BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 02:47 AM

"Christ, but how can you bear to be such a boring old fart!"
Because I don't like fascists and ethnic cleansing - I don't like peole who use this forum being used for delivering messages supporting ethnic cleansing and I certainly have no time for spineless creeps who lurk behind the scenes egging on the morons.
Boring it is I'm afraid Mike.
Extreme racist sites - Support for arming Assad - now support for an open policy of ethnic cleansing.
How can you support these fascist creeps
"As Jane Austen put it"
Cliché - moi?
Pompous little Thatcherite/Pinocheist pratt
Happy Bedouins
It used to be "Arbeit Macht Frei" - now it's the Prawer bill
Your trio seem to have gone the whole five yards
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4459635,00.html
Yup - I'd rather be boring.
Checkmate, I think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 03:01 AM

"Extreme racist sites -"
LIE
"Support for arming Assad -"
LIE
"now support for an open policy of ethnic cleansing"
LIE

From your link Jim.
"The Bedouin resettlement authority said, "The plan is groundbreaking and for the most part legalizes current residences with the creation of rural settlement models, in accordance with the needs of the Bedouin sector." It added that the plan includes economic development, infrastructure, education and employment solutions."

But then, it never happened did it Jim?
"The Prawer Plan called for Israel to officially recognize and register the vast majority of Bedouin settlements throughout the south, and compensate the residents of 35 unrecognized villages — some 30,000 to 40,000 people — who were to be moved off state-owned land into towns built for them.

"Several days ago, the chairman of the Knesset coalition announced that there is not a majority supporting the bill in its present form," Begin said, and indicated that there was a movement afoot to change the bill.

Begin told the assembled reporters that the efforts to "introduce far-reaching changes in the government's formulation" led him to call for its shelving.

"Since the bill reached the Knesset," he said, "all sorts of interest groups have gotten involved, trying to take advantage of the plight of the Negev Bedouin in order to achieve political gain."

"We must not allow a hostile takeover of the bill. We must not allow its kidnapping and its distortion," he said."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 03:42 AM

"Because I don't like fascists and ethnic cleansing - I don't like peole who use this forum being used for delivering messages supporting ethnic cleansing"
.,,.,.
Oh deary-weary-me. You don't like it? Ah diddums den! And who's supposed to lose sleep or give a fluttering-uno-wot over what the great James Carroll doesn't happen to like, then? God, what insufferable conceit, to think we all care what the monster-〠-ed Carroll "likes"! Well, I don't happen to like self-righteous predictably doctrinaire verbose little prigs; but I refrain from proclaiming the fact incessantly to the extent of hijacking threads even on topics where not germane [see Xtn Persectn], to the acute boredom of the entire population, you egocentric little personage you. We've all got the message now as to what a right place your gigantically
everybody·except·those·who·won't·take·you·at·yr·own·inflated·ultraconceited·valuation-loving

♥ is. So why not just shut up for just a millisecond & give us all a rest from what the ineffable Carroll J doesn't happen to like, before we all perish in a pestilence of extremest ennui.

Conceited, selfrighteous egocentric selfregarding little prig!

Shazam! Vanish! Avaunt! Off-piss!

~M.the.Gdn·☤~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 03:48 AM

Found you very helpful & interesting on the Paddy West thread, mind...

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 04:34 AM

Yep - expected a non- response Mike
I once hoped that you wouldn't allow this moron to drag you down to his level - it seems you were probably there first
You really should be ashamed of yourself
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 04:56 AM

It would appear that the Israeli Government have now withdrawn The Prawer plan - the bill you are all vigorously supporting
The Knesset has probably been infiltrated by Anti-Semites
What a shower of clowns you three morons are - good entertainment value though.
You really should do something about that lapse into second-childhood Mike - it gets a little embarrassing to see one of our better-educated behaving like a child
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 05:11 AM

☞〠☜

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 05:23 AM

Hohohohoho ————


can there be a more delightful sound in the entire Universe

than the

ineffectual grinding of the Carrollian dentures!!!


teeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee.............................

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 08:10 AM

"ineffectual grinding of the Carrollian dentures!!!"

