BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:12 PM

"Citing the FBI as reason is a simplistic--and, it appears, inaccurate-- explanation."

The FBI was investigating Ted Stevens. The FBI set up the sting, not Palin.   Please tell me where my statement was inaccurate. It may simplistic, but I would think simple answers are what all of us want.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:04 PM

"I'm tellin' Cynthia McKinney on ya'..lol..."


               I'll find a place to hide out!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 09:01 PM

There may be a song which will emerge from this thread yet!

Seems to me that the Canadian group had a song which began:


G------------------F----------G—F---Bb-G
'Twas in the town of Pelham one dark and drea-ry day
---F---------------------------Bb----F---G----F
We local lads was in the pub, just sipping time away-a
------G-----------------F--------------G---------F--Bb/G
When in there walked this stranger who dis-turbed our con-tem-pla-tion
---F--------------------------G---F/Bb/G/F
So we decided his facial features need-ed al-te-ra-tion.
------G--------------------F---------------G—F—Bb--G
"Now what's your name, fair stranger? We've not seen you in town."
---F---------------------------Bb-----F------G----F
He answers "David Disher. I'm a man of some re-nown-on."
-----G------------------F--------------G----F/Bb/G
Says Patrick, "Well, now, Disher, lest you think that I'm remiss,
-----F----------------------------G—F--Bb/G/F
They calls me Scrappin' Paddy, and this here is me fist!"

Chorus:
G----------------------F----G---F-----G--------F-----------G-----F---G
Oh, Fight like a wildcat , learn your lesson, up jumps Paddy with a finger miss-in'
-----------------F---G---------F------------------------------G
Poor wee fist, one finger less, for seven pound ten 'twill scarce be missed!.
-----------------------F----G---F------G-------F-----------G-----F---G
Oh, fight like a wildcat , learn your lesson, up jumps Paddy with a finger miss-in'
--------------F----G-----------F------------------------------G
Poor wee fist, great bloody mess, for seven pound ten 'twill scarce be missed!
F-------------------------G
Paddy's finger 'twill scarce be missed!

Fight on, lads and ladies!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:55 PM

"I'm not sure she had much choice...". Actually she appears to have opposed her fellow Republicans in their corruption. Citing the FBI as reason is a simplistic--and, it appears, inaccurate-- explanation.

But the issue with the trooper is still crucial--and could destroy her reputation as a clean government crusader.

Obviously, many more facts will be coming out.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:37 PM

(I think pdq's point was that the answer is only one Senator in modern history.)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:25 PM

Yep, Obama is slowly and steadily climbing in the polls.
We'll see if McCain's convention gets him that three points back.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:22 PM

Rigs,

I'm tellin' Cynthia McKinney on ya'..lol...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:18 PM

RCP Average        08/29 - 08/31        --        48.8        44.3        Obama +4.5
CBS News        08/29 - 08/31        781 RV        48        40        Obama +8
CNN        08/29 - 08/31        927 RV        49        48        Obama +1
Gallup Tracking        08/29 - 08/31        2733 RV        49        43        Obama +6
Rasmussen Tracking        08/29 - 08/31        3000 LV        49        46        Obama +

Hmmmmmm...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 08:10 PM

...she will be occupying the position of VP, not president.

In light of McCain's age, that should surely read:

...Touch wood, she will be occupying the position of VP, not president.

True enough, 72 isn't that old these days, and he won't have to worry about getting first rate health care - but basic common sense means that the old truism that whoever is running as vice president needs to be ready to step up to the top job on day one is doubly true with a president of that age. To ignore that is just irresponsible.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: irishenglish
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 07:59 PM

pdq said the other day- "Please start talking about issues and stop sliming people." Ok fair enough. But pdq, (just for fun) after you called me out (just for fun), challenging me on my knowledge (just for fun), did you happen to see the real answer (just for fun), after you stated what you believed was the answer (just for fun)? No, oh well, too bad, I guess you are not concerned when the sliming comes from you.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 07:01 PM

"At this point it appears Palin has a reputation for fighting corruption. "

I'm not sure if she had much choice. When the FBI is investigating everyone, you need to cooperate or appear that you have something to hide.

