BS: Palin VP McCain choice

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SharonA
Date: 01 Sep 08 - 12:23 AM

Nor into mine, Jack, nor into mine. Of course, nearly every human being is in favor of living AND in favor of having a free choice! The problems come in choosing for others....
"I choose not to let you be born because I chose to have sex without planning for parenthood"
"I choose to kill you with a bomb because my country chooses to take something that your country has"
"I choose not to let you be born because someone chose to rape me and you are the product of that rape"
"I choose to shoot you dead because you are shooting at me for choosing to invade your homeland"
,,,None of these options seems preferable...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:41 PM

Sorry SharonA, I often make that mistake. Of course nearly ever human being is pro-life, so that silly definition has never sunk into my head.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SharonA
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:09 PM

Jack the Sailor: I take it you mean "there is no way they will vote for a pro-CHOICE candidate." Ironic, isn't it, that McCain was a soldier in Vietnam -- there was a time when HE would have been called a "baby-killer". But nowadays, retroactive abortion by war seems to be the righteous thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SharonA
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:57 PM

Apparently, Palin has some party-loyalty problems at home. According to this ABC News article, Alaska's Republican senior Senator Ted Stevens is up for re-election in a tight race with Anchorage's mayor. Stevens had endorsed Palin when she ran for governor in '06 (not during her primary, but 3 weeks before the general election) and she publicly and enthusiastically accepted that endorsement. Problem is that now Stevens is under indictment for lying about political gifts received. In July of this year, before the indictment but after the FBI raided Stevens' home, Palin and Stevens held a joint news conference and said there was no political distance between them. However, now that Palin is on McCain's "maverick" platform, the McCain campaign is keeping mum about whether Palin will or will not support Stevens' campaign.

Yet more evidence that McCain didn't think through his choice for veep. Either McC has to look the other way while Palin endorses Stevens and tries to keep that Senate seat on the Republican side of the aisle (and shows the country that he's no maverick and that the GOP is the SOS), or he insists that she not endorse Stevens and he loses the Republican Senate seat and all the party-goodwill that he might have gained from Alaska by nominating their governor as VP. Idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM

Alice, don't let the polls fool you. A lot of people won't say abortion is an issue because for them it is a given. But its a biggie. In the last few days I found that for a number of people I know. It is paramount. If there is no way they will vote for a pro life candidate. If they call him a baby killers, then other issues have no relevance.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM

Sarah Palin, whose education was in a small Idaho college, majoring in journalism and won her governor's race as a fluke because Murkowski became unpopular - TOTALLY NOT QUALIFIED for any federal level office!

from wiki:
"In 1996, she challenged and defeated incumbent mayor John Stein, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes. In January 1997, Palin fired the Wasilla police chief, citing a failure to support her administration. In response, a group of 60 residents calling themselves Concerned Citizens for Wasilla discussed attempting a recall campaign against Palin, but decided against it. The fired police chief later sued Palin on the grounds that he was fired because he supported the campaign of Palin's opponent, but his suit was dismissed when the judge ruled that Palin had the right under state law to fire city employees, even for political reasons."

She criticized wasteful spending, then went ahead with building a big ice rink that has caused the city to cut back on funding for such things as the library. Well, she is anti-science, too, so I guess the library is not as important to her as having a hockey rink built in her name.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:25 PM

Jack, look at the Harris poll results for this month that I linked to. Abortion issue is WAY down the list of concerns of voters right now. Perception is not the same as reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:24 PM

The economy -- it has to be the economy....what else is there. We are spending $15K to change our house to a gas heating system because of the price of oil -- we are spending $4K to put in a pellet stove......we are among the lucky few because we actually HAVE the $19K this is going to cost to have done............; ; what do those poor souls living from pay check to pay check do??? Where is the end to it?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Riginslinger
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:22 PM

"Seriously pdq. She [Sarah Palin] is without a doubt the least qualified person ever to run for one of the two national offices."


               Except for Barack Obama. She's more qualified than he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:18 PM

I would say that the top three issues are the economy. Followed by getting out of Iraq, then banning abortion. Though for many of McCain's supporters abortion is first.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:14 PM

My point was that if McCain wanted a woman on the ticket he had many other much stronger choices than Ms. Palin. But of course, those other women were not strong enough on pro life and creationism.......!

Pdq - didn't mean to misquote you......

