2005 Getaway Reflections Here...

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Dani
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:55 AM

Count me in! Shower singing is what EVERYONE does best.

When Elizabeth LaPrelle performed at the James Pharmacy here last year, she had the house spellbound, as you can imagine. But what REALLY brought the house down was the doo-wop duet she and her mom did as an encore. It was the icing on the cake!

And, I love the conversation around rap. As with any music/art form, there is garbage, and there is true genius. I remember being captivated by something on the radio that was both extremely smart, and at the same time pretty offensive. The smart part made me want to hear more, and understand more. You might imagine my children's faces when I described the piece to them. "MOM LIKES EMINEM!" Well, not exactly, but there's plenty that's worth exploring if you're willing to step outside your comfort zone and see into the lives of 'others'.

If you can't shift gears, you're destined to crash and burn. In music as in life.

Dani

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 12:52 AM

Well Mary, something odd has happened to me this year, I seem to be having an attack of Getting Organized and have been keeping a file of workshop suggestions for next year's Getaway.

Now, if I can remember to get it to whoever does the program (who, me? work on the program again? no way, she says for maybe the fourth time...) maybe we can actually set up the Guilty Pleasures workshop, which I now remember you mentioned previously. (I can too remember things, as long as either [a] someone reminds me twice, or [b] it's at least 2 days too late to do anything about it.)

Also, Dick Greenhaus said he wants to do Songs from the Shower next year. He said it's the quintessential Getaway workshop.... Well, maybe. It's a darned good idea anyway, and we haven't done it for a long time.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:42 PM

Hell NO! I have the tambourine. You can bang on that silly excuse you have for a drum! Or on Kendall, if you prefer.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:19 PM

Mary - when do we start practising. I can do tamborine accompaniment.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:15 PM

I am forming a Sad Tales Doo Wop list:

Patches
Honey (GAGGGG)
Tell Laura I Love Her
Running Bear
Teen Angel
Take A Message To Mary
Ebony Eyes
Get A Job (Sonnanonnan Sonnanonnanon)
Yakkity Yak
Desiree (sigh...)
Tears On My Pillow
Teardrops (Great Harmonies!)
Teenager In Love
Crying In The Chapel
Tragedy

etc,,,,,,,,,

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 10:11 PM

Kendall, Kendall, Kendall...

What am I gonna do with you???

Yeah, a few years ago I woulda had to agreed wid ya then my son, Will-to-me, Ben-to-you, kinda pulled up my appreciation fir *some* of it...

I'll tell ya what, this summer when he and I performed our rap/blues stuff therer were a lot of folks who ahd never heard any rap they liked that came away with a new perspective... Depends on the artist...

Kinda like story tellin'... Some folks can tell 'um, others can't (but try)... You can tell 'um, Hey, I cna play some decent blues but I couldn't tell no stories... Justin Wilson could tell 'um... Hey, sometimes ya' just have to hear the story told by a story teller...

My son is a rap artist and ain't into talin' 'bout bitches 'er killin' cops...

Ithink if you go back and read what he put together in a very short time to say to us here in Mudville, I think as a stroy teller, ya might come back with just a little, maybe very little, respect fir what he is able to do on the wing...

All about stories...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: kendall
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 08:40 PM

Rap is to poetry what graffiti is to literature.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 07:03 PM

I've got a tambourine with a solid surface......

A sort of bodrine!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Allan C.
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 07:00 PM

I hope that Bobert and everyone else has an opportunity to hear Guy Davis and his son do "Uncle Tom's Dead" from Guy's "Legacy" CD. It is a great blend of blues and rap. You can hear a snatch of it here.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 06:57 PM

I'd be right proud of my boy, Bobert. Or my daughter, as the case would be in my case.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 06:46 PM

Thatnks, Tinker fir the link...

Over at Tweedsblues we've had discussions about the links betweern rap and blues... That's kinda what got me curious about dopin' a song that contained elements of both... So when my rapper son, Will-to-me, Ben-to-everyone-else-in-the-world, came to visit this summer I was determined to see if we could pull it off and mix the two into a single song....

And it worked and folks in downtown Luray, who still ain't used to my foot-stomp hill country Mississippi blues got a lot to think about... But Will did a fine job and had has hands paintin' piccures and all I was tryin' to do was just hold a beat without really playin' nuthin' on the steel bodied resonator and the boy just went into it and then when he was done I used a little trickery to get it back into something 12 bar...

I think just havin' him do kinda a an impromptu improvisonal rap last nmight here in the Catbox was real cool of him since, hey, he is a youngin' and he thinks that we're all old, gray and drivin' Oldmosbiles...