This horsecrap about "executive experience" means nothing. Her ability to make the right decision, get people working together and instilling confidence are what any of us look for in an executive. You do not need experience to do that.   So far, I have not been impressed by her skills.   Lets see what she has to say during the campaign and debates. How she handles herself, and how ANY of the candidates handle themselves will tell the tale.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:57 PM

Maybe I'll just sit back and read for a while!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:54 PM

Dang. There's more than one goat, so I'd better pluralize that: goats.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:53 PM

I trust you are in an area with sufficient moisture to sustain the crop to fruition. I think you are gettin' people's goat.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:51 PM

"Beam me up, Scotty... There's very little intellegent life left down here..."


                  Bobert - You need to come up here where us Palin supporters are.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:49 PM

What she evidently did is she fired Walt Monegan, public safety commissioner, after he refused to fire a state trooper who had divorced--and possibly mistreated--her sister. She says she fired Mr. Monegan for other reasons, having to do with the budget, etc. But at this point it's unclear--and the Alaska Legislature is investigating. Monegan says she never told him to fire the trooper, but he had pressure to do so from members of her administration.

Monegan was offered a transfer to be the director of the Alaska state alcohol control board. He declined. Then he was fired.

Really murky so far--very few facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:47 PM

Doug, I don't think what you are calling "executive experience" is the issue in being a good president. Intelligence and judgment are more important - as Dubya has shown in his failure to be a good president. This is just a red herring, the 'executive' label. There are plenty of examples of good presidents where were not governors or in business and plenty of bad presidents who were governors or in business (George Bush as the worst).

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:44 PM

The thing that bothers me most isn't that this woman is a red-neck with a bad temper but that there are one heck of alot of Americans poised to vote against their own interests just so that they won't have to vote for a black man and who might one day be wonderin' what the Hell made them vote that way...

In an intellegent world where people are, ahhhhhh, eductaed the selection of this woman should have given Obama a 20 point jump..,.

Beam me up, Scotty... There's very little intellegent life left down here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: DougR
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:42 PM

Donuel: you are a real piece of work.

Alice: So you argue that Obama has scads of executive experience? Where? Doing what? For that matter what executive experience does Joe Biden have? He is a professional senator.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ron Davies
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:33 PM

At this point it appears Palin has a reputation for fighting corruption. That makes the allegation that she had her brother-in-law, a member of the Alaska police fired because of how he was treating her sister, particularly sensitive. At this point she defends herself by saying that he was fired for other reasons.   But this issue is absolutely crucial--and if she does not come out of it squeaky clean, she has just sunk McCain's candidacy.

I also hope everybody reads the Huffington Post article cited earlier. The author makes the excellent point that the Palin candidacy will probably have the effect of lighting the fire under Hillary that nothing else could-- to break her neck working for Obama, rather than see this arriviste take her place as the " leading woman candidate for president".

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:33 PM

Apparently the Barracuda's brain is just as nimble as McCains and she has as good a grasp of fact as does Geo. Dumbya.

What more could a NeoCon BuShite wish for!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:21 PM

Democrats should be ashamed of suggesting that drug addled Cindy McCain is pregnant with Karl Rove's child when Rush Limbaugh orally impregnated her.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 06:03 PM

sorry...


Obama on Palin

Politico's Carrie Budoff Brown reports: At a press avail in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama on Palin: "Back off these kinds of stories."

"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18 and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn't be a topic of our politics."

On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs:

"I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 05:21 PM

TRUBRIT

I admire your parenting choices.
Your daughters are lucky to have you.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 05:14 PM

Amos -- you beat me to it. I was getting ready to post Obama's response to the news of the pregnancy. The man has class--kids are (or should be) clearly off limits. NPR just indicated that the couple will marry -- were it my daughter, I would welcome the young man into our home but BEG them not to marry. If they are still together in five years, then they can get married........but here speaks a woman who offered birth control to both of her daughters when they were 15-- both of whom accepted. They are now 27 and 23, lovely healthy young women, with balanced views of sex and NO CHILDREN. Both are in long term committed relationships and one will be getting married next year....sorry, this is probably thread creep but I am so proud of them and feel so strongly that babies having babies is just a terrible idea.......and Just Say NO doesn't do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:50 PM

It might be fun for some historian to actually count the number of founding fathers who have actually recited the pledge. Certainly not all of them. No doubt a lot of them had passed on by 1892. In fact if a man had, lets say signed the Declaration of independence in his twenties, he would have had to survive to about one hundred and thirty to have even heard of the pledge.

Is this Sarah Barracuda's first "Dan Quayle" moment?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:38 PM

he Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.

