BS: reasons for not marrying

Subject: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,So That's the reason.....
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 07:34 AM

High IQ cuts women's marriage prospects

A high IQ is a hindrance for women wanting to get married while it is an asset for men, according to a study by four British universities. The study found the likelihood of marriage increased by 35 per cent for boys for each 16 point increase in IQ. But for girls, there is a 40 per cent drop for each 16-point rise, according to the survey by the universities of Aberdeen, Bristol, Edinburgh and Glasgow.

The study is based on the IQs of 900 men and women between their 10th and 40th birthdays. "Women in their late 30s, who have gone for careers after the first flush of university and who are among the brightest of their generation, are finding that men are just not interesting enough," psychologist and professor at Nottingham University Paul Brown said.Claire Rayner, writer and broadcaster, says that intelligent men often preferred a less brainy partner.

"A chap with a high IQ is going to get a demanding job that is going to take up a lot of his energy and time," she said."In many ways he wants a woman who is an old-fashioned wife and looks after the home, a copy of his mum in a way."

The study has been published in The Sunday Times newspaper.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 07:37 AM

Don't you mean, "Some women are too smart to get married?"

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 07:40 AM

Not all intelligent men are looking for their mums. It shoul dbe obvious that drawing from a much smaller population (comparable IQs) at the right end of the bell-curve is going to mean less frequent hits.

"Men are not interesting enough" is just sloppy interpretation for a pop rag.

A

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:23 AM

Right, intelligent men aren't looking to marry dear ole mum. They are looking to marry to get the services of a chef, laundress, housekeeper and nanny for free.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Another one
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 09:46 AM

I am sure some people undervalue the legal rights they get when they marry. Sure, they can enter into legal agreements to try to recoop the ones that they naturally get if they marry but if they make a mistake they could find that a property goes to their partner's family, not them; or they could be denied access at a hospital as they are not legal next of kin ...

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Jeanie
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 09:51 AM

These are generalisations, of course, but I don't think it's so much that "bright women don't find men interesting enough". Bright women will find something interesting in anything, everything and everyone. That's what makes them bright ! Bright people never complain of being bored. There is always something new and interesting to look at and learn from.

I think it's more along the lines of the quote by Claire Rayner: "Intelligent men often prefer a less brainy partner." Some (but by no means all) men feel intimidated by women who are equally or more intelligent than themselves. A couple of examples: Over the years, I have come across men (family/friends/partners) who point blank refuse to watch TV programmes such as "Mastermind" or "University Challenge" with me, because they can't bear to hear me answering questions correctly, when they can't ! The reverse situation doesn't worry me in the least.

Another example: from my experience, an intimidated male of the species can tend to interpret a woman as "showing off", when she is merely having fun with her knowledge or skills - e.g. I was once accused of being a "show-off" by a male friend who felt intimidated by my mock exaggerated Italian pronunciation of dishes on a menu - I was simply playing and having fun !

For an enduring relationship, a truly bright woman will be bright enough to let the man feel that he is brighter, but never let on what she is doing ;)

- jeanie

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 10:11 AM

Jeanie, I was with you until this line:

For an enduring relationship, a truly bright woman will be bright enough to let the man feel that he is brighter, but never let on what she is doing

Maybe those bright women who scare the bejeezuz out of men aren't willing to hide their light under a bushel basket just to let a guy think he's brighter just for the sake of having a relationship. It's dishonest, and I would think a hard act to keep up. If I were taller than the guy I would consider wearing flats (not a tough choice since the foot surgery!), but no way would I dumb down my personality so he can feel brighter. He's probably scared off by now, anyway. . .

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 10:19 AM

If she's all that bright to begin with she won't end up with a stupid man. Some of the stuff here is simply man-bashing. I think it's sexist, but maybe that's why this thread was started. Good luck in the quagmire. I though some of you were much smarter than to fall into this type of manure. Live and learn.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 10:24 AM

If they scare that easy, what would they do when faced with something dangerous?

When I was still looking, I discovered that Mr. Wrong frequently revealed himself within minutes. "Hey, have you read all these books?" is a reliable sign that he should be given the old heave-ho after one -- count 'em, one -- cup of coffee. If he flinches when you make a joke, or intervenes to halt an intellectual conversation -- "It's getting heavy in here! How about them Jays!" -- the smart woman knows what to do. And she does it because she knows that, however cute he is, sooner or later you have to talk.

If intelligent women have so much trouble finding men, why do so many of them go through life trailing a long line of old boyfriends? I suspect that it's not the men; it's the women having trouble figuring out what they really want in life.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 10:28 AM

Brucie raises a good point. All this stuff cuts both ways -- and man-bashing is just as offensive as any other kind of bashing. The fact is that plenty of women choose men they can patronize, and enjoy having someone to dominate.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Willie-O
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 10:30 AM

The premise is biased, so the conclusions will be likewise.

