY WAY. It was written by William M. Golden in 1914. There is a more complete text posted by Masato here.