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2005 Getaway Program Information

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Amos 30 Sep 05 - 11:19 PM
Tannywheeler 01 Oct 05 - 01:25 AM
Susan A-R 01 Oct 05 - 01:32 AM
karen k 01 Oct 05 - 04:45 AM
skarpi 01 Oct 05 - 05:42 AM
jacqui.c 01 Oct 05 - 08:15 AM
kendall 01 Oct 05 - 08:18 AM
John MacKenzie 01 Oct 05 - 08:52 AM
Charley Noble 01 Oct 05 - 10:47 AM
SINSULL 01 Oct 05 - 11:39 AM
John MacKenzie 01 Oct 05 - 12:17 PM
KT 01 Oct 05 - 01:08 PM
Ebbie 01 Oct 05 - 02:06 PM
Bobert 01 Oct 05 - 09:56 PM
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Charley Noble 03 Oct 05 - 12:14 PM
MMario 03 Oct 05 - 12:19 PM
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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 11:19 PM

Is there TIME for all this? My god. Can we make it a week or two instead of a weekend?

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 01:25 AM

Great, Amos--but longer away from my grandkids(?!), and the expense of changing my train reservations(?!)....couldn't stay that long(sigh)....maybe next year.....            Tw


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Susan A-R
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 01:32 AM

Please, everybody nest year.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 04:45 AM

What's Georgre Ward doing and are there any other special guests?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 05:42 AM

halló all , workshop hmmmmmmmmmm how does work ?
just wandering I just can´t wait , but I need some info about this so I
can be ready for it .
All best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 08:15 AM

Don - so sorry you can't make it - Old Songs seems a long way away.

Scarpi - I was new to this last year. A workshop for the main part is a song or tune circle, started off by the leader(s) and with the opportunity for all who wish to contribute to do so. I think that the leader needs to have a few songs to hand, and maybe some explanation of the material that they use, but that is about all.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: kendall
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 08:18 AM

Questions are most welcome


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 08:52 AM

If anybody's thinking of going to the Scottish songs workshop, and they have anything particular they want covering, do PM me and let me know, and I'll try to help.
Giok


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 10:47 AM

I'm pleased to learn that Ken Schatz will be there and leading the Forebitters and other Sea Songs workshop. He's one of my favorite traditional style singers. I'll certainly be attending that one.

Then, of course, there is Ballads with Barry Finn, and Parodies with Micca et al, and Pub Sing with MMario, and ...

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:39 AM

Damn! It's going to be another year where I can't be in three places at one time. SIgh! Life is tough sometimes.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 12:17 PM

You're just not trying hard enough Mary!
G. ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 01:08 PM

Sins and Charley, you'll just have to come to the cloning workshop first. Let's see, Nancy, it'll have to be first on the schedule to be most effective......mirrors....we'll need lots and lots of mirrors........


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 02:06 PM

Mirrors? And smoke?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 09:56 PM

Well, I was gonna lead up a couple blues workshops but, hey, after seein' that category "Woman's Work", fir get blues... Hey, I'll just bring the ol' Maytag in the back of my truck and ....

(Ahhhh, Bobert, are you nuts???...)

Okay, maybe I mighta missed somethin' here....

Windex?

Ironin'?

It's cookin'... Ain't it... Hey, you all got the right guy fir the job... Can opener and stove, right???

You all ain't messin' with somebody there with jus' ordinary intellect...

An yeah, I can clean winers wid the best of them...

(Yo, Bobert!!! This is the Getaway... Ain't like winder cleanin' camp... Maybe you done hit the wrong button on yer pudder??? How much did this cost you, anyway????)

Geeze....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 10:19 PM

"Ain't like winder cleanin' camp."

That's for sure....If I recall, there aren't any windows.......leave the windex home, Bobert!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:14 PM

Then, of course, all the sea music workshops will be scheduled at the same time...

Is there a Bitch & Moan workshop?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:19 PM

that's scheduled for Tuesday - I think.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:06 PM

Charley, the Program Committee generally post the schedule as early as possible so people can holler and moan and generally request re-writing the whole thing to suit them better. Actually we find that it's better to let the audience edit it ahead of time, than it is to listen to the moans of pain during the Getaway at finding we've scheduled Chanteys opposite Forebitters.

(I once notified the Mystic people that they had Dan and Bonnie Milner scheduled against themselves. Unfortunately the program had just been sent to press but I think they got it fixed in time.)