If highly intelligent men have demanding careers and need/prefer partners who will be available to help support their day-to-day needs in the home, wouldn't the same be true of highly intelligent women in this day and age? (I mean, ask my wife. )

And how did they determine that "A chap with a high IQ is going to get a demanding job..", not to mention the unflattering chauvinistic portrait of same...I'd have thought that high intelligence would lead to some degree of relatively advanced social sense.

Plus the numbers they have are just plain weird. If indeed "the likelihood of marriage increased by 35 per cent for boys for each 16 point increase in IQ", where did they start from? 50? 100? Let's say 90, that being the nominal bottom end of normal IQ range.

How many 30-year-old men with an IQ of 90 are likely to be married?
Let's say 60%; if so, a quite intelligent chap, IQ 116, is 95% likely to be married, and the extremely clever IQ 132 is of course 120% likely to be so. The genuine genius of 148 appears to be a bigamist...or are they counting how many marriages each person has?

Similarly a female genius appears to have ZERO chance of being married. \

Yep, I think both the study and it's quick-off-the-mark interpreters are on pretty thin ice here.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Jeanie
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 10:36 AM

Stilly River Sage and Brucie: please note the ;) symbol at the end of my comment: it is meant to denote a grin and wink - and my tongue very much in my cheek !! I took this thread to be light-hearted and not to be taken too seriously. It's part of the fun and age-old male/female game.

- jeanie ;)

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 11:17 AM

but no way would I dumb down my personality so he can feel brighter.

You think you would have to?

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 11:40 AM

There is a woman who contributes to the Sunday Rotogravure section of the paper (here it's Parade magazine) named Marilyn vos Savant (here) who is reputed to have the highest IQ around. Whether this is so, or she just has a good research staff, last time I read something about her, she also managed to have a spouse.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: MMario
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 11:47 AM

statistically I wonder how accurate this can be with a sample of only 900? Did the iq's of the participants even match the distribution of the general population?

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 01:12 PM

Reasons for not marrying.....
Not sure how much of the above may be accurate but I know two women who are particularly bright..have excellent jobs...and have househusbands who stay at home to do the chores....Both families seem to be extremely happy with their lot for the most part...but I do know one of the women complains of tiredness at night...and we are all aware of those implications in reverse roles.
For me to re-marry, it would take someone pretty special...probably someone who doesn't exist...I think that's as good a reason as any for not getting married. Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 01:28 PM

The IQ of the population--by definition--is 100.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 01:42 PM

My wife often tells me that for a bright lad I'm a bit thick.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 01:45 PM

I liked the reflection regarding marriage I heard a stand-up comedian make once (as near as I can recall)...

Studies show married men live longer than single men on average while, conversely, single women live longer than married women. So that's why men should splurge a lot on the engagement ring:

"Please accept this expensive sparkly token in return for the life I am about to suck out of you."

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 01:50 PM

;-D

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 01:52 PM

I could go on all day about good reasons not to get married... :-)

But...it depends entirely on the individual. There are plenty of good reasons TO get married as well.

I'm male, and I have always been attracted to more intelligent women. Unintelligent women hold little interest for me, and I am most definitely not in search of a fulltime housekeeper. I'm okay with doing the housekeeping myself. If it's a shared situation, then I'm okay with splitting it 50/50.

I see no reason to deliver over and sacrifice an important personal relationship of mine to the ruling power structures in society! (those being the government and/or some church) It's none of their danged business. I don't need their approval or their sanction.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Champagne Carol's Lazy SS
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 02:02 PM

My reason for not marrying...My husband would prefer that I didn't do that again! hehe. Sorry, I had to.

Actually, I married my Husband THREE times - all legal and no divorces between ceremonies. howsabout that. Liked him enough to do it once, do it twice, I even did it thrice.

CC's Lazy SS
too lazy to figure out how to rest my cookie as me.
I'll do it later

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 02:04 PM

Sounds like you found the right person, CC's SS.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 02:22 PM

two very bright people in one marraige 'can' be a source of conflict if each tries to intimidate the other, etc...or it 'can' be a source of great synergy & joy & growth, if they bother to learn from and complement each other.

I am lucky enough to be in the 2nd kind.

too many guys want Winnie-the-Pooh wives: "Bare, with very little brain"

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 02:26 PM

I read an interview with Bill Maher, in which he was asked why he isn't married. He responded that he thinks he scares most of them with his intellectual pursuits and attitudes. That sounded like a challenge--I would think he'd have had some smart women seeking him out after that observation. He was in no way saying most women are dumb, but that those who have the brains and temperament to deal with him are scarce.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 02:28 PM

in the case of Maher, I can see the point..*grin*

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: fat B****rd
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 02:59 PM

Hey, Big Pink, It must be a North East England thing. All my wives have told me that.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 03:20 PM

i hereby come out as the GUEST who started this thread. you can guess my reasons for starting it, and for doing so as a guest.

great to read the responses, except for the predictable knee-jerk reaction.

no, it wasnt intended in any way to be man-bashing - i can do that much more specifically if in the mood.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 03:28 PM

ps for some strange reason, i'm tempted to get in the mood..



however my natural humanitarian impulses have overcome this animal instinct and i have decided today instead listen to music.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 03:46 PM

Go ahead. Get in the mood. I'll take you on!