Hahaha....good one, thanks for the laugh Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 08:57 AM

Have you decided who's Curley, Larry or Moe yet?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 11:09 AM

Oh look at the bitter little man's attempt at humour. I suggest that he stick with what he is good at, you know; name calling, invective, lies, hate, bigotry etc......his stock-in-trade.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 11:32 AM

"I suggest that he stick with what he is good at, you know"
I do and have managed to pull you thre morens out of your closet - fascist pricks
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 11:44 AM

"you thre morens" hahaha!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 05:53 PM

'fascist pricks
Jim Carroll'
.,,.

Ooh, dear. Hope it didn't hurt too much & he didn't bleed excessive...

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 01:50 AM

Those fascists can be sooooooo sharp!
Did you feel a big prick Jim, or just a little one?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 04:24 AM

Game over with you morons Keith
Israel once again has attempted to introduce ethnic cleansing laws onto their statute books and for the second time, has been forced to withdraw them due to world-wide outrage and U.N. pressure - even the U.S. refused to cross the line this time
You supported their proposals and have not just been left with egg on your face, but are now totally egg-bound.
You fascist tendencies have been obvious for a long time now:
Your defending the use of chemical sprays and water cannon on Bedouin settlements
Your supporting the moving of Bedouin communities onto toxic sites.
Your defence of Israel's part in the massacre of thousands of unarmed refugees - men women and children alike   
Your support for wartime Fascism at the time the Jews were being herded into extermination camps by describing their viciously Anti-Semitic outpourings and their moves to form a provisional Government "when Herr Hitler wins" as "harmless"   
Your describing Pakistanis as implanted potential perverts
Your support for Assad by proposing that he be supplied with riot equipment to neutalise opposition to his regime and herd the ringleaders into his torture chambers.
Your defending the selling of sniper bullets probably used to traine the Homs snipers and chemicals that were almost certainly helpful to his building up his massive chemical weapon stockpile.
Your openly supporting the outpourings of an extremist racist site without either examining it or explaining your support except "I remember the church attack" - nothing more substantial than that to justify 1,000 claims by these scum.
Your support for the Dale Farm evictions, your denial of researched evidence of the no-Traveller signs, your suggestion that Governments are entitled to move Travellers about like chess pieces
Plenty more - but that'll do for now.
All this is a matter of Mudcat record, but please, please, please deny anything or all of it again and give me an opportunity to put it up again.
You are a sad-sick individual, Boo-Boo is a little clown only good for light relief.
I have to admit, I really don't understand Mike's part in all this.
Both he and I have a passion for and have been involved in folk-song for large parts of our lives.
Both of us are fully aware of the contribution Travellers have made to out enjoyment and understanding of those songs - Jeannie Roberts, The Stewarts, Duncan Williamson, Johnny Doran, John Doherty, Phoebe, Jasper and Levi Smith - all of those wonderful people who gave us our songs and music.   
In the thirty odd years Pat and I worked with Travellers, we were told hundreds of times of the treatment they received at the hands of the uncaring and antagonistic British and Irish establishments - their being treated as non-people, as sub humans, harassed and persecuted.
In spite of all this, on the topic of Israel's attempting to ghettoise entire ethnic Travelling communities (and finally being forced to abandon those attempts by world pressure) Mike chooses to once again join you in your sordid and vicious campaigns.
I neither understands how he reconciles that support, either from a musical point of view or a personal one
Ah well
We really have nothing to say to each other about anything Mike
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 04:43 AM

All lies Jim.
You can not challenge what I really say.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 04:48 AM

"And we'll Fight the Blacks and Muslims with a bank of denials"
Working on the rest of the song
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 04:48 AM

"And we'll Fight the Blacks and Muslims with a bank of denials"
Working on the rest of the song
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:54 AM

I don't see why we shouldn't still exchange musical views, Jim; I retain my respect for you in that particular, most certainly. But I agree that politically & ideologically we start from such different preconceptions & premises that trying to communicate on topics concerning these is only likely to exacerbate hostility, and probably best left. We each know pretty well what the other thinks by now, and our discourse is just getting more & more disagreeably & predictably contentious.

Good wishes notwithstanding...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:55 AM

Try to be rational for a moment Jim.
Why would I post all those things and then deny them?
Why would anyone?