Anyway we're meeting tonight to set up a preliminary grid, should have the grid by the end of the week or early next week. We still need to add some stuff....

Don, I am so sorry to learn that we'll miss you and your wife! Darn it. I was really looking forward to you both being here.

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:15 PM

This may seem like an unreasonable request :-) but I'd like to give you guys an invitation to think of yourselves as coming to the Getaway first and to a Mudcat reunion second. There will be workshops led by people you never heard of and haven't met on Mudcat. I urge you to check them out too.

I would like it a lot if I hear afterward that all of you met and spent a bit of time talking to some of the non-Mudcatters at the Getaway. It's only a weekend and there are just so many minutes and you're going to want very much to maximize the time you get with other Mudcatters but ... it's a Folklore Society event and there will be Folklore Society people and other non-Mudcatters there including some very talented and interesting people, and we like everybody to make friends with everybody.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:22 PM

AMEN!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:54 PM

Amen too. I love how the two circles have overlapped and drawn people in directions they couldn't have imagined going, musically and personally....

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:57 PM

heck, if you don't sleep at all, I figger you can have...oh, maybe about 20 minutes with each attendee...(assuming 175 people and 6PM Friday to 10AM Monday)...but with time out for singing, watching, listening, sleeping.....hmmmmmm Better double up... That's what group activities are for!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:02 PM

Rita - would any of the FSGW ladies like to join in with the production number on Saturday night?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Micca
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:32 PM

Rita, and the Committee, This is one of the things I have Really enjoyed MOST of all about the Getaway. The first time I attended I was very aware that I was a Guest at an event , but the opportunity to meet "Folkies Like us" from wherever the originated ,or however they happened to be at Ramblewood, and to share songs and music and fun and everything was just amazing. It was different from UK Festivals, but that was in style not in quality or standard of Music and Friendship, and I am sure (from conversations I have had)that it is these unique qualities that attract so many folks and Brits back to the Getaway( be they Mudcatters or FSGW or just friends of the Music. The Getaway is a wonderful experience and as mentioned above, needs a Time Machine to attend everything one would wish to hear!!! But we will try!!! and Thanks to FSGW and the Committee for their Sterling work on trying to reconcile all the "possibles" into a coherent whole, I have DONE Timetabling and Scheduling and I am amazed how well you "fit a quart into a pint pot"


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:49 PM

Hi Rita,

We were hoping so as well. BUt that is when the knee could be done so thats when we do it.

Next your for sure and Old Songs as well.

Don


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:15 AM

Jacqui,

Would it be too late just to invite some of the non-Mudcat ladies to join you when you get to the Getaway? That way you can see if the "chemistry" is right, i.e. you can see who you think would fit right in ... so to speak. :-)

Or do they need to bring the right kind of equipment with them to the Getaway?

I'm gettin' outta here before this gets any worse.
Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:20 AM

Don, we'll miss you! Next year for sure!

Micca, MMario, Dani and others – thanks for your kind words. We don't call our gathering a "festival," partly because it's always been called the Getaway, and partly because it's different from other "festivals." It is not an event at which there are some (paid) "performers" and everyone else is "audience." At the Getaway, we are all performers and we are all audience. That's one of the reasons we can't get the program put together until the last minute – we have to find out who'll be there and what they want to do. It's kind of an ultimate shared experience, and we're very pleased that so many of you enjoy sharing it with us!

Nancy

P.S.   More program info coming soon….


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:56 AM

Well, it's starting to look like I'll be there. I was excited to see the Blues jam (I'll bring some harps) and the Country Western jam, also the Harmony session, Shanty, and Ballad bits.

This'll be damn close to a real-life Mudcat Tavern won't it? Except I didn't see a jello-wrestlin' session....

LEJ


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:33 AM

No we're saving that for late night sessions LEJ!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mantid
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:54 AM

Rita, in the past few years, there's been a waltz workshop. Are you scheduling one for this year also? I think folks enjoyed playing for it even if there were not too many dancers. Thanks.
Mary Jo


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:21 AM

Actually, Rita, some very unexpected FSGW ladies are "in" for the Saturday night production number which is why I feel free to have a headache.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:33 AM

Micca,

Think "gallons into gills", instead of " quart into a pint pot". The jokes about clone workshops are not really jokes- we ARE looking for some way to be in 6 places at once!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:37 AM

Sins - as advised - you do NOT have a headache that night or you may have a headache for the whole of the Getaway!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:29 AM

Sins...headaches can be cured..or masked with paracetamol or alcohol....I'll bring both!!