BTW, please be a dear and get the boys and I some coffee.

Nice tush. .........smack!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 03:52 PM

Please ignore Martin Darling! You have worked hard today so I bought you these flowers..oh and dinner is in the oven.(tenderly kisses her on the cheek)......Dream on!
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 04:11 PM

"A chap with a high IQ is going to get a demanding job that is going to take up a lot of his energy and time," she said."In many ways he wants a woman who is an old-fashioned wife and looks after the home, a copy of his mum in a way."

This fellow should be located and given heck.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 04:36 PM

By his mum.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: mack/misophist
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 04:56 PM

The basic informatin in this study is nothing new. I saw it 10 years ago and it wasn't new then. It reflects our cultural norms more than anything else, I think. This current incarnation, however, is organized to provoke gender bashing. And let's not forget that IQ itself is in some disrepute. Also, did they give Stanford-Binet Tests to 900 people to get those results? How did they know? As a teen-ager I tested at 154 but I've never been anything but bright average.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:03 PM

I test with a variance of 7 points. Some of the questions are also stupid. 2,4,6,8,___. The tendency of most folks is to answer 10. However, x is a good response, too.

f,m,a,m,j,j,___?

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: rumanci
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:15 PM

a

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:22 PM

TEN THINGS MEN KNOW ABOUT WOMEN

1


2


3


4


5


6


7


8


9


10 They are female.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:32 PM

well...maybe. There were these Russian athletes in the Olympics awhile back...

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:47 PM

"no, it wasnt intended in any way to be man-bashing - i can do that much more specifically if in the mood."

Sure glad it's not ME yer POed at.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,John in Oz
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:51 PM

Okay - here goes.

I reckon the studies are coming at it from the wrong angle. I think the reason high IQ women ( possibly should be highly educated )have trouble finding husbands is because they're ugly. Maybe I'll settle on; less attractive.

When the attractive teenage girls are going out on dates, dances etc, the overlooked less attractive ones are at home studying.

The Muslims had it worked out years ago when they had their women don the burka. It means that even the ugly chicks stand a chance of getting a husband.


( This is the BS section, isn't it ? )


JG/FME

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:55 PM

There is no such thing as an ugly woman. Not on this Earth.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Once Famous
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:56 PM

Yep, she's OK if you just put a bag over her face.............

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Metchosin
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:56 PM

you bet it is........

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 05:57 PM

To quote Robert Heinlein

"All women are beautiful: Some are just more beautiful than others."

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 06:02 PM

All I can think of is the Rolling Stones: "Satisfaction" or "Under my Thumb". Which do you guys thing would be the right choice of music to play in the background?

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 06:32 PM

10 things I know about women:

1. They are living proof that that which is flexible and yielding, like a willow, is stronger than that which is rigid and unbending, like an oak. (taoist teaching)

2. They are the outer reflection of a man's inner hidden female self. That's why men fall in love with them.

3. They hold up half the sky. (North American Indian teaching)

4. They are the heart of a nation.

5. They are the conscience of a nation.

6. They are the glue that holds a well-functioning society together.

7. They generally only go to war when it's absolutely necessary.

8. They do not tend to confuse courage with bravado.

9. They are the bearers of new life.

10. They are the daughters of God and of Life.


As such, they are sacred and ought to be treated accordingly. A fool recognizes none of the above.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: open mike
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 07:55 PM

if he or she is real smart they will find a way to NOT
get sucked into a job that demands their time and energy.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: harpgirl
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 07:57 PM

That's more like it George. Better than that weird Shatner stuff!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:01 PM

1 thing I know about women:

1. They are all individuals and are just as f__ked up as men are.




1 thing I don't know about women:

1. Why they bother with us men in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Kaleea
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:05 PM

How about reasons TO get married?

   I'd sure appreciate having a roadie--someone to carry all of my instruments for me.
    (not the only reason, but a good one for a puny geezer like me)

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:11 PM

Well, while the study mentioned only used a sample of 900, statistically for the general population the more intelligent (as measured by I.Q.) a woman is the less likely she is to marry. Additionally and even more statisically verified is that the more education a woman has the less likely she is to be married. This does not hold true for men. The higher the I.Q. the more formally education the greater the chance that they will marry.

Not to man bash or woman bash possible explantions
1. Men are less likely to marry smart educated women
2. Women who are intelligent and education are less likely to choose to marry.
3.   It is a combination of choice and opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,An Ugly Smart Chick
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:27 PM

Well, I am above average intelligence well educated and could marry any man I please. I just haven't found one that I please yet.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:43 PM

What is the advantage? What is the disadvantage?

Why bother?

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:44 PM

Part of a good marriage is the long-term strength it providers the partners as a result of the constant companionship, enduring communication and sense of having someone on your side when theings get rough in life.

Women who are smart and independent may under-value those benefits until they've been around a while, as some men certainly do, and such people end up being smart and somewhat lonely in spite iof having many friends and a few lovers.

