'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 02 - 09:17 AM

There really isn't anything anyone can do now about this situation, IMO. Except let it go, and learn from it.

The lesson to be learned: musicians, get professional legal advice before you sign anything.

Again, IMO, anyone who suggests something can be done about CM/DB is either ignorant of UK law in these matters, or out for vengeance.

There is quite a number of latter inhabiting the UK folk music Internet forums, BTW.

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Nerd
Date: 02 May 02 - 09:09 AM

John,

amazing how in trying to get away from off-topic whining I drifted into off-topic humor, isn't it? Sorry!

Dick's two solo LPs (No More Forever and Kist O' Gold) and at least two of his Five Hand Reel albums--classics all--are tied up in this mess too. It's a crime what's happened to him, and it's a crime that groundbreaking work like these albums are buried like this. I believe No More Forever was released as one of Bulmer's quick and dirty "CDRs lableled as CDs" (as have records by the Dransfields and Ray Fisher). No-one gets their royalties from these productions.

The only reason we tend to focus on Nic (or I at least) is that Dick at least has most of his records available on other labels and can still work. But all these artists are being swindled, and the world is being cheated of loads of great music!

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 02 - 08:45 AM

Yes John, there is. Amazingly enough, if you actually read these threads, you will find information on this.

You could also ask Dick Gaughan yourself. He frequents the uk.music.folk newsgroup, has a website which, if I'm not mistaken, provides a way to contact him personally.

No one in this forum can speak on behalf of Dick Gaughan. Or anyone else, for that matter. Unless Nic and Julia have hired Ralphie as their PR rep, that is.

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST,john sutherland
Date: 02 May 02 - 08:20 AM

Although I am not without a sense of humour it would be better to focus this thread on the subject. Bulmer and Sharpley are still operating and causing great distress to many artists whose work they continue to plunder. I note that Dick Gaughan has, or had, a connection to this company, and worked in Bulmers recording studio remixing old album tracks, etc, any information on this.

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Nerd
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:46 AM

And anyway, Pluto's pretty big relative to the average human brain, so I'm still impressed!

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Ralphie
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:42 AM

Oh Blimey, You know what I've done?
Provoked all the pedants out there, who will prove to me that Pluto is not in fact a true planet....!
Sorry Folks.....Ralphie

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Ralphie
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:39 AM

Nerd
Many thanks for that explanation.....Never heard of it before
And me, with a brain the size of a planet!!
Trouble is, the planet is Pluto! All the best,
Ralphie

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Ralphie
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:26 AM

PS
This also applies if you are not who say you are !!!!
I just can't see why you are so angry??
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Nerd
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:24 AM

Ralphie (and others who may not have gotten my reference):

"Playing the world's smallest violin" is a gesture made by rubbing together the tips of your thumb and middle finger. It denotes a sarcastic parody of sympathy as in "oh yes, your troubles are SO much worse than the troubles I've got."

Often, while gesturing, the gesturer will say "you know what this is?" When the complainer says "what?" the gesturer answers "it's the world's smallest violin playing for your censored internet messages!"

My point is just that the Bulmer situation is a serious one for many people, including Nic. It's disrespectful to them to turn the discussion of their problems into moaning that "when I criticize Joe Offer My thread gets renamed!"

My final point (and I did have one): Nic and people in his position vis a vis Bulmer are the ones with the real problems, so they deserve to make the "world's smallest violin" gesture.

Sorry to be cryptic!

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Ralphie
Date: 02 May 02 - 02:19 AM

Mmmmm Guest (Mrs Bulmer)...Whatever that means !
I understand, and can even agree with some of your points, and, indeed I have been guilty of a few childish comments in this forum, since this whole sorry saga started, for which Mea Culpa..The tablets are beginning to work, I'm glad to say...!!
I won't repeat myself here, as to why I can't let this injustice continue, but, If you are indeed, who you say you are, maybe you can have some influence on the situation...
For, without some reasonable solution regarding the lost Leader/Trailer/Highway/Rubber...(etc) albums, I'm afraid life will only get less fun for you....Not meant to be a threat, honestly, It's just that there are a lot of very annoyed people out there who won't let it go...
As you know the "Unearthed" project has been very successful for Nic, and finally some monies have been coming in, but, others have not been so lucky methinks..Tony Rose, for one,
If you are, indeed who you say you are, become a member, don't go into the Forum,if you don't want too. (Nobody will even know your chosen name) and PM me..I promise that I'll keep any conversations we may have Private..
Best Wishes....Ralphie

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: DonD
Date: 01 May 02 - 10:25 PM

I'm fascinated by this GUEST with the bug up its (no sexist presumtoins here) ass, or since it's probably in the UK, arse. As part of the ongoing 'discussion' over 'guest' behavior, I'm more and more convinced that 'guest' is simply the wrong word.

Even if you announce an 'open house' you expect th people who comwe in as anonymous strangers to show some respect for the hosts and their invited friends. Those who do are treated as and called 'guests'; those who create a disturbance, complain about the refreshments, monopolize the conversation with solely negative comments, and such are called 'gate crsshers' and it's made very clear to them that they're unwelcome -- or the call goes out for "SECURITY!!!"

