Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:40 PM Oh yes, there was another young black folk and blues singer and guitarist I heard several times at Hootenannys at the Gaslight Cafe in Greenwich Village. I wonder whatever became of him. His name is Louis Gossett.. :-) Jerry |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Ferrara Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:23 PM My sister had that "There is a Meetin' Here Tonight" album by Joe and Eddie. She had a knack for finding music. ... After she moved to Austin, she became close friends with Alan Damron. I don't think of him as "unknown" or "little known" though. He still performs in the D.C. area, at house concerts, or did until recently. And of course in Austin. Nancy, talk about songs that are so bad they're good, Alan sings my very favorite: "... On the muscle of my arm there's a red and blue tatto, saying Fort Worth, I love you!" I heard Donal Leace at the Cellar Door and other venues in D.C. when I was an undergrad at GWU in DC. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Francy Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:50 PM I had Paul Geremia in concert here in Toledo, Oregon two years ago and had Jim Page last August......Fine perfomances by both......Frank of Toledo |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Bobert Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:46 PM Wsa listening to Chris Smithers CS just today, curmudgeon... Paul Germinio is one heck of a fine sing writer. That song he wrote about "Rex Bob Lowenstein", the DJ who wouldn't sell out his values and played whatever he liked is a good shoyt at ClearChannel... Yer list kinda reminded me of a couple others: Ray Wylie Hubbard & Jim Page... Bobert |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: curmudgeon Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:35 PM I was playing the Boston circuit in the mid to late '60s. Names that come to mind include Paul McNeill, Bill Madison, Kenny Girard, Nancy Michaels, Chris Smither, Bill Staines, Paul Geremia, Paul Lolax, Ted Donlan, Rocky Rockwood, Dan Gravas, Bob White, Alan Rotman, Bill Lyons, Ewan MacVicar, John Cowles, Elliot Kennin, Bill Brown, Ray Clayton, Pam Coulihan. If I have a chance to dig out the old Broadsides of Boston, they might jog my memory a bit more -- Tom Hall |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Deckman Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:18 PM If you will post under your name, I will conribute to your thread. Otherwise, I will NOT. Bob(deckman)Nelson |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Joybell Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:50 PM Hey! True-Love (Greg Hildebrand) will be wanting to add his list of singers from the Boston area in the 60s. He's often wondered where many of them went. Before he wakes up though, I'd like to mention him, because he won't. He was quite popular in a small way, I believe, before he dropped out and began wandering around the world. Joy |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: GUEST,Chanteyranger Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:13 PM For whatever its worth, my last sentence should have read "...or had no ambitions to do so." |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Francy Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:12 PM I was working in New York in 1962 & 63 at the Brass Rail in Times Square, as a broiler cook, and hung out at a bar named Junior's on about 56th Street....Mostly jazz was played there on the pian. I met a young english folk singer there named Matt McGinn. He was a part of the folk 60's....Those were, musically, great days....Frnak of Toledo. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:31 PM Fred Neil: Used to hear him at the Gaslight Cafe in Greenwich Village in the early 60's. That was before he had released any albums. Collectors Choice has reissued all his recorded output on CD, if you're interested. What a voice! And a bass voice, which is only rarely heard on record, except when the bass sings "Why is everbody always pickin' on me?" Jerry |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Tannywheeler Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:19 PM Allen Damron was a local "biggie" in the clubs and coffee houses in Texas Univ. towns in the 1960s. Banjo player named John Clay, also. While I was trying to get through school, even I sang around town here in those years. And there was a guy named Mike something here in Austin during those years. Guitarist, singer, nice guy. Used to sing one with a chorus that started: "Don't let them take the Bible out of our schoolrooms. Don't let them close the door to your child's heart." Saw him on a visit here in the late '70s or the '80s and he said he'd been working on boats on the Mississippi River. Piloting them. Anybody know him or where he might be? Tw |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Cool Beans Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:58 PM The Knob Lick Upper 10,000. A trio (I think) who made a fine album that included "Two Little Boys," "Rocky Mountain Water" and a really nice second guitar harmony line on "Jimmy Brown the Newsboy." |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:47 PM Hey! Great thread. Thanks for all the contributions to those who did. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: PoppaGator Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:13 PM Mention of Bud & Travis on the one hand, and of Len Chandler and Jackie Washington on the other, reminded me of a great and largely-forgotten duo, Joe and Eddie -- two black guys who brought incredible gospel-style vocal harmonies to the early commercial-folk scene. They were moderately successful, recording two or three albums, but their career was suddenly cut short when one of them died young. You should hear their rendition of "There's a Meeting Here Tonight"; tremendously exciting, with little or no instrumental accompaniment, just handclapping and soaring vocals. I think they were a little too far ahead of their time. In the category of "folk-like" singer-songwriters who each made a splash with a hit song or two covered by other artists, how 'bout Tim Hardin and Fred Neil? Both sang their own songs better than anyone else did, and both deserve to be remembered more widely than they are. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: GUEST,Chanteyranger Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:52 PM I wouldn't put Sandy Bull in the unknown category, as he was a recording artist on the Vanguard label. Not a household name, that's for sure, but known to those who bought folk music albums in the 60's. What about Ted Alevizos, who appeared on an obscure regional 1950's recording w/ the young and not yet famous Joan Baez; "Folksingers 'Round Harvard Square." A reissue of that album was distributed in the 70's. Anyone know what became of him? Instead of names like Bud and Travis, Sandy Bull, etc. my reading of Guest's question is more about local/regional favorites that, though very talented, never made it onto a national label, or had ambitions to do so (such as who Jerry Rasmussen posted about). Chanteyranger Chanteyranger |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Cool Beans Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:25 PM Bob Grossman. Originally from Los Angeles. Recorded an album for Elektra around 1963, and was featured on an Elektra folk sampler with Judy Collins, Theo Bikel and the Limeliters. The good news: He's alive and well and, as Robert Grossman, has been a stage actor many years, doing a lot of work in Detroit and a few other cities. Better news: He has recorded another CD, only 40 years later. It's tremendous. Whether he'll release it is another question, as is whether he'd want me to say anything more about it. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: ThreeSheds Date: 04 Nov 04 - 11:53 AM How come no one has mentioned the great Rambling Sid Rumpo ,famous as you may well recall for his moolies and scruttocks |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: fretless Date: 04 Nov 04 - 11:46 AM I'd second Dave on Sandy Bull and Jerry on Allan Block. Both great musicians. And from the Village in the early 60s add John Winn and Barry Kornfeld to the little known but worthy list. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Chris in Wheaton Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:39 AM Barbara Dane Will Holt Jo Mapes - who told Odetta about folk music Alan Arkin - heard his son is doing well Ian Buchanan - who taught Jorma K how to fingerpick Johnny Herald and the Greenbriar Boys I used to go to the Elektra bin, then Folkways, not much else back then. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:20 AM and Susan Reed, though well known in the 40s-50s disappeared from public notice, just before the folk 'boom' hit. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:19 AM In Cleveland there was a great perfomer named Tedd Browne who was shot and killed in Cleveland Heights on the way home from a gig. He recorded two albums that I dig out and play on my show every year, great voice, sadly missed. Andy Cohen is known by some, but should be better known by all, for many years in Kent Ohio, now in Memphis, Tenn. and happier than ever, I hope. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:47 AM Albion Doo Wa Is a great album... still have mine in mint condition. Jerry |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:23 AM I agree Bud & Travis aren't "unknown" . I.e. even I have heard of them (& got one of their CDs). RtS |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: GUEST Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:39 AM Shh! Look behind you - Do you mean this Bruce Murdoch? |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Bobert Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:51 AM Nancy King, I remember the Cellar Door real well. I loved that place. So intimate. And being pretty much et the DC end of Key Bridge, easy to get to. Speaking of Paul SiebelI saw him there. Also saw Leo Kotkee, Richie Havens, Goose Creek Sympony and Joan Biaz there... Some fine memories... Bobert |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: 42 Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:12 AM reading this thread made me go and pull out Albion Do Wa - Cat Mother and the All Night Newsboys's album - before they changed their name. What a great sound! Makes me happy I had and still have a high quality turntable! j |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Pete Jennings Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:05 AM Dave "Buck" Polley. Big mate of Alex Campbell, they used to do gigs together and take along the young Anne Briggs and Bert Jansch so they could get floor spots. A heroin addict, he OD'd on a mixture of morphine and cocaine and died 20 June 1964. Bert wrote "Needle of Death" for him. Pete |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Mike Regenstreif Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:04 AM Bruce Murdoch was a great singer-songwriter from here in Montreal. At 17, he was anthologized with Richard Farina, Patrick Sky and David Cohen (David Blue)on the Singer-Songwriter Project LP. He later made a couple of other LPs. Bruce quit the music biz around 25 years ago, moved out to Alberta and became a high school teacher. He's someone I really miss. Mike Regenstreif |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: breezy Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:24 AM Bryant would make soemone a wonderful wife. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: breezy Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:23 AM I'm little but I've heard your not |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Dave Bryant Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:58 AM The only trouble with hibernating creatures is that they tend to re-emerge just when you've assumed that they're not around anymore. :-) Breezy, I bet if someone started a thread on venereal disease, you'd find a way of self-advertising on it ! |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: breezy Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:18 AM Over here in the U K theres a guy playing at the Staines folk club at the 3 Tuns on Monday 8th Nov who was around then but went into carreer hibernation from folk |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: NH Dave Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:34 AM Howie Mitchell - builder and player of plucked and hammered dulcimers. His books on building and playing these instruments were published by Folk Legacy, and were available with a record or cassette. They'd be even better with a CD - broad hint to Sandy Paton to republish these books and music combos. Sandy Bull, a New Yorker who decided to learn to play the bagpipes by buying a set and practicing until he drove us all round the bend. He also played guitar and banjo, learned from Pete Seeger, if I remember correctly. Doing a little checking via Google I just learned that he had several "World Music" records/CDs out, and only recently passed away, in 2001. Dave |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: chris nightbird childs Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:18 AM Hey, I've heard of him 12-stringer. He was a friend of Dylan's was he not? |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: 12-stringer Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:12 AM Mark Spoelstra. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Nancy King Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:20 AM In the Georgetown area of Washington DC, there was a nice venue called The Cellar Door, which regularly featured a fine guitarist and singer named Donal Leace (he played other places too, but that's where I remember him from). Very good material, and just about the nicest guy you'd ever hope to meet. I was very pleased to see him again for the first time in many years this past June at the Washington Folk Festival. New material, but the same gentle appeal. Nancy |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Francy Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:54 PM Yes, remember Art Traum well...And also his brother Happy....... |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Bobert Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:42 PM Yeah, I heard the same thing about Paul Siebel. I loved the guy and still, on ocassion, will perfrom his "Legend of the Captain's Daughter"... BTW, he aslo wrote "Louise" that lots of folks know from Leop Koktee. Ahhhh, how about the Pozo-Seco Singers with Don Williams. I don't remember the "Inn Group", Padre, from Richomnd in the 60's but I was a tad busy with rock 'n roll and missed a lot of folks acts. There were a few other folks doing some folk music back then. Like Bob Martin. Anyone remember him? He's still playing somewhere. Art Traum? And of course, Loudoun Wainwright. (Opps, too big a name. Sorry). Bobert |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: iamjohnne Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:42 PM Chuck Mitchell, ex-husband of Joni. From Detroit, but I heard him in Coconut Gove FL back in the late sixties. Also Ron Kickasola, played Celtic folk tunes. Of course there was Michael Smith too, but he has made quite a name for himself. My good friend Vince Martin. Played in the Village and also down in Coconut Grove. Vinny had a major hit, "Cindy O Cindy" back in the late fifties. Vinny did an outstanding version of Travis Edmonson's "I'm a Drifter". Yeah that is Travis of "Bud and Travis" |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Francy Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:04 PM The last I heard of Paul Siebel, he had quit music and was living in Baltimore, Md........Working in a bakery......Fred Starner is now living in Los Angeles and plays banjo and sings ala Pete Seeger..... Frank of Toledo |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:59 PM YES. Paul was fantastic. He was a wonderful guitar players, singer and songwriter. Very humble guy, and he didn't need to be. Loved his work. He influenced many up and comings, and he had a great talent with audiences. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: GUEST Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:55 PM How about Paul Siebel...........Anyone remember Fred Starner?...... and so many others.............Frank of Toledo |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:44 PM Len once had a talk with me about being black--his blackness, not mine--and he opened a world for me. He was very forceful, but inside there was the guy who wrote "To Be a Man", and in there was a very kind heart. He explained what a thumb pick was to me--I'd never seen one before--and talked to me about what it meant to write songs. He was a good man, and he also critiqued my stage performance at Gerde's Folk City, much to my benefit. Thanks for the reminder, Jerry. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:36 PM Len Chandler. A real rarity... a black folk singer in the 60's... it was pretty much him and Jackie Washington. Len had a unique approach to getting people to sing along. If you weren't singing along he'd leave the stage and come over to your table in a threatening way and make you sing, Damn it! Many white visitors to Greenwich Village felt uncomfortable around black folks to begin with, and an assertive black musician was downright intimidating. Actually, Len was a real good natured, friendly guy. It was more of a stage presence at the time, and a game, if anything. Jay Unger was also in Cat Mother and The Allnight Newsboys, as you probably remember, brucie. If he hadn't written Ashokan Farewell, he probably would have faded into oblivion. Add Allan Block to the list... one of the most enjoyable singers and fiddle players I ever had the pleasure of listening to. Totally unpretentious, too. He played music for the right reason. Jerry |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Deckman Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:09 PM As Alaska Mike said .... "Bud and Travis!" Superb. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Padre Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:23 PM In Charlottesville and Richmond VA there was a quartet called the 'Inn Group' who played for about 3 years before one member entered the military. They had a left-handed banjo player named tom Mayes who was really good. Padre |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:21 PM Yeah, Jerry, you knew him. Who else from that crew? Any names come to mind? Bert Mason--played ala Richie Havens. In fact, Richie may have been influenced by Mason's playing style. Last saw Bert in Montreal in about 1975. Heckuva live performer. He always made good baskets. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:18 PM Charlie Chin was also a member of Catmother And The Allnight Newsboys. Jerry |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Peace Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:49 PM Charlie Chin. He was a banjo player/singer (five string) who did many of his performances at The Four Winds. Sean Gagnier. He worked the basket houses and wrote his songs. Sean moved to Montreal and much later--after the death of his wife Marsha--returned to the USA. Sean passed away two years ago. |
Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers From: Alaska Mike Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:24 PM There was a duo called Bud and Travis that were remarkably good back in the late 50's early 60's. They put out half a dozen albums and toured the country for a several years. Their sound was copied by the Kingston Trio and many of the other folk era groups. Although there are still many folks who knew oof them, I don't believe they received the recognition they deserved. I still have some of their recordings and still find them great to listen to today. Mike |
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