A

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 08:44 PM

First of all, forget what Little Hawk said... He's been watching way too much Doctor Phil... Speakin' of Doctor Phil, what a wimp... His wife comes on the show and he's like "yes mam, no mam"... Like whats all thsat supposed to be about??? Answer me that one, L.H.....

I know exactly why women don't wanta marry men....





















They are friggin' men.

Men is some nasty animal. They burp, scratch when ever and where ever they want. They kill each other and, take it from me, God didn't design um' to look too good either... Believe me... I lerant this at an early age taking showers with 'um after gym class. Nasty!

Yup, put my butt in a shower room full of womenz, thank you...

The only thing that most guys (exempt Martin G, DougR and Biskit here) have going fir them is good wiring. Yeah guys think right. Women don't.

Let me give you an example of woman wiring. The dreaded "sale". The woman goes to the department store and buys $200 worth of junk that would have cost $300 if not fir the dreaded "sale"... Now the womanz will come home and tell you that she just saved you $100. Right? This is what I mean about their wirin'... She just cost you $200. Don't take a Wes Ginny Slide Rule to tell ya that yer out a couple hundred bucks...

Hmmm, and why is this thread about why womenz don't wanta marry menz, or is it?

Aww, nevermind...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 11:34 PM

I have heard of Doctor Phil somewhere, Bobert, but I have never seen him. Not once. I know nada about Doctor Phil. The material I drew from to list those 10 qualities of women was...

Taoism

the Native American Medicine Way

Various other sacred traditions.

And my own knowledge of human history, culture, and life. And just plain common sense.

If I was a woman, I'd be a bit concerned about the poor general selection out there in males right now...but there are always a few good ones around, I figure. :-) Only problem is, those are probably taken already!

harpgirl - the Shatner stuff is just done to bug people. Apparently it's working. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 11:39 PM

If one this is certain on this thread, it's that the "ugly smart chick" guest above is a smart-ass guy.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 05 - 11:43 PM

With an IQ slightly above the level of a billy goat, in all probability...

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: LadyJean
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 12:05 AM

I have said before and will say again, the scientific term for men who say they like intelligent women is prevaracators.

Incidentally, I checked out a bunch of online dating services. I found men my age who weren't married. Most of them were sports junkies, anticipating the playoffs, the superbowl, march madness etc.
So, what is it with men and sports? I can't think of a female equivalent. Why are men mesmerized by complete strangers who would charge them fifty bucks for an autographed picture? It boggles the mind.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 12:08 AM

BOBERT:

You are being a bit unfair. This mechanism is called "justification" -- the effort of the irrational half of the mind to make up reasons for its conclusions so they seem rational. But men have as many or more blind spots in need of justification as women do. The response to breasts being one that comes to mind. Others are the instant reactions to the thought of cars, vaginas, touching other men, power tools, Demi Moore, double-bitt axes, schooners, fire-trucks, and black coffee with whiskey in it.

A

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 12:14 AM

Amos may be right about constant companionship being a result of marriage.

But constant companionship can be suffocating as well.

There is also plenty of couples who have married but enjoy the benefits of: "...constant companionship, enduring communication and sense of having someone on your side when things get rough in life."

So why marry?

BTW - I know plenty of lonely women who are married.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 12:20 AM

No doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 01:14 AM

You are so tremendously wrong, Lady Jean, that I hope you keep hooking up with just the kind of dumb guys you are complaining about. It would certainly be poetic justice.

I haven't heard of anyone as wrong as you since George Bush decided there were WMD's in Iraq. You must have a brain with the agility and grasp of a dessicated fig.

I very seldom speak like that to anyone on this forum, but you win the "fecking" prize tonight, if I may use some British slang. I always suspected there were a few real hardcore female chauvinists out there, and you have confirmed that there is at least one.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 01:19 AM

Unless, of course, you were being witty and satirical, and lampooning an obviously ridiculuous attitude toward men in your post....

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 01:23 AM

And Dianavan, I agree heartily with what you keep saying: "Why marry?" What for exactly? To please other people and meet their expectations? To please a church?

I never had any trouble being faithful to a partner and being monogamous. No problem. It comes naturally to me. But why marry???

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 02:36 AM

From the oringinal post - "A high IQ is a hindrance for women wanting to get married while it is an asset for men..."

This is old news.

Women often marry 'up', men rarely marry 'up' (financially, as well as intellectually) soooo....

I wonder what that says about our gene pool?



btw I think the conclusions of this so-called study are a crock!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 02:51 AM

Come on Little Hawk, a descicated fig? And Bobert's comment about women's "wiring" and the dreaded "sale" doesn't even warrant a raised eyebrow?. Jeez people are touchy. LOL

I think I'll just go back to watching the hockey results.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 02:58 AM

As originally posted, "Women in their late 30s who have gone for careers after the first flush of university and who are among the brightest of their generation are finding that men are just not interesting enough."

According to the study, it should follow that BRIGHT men are just not interesting enough to bright women.

Maybe bright women should be checkin' out the not so bright guy that likes to cook and clean and feed the animals.