Not long to go now!!....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:36 AM

SIins --

There are other remedies for headaches also, involving the involuntary dilation and contraction of blood vessels, which we should discuss.


A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:48 PM

Thanks Nancy, for making clear the difference between a festival and the Getaway! It is the shared experience of both singing and listening that makes it so special to me. For us non-performers who love to sing or play an instrument, it is a rare opportunity to participate as other than audience, as well as to learn from those who ARE performers. (I even find myself feeling a bit intimidated by shear number of performing musicians who are going to be there this year.) I am forever and always grateful to FSGW for (1)having it; and (2)letting the likes of me show up.

    Dani twisted my arm to get me to my 1st Getaway--I didn't know anything about Mudcat or FSGW--which may be why I have never been particularly conscious of any kind of "Youin's" and Usin's". After that weekend I moved right onto Mudcat (may Dani be forgiven;-). And had I lived close enough, I am certain I would have found my way into the middle of FSGW activities.

    I am sometimes curious about how the infusion of a large dose of 'catters from out of the area has changed the Getaway. I imagine that it has lost something as well as gained by that change.

Hope it doesn't seem like an invasion of the Huns to some.

xxoo,
Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:52 PM

Invasion of the Huns ?? I think thats an insult to the Huns !!!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:05 PM

LOL!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: lamarca
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM

Janie, this is a post that's hard to write, and will probably get me flamed, but is one answer to your question:
"I am sometimes curious about how the infusion of a large dose of 'catters from out of the area has changed the Getaway. I imagine that it has lost something as well as gained by that change."

The FSGW Getaway was already about 20 or 25 years old when I first attended as a newbie. It was being held at YMCA Camp Letts, near Annapolis, MD. When I started coming, long-time FSGW regulars like BillD were already moaning about how it wasn't as good as in "the good old days at Prince William Forest Park..."

I thought it was marvelous! Perhaps because it was an Anniversary Getaway, there were more than the usual number of "Invited Guests", who were mostly known performers from the East Coast trad/semi-trad music scene, and many FSGW prodigals who had moved away and returned especially for the Getaway. One of my fondest memories from that era was sitting on the floor in an upstairs room of Letts Lodge, listening to Barbara Carnes and Jonathan Eberhardt swapping blues songs, while we all passed around an illicit bottle of Laphroiag (the YMCA frowned on alcohol, which meant we kept it discreet...). Because the majority of people who were there were local FSGW members, there were jam sessions all day in lots of different genres, as folks who normally jammed together had familiar tunes they could share - but because it was the Getaway, folks could drift from genre to genre and get outside their normal musical milieu as well.

As a newbie, I immediately recognized that there were "In" groups and Outsiders - the "In" crowd and Invited Guests all slept in Letts Lodge (a dubious privelege, given the mildewed carpets). Again, it was simple human social dynamics - these were people who had known each other for a long time, and had formed associations and networks that were hard to jump into. But the sing-arounds and workshops were places where even a newbie could participate and learn new songs, old songs, names and faces. I used to bring a tape recorder and tape hours of workshops, then bring the tapes home, where they sit mouldering to this day...

Over the years, I became more a part of the FSGW core - by volunteering to work. I served on the Board of Directors. I was on the Coordinating Committee for our Washington Folk Festival for three crazy-making years. I participated in philosophical arguments about the goals of the Society, and agonized over budget decisions to keep programs going. I kept going to the Getaway, always doing some sort of job to help out. I made signs, bought pumpkins for Dining Hall decorations, jockeyed microphones for the concert, did my kitchen duty (in the Letts Days, we did our own meals and everyone had to sign up for two-three hours kitchen duty), colored in Getaway buttons, washed 200 naked chickens for Pete the Spy's traditional(ly late) Sunday feast, etc. I'm now burned out - I feel that I've done my time, I've paid my debt to the Society...

Putting on the Getaway was (and is) LOTS of work. It's also expensive - camp rates have gone up, food costs have changed. And people's lives have changed - we've gotten older, many folks I first met in the 80's acquired children (now, how did that happen?) and the Getaway became either less important or too expensive or reached the tipping point between those priorities for many FSGW members. Enter the Mudcat. The attendence of so many Mudcatters has infused the Getaway with new blood, new music and enough people to almost make it financially viable. Without the Mudcat attendence, I believe that the Getaway would have died as an FSGW event.