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:12 PM

Silly people are taking their ball and going home since some people say mean things about their candidate. These grown ups need a fresh perspective.

Like one of my cartoons about people who protest protest;



To question is to ridicule senslessly

To ridicule is to attack

To attack is childish

To be childish is to question

Don Hakman

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:07 PM

What I said was: Liddy Dole is a very able person and quite capable of being president. I also said Colin Powell and Mitt Romney would have been good choices. I did not say McCain could have chosen Liddy Dole since her loyalty to Bob Dole ruled her out as a candidate. I respect her decision.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: mg
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:07 PM

Olympia Snowe would seem to be an excellent choice. I have had some professional contact with her years ago and she was quite impressive. She is Greek-American I believe...well so was Spiro T. but would add some ethnic variety as well. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 09:48 PM

I heard on NPR that McCain had named a female to run--I caught just the tail end of it and didn't know who so called home in a panic to ask my husband if he had heard and if he thought it would get McCain elected. He had heard and said -- not that woman!!! As someone (pdq, I think) said earlier McCain could have picked Liddy Dole -- God, he could have picked Olympia Snowe from Maine and we might all be shaking in our shoes but this woman - a person who boasts of being a hockey mum? Please - it's insulting to the majority of women, I hope it will be the deathknell of the McCain campaign......

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 09:35 PM

Yeah, like they say, people vote their pocketbooks and this election will be no different... Once Obama beats back McCain's BIG LIE about Obama raising "your taxes" the rest will work iotself out fairly nicely...

Problem is that right now, McCain's camp has injected several BIG LIEs into the campaign that the Obama team will ahve to dispell before the polls will move...

But I do like the comment that Obama made about McCain not having the "temperment" to be president and I hope that his people will come out with a few ads showing McHothead to be just that and that oughtta buy Obama some time to beat back some of the BIG LIES while McCain scurries to come up with a number of ads where people give testimonials about just what a nice guy McNice really is...

Kinda a chess game right now...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 09:05 PM

"The two most important issues with the American people are immigration and foreign policy"

pdq, is that your opinion?

Cause I'd say that the economy is #1 & McCash hasn't got a clue what to do about that except to offer the rich more tax breaks & that's been oh, so sucessful as we've recently seen. Thanks Bush for the F#&king 600 bucks, it didn't even put a dent in my rising heating bills from the winter!
On the other hand Obama has got a real good grasp with tax breaks to those that work for it & actually taxing the top 5% who've never paid their fair share in their lives & keeping those same folks the from getting the tax breaks to out source our jobs & again he's up to growing green industries as a new job & revenue source. Let the republicans sit & think about this for a few yrs while it passes US by.

As for immigration, IMHO that's a republican smokescreen, why start now, when they've benifited from immigrants for so long & so much in the past, & reaped handsomely too I might add.

Foreign policy! You've got to be kidding. The present & past policy & it's one McSpends endorses, is War & at the cost of, is it a billion a month it's been a twofold disaster, that's killing the economy & killing ours & their kids. Great job, well done so far. We now borrow from China to pay for a was in the Mid East, that's taking the food off our tables at home, raising the price of everything we ship, truck, train, transport or touch or eat. Meanwhile, the Oil industry is breaking all records in the profit sector, the drug companies are making killer profits that's gonna be the death of US all, education is off the price charts & the health care system is asking US all to bend over so than can do a rectal exam to see what's wrong with our minds for letting the republicans do what they've been doing to US for so long. Forget about SS, you won't be able to retire at this rate, you'll work for your medical conditions & drugs & even if you're as healthy as a hose by whatever the retirement age is by then you'll not be able to survive on your SS check so you'll probably be working till you drop dead & if it happens on the job hopefully OSHA is still in effect & your workers comp is up to date so your kids don't get buried paying the cost to give you closure & hope that you die before an Old Age retirement settlement selltes out of court & lands up with owning your kid's home too as well as their 1st borns.

Immigration and foreign policy! That's not even the tip of the ice berg never mind the top of it! We're so fucked on so many fronts that it's mind boggling to even think of the repair work & the associated costs that's gonna be given to the next suceeding generations. Here comes My children & grandchildren are screwed becasue of the present & recent past republican administrations unless Obama gets in & works some magic, casue it sure ain't gonna happen with more from the same party of assholes.

Here comes the "New Deal" again, the WPA for the 21st century.