If you don't like it here so much, GUEST, GUEST, GuEST, and GUEST, go away!!

I don't know Nic Jones (though I'm glad to hear he's better) nor Dave Bulmer (though I'm glad to hear he's worse), but I'm interested to read threads without constant, boring carping from gate crashers.

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 07:16 PM

Oh I'm sure there are more than a few people who would LOVE to expose all us anonymous guests, just like you would do given the chance Ralphie. In fact, I'm quite certain Max will do just that one of these days, because he strikes me as a very immature, vengeful kind of guy. This sort of identity conjecture isn't the least bit uncommon here in Mudcat the minute an anon guest hits someone or other's nerve. The offended Mudcat party declares with absolute certainty the poster is this or that disgruntled member/former member, this or that person they went round with in this thread or that, etc ad nauseum. Why just in these threads alone, George H. accused several guests of being several different people, the most entertaining of which was that we were actually Mr. or Mrs. Dave Bulmer. Got a good chuckle out of that one.

Yours forever Ralphie and Joe,

Mrs. Bulmer

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Ralphie
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:44 PM

I stand by my comments re Joes policing. And if I ever offend the people that run this place, I would happily put up with the slapping that I would truly deserve.!
And...Nerd....explain please?? (Or am I just being thick!)
Regards Ralphie
Mmmmm, How did Joe know that Guest was a woman??
And.....You're my enemy?....Nice to know I suppose!! I'd PM you, but as a Guest, I can't do that.....Shame..

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:08 PM

Guest PH: Good Luck. Joe: right on.

To bring this back to Bulmer/ Celtic Music, I think this issue is too important to get swallowed up by "what's wrong with Mudcat" considerations. Remember, people's livelihoods are at stake!

Or to put it another way, on one track of a buried Bulmer LP, Nic Jones plays the world's smallest violin for some of our posters who shall (literally) remain nameless.

cheers!

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:24 AM

Of course you believe Joe Offer is very sensible to censor your enemies, right Ralphie?

Until he starts censoring you too.

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I'm sorry our Guest has suffered a bruised ego, but her messages were NOT censored. Click here to see her comments, which remain in the thread where she posted them.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Ralphie
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:18 AM

Joe...very sensible.....hope the aborted thread withers on the vine!
Now....Who is Guest P.H. ?
Ralphie

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST,guest. john sutherland.
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:13 AM

this saga is far from over, but good to see bulmer and sharpley on the defensive, good luck P.H. it's not over till it's over.

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 07:50 AM

Ah, the heavy hand of Mudcat censorship strikes again. "Personal attacks" justifications, right Joe? You are going to save us all from daring to discuss another poster.

There apparently is plenty of room to leave in the personal, really horrible attacks on guests, but no room for some good natured, innocuous ribbing of the membership, right?

No double standard here.

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Noreen
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:41 AM

Thanks Joe, and as I said earlier, good luck, PH. Let us know how you get on.

Noreen

Subject: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 May 02 - 03:30 AM

This is part three of this thread. there was another part 3, but it turned into a flame fest, so I diverted it. I transferred the applicable messages here, and left the others to duke it out amongst themselves.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Part 3
From: Noreen
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 09:03 AM

Good luck, PH.

Subject: RE: 'Celtic Music/Dave Bulmer' saga: Pt 2
From: GUEST,P.H. 30.4.02.
Date: 30 Apr 02 - 08:21 AM

I am not able to give my name at the moment, but it will soon become common knowlege. I too was foolish enough to sign contracts with this company and I believe I was the first ever to do so. Celtic Music owe me a considerable amount of money in royalties and still hold copywright on my works and any attempt on my part to raise this matter with Bulmer is either ignored or answered evasively by Neil Sharpley, who still acts as front man for this organisation to this day. Celtic Music is NOT a member of MCPS, which in itself is very unusual for a record company and they collect royalties direct from record companies, which makes the job of tracing these royalties very difficult but not impossible. I have taken legal advice on this matter and my case is watertight, and although I have little hope of recovering monies due to me I will fight for the rights to my work. I have raised this matter with PRS and provided them with all the information at my disposal concerning this company and it's dealings, and you will not be surprised to hear that every clause in my contract's dealing with the obligations of Celtic Music towards me have not been kept, other than to collect monies due to me and retained. I can understand why so many artists were duped into signing contracts with this company, I knew Dave Bulmer personally as a friend and fellow musician, I have visited his office and stayed at his home and if he can treat me in this fashion it is no surprise that he has no problem cheating others. I should mention also that I have released several C.D.'s without Bulmer's knowlege in different countries and I would welcome a challenge from him on this matter. If you would like more information I can contact you direct by E.Mail, let me know. Keep up the good work, it's good to see that so many others are striving to bring down this corrupt organisation.

Subject: RE: Celtic Music etc Part 3
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 11:51 AM

Continued from:
Part 1
Part 2

Subject: Celtic Music etc Part 3
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 11:45 AM

Part 2 was getting to long for the people with old computers, sorry i don't have time to make link to part 2, I am just setting off for work.