Well, two outta three ain't half bad...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Allan C.
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 06:42 PM

Okay, BG, I'll go for "Cherry Pie" instead.

Oh, and that reminds me...

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 06:34 PM

Damn it! "Patches" is mine! It's already been debuted (with cittern accompaniment) at The Press Room. (And full scholarly introduction.)

;-)

Linn

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 06:30 PM

Mary LaMarca, m'love, I want in that workshop. Want to co lead it?

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 04:55 PM

ooohh..subtle, Giok! It shows a devious mind...of which I heartily approve.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: skarpi
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 04:40 PM

I think I will be the only one who do the folkie woopie de woop?
with a bodhrán .

All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 04:33 PM

Maybe the anti-gospel thing should be called the Don't Wasp to balance out the doo wops?
Giok

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 04:29 PM

*great big grin* ☺ hey, Carole..that's a FINE idea! We used to have a lady come to the Getaway and lead "Anti-Gospel" on Sunday morning.....but the "Don't Wops" (and/or "Waps") has such a ring to it!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: SussexCarole
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 03:18 PM

Sorry Bill D forgot to add you to the group!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: SussexCarole
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 03:12 PM

Being totally naive and not knowing what Doo-Wap is (WHAT! I hear you shriek), I searched our music collection and found a CD called Doo-Wap Volume 1 (Thanks Jerry R).

Next year perhaps Kendall, Giok, Andrew & Me could form a group called the Don't Waps!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Allan C.
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 03:11 PM

Sure SINSULL, if I can do "Patches."

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 02:58 PM

Can I do "Tell Laura I Love Her"??????

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: lamarca
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 02:19 PM

Well, FOO! The message I posted earlier never made it - it must be hovering out in the Ethernet...

"Catter Jerry Rasmussen has written a wonderful song about the Death of Doo-wop and it's on the DT here:

Ten Pound Radio

I would like to renew my proposal for a Getaway workshop (which I of course forgot about while this year's Program Committee was meeting) called "Guilty Pleasures", in which all of use folkies who love rock'n'roll, doo-wop, etc. can sing our favorite non-folk songs in a safe, non-Purist-Snob environment, where I can sing "White Rabbit" or duet with Jeri on Warren Zevon's "Carmelita" without my husband or Bill Day scowling at me...

I know these kinds of songs get sung in the alcoholic haze of late-night songswaps, when you put your brain on auto-pilot and all the lyrics of all those songs you sang along with on the radio come back to you - but wouldn't it be deliciously fun to try to sing them in the Light of Day, in Defiance of the Folk Police who would Censor our Singing?

Come all ye bold folkies
and list' to my song
It's newish and mod
And not very long
You won't find it in Child
Or in Greig or in Peacock
'Twas collected in high school
And is now "Classic Rock"...

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:54 AM

And why would that be Tami??????

(It's not too early to start planning for next year. He he hhe he)

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Tinker
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:53 AM

Now Tami when have you ever heard me participate in a song that was anything less than appropriate.... After all the blues is an old and traditional genre. I wouldn't recommend anything that didn't meet that standard or that I wouldn't sing myself.
See it's perfectly safe.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: ranger1
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 11:22 AM

Uh oh! Tinker is involved in finding songs for KT? Be afraid, very afraid! Oh, wait, as long as SINSULL and jacqui aren't involved, it's probably safe. Please don't use that tape, please...

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 10:45 AM

Well, Jock, I am just rocking back on my round ole heels. I gotta say. I have never been so honored in my whole wuthless life, and that's a fack. Thank you so much! Round-heeled musical tart indeed!! LOL!!!

Tinker, KT has "The Juneau Woman Blues" and I have promised her several other specific blues which might fit her framework of reference; she ain't grabbing at the opportunity yet, though. I promised to send her a demonstration CD of how they might be done.

I am behind on writing them, though, and I believe you are right -- the emphasis on lady's blues is perhaps the key thing to uncover the flaming world-class blues artist behind that deceptive, doe-eyed exterior of kind tranquility.

What do you suggest, as a piece de resistance?


A

PS Beaubear has promised if KT won't do the "Juneau Woman Blues", then he will; but I have reservations about hearing him make some of the assertions in the song....


A

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Tinker
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 10:37 AM

Ahh Bobert seems to me if ya look a this

Roots of Rap

That boy may just be on a continuation of the road you've been walking. Thanks for sharing it.

Okay I confess, I like Do-Wop. It's just plain fun with form and sound. A lot like this thread.