Hey, maybe we're on the right track, after all! Seems that society might be moving in that direction, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: fat B****rd
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 03:28 AM

One thing I know about women.

They look better in just their stockings than men do in just their socks.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:07 AM

They tend to look better in the mans socks than the men do too!
It does appear from the statements and replies on this thread that there is a big discrepancy between the expectations of women and those of men.....so...the thread itself seems to have given us plenty of reasons for not marrying. A few of the replies have been spot-on.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 06:08 AM

i fall in the camp of not needing a certificate either, nor wish to gain permission from any external body for major decisions in my life.

BTW, with all these pesky GUESTS on the scene, I would like to point out that my only anon posting was the original one.

and Martin, beware, i may send my good friend Nurse Ratched to visit you one day...

ps what IS a tush, anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: 42
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 07:22 AM

I like the idea of contract marriages...five year term renewable ...release without penalty...

The whole concept of remaining with the same person for life is one which I feel sets any partnership up for failure.

People change and grow - not necessarily in the same direction.

Enjoy the benefits of a solid, loving relationship while it is that, kiss goodbye and keep the memories and the blender without societal censure for "not working hard enough at it".

that's what two cents will buy you on the Cat

Jen

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 08:01 AM

Well, the problem a lot of folks here are having is not understanding the game of marriage. It has different goals, different rules, and different moves, freedoms and boundaries, than the game of living as a single self. When yu try to run amarriage on the rules of the single self sort of game, ito f course sooner or later falls apart.

The same thing would happen if you tried to play chess on a Monopoly board. Not only would you mess up the game but you would lose all the greatest pleasures of both games by mixing yourself up so badly.

You can get into marrying while you are still trying to figure out the basic rules of play for the Self game and find that neither game works very well. IN the confusion you can also leap to the conclusion that you are messed up and that marriage is a messed up business. Neither being really the case except in opinion.

As for playing a game that you really--after taking everything into account-- do not want to play, that doesn't make too much sense, does it?

A

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 09:06 AM

Splendid idea, 42!!!

And, Amos, that was also very well stated, laying out the alternate viewpoint.

I should not really have allowed myself to become that annoyed over LadyJean's comments. It's silly to let other people control oneself like that...better to just leave them merrily to their own misperceptions and cherished beliefs.

I think, though, that it would be blatantly obvious that keen intelligence is attractive in either gender. It would only be unattractive to someone who was themselves lacking in either intelligence...or some other worthy quality, such as the ability to love with an open heart.

I can say of all the women I have ever been much attracted to...they were intelligent. Some were pretty insecure, but they were all notably intelligent. This didn't necessarily mean they looked like your local librarian either. In fact, intelligence generally adds much attractiveness to appearance, specially to the eyes and face.

This concept of "marrying up" or "marrying down"...can't really relate to it. I don't believe in it. You marry a unique individual, not a representative of a class. Healthy relationships are based on a sense of equality, not on connecting "up" or "down".

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:15 AM

"Without marriage, there is no divorce. Remember the alimony!" -- Nina Farewell

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:27 AM

If people think in terms of marrying 'up' or 'down', IMO they have a view of themselves that ain't too healthy. "Oooooh, I am so fecking wonderful that the WORLD will want ME!" Jaysus, gimme a break. Most people, guy or gal, have days they should put their heads in ovens to save the rest of us the angst of their views and opinions. If the opposite sex is a 'chore' for you to relate to on a human level, don't. Listening to people talk about how 'the other sex' buggered up their lives is a pain in the arse. If your relationships went down the tubes for whatever reason, it's likely you too had something to do with it. If you feel you're too intelligent for those around you, and yet you're not intelligent enough to know that then you're doomed to failure in your relationships, then y'ain't as smart as you think you are. Your initial premise was wrong to begin with.

The gal who started this thread is extremely bright--certainly my intellectual superior. Doesn't bother me a bit.

As to the absolutely stupid idea that only dolts like to cook or take care of the mundane stuff that has to be attended to around the house/home--stop being so bloody childish. No one gets off cleaning the toilet bowl or doing the dishes. It's just stuff that has to be done--regardless of your IQ or self-perceived intelligence. Get over it. And if you don't have the people skills to arrive at a solution that works for both the people in a relationship, then you're too self-absorbed to begin with. The longest journey begins with the first step. If your first step starts with looking for everything wrong about the other person, you're in for a really crappy journey.

Thank you for allowing me to get this little rant off my chest.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:32 AM

Not only smarter, but an infinitely nicer and kinder person, too.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:54 AM

Don't forget guitars, Amos----

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: mg
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 02:24 PM

Oops..got cut off there..

Anyway, several reasons.
1) Marriage is not suitable for you.
2)

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: mg
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 02:24 PM

well it keeps cutting me off so I will pontificate later.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 02:42 PM

Hockey, metchosin? Did you just give yourself away big time? (or are you into junior or high school hockey or some such thing, in which case I apologize in advance.)

