Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Andy, Port Erin, I-O-M
Date: 14 Sep 10 - 01:04 PM

Selectadisc. Now it would seem that there was only the shortest of honeymoon periods between the two new partners, one of which was Dave Bulmer.   Companies House reveals that on 13th July 2009 on the Company House form 288B         "APPOINTMENT TERMINATED DIRECTOR DAVID BULMER". Could be that somebody saw the light (or darkness)! Watch this space.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Ralphie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 02:13 AM

Hi Andy. Long time no speak!
Putting Bulmer on one side for a moment. You'll no doubt be pleased to know that there was a tribute concert for Nic at Sidmouth this year.
Artists involved, Pete and Chris Coe,Chris Wood,Martin Simpson, James Fagan and Nancy Kerr,Paul Sartin,Faustus,
Jon Loomes,Ruth Notman,Jim Moray,Jon Boden,Jackie Oates and many more!!
And Nic turned up and sang...Joyous.
It's all recorded, and will probably see the light of day (after contractual stuff has been done)in the spring.
The main topic of conversation backstage was (Yes, you've guessed it!) The whole Celtic Music situation.
I think you can guess the attitude of all the artists involved in the gig with regard to Mr Bulmer.
We keep on, keeping on. Send me a PM, and we can communicate less publicly!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Andy, Port Erin, I-O-M
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 07:01 AM

Hi again Ralphie, yes its been a while. I have been in the US for 14 months so am really out of touch these days.

Pls post a contact address (email pref) and I will write as you suggest.

Splendid news about Sidmouth - what a blast it must have been. Andy

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 15 Sep 10 - 02:29 PM

Andy. Easy.
[e-mail]
That should do it!....Best to talk privately.
Wheels are turning (admittedly slowly!)
And Yes, the Sidmouth gig was amazing. It's all safely recorded.
Get in touch mate.
Cheers Ralphie

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Dita
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 10:14 PM

Just found an interesting listing on e-bay, under folk LPs. There is a number of brand new vinyl albums from Leader, Trailer, Black Crow, and a number of others including Clan Alba on vinyl, three pages in all, under the one dealer "yourpricemusic". Most of them are priced at £29.99 + £3.50 p&p. No surprise that they have not attracted any bids. The address of the dealer is, Celtic Visions, Northworks, Hookstone Park, Harrogate.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Effsee
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 11:35 PM

So what is wrong with this?

The material is being made available to people who might be interested.
The price doesn't seem overblown compared with some,   i.e.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROY-HARPER-SOPHISTICATED-BEGGAR-VERY-RARE-UK-FOLK-SPARK-JHL-105-LP-1967-/220962436194?pt=UK_Records&hash=item3372633462

What's the beef?

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Will Fly
Date: 26 Feb 12 - 05:38 AM

On eBay, the Clan Alba vinyl for sale from Celtic Visions is described as:

Up for auction is a BRAND NEW copy of CLAN ALBA LP by CLAN ALBA THIS IS A DOUBLE LP

[names of artists here]

this could be described as new old stock as it has sat safely in our warehouse for a number of years and has never been played, it is in mint condition.

This classic album by Clan Alba has been considered a gem in the world of folk rock music since its relese and is now a rare record, that is hard to come by especially NEW

What an interesting description - "brand new... new old stock". I wonder why it was sitting safely in a warehouse for a number of years, and why the time has now come to release it for sale.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 26 Feb 12 - 05:52 AM

Because auctioning off individual in-demand items piecemeal makes you more money than supplying shops with stock (at a trade discount)?

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Dita
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 08:42 AM

Where's WHAT beef Effsee, I was only pointing out a post, that might be of interest to some.

As a collecter/dealer I felt that the price was high and thought it unusual that they were being sold at a blanket price, not taking any account of rarity or Record Collecter book price.

It was posted in this thread, as the address given for the seller is Dave Bulmer's,and the albums are ones he owns rights to.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,xchopp
Date: 25 May 12 - 05:07 PM

Er, so can we finally buy Nic Jones' Devil to a Stranger anywhere? on vinyl? on CD?

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 25 May 12 - 07:12 PM

this could be described as new old stock as it has sat safely in our warehouse for a number of years and has never been played, it is in mint condition.

There are several of these currently listed on eBay, including a number of hen's-teeth Leader/Trailer LPs - all priced at £30 or so.

I've just left the same message on four of the Leader/Trailer auctions, using the eBay "ask a question" facility:

Why aren't you giving these albums the CD release they deserve, with royalties paid to the artist?

Probably won't make any difference, but it made me feel better.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 26 May 12 - 12:09 PM

Had a reply - that was quick!

I assume it wasn't intended for publication, but I don't think I'm betraying any confidences if I say that Mr Bulmer (if it is he) is unrepentant.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,CJ
Date: 26 May 12 - 04:09 PM

The Bright Phoebus description is rather wry:

Up for auction is a BRAND NEW copy of Bright Phoebus
this could be described as new old stock as it has sat safely on our shelves for a number of years and has never been played, it is in mint condition.

This classic album by Lal and Mike waterson has been considered a gem in the folk world since its relese and is now an extreamly rare record.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 26 May 12 - 05:03 PM

I really can't see the point in these threads about Dave Bulmer anymore, he doesn't give a shit about anybody here or what we all think, it's a huge waste of time and energy.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 May 12 - 05:07 PM

I do not agree, it lets every new arrival on the folk scene know exactly what Bulmer has done

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 May 12 - 09:39 PM

would that be unsold new old stock of the defective "Bright Phoebus" reject LPs
with off centre spindle holes ???

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Effsee
Date: 26 May 12 - 10:47 PM

GSS:-

"I do not agree, it lets every new arrival on the folk scene know exactly what Bulmer has done "

Just what has he done?

He has a lot of these original LPs, purchased legally, in fact an awful lot of these.

They didn't exactly fly of the shelves in the first place!

Too many of us doing a bit of tape-recording maybe? :-(

But now he's being castigated for bringing them on market.

The original artists sold their rights to royalties in their original contracts.

Not Mr.Bulmer's concern...he's a businessman, not a charity.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 27 May 12 - 04:12 AM

The trouble is, Bulmer's "lack of demand" argument is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've got no interest in buying a CD-R of Bright Phoebus from Bulmer in the knowledge that what I'd get would be a cheaply-produced CD-R with a single sheet of thin paper by way of 'booklet', and that none of the proceeds would go to the artists or their estates / families. The same goes in spades for paying Bulmer £30 for a copy of the original LP, as desirable an artifact as it is.

A remastered CD with a decent booklet, produced with the approval of George, Ann and the musicians who played on it, and with a standard royalty going to the families - I'd put my money down like a shot, and I'm sure lots of people here would too.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music Dave Bulmer (6)
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 May 12 - 04:27 AM

you are entitled to disagree, but i think you are talking cods wallop,
Mr Bulmer is someone who has for many years prevented interesting material from being available to the public, in my case against the artists wishes.
The contracts were never drawn up with Dave Bulmer, I certainly would not have signed a contract with him, he may or may not be legally entitle to do what he does, but what about morally?
you appear to be coming up coming up with a generalisation about businessmen
    it is interesting to note that some time ago one of his legal advisors was struck off.
    Please do not give the impression that all businessmen behave like Dave Bulmer they do not, in my experience only a few do, but most businessmen that i have encountered are in my experience more generous.
Effssee HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTS? if you havent you are not well informed, and I would suggest you buzz off, until you know what you are on about.