BUT (and here is where I expect to get criticism) the Invasion of the Mudcat has created a whole new Insider/Outsider atmosphere at the Getaway, similar to what I felt 20 years ago.   It is understandable that people who have formed associations with each other on-line would want to revel in inside jokes and a "Mudcat Ladies Cabin", etc, but please realize that some non-Mudcat members of the FSGW might feel that "our" Getaway has been highjacked.

While the Getaway has been preserved by the dedicated hard work of a number of folks who are both long-time FSGW members and Mudcatters, like Ferrara, Nancy King, Charlie Baum, etc., the fact still remains that the FSGW as an organization assumes all the financial and liability risks for the event. If FSGW signs the contract for the camp, we promise a certain guaranteed payment, which is calculated based on expected attendence, and the FSGW is liable for that amount even if Mudcatters who planned to come find that they can't. If a Mudcatter or FSGW member gets paralytic drunk and burns down a cabin, the FSGW is liable for the damages.

Finally, as I said before, putting together the Getaway is a LOT of work. This includes negotiating a contract with the Camp (which has to be done by an FSGW Board member because FSGW pays the bills), planning menus with the Camp Staff and making arrangements for necessary facilities, scouting out possible new camps, bringing and assembling a sound system (which, BTW, belongs to the FSGW), establishing a budget and trying to bring in Invited Guests within that budget, planning and scheduling a program (thanks, Rita, Nancy and Carly!), making signs, prepping the camp, cleaning up the camp, etc. As the Getaway has become more of a Mudcat event, the number of people who have volunteered to work on the local stuff has dwindled to just the FSGW/Mudcat members.

The old way of making ties within a volunteer group isn't possible here - local FSGW folks who have no interest in Internet chat groups can't get to know 'Catters over a longer time period, and 'Catters can't integrate into the FSGW by volunteering and working alongside other members except for the brief time you're actually at the Getaway. The disconnect has bred some resentment that I think that folks who hold "Dual Citizenship" in FSGW and Mudcat don't quite understand or acknowledge, simply because they are so comfortable in both groups.

I don't have a solution for the sociological problems between the two groups, but there is perhaps one way to make the Getaway more of a shared event. The FSGW has a long-time practice of "co-sponsoring" events with other organizations, where the Society lends the strength of its name, 503C non-profit status, insurance, financial and other resources to an affiliated group that also assumes some of the risk for the event. Perhaps it is time to consider a formal Mudcat Cafe organization, with a Board of Directors, and a network of dedicated volunteers who are willing to fully commit to working on financing and a budget to support the Mudcat system and making events like the Getaway and other Mudcat Gatherings happen.

OK - I now turn my soapbox over to the next person!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:08 PM

larmarca, thank you very much for that. I've been wondering the same thing- and along with another Mudcatter - had already decided that this year I want to get to know the FSGW members better. I would really love to do my part to help defuse any consternation and latent resentment on their part. I think we are all aware that without them, the Getaway would not be happening.

One of the things I found so compelling at the Getaway was hearing the easy harmonies swelling from all over the room in the course of a song- and that's the Society influence. I am in awe.

And thank you, Rita, for reminding us.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:34 PM

well...as usual, lamarca has said so much so well. It IS true that the Getaway would be hard to finance at the same level without the Mudcat influx...I have said this privately for about 3 years now. All those other issues are also 'real', but the basic friendliness that arises from folks who meet to make music for 3 days has kept much of the awkwardness from getting too serious.

I have wondered myself if there is anyway the FSGW/Mudcat fusion could be formalized in order to make the whole situation smoother and clearer for everyone! We have a 35+ year old tradition here in the DC area, and it has allowed us, as a large folk society, to accommodate a lot of variety.

Maybe lamarca's thoughts will be the start of a discussion on how to keep 'folk' gatherings viable and fun for years to come.