And Bobert nailed it. The thing that amazes me most about the men and women thing is that men are so hideously ugly. How could a benevolent God have created such a thing??

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Com Seangan
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 02:54 PM

Jakus, lads and lassies. Take it easy. We are complementary. And there is such a thing as enduring love - which blinds us to the weaker spots in the persona of teh partnet.
Vive la difference.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 03:12 PM

This didn't necessarily mean they looked like your local librarian either.

For shame, Little Hawk, you librarianist, you! Librarians don't even look "like your local librarian" any more. That's as bogus an observation as saying women over 40 are more likely to be killed by a terrorist than to marry. (The line they use frequently in Sleepless in Seattle--if Nora Ephron ridiculed it, it must not be true!)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 03:20 PM

yes, how many women are there out there that look like Rapaire? (in or OUT of the skeleton suit?)


brucie - beware i have a split personality - the nice part is a cover - remember nurse ratched is there for the bad hair days.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: mg
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 03:37 PM

I don't think you need a reason for not marrying, unless you have bred children, then you better have a good reason for not marrying him or her in my opinion.

Anyway, if you are the marrying sort, I think the reasons not to marry are
1) you haven't met the right one
2) you met the right one but he/she is not available..i.e., married, lives too far away, too many other obligations etc.
3) right one, available, but has fatal flaws..gambler, drug user, alcoholic, abusive at times.

A subgroup of 1 is that you met a great person, but he/she does not have the elusive "it". Could have great character, personality, values, stability etc., but there is no point if "it" is not there.

I say otherwise quit dithering and get married already..

mg

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:01 PM

mmmm as a person who has had a few marriages..and been taken advantage of as the knight in shining armour....don't get married unless you are sure that she is the one for you...without other needs such as....lack of funding.....diabetes out of control.....left by another partner and not recovered.....just had a hysterectomy.....
has four children by two different fathers and is purely looking for a man to father them.....
I have unfortunately fallen into a few traps and would now only ever consider someone who wants me purely because I am me!
I feel I have been weak because I have been easily sucked into situations where I am of "Use" to a woman.....never again!
If I ever marry again it will be because SHE loves me with no conditions or problems.......Am I being too harsh here or using common sense at last?
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:14 PM

Hey heric, I'm not sure what I gave away, other than I like hockey played well and I am Canadian!*BG* I'm also female and I think the world would be a pretty god awful dreary place if we weren't driven to seek bonds with one another, legal or otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:42 PM

Little Hawk!! Tsk tsk!

I'm married to my local librarian. She's highly intelligent, talented, and very attractive.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:47 PM

Come out from behind that stack of books, Little Hawk, and defend yourself, if you can!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:51 PM

People are gregarious by nature. We actively seek out the company of others. Sometimes in real life--whether in person or on the 'nat--things don't work out. Often they do. Marriage--I was married for 27 years--and finally it ended. Stuff happens. I don't blame my ex--but I will be damned if I will go around blaming myself either. The dynamics of two people 'breaking up' is not as simple as "S/he is bad and the one at fault." Life doesn't happen in isolation; nor does it happen in a vacuum.

I see many things in my ex to admire. I would never, under any circumstance, try to assign the blame to her. She is a wonderful woman, and that's all anyone's gotta know. That said, people who think of the other sex/gender as lesser beings are in for a rough time. If you're too good for the other to beginn with, you'll just keep getting better and the other person won't. Wow. Lucky you. Perfect--and all alone.

Metchosin is right (as is Freda). Lighten up and recognize that everyone ain't perfect. Life gets easier to cope with that way. IMO of course.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:52 PM

My dream woman is a librarian, with a Master's in Fine Arts who moonlights as a symphony cellist. But she's got to LOOK like a librarian. That's first.


I once married a lawyer.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:16 PM

Don Firth...you are one well blessed guy.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:40 PM

I am indeed, Mike. Thank you.

It helps a lot if you marry a friend, someone you've known for a while. Barbara and I met in 1971 and got married in 1977.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 08:10 PM

When I was a crass young man I used the throw away line "If ever I meet a woman who is daft enough to want to marry me do you think I would be daft enough to want to marry her"
What a Pillock I was !!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 08:40 PM

(And the Bobert patiently awaits Little Hawk's "Dance of the Deing Duck" under the relentless cross examination of the mighty SRS...)

Yo, L.H. You can do what I always do and just throw up yer arms and say "Hey, you talkin' to me?" Works every time....

B~

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 11:27 PM

The idea of marrying up or down financially (or intellectually, as mentioned in the original post) is not a concept that I personally agree with. It has been in practice for a very long time and is a big part of the male/female dynamic when marriage is concerned. The basic foundation of marriage (historically) is a financial alliance and this hasn't changed much.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Auggie (cookieless)
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 11:58 PM

If "The basic foundation of marriage (historically) is a financial alliance and this hasn't changed much" then it's no wonder why there are so many divorces.