And KT I haven't forgotten, I'm beginning to find us a Lady Blue song list. You just didn't have the right songs to hit your own blue spot... I bet we can find something....BG...

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 09:27 AM

Runaround Who?

Here's my story sad but true, about a plucker I once knew
He took his axe and he played around, with every other kind of sound
He played the blues he played some soul, he some tunes that are very old
But I tell you girls he'll steal your heart, he's just a round heeled musical tart.

A A Amos Jessup
A A Amos Jessup
A A Amos Jessup
With his baritone and his D35
He'll be the last one left alive.


Sorry Amos, just couldn't resist that one, *BG*
Giok

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Janie
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 08:25 AM

Bobert ol' pa, you got reason to be right proud of that youngin'. Thanks, Ben-Will, for creating for us!

Like Opera, I can appreciate the talent and creativity of rap--I just don't enjoy it.

Annie recorded most of the 'Raise the Roof' gospel session and sent me a copy which I got to sample last night. Gave me chills to hear all those wonderful voices raised in full chorus again--to hear the harmonies weave in and out, to picture again the face of whoever was leading a particular song.

The Getaway is pure magic!

Janie

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 07:36 AM

Jeri--that is just priceless (2 Nov 2005 3:40 PM)--and it basically fits the meter too. Maybe a group could work it up and sing it at a concert--the element of surprise would still be there for anybody who hasn't read this thread.

You have a real gift for this--didn't you do one about a plane with Cat Stevens being forced to land in Maine?



"Guest" (Ghost)--

Do-wop--"witless smarmy pap for the masses"--yeah but it's so much FUN when you do it yourself--is it possible that you can't?

And "smarmy" is a bit harsh. "Silly" is a lot closer. It's also fun to sing and not take what you're singing seriously--or do you have no sense of humor?

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Celtaddict
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 01:45 AM

Pauline, I expect you are right. I don't suppose a bodhran would be a good doo-wop enhancer, either.
But I love it that there is some of everything, and especially that there may be some of everything in one after-hours session!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Pauline L
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 01:33 AM

There was some doo wop singing at the Getaway one night, but it was outdoors and people were smoking. Yuk! I couldn't stay. Next year we'll have our doo wop indoors and smoke free. I changed my mind about fiddle harmony with doo wop singing. I tried it tonight and it was not good. I can sing as part of a group but certainly not solo.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:33 PM

Yeah, too cool, especially since 'bout an hour ago I called my son, the Will-to-me, Ben-to-you-all an' told him to step on up an' he come with his stuff, like ain't nuthin' 'bout it... Hey, wait a minute.... I don't drive no Olds-mobile....

Ahhh, you wanta butt whupp here now, youngin??? Just how big a boy is you these days???

Nevermind that las question. I can take you...

Ahhh, what was the question??? Ahhhh, yeah, "carp"...

Well, son, should you bother this way 'gain, be-very-ware of Ebbie... She has taken over for Louid as yer new Godmother and she is danged strick... No more slackin' 'er smokin dope... No sir, it's play in the right key from here out....

...ain't that the blues... 'er raps... 'er carps...

Yer dad,

the Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ferrara
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:21 PM

Will-or-Ben, this has got to be the neatest and most surprising Getaway Reflections thread we've ever had. Almost certainly it's the first time a rap has been written just for a Getaway thread, and -- it's good stuff, too! Thanks.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:15 PM

Shoot, Bruce, the boy can both typ0e right and spell even righter... He was typin' 130 wirds a minute when he was like, ahhhhh, 7 'er 8.... His teachers were sayin' that he couldn't cut it but he could out type and out spell 'um all??? Go figure??? I can't dop either too good and herer the boy has been able to do this stuff fir ever????

Ain't fair....

But hey, I can sho nuff out play him on guitar...

But that's 'bout it....

B~

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:09 PM

sniff!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Peace
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:01 PM

Sorry Bobert. Let me clarify: 'Son, I don't mind the rap, and I don't mind that you like the stuff, but fer gawd's sake don't start writin' like yer ol' man does ON THE THREADS.'

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:48 PM

Hey, Peaceie, I couldn't write stuff like him no more than he could write stuff like me... But I will take at least a little credit fir makin' my emphasis wid da boy just a couple things: 1. Don't beat up yer mom while I at work and 2. Think outta the box...

And thems si about the only two things that I got across to him and both took purdy good and I'm glad on both counts that they did...

Sniff... I'm sure there were more things that I wanted to impart but time run out on us...

Like rebuildin' a carburator...