Thanks, Mary....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Micca
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:20 PM

I, too, have thought about this and have (and am still) considered/ing Taking out membership of FSGW as I now feel very "at home" with them and in tune with the aims and activities of the organisation (in so far as I understand them), but maybe a simpler solution might be a sort of "Associate " membership for those of us (whether Mudcat or not) who live too far away to truly participate in the year-long FSGW activities, but who would still like to contribute financially and helpwise to this Wonderful event, preferably in advance of the event so that when the actual Physical work is being allocated we could be considered for a "team"? Like volunteering for the Friday night "Clean up After dinner" Squad? or any stuff on Monday morning ? I, for one, would be delighted to do so!!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:33 PM

'Associate' membership. I like it!

I personally have not joined the FSGW because I a) can't participate in anything but the Getaway, and b) thought it would seem (and be) just a way to get a reduced fee for the Getaway. Actually DIDN'T join so I could pay more to go!

Hmmm..

Mary, you've give us some hard truths. The best way I can think of to mitigate bad feelings is be aware that there is a certain 'guest' status that Mudcat-stomping brings, and we should carry ourselves as guests (albeit very welcome guests) in someone's home, which is what I've tried to to do over the past few years. Another way is to jump in there and lighten the load any way we can. Just as a guest in your home would offer to do dishes, take out the trash, whatever; we can help in many ways while we're there, and perhaps even long distance.


My 2 cents.

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:18 PM

Micca, Dani, what nice suggestions. There is a great energy here that I think will lead to more good things. Mary's post was excellent, and opened the door for us to look at a lot of ways we can make the Getaway even better.

Yeah, Micca, we always need people to keep an eye on the dining room on Friday night and make sure it will be clean when the camp's kitchen people get there early Saturday!

This brings up a happy point: If this is the same as previous years, those of you who bring something for Friday potluck can store any leftovers (haha) in the "soda machine" in the far left corner of the dining room. Also special foods, milk, etc. Up to now it has been refrigerated every year. Useful!

And, we will ask to have a microwave available in the dining room. There are coffee and hot water for as long as they last, they will be refilled during the daytime. And juice, lemonade or whatever.

By the way, for those of you who are coming from afar, it's always considered "fair game" to stop at a fast food place, Chinese carry-out, pizza place, bakery, grocery store or whatever to pick up a potluck contribution for Friday night. The food selection keeps changing as the evening goes on.

I always bring a selection of dried snack food, fruit, etc to have when I get the late night munchies. I recommend it.

Boy, the closer it gets the more exciting it gets. Lonesome EJ is coming. Wow. What a wondrous year this is going to be.

We had a very productive meeting on the program last night, will post the results as soon as we have contacted everybody involved.

I have a couple of thoughts on the "ingroup/outgroup/Mudcat/FSGW" topic but will save them for a separate post. Right now I have to go phone some people about being workshop leaders :-)

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:28 PM

Dani, that was my thought exactly! And like you, I would like to contribute to the FSGW coffers. Associate status sounds good to me too.

Incidentally, I hope all of this can be ironed out on these threads- I don't want to take up any of the time for a 'business meeting' at the Getaway itself!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:50 PM

Changing the subject for a moment, yes, we are going to have the Waltz Jam and Dance, led by Dottie Hurley. It would have been on the list except that I forgot (surprise!) to write it down, so Nancy didn't know it was in the works. Thank goodness she phoned Dottie and we have it straight now.

Which reminds me ... If I have asked you about doing a workshop and never got back to you, PM me and remind me about it please. Dick Greenhaus compared notes; he told me he has a mind like a steel sieve and I said, "Dick, no wonder we get along so well! I have been thinking that I have a mind like a steel colander!" Sigh....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 12:24 AM

I joined the FSGW after my first Getaway as a "Thank You' gesture. I donate items for the auction and to the scholarship fund when I can. Outside of that there isn't much I can do from Maine.

At my first Getaway I felt a real "them and us" atmosphere and couldn't understand it - I didn't know that Mudcatters were a new addition. My second year, with AllanC in the lead, we made a real effort to invite everyone to after hours sessions in the Singles Cabin and make it clear that they were open to everyone. A small room jammed with about 75 people and two harps - I think it was a success.

This year, I have asked (begged) single FSGW females to join us in the Single Ladies (and I use the term loosely) Cabin. Keep in mind, it is the usually noisy to all hours and modesty isn't always a prerequisite in the shared bath facilities. I DON'T SNORE but some of us do - another drawback. But we share everything from shampoo to bourbon and are sometimes lulled to sleep by serenaders from the adjoining single men's room. And we will need all the help we can get this year to make Mick Lane's Getaway perfect.