If I want a financial alliance, I call my banker. If I want a relationship where the happiness and well being of the other person is the foremost goal, if I find trying to do this makes my own life all the sweeter, and if I find that person feels the same, then I've got at least the first row of bricks in the foundation for marriage.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:17 AM

OK, the nicest guy I know is happily married to a very bright lady, and he is very proud of her achievements. He also likes to dance. He is one in a million. I have a hard time believing he's straight.

Women are carefully trained, at least many of us are, to stroke the male ego, to make him feel like he's smarter and more capable than he is.

I don't do make a habit of that. My mom used to sing a song called, "How To Lose Your Man". In it the woman tells about letting a man know she knows as much or more than he does, and losing him.

The man I'm sort of involved with now, likes to debate. Of course if I'm winning he'll change the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:34 AM

Discussions are a better idea than debates, I think, because in a discussion both parties can win. Dancing is definitely something that I could put some time into learning more about. You will be happy to know, Lady Jean, that I have no interest whatsoever in professional sports. I don't give a damn who wins the Superbowel (sorry! "bowl") because it's meaningless. Talk about a stupid game...

As for the $50 autographed pictures...what was that about? Do you mean pictures of hockey players or movie stars or what?

I'll tell you what does interest me: Music, literature, history, culture, animals and nature, philosophy, spiritual advancement, geography, politics, guitars, people, some movies, and model kits of ships, planes, etc. I have a couple of wooden tall ship models that you ought to see. Very beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:35 AM

You hold onto that thought: the good guy's 'one-in-a-million'. That makes about 3000 men on Earth who will be the man of your dreams. Long odds. Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:58 AM

The notion that the foundation of marriage is financial is misplaced, and depends on a misconception about the nature of the game,.

A similar misconception is taught to MBAs in modern times, asserting that the sole and only measur eof business success is the number of dollars of profit made.

Both of these beliefs undermine the substance and quality of life itself, and produce ruinous machinations manned by barren, sordid, scalded souls.

A

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 01:02 AM

>>If "The basic foundation of marriage (historically) is a financial alliance and this hasn't changed much" then it's no wonder why there are so many divorces.<<

I have a feeling that it may be true, and that my smarter-than-me ex-wife did know that, when I didn't. Maybe this is common knowledge but I recently read that divorce rates climb significantly in times and regions of economic prosperity.

But there's this (from David Buss, Psychologist, University of Texas; author, "The Evolution of Desire"):

[I believe in] true love.

I've spent two decades of my professional life studying human mating. In that time, I've documented phenomena ranging from what men and women desire in a mate to the most diabolical forms of sexual treachery. I've discovered the astonishingly creative ways in which men and women deceive and manipulate each other. I've studied mate poachers, obsessed stalkers, sexual predators and spouse murderers. But throughout this exploration of the dark dimensions of human mating, I've remained unwavering in my belief in true love.

While love is common, true love is rare, and I believe that few people are fortunate enough to experience it. The roads of regular love are well traveled and their markers are well understood by many - the mesmerizing attraction, the ideational obsession, the sexual afterglow, profound self-sacrifice and the desire to combine DNA. But true love takes its own course through uncharted territory. It knows no fences, has no barriers or boundaries. It's difficult to define, eludes modern measurement and seems scientifically woolly. But I know true love exists. I just can't prove it.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 01:05 AM

Right on, Amos! And you too, heric.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 01:09 AM

Listen to beautiful songs; read wonderful poems; see the gleam in lovers' eyes. Nothing BUT true love could spark these things. Of course true love exists--and it needs no proof outside the relationship.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:27 PM

you don't want to, don't need too. If it ain't broke don't fix it

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 02:01 PM

Exactly.

I think people in conventional society get married mostly for these reasons:

1. It's a social custom they are used to.
2. It's a social expectation they are under.
3. Other people (like their parents) brainwash them into thinking it's the only normal (and happy) way to be. Not so.
4. Other people pressure them into it.
5. Churches pressure them into it.
6. They figure it'll make them happy.
7. They (often) see financial gains and material and emtional security in the institution. This can turn out to be a bit misleading, to say the least...

They are obeying outward forms, but not grasping inner realities, because this is what marriage TRULY IS:

Marriage is a soul bond between 2 people who want to be together on an exclusive basis of intimicacy, and to share the joys, difficulties and challenges of Life together in a sacred way. That requires no ceremony, no religion, no government, no piece of paper, no priest, no judge, and no one else's approval whatsoever. It just requires an inner committment of the mind, heart, and souls of those two people that is continuing and sincere.

The inner bond of souls is true marriage. The outer trappings are appearance only, and often cover up something that is NOT true marriage.

People are mostly too inattentive and lazy to bother looking very far beyond mere outer appearances (as long as they're still in their comfort zone). The majority of legal marriages are, in fact, NOT true marriages in the inner sense. They are quasi-marriages, half-marriages, and in many cases, total non-marriages.

I have explained what the REAL reasons are for marrying, and I applaud anyone who actualizes them, with or without the legalities and ceremonies sanctioned by church and society. Let those who actually have eyes to see see what is true by looking beyond surface appearances to the heart and soul within.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 02:16 PM

I love threads like this because we see so much of the character of the people posting...All real people eh? Great stuff.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 03:28 PM

But she's got to LOOK like a librarian

lol

What does a librarian look like?