Now here we all get in line,
And it's Buddy, can you share a dime
We've had our coffee here before
But the lunch pail's pale this time

No more New Deals for me
Just a job & a future please
Health & Welfare & a sick day
And a bit of coverage for the family

In the 90's I worked overtime
Personnal days plenty vaction time
A living wage & yearly increase
Oh those times they were so sweet

Today's not worth the living
When my back gave all it's giving
And the drugs I need won't feed me
I'd be better off in prison

But I'll pack my pail once more
And I'll head out of the door
And I'll sweat my days away
On this goddam killing floor

And when I'm at my end days
My kids will proudly say
That he tried to feed & cloth' us
But he only worked his life away


Remember the "lunch pail"? It was a symbol of those times.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Amos
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 08:20 PM

Posted Sunday, August 31 2008 at 19:23
"Barack Obama jumped to his biggest lead since late July in public opinion polls, after his speech to more than 75,000 people in a Denver football stadium when he accepted the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.


Obama the man to fulfil Luther King Jr's dream

Republican John McCain showed off his vice presidential running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin in this city, yesterday as Mr Obama's campaign aired a new TV ad urging voters not be distracted by McCain putting a woman on the GOP ticket.

At the same time, their campaign unveiled a 30-second national TV ad that says Mr McCain's selection of Ms Palin should not obscure the fact that Mr McCain candidacy represents a continuation of President Bush 's policies.

"So, while this may be his running mate," an announcer says with a photo of Palin on the screen, "America knows this is McCain's agenda." The visual then switches to a shot of McCain and Bush. "We can't afford four more years of the same."

Mr Obama himself offered a non-committal assessment of Palin during a television interview.

Speaking during a taping of CBS' "60 Minutes," Mr Obama said Ms Palin "Obviously, she's a fine mother and an up and coming public servant" but added "It's too early for me to gauge what kind of running mate she'll be. My sense is that she subscribes to John McCain's agenda."

Meanwhile, how long Mr Obama holds the lead in polls is open to question, as voters react to Mr McCain's surprise selection of Mr Palin for his running mate and Republicans begin their nominating convention tomorrow in St Paul, Minnesota.

Mr Obama leads McCain 49-41 per cent in the most recent Gallup Poll daily tracking survey, which measured voter sentiment during a three-day period ending on August 28."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:47 PM

Specifically, that August Harris poll I linked to shows the number one issue as
The Economy (non specific) 43%
Gas & Oil Prices 15% and Energy 15%
The War 22%
Healthcare 15%

Immigration is down at 6%
and National Security 2%

There is a long list of concerns. It's interesting to see the breakdown.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:37 PM

According to the Harris polls, the US voters consistently rank the economy and energy policy as their top issues.
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=942

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:30 PM

YOU are on, buddy. LOL

I KNEW you'd say that. Hope you're keepin' well, and you are most welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:28 PM

Hmmm. Bet? CDs work for me. (thanks, BTW, if I forgot to say so already)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:22 PM

"Ah, but the public will choose a president based on ability, not hype or sex or race. McCain: 53%, Obama: 42%, Barr 5%"

Well, hate to do this to you, pdq, but here it is: McCain, 45%; Barr, 3% and Obama, 50%.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:17 PM

I think determining what are "the most important issues with the American public", or with any voting public, would be a remarkably difficult thing to do. What people say in response to questions on such matters are no reliable guide.

If anyone asked me a question like that I'd have half a dozen different answers floating around, and it'd be pretty arbitrary which one got picked out as number one.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 07:06 PM

The two most important issues with the American people are immigration and foreign policy, where McCain is way ahead. Obama is considered better on domestic issues and environment, even though Obama can't tell jujifruit from goat shit about the environment.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:41 PM

Ah, but the public will choose a president based on ability, not hype or sex or race. McCain: 53%, Obama: 42%, Barr 5%.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:39 PM

At any rate, I'm sure most people will agree that she'd be much much better than Dubya, if McCain gets elected and gets promoted to glory soon after, and she has to take over

But then, who wouldn't?

A bit of a wild gamble though.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: bobad
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:35 PM

Well, I guess we'll have to wait 'till the elections to see if choosing on the basis of gender versus ability pays off.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 06:16 PM

Sarah Palin was chosen because John McCain had a 10 point gender gap to close. She is not going to help in the northeast where McCain will not do well, but she will not hurt. I wanted to see Liddy Dole, a woman fully capable of being a great president. She is 61 but hubby is in his eighties. She did the right thing to stay home. I also like Colin Powell and Mitt Romney, but addressing the gender gap problem won out.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 04:16 PM

I for one feel quite blessed by the choice. Friday I had to go to the hospital for a procedure which called for general anesthetic, and going home with weird little pains in embarassing areas. But EVERYONE was talking about the Palin selection and this took away a good half of the discomfort and bother by pure diversion.