Lastly, the likelihood of a formal Mudcat Organization with a Board of Directors is, I believe, slim and none. Mudcat is an internet website owned and run by Max. It has no non-profit status nor for that matter any formal organization. People join for free on-line and participate as they see fit.

We can however find a way to participate from a distance and take some of the reponsibility for making the Getaway happen. Maybe with the move to a new location, this is an ideal time to start delegating some of the work.

I envy those who have attended Getaways for years and shared a song with Jonathan Eberhardt and Helen Schneyer. What I would give to have known the Patons in their prime and heard a young Kendall Morse sing and play and tell stories. In my mind, the Getaway is a continuation of a sacred tradition. When I see a talent like Elizabeth LePrelle or Dan Schatz carrying on while adding their own interpretation to classics, I am thrilled to be part of it.

Thank you to the FSGW for making it possible. I wonder if you realize how instrumental you have been in solidifying Mudcat into a "community". The Getaway is where most of us get to meet each other face to face. I wonder if you know that at least two Mudcat marriages began with a Getaway meeting.

Mary


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 02:45 AM

Great posts, Mary and SINSULL.

For my 2 cents, I have known some FSGW members for years and I have known about the Getaway probably since the 70's. I have always wanted to go but felt that I would be intruding on something private. Of course, I did not ask to come and certainly FSGW did nothing to indicate that I or anyone else outside FSGW would not be welcome. Anyway, it was Charlie Baum who encouraged me to come in 1999 when others from Mudcat were coming as well. I didn't feel totally on the outside because I knew a few of the FSGW members from festivals over the years. But I didn't feel totally on the inside either. But I did feel welcome. It was great to meet Mudcatters as well as FSGWers. I've been coming ever since and wouldn't miss it. It bother me that this issue comes up every year. Just when I think it has equalized and become a non-issue someone brings it up and we start all over. Mudcatters have always been willing to help out however possible. I have offered on several occasions to help with the program by coordinating the Mudcatters' workshops through phone and e-mail. There's no reason I can't do this from Connecticut. To date I have not been taken up on my offer. It's still on the table. I think SINSULL is right when she says that formalizing Mudcat with a board etc. is not going to happen. But I don't think that has to happen in order for Mudcatters to sit down with FSGW and try to share the work and responsibility. This has become a very important event for Mudcat as well as FSGW. I hope we can all just enjoy each other and the music that brings us together and erase the line that has been drawn in the sand.

karen


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 11:01 AM

Wow. I had tossed that question out rhetorically. Thank you, lamarca for your courageous and thoughtful response. From the many replies, it is clear that many of us are mindful of some of these issues.

    I tend to agree that Mudcat will never have the structure to partner with FSGW organizationally. It is also apparent that many of us 'Catters are ready and willing to share more in the tremendous work involved in putting on the Getaway, from financial support to practical support at the Getaway itself. Maybe some one who is both "Catter and local FSGW member could act as coordinator/liason to involve us willing 'catters in a non-chaotic way.

    Any time enough people are in groups, there will be smaller social groups within. Families within clans within tribes, and others will feel uncomfortable. For example, While some non-Catters may feel excluded by the mudcat cabin late night sings, some of us 'Catters have often felt excluded in the TV room scene. It is human nature, I guess. I think the best we can do is be aware of it, and as individuals do what we can to mitigate.
(And then there is little ol' insecure me, and those of my ilk, who often feel on the outside looking in anytime there are more than 2 people present;>)

    None of that changes the reality of the magical weekend that the experience of the Getaway becomes for so many of us. Sounds like many of us on Mudcat are willing to step up to help FSGW make that magic happen. Let's continue to explore how we can best do that.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 11:22 AM

Karen,

As stated above, I have a mind like a steel colander. I have no memory of your offering to help co-ordinate the Mudcatters -- it's probably right in the middle of a thread but I missed it -- and I apologize!

I should tell everybody though, that Sinsull has been doing exactly that and it is a big help. The hard part is communication. We should have brought both of you in by e-mail for sure. Lesson learned. In the past we've gotten lots of help with the program from out of town Mudcatters. Jeri Corlew's contributions come to mind for one thing. In the future we'll try to make it a more systematic thing. Good for all concerned.

We're having another Getaway program meeting tonight and will probably start setting up the Grid.

Rita


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