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: freda underhill
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 03:40 PM

the Nepalese say that if you marry someone, you should enjoy talking to them. because in the end, that's all you'll have left.

love can only happen where two people can do it without any hangups - the main crippling hang up being - if that person loves me, there must be something wrong with them (b/c i'm not worth it) therfore i cant love them any more. people with this view seek out people that DONT love them, they end up being rejected on a regular basis.

patience and respect help love continue, and a good sense of humour on both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Charmion at work
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 04:27 PM

One sign of a marriage likely to last: both parties think they married "up".

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 06:50 PM

Ah...librarians. Nature's fairest work! What was I thinking of when I suggested...?

Well, this was in my mind's eye:

A skinny, dessicated, woman with lips drawn so thin and mean that they cut cut paper like new scissors. She wears a black or dark purple gown of some kind, pulled in tight at the waist, and shoes that come to little points (all the better to kick you with). She wears those kind of glasses that go way out to points on the sides and are decorated fancy-like. The kind that female animals wear in the Far Side comic. She has a glance that can freeze your blood. She is a lifetime spinster with a heart that is shrunken up like a dried apple at the bottom of a mine shaft. She makes icebergs seem warm in comparison. She wields absolute and total authority over all she surveys...and she rules the realm of Absolute Silence! Anything that dares to be noisy in her presence DIES!!!!

Sadly, however, the classic librarian of yore is now a vanishing species, like Laverne the Bell Canada agent. They are becoming just like everyone else now.

Sniff! Sob!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 07:14 PM

Sounds kinky, LH.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 07:41 PM

Yes, that's it exactly! (The first half - up through the word "blood.") Plus thin straight hair tied up and back. Those glasses are good but glasses can be of different styles. Oh -- to die for!

Picture it, LH, when she pours a glass of wine and takes out her cello.

(Maybe it's just me. . . . )

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 08:07 PM

LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 08:17 PM

because Im quite happy being me!

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker..
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 08:58 PM

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 09:10 PM

..errrr.. ummm.. i'm happily married..

..sorry what.. what..!!??

i'm on the internet.. what ..??
i cant hear you..

i'm trying to talk on the internet..
what..

yes i am interested.. of course i am..

no i cant hear you.. i'm on the internet..
yes of course i care.. no thats not the matter..

oh for ****s sake what..??
no your mothers got nothing to do with it..
of coure i'm not trying to avoid you..
i'm on the ****ing internet.

no.. i'm not getting nasty with you..
i'm just trying to finish typing something on the ****ing internet..

oh well just go to bed then..
and you can stick Celebrity Big Brother up your ****..!

see if i care..

..and same to you..
i'll sleep on the sofa again tonight then shall i.??!!

bollocks..!!!!

yeah.. as i was saying..

i'm happily married...

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 09:43 PM

French chansonnier Georges Brasssens, when asked why he had never married, just responded "Mais pourquoi?"

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 07:38 PM

Punkfolkrocker.
Your post brings back many happy memories, of battles long ago..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Evil Librarian
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 11:11 PM

Simple. Because all men are bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: LadyJean
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:54 AM

I have no idea why some women marry the men they do. I've just heard from my best friend from high school, who married a fussy little man I wouldn't want for a lunch buddy. After 20 years and 3 kids he eloped with a priest. (Male and C of E.)
As to why get married, I believe the institution was invented because it takes at least two people to manage a toddler.
I've bought a house, and it would be very conveniet to have a man in it, to shovel snow, if it snows again, deal with car stuff. (No woman likes to go to a garage, and men do.) change the lightbulb on the front porch, and other guy stuff.
Of course my one time male housemate seemed convinced that his parts would fall off if he did anything I asked him to do.

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 05:57 PM

It would have been interesting to put his theory to the test... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 07:27 PM

Evil librarian, be warned. There are several very nasty-minded, immature, hulking teenage louts on their way to ruin your peaceful library with their rude pranks, their "fart" jokes, and their generally awful behaviour. Lock and load, baby! And take no prisoners!

They're all bastards...

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: frogprince
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 07:44 PM

I'm gonna sneak in a back corner to look at an anatomy book...

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,Veronica Rutledge
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 08:24 PM

People who are dead set against marriage must be either totally unattractive or dead stupid. Marriage is one of the most marvelous moments in life, if not the most. My Aunt Penelope held off the decision until she was properly ready, but then she married Uncle Winston and it was all so wonderful. I can't imagine anyone stupid enough to dismiss marriage on principle. Such people are no contribution the gene pool in any case, so it's better that they remain alone, I say!

I intend to marry someone absolutely marvelous when I turn 24 or 25. Perhaps even sooner. But not too soon. Well, at 25 then. Or 24. We'll see.

TTFN

* Veronica *

Subject: RE: BS: reasons for not marrying
From: GUEST,That will be eight or nine years from now.
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 08:47 PM

Have the lobotomy soon. It will be a step up.