Read the quote...



A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:29 PM

I'm pretty sure that "religion is the opiate of the masses was written by a Marxist." ;-)

There are social democratic parties all over Europe who hate and denounce most of Marx's more cynical and radical ideas.

Also remember that Hitler was a Nationalist Socialist and hardly a follower of Karl Marx.

Sometimes I think your political association is Groucho Marxist.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:21 PM

If people embrace a socialist economic system, they're socialists. Paying homage to gods (non-existant or otherwise) doesn't change that.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:12 PM

and so well rehearsed!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:03 PM

Grab your coat and get your hat
Leave your worries on the doorstep
Life can be so sweet
On the sunny side of the street

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 04:01 PM

I did not know you were such a tap dancer Rigin

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:57 PM

Read the book, Carol. "Religion is the opiate of the masses."
             There is no was to effectively organize a state when you have buffoons running around paying homage to non-existent gods.
But better a socialist than a minister, I say.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:54 PM

The reason that is possible, by the way, is because Christianity is a religion and socialism is an economic system. To say that a Christian must be bipolar in order to also be a socialist would be like saying that a Christian would have to be bipolar to also be a capitalist. It's a non-sequitur.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:51 PM

He was a socialist.

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Socialism

Believe it or not, it is possible to be both a Christian and a socialist.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:44 PM

This baptist minister/socialist, Rig, was not one of our founding fathers, would you agree? :)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:41 PM

"Read the entry. The guy was a Baptist Minister. If he was a socialist as well, he must have been bi-polar. "

You are really getting desparate when you try to twist the obvious. Spin doctor is not a good career move for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:38 PM

"Just goes to show, this Frum feller ain't any too smart!"

You are right Riginslinger, anyone who would supply Bush with things to say cannot be the sharpest tool in the shed.   You would think if the man was any sort of speechwriter, he could at least make the speaker look like he had an ounce of brains.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:38 PM

"The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a SOCIALIST!"

               Read the entry. The guy was a Baptist Minister. If he was a socialist as well, he must have been bi-polar.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:34 PM

I note with interest that Riginslinger has nothing to say about Palin's lack of knowledge on the Pledge of Allegiance.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:31 PM

"I just made the point that David Frum, Bush's former speechwriter, has said, in no uncertain terms that Obama is ready to be President and Palin is not."


                   Just goes to show, this Frum feller ain't any too smart!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:27 PM

At a brief press availability in Monroe, Mich., ABC News asked Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., if he had any response to Gov. Sarah Palin's statement that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter Bristol is pregnant.

"Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

"This shouldn't be part of our politics," he continued, "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he said. "You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits."

---

Obviously, Obama's character speaks in higher tones than McCain's.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 03:11 PM

Ms. Palin has announced that her daughter Bristol (17) is pregnant. Made me smile. Shit happens.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM

LOL!

The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a SOCIALIST!


I would love to be able to tell her that to her face and watch her reaction.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:44 PM

Palin thinks the founding fathers wrote the Pledge of Allegiance.


If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:34 PM

>>On the other hand, it would be remiss of you as a citizen not to question Obama's qualifications and character.

Damn right. I think we have done our questioning and have made our choice, now it is your turn.<<<

Ron is right on the money here. Obama has been well vetted, He has survived trial by Clinton.

Your gal got her governor's nomination by not being as corrupt as the other guy. She got her VP nomination by being an anti-abortion woman. Now is when the vetting must begin for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:30 PM

>>You do your candidate no good by your baseless attacks.

If you feel that they are baseless attacks, how much good do you think you are doing your candidate by simply trying to turn them around?

You are not making a lot of sense here Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:27 PM

DougR,

Like many people who vote the way you do, you have a problem with basic math.

Palin will be a one term governor in January 2011. Right now she is a 2/5th 's term governor.

She is a first term governor, But she cam harldy take credit for the whole term.

As for the "experience issue" John McCain said a month or so ago that his most important requirement for VP was someone who would be ready on day one if something happened to him. As usual we have to decide which McCain to believe; the McCain of the Present day of the McCain of the recent past.

Seriously, how can you believe a word that comes from his age addled mouth?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:27 PM

I repeat, calling a year in the Alaska governor's office "executive experience" is a joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 02:20 PM

On the other hand, it would be remiss of you as a citizen not to question Obama's qualifications and character.

Damn right. I think we have done our questioning and have made our choice, now it is your turn.