I'd sure like to know what the people around McCain saw when his head exploded.

Cute cartoon, Ebbie!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 03:22 PM

agree

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 03:16 PM

"He could even end up a rubber stamp President to a Democratic Congress."
And if this is all that happens, it would not be such a bad thing. The Repubs have blocked needed legislation on health care and more, and now maybe we can move forward with what needs to be completed.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 03:00 PM

That's an acute diagnosis, heric. Good one.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:56 PM

"The movie ends with the former beauty queen shaking out her pinned-up hair, taking off her glasses, slipping on ruby red peep-toe platform heels that reveal a pink French-style pedicure, and facing down Vladimir Putin on an island in the Bering Strait. Putting away her breast pump, she points her rifle and informs him frostily that she has some expertise in Russia because it's close to Alaska. 'Back off, Commie dude,' she says. 'I'm a much better shot than Cheney.'"

--------------------

I thught about that JtS and it's understandable, but there is a huge difference between Obama as against Clinton or Reagan. The latter spoke their minds. Clinton wouldn't shut up on intricate policy issues of any magnitude. Obama holds his tongue unless the subject is palatable to the masses.

His smashing of the Clinton machine was impressive, but on the other hand, he was placed together with David Axelrod, genius campaign organizer. He got along with a lot of people to get there. For all of his intellect and poise, leadership hasn't been on his list of strong points, yet. He could even end up a rubber stamp President to a Democratic Congress.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:40 PM

>>> For all of my hesitations about Obama being a super-politician (not as a compliment),

Its funny, that's why I support Obama. He is skilled enough to beat the Republicans and skilled enough to get things done if elected.

Carter, Gore and Kerry, while good men in their own way did not have the skills required to make a real difference.

Super-politicians Reagan and Clinton did. Though, I know consider Reagan's leadership to be something of a disaster, he was able to enact real change.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:38 PM

Republicans "have a tradition of nominating fun, bantamweight cheerleaders from the West, like the previous Miss Congeniality types Dan Quayle and W., and then letting them learn on the job. So they crash into the globe a few times while they're learning to drive, what's the big deal?"
from an op-ed piece by Maureen Dowd click here

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Alice
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:27 PM

Reports on McCain's favored choice, Leiberman: the right wing of the party would not allow it. His choice of Palin, IMHO, shows his rash tendencies. To quote McCain's book of 2002, "Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint." Maybe he can live with the consequences, but as a president, the world has to live with his mistakes made in haste.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:26 PM

>>>Mudcat has already had most of its grownups leave and nasty attacks on Sarah Palin and her children, or on John McCain about plane crashes ain't helping fix the problem.

LOL surely you mean groan-ups LOL

Seriously pdq. She is without a doubt the least qualified person ever to run for one of the two national offices. Her challenge being to get up to speed and learn enough to take over for McCain while campaigning for VP and mothering young children one of whom has special needs. Frankly picking her as VP is a reckless as being responsible for the crashing of three multimillion dollar airplanes. Its worse. No daddy and grand daddy admirals can bail him out of this mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:24 PM

OK, maybe that's not so funny . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Peace
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:22 PM

Stringsinger, these folks influenced a generation of people.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:21 PM

"I think it's easy to see, though, that Sarah Palin will make a better Vice President than Dick Cheney, Dan Quayle, Spiro Agnew, or Dick Nixon."

Joe, you have got to be kidding. This strident lady is anti-choice, anti-science, pro fundamentalist Christian, in favor of drilling in ANWAR, maintaining that abstinence
makes the heart grow fonder, flip-flops on support for Steven's bridge to nowhere,
has not met with McCain enough to have his unqualified endorsement, and speciously
pretends to admire Hillary Clinton although all of her ideologies run counter to what Hillary has advocated. I would say that she might be more useless than Dan Quayle or perhaps more dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 02:17 PM

Yup. Yup. That last paragraph sums it up. For all of my hesitations about Obama being a super-politician (not as a compliment), there is just no choice left now. This opportunism feels as if they are shoving it in our (middle of the road) faces. Like that woman who spoke at the Dem convention "I just can't do it no more." Please make it stop!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 01:46 PM

PDQ writes

" Most Republicans are good people and Sarah Palin is charismatic and charming. She may be a little bit short of George H. W. Bush on qualification for the VP slot, but so was Geraldine Ferraro in 1984. So was Dan Quayle."