Sniff...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Peace
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:34 PM

Son, I don't mind the rap, and I don't mind that you like the stuff, but fer gawd's sake don't start writin' like yer ol' man.

My apologies to all, BTW. Didn't realize which thread I was on. Take care, Bobert's son. Best to you.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:26 PM

Hey, I wrote that just for these folks :) I sat down and tapped it out...then I tried to switch back to this window and dag on if I didn't click on a hidden ebay link under the submit button. Twice. And had to rewrite the whole dag on thing. Really made me frustrated, so...things started flowin better by the end.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Peace
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:25 PM

Rap ain't folk, that's true. But it's becoming part of folk. Listen sometime to Dylan's talkin' blues or "Maggie's Farm". Just another form of rap.

Bobert's son: I ain't a fan of rap, but you be doin' better'n OK. Keep at it. It's an art form with which I have no facility, but I have always appreciated reading/listening to folks that are good at what they do. And that you be!

PS I read it three times. Good one.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:20 PM

Like I said, I hate "carp" but the boy certainly has a way with wirds...'

Thankee, Will, you be the "carp" man 'round this joint... No protest....

(An BTW, nice stuff... New???)

Yer ol' man

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:18 PM

That song was from Will, Bobert's son..This is he as well :) Bobert and I did a couple of songs and jammed together with his guitar as accomp...It sounded really good, aside from my need for a less nasaly voice, but not much can be done about that. I just figgered I'd come on here and try to explain things from my point of view and maybe sway some minds. I'm not here to start a fight or anything, but if I can finish an exsisting one that'd be a good.

Peace people, peace.
Will

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:09 PM

[Verse 1]
Rap is poetry, just a regular FORm
The minds of uncommon are where thoughts are BORn
Through the days they change, just like the phrases
Cuz if they didn't, it'd be all hazes
If you want an answer, go check a book
But most young folks won't give a look
Cuz youth is fun or so they say
Why would I want to be old and grey?
My grampa's oldsmobile, is where you'll stay
Cuz sometimes you live in yesterday.

[Chorus]
Three verses,
Two back-ups,
A chorus,
A bridge,
I like using words
Just a smidge

Four beats,
2 sheets,
An old ink pen,
My old man I must defen'

[Verse 2]
Don't drop the N bomb,
If you can help it
And if you can't
You shouldn't yelp it
Respect is what
this is All about
If you got somethin to say
C'mon and shout
If you're mad or sad
Then come take a bout
Don't just sit in your
Room and pout..
Don't bottle it up
Or one day you'll pop
At thanksgiving dinner
Or just at the shop

[Chorus]

[Verse 3]
There's some rules that go
With speakin a rhyme...
Don't lie, don't try
ndd keep with the time
If you follow those rules
you'll be just fine
So c'mon and write
It starts with one line
IF the words just flow
And show you the go
Then you have a gift
To gives others a lift
And when the time comes
that someone says prove it
you get up and grab it
Move it and groove it.

[Ending(speak freely to mic until fade):
So uhh..if you felt like this was good..
Why don't you come up and put a dollah in the bucket?
I ain't afraid to beg..I'm on my hands and knees all day long
Yeah.]

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 09:18 PM

Like whad I say funny now, Eb??? I was tryin' to be real serious...

(ahhhh, yer in serious trouble here, Bobert, when yer spillin' yer guts out and folks is thinkin' is funny....)

Well, okay I mighta have let out a wird 'er two, maybe a comma, heck I don't know...

Tell yaq what, I'z gonna try to get the boy to cvome by and lay some of his rap down on us old foggies and see how folks take it...

Kendall is gonna say it's "carp" an' maybe it's is "carp"... HJey he's the sea guy not me... I wouldn't know a carp from a big goldfish....

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 09:08 PM

looking under rocks? Nope, kendall..at trees!! (yep, Nancy...I never really have to worry at Getaways...someone will be out there keeping the flame of purity burning..☺)

"Isn't folk music the music of people?"....it might be, but then the definition is so broad as to be useless. Folk is a specific area of the peoples music. A search will get you 4,307 paragraphs explaining the nuances *grin* (especially under my name)

(The "people" sang and listened to a LOT of stuff, from Druid Madrigals to City Billy drinkin' songs...gotta tell 'em apart)

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:36 PM

Beaubear, you is a funny man. And I do mean funny ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM

Do op = witless, smarmy pap for the masses.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:30 PM

Actually, being a liberal and all, straight but not narrow as it were, if you want to clutter up your minds with that drivel, be my guest. Bill and I will be off looking under rocks or something.