This is an appropriate assessment because what we see is Dan Quayle in a dress.
To say that this strident, anti-choice, fundamentalist, anti-science, anti-environment
loud woman is charming is to give the same equivalence to a porcupine after the spines have been hurled.

" In fact, there were "better qualified" people than Calvin Coolege, Harry S. Truman, Walter Mondale, Spiro Agnew, and most VPs throughout US history. The fact that Ronald Reagan chose a "more qualified" man than himself showed his level of self-confidence."

Ronald Reagan chose a more qualified man than himself to do what? His appointments have always been RNC hacks. Some were indicted criminals.

" Same with George W. Bush's choice of Richard Cheney. Please start talking about issues and stop sliming people.'

You can't always separate the people from their behavior. We don't know many of these people on a personal level but we can morally ask if their actions are helpful to our country.

" Mudcat has already had most of its grownups leave and nasty attacks on Sarah Palin and her children, or on John McCain about plane crashes ain't helping fix the problem."

What grownups?

As I see it, the problem is Republicanism. We've had eight long years of torturous
policies by this Administration (and I use torture metaphorically and literally). I see the selection of Palin as a continuation of these policies which have left our country bankrupt, jobs gone away, health care gutted, an occupation of a foreign country based on lies,
and to add insult to injury, her selection is so obviously motivated by political opportunism and not because of qualifications. I would imagine that Romney, Lieberman et. al are stewing over this misstep.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 12:37 PM

to be fair of course she has some supporters

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:12 AM

This is how she looks to rational people

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: SharonA
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 11:00 AM

pdq, it isn't just that Palin is less "qualified" for the office than many of us feel she should be. It's that John McCain's campaign theme has been that Obama is less "qualified" to lead than McCain thinks he should be, yet McCain has chosen someone who is supposed to be ready to step into that leadership role if need be but has less experience in national and international politics than Obama does. Our "hatred" is hatred of hypocrisy.

Our "hatred" is also hatred of McCain's painfully obvious pandering to special interests, and his obvious attempt to woo female voters to his side. The latter is already backfiring here in the swing state of Pennsylvania! I offer an excerpt from this CNN article about yesterday's rally:

WASHINGTON, PA -- "...In just her second appearance on the campaign trail with John McCain, newly-minted GOP running mate Sarah Palin was showered with boos on Saturday [August 30] for attempting to praise Clinton's trail-blazing bid to become the first female president.

"As she did at in her debut speech in Ohio yesterday, Palin appealed to the women in the crowd here in Pennsylvania with a political shout-out to Geraldine Ferraro, who preceded Palin as the first women to be tapped as a vice presidential candidate.

"But in contrast with the mild reception that greeted her comments at the Ohio event, when Palin praised Clinton here for showing 'determination and grace in her presidential campaign,' the Alaska governor was met with a noisy mix of boos, groans and grumbles around the minor league ballpark where the 'Road to the Convention' rally was held."

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:46 AM

How Alaskans Feel about It :)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:36 AM

Well, so granted. Isn't agreement more fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 10:27 AM

If Reagan's choice of a "more qualified" vice president showed his self confidence, I expect that you will grant the same to Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin VP McCain choice
From: pdq
Date: 31 Aug 08 - 04:18 AM

Half the posts on this thread are from people who go to anti-Republican websites and get their daily dose of professionally produced hate. Most Republicans are good people and Sarah Palin is charismatic and charming. She may be a little bit short of George H. W. Bush on qualification for the VP slot, but so was Geraldine Ferraro in 1984. So was Dan Quayle. In fact, there were "better qualified" people than Calvin Coolege, Harry S. Truman, Walter Mondale, Spiro Agnew, and most VPs throughout US history. The fact that Ronald Reagan chose a "more qualified" man than himself showed his level of self-confidence. Same with George W. Bush's choice of Richard Cheney. Please start talking about issues and stop sliming people. Mudcat has already had most of its grownups leave and nasty attacks on Sarah Palin and her children, or on John McCain about plane crashes ain't helping fix the problem.