I defend everything I post, but I have never posted the shit you always accuse me of when a thread goes against you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 08:15 AM

Jordanian sheikh: Allah gave the land of Israel to the Jews
Al Quds and other Arab media outlets published this amazing article this weekend:

    Sheikh Ahmad Adwan, who introduces himself as a Muslim scholar who lives in Jordan, said on his personal Facebook page that there is no such thing as "Palestine" in the Koran. Allah has assigned the Holy Land to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment (Koran, Sura 5 – "The Sura of the Table", Verse 21), and "We made the Children of Israel the inheritors (of the land)" (Koran, Sura 26 – "The Sura of the Poets", Verse 59).

    "I say to those who distort their Lord's book, the Koran: From where did you bring the name Palestine, you liars, you accursed, when Allah has already named it "The Holy Land" and bequeathed it to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment. There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in the Koran. Your demand for the Land of Israel is a falsehood and it constitutes an attack on the Koran, on the Jews and their land. Therefore you won't succeed, and Allah will fail you and humiliate you, because Allah is the one who will protect them (i.e. the Jews)."

    The sheikh added: "The Palestinians are the killers of children, the elderly and women. They attack the Jews and then they use those (children, the elderly and women) as human shields and hide behind them, without mercy for their children as if they weren't their own children, in order to tell the public opinion that the Jews intended to kill them. This is exactly what I saw with my own two eyes in the 70's, when they attacked the Jordanian army, which sheltered and protected them. Instead of thanking it (the Jordanian army), they brought their children forward to (face) the Jordanian army, in order to make the world believe that the army kills their children. This is their habit and custom, their viciousness, their having hearts of stones towards their children, and their lying to public opinion, in order to get its support."

    It is worth mentioning, that the above mentioned sheikh visited Israel and met Jewish religious scholars. The "Israel in Arabic" site conducted an interview with him, in which he said that the reason for his openness towards the Jewish people "comes from my acknowledgment of their sovereignty on their land and my belief in the Koran, which told us and emphasized this in many places, like His (Allah's) saying "Oh People (i.e the Children of Israel), enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned unto you" (Koran, Sura 5 – "The Sura of the Table", Verse 21), and His saying "We made the Children of Israel the inheritors (of the land)" (Koran, Sura 26 – "The Sura of the Poets", Verse 59) and many other verses.

    He (Adwan) added: "(The Jews) are peaceful people who love peace, who are not hostile and are not aggressors, but if they are attacked, they defend themselves while causing as little damage to the attackers as possible. It is an honor for them that Allah has chosen them over the worlds – meaning over the people and the Jinns until the Day of Judgment. I made the reasons for Allah's choice clear in my books and pamphlets. When Allah chose them, He didn't do so out of politeness, and He wasn't unjust other peoples, it is just that they (the Jews) deserved this."

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 10:00 AM

" I retain my respect for you in that particular, most certainly"
For the reasons I have said Mike - thirty years of work with Travellers gave me a close enough view of how bigoted attitudes like Keith's have affected their lives, some we never spoke to in depth, Like Jeannie and the Stewarts, have confirmed our own experiences - they have all commented on it publicly at one time or another - you must have heard the radio ballad.
In supporting Keith (quite stridently) you have, as far as I am concerned, sold out all those people.
Keith is an extreme bigot on Travellers as well as on other matters - he has your support, good enough for me.
I had nothing to say to you on politics, now I have nothing to say to you on music, which saddens me.
"Why would I post all those things and then deny them?"
Because that's what you do interminably
Yours statements on British fascists is a matter of record
Your statement about implants is a matter of record
Your support for supplying Assad with sniper bullets, riot equipment and chemicals is not only a matter of record, but you have reiterated it and confirmed your support for it within the last month
Your support for a racist site is a matter of recent record
Your support for Israeli ethnic cleansing is a matter of record on this thread.
You opened a thread to deny the existence of No Traveller signs and continue to do so despite our personal experience (as recent as last year) and the mountain of official evidence from groups like The Runnymede Trust and the high-ranking Government Civil Servant who documented Gypsy persecution, Sir Angus Fraser - you continue to make those claims on the basis that you and a handful of others "have never seen one".
Your legendary efforts to defend Israeli support for the mass murder of refugees is a matter of record.
Your defence of the use of chemicals on Palestinians and on Bedouins is a matter of record.
Your support for allowing Governments to move people about like chess-pieces can be found withing a handful of posting up this thread.
Your defence of Israel moving Bedouins onto a toxic rubbish dump is a matter of record.
Have I missed anything - if not, I'll go and dig up some more if you wish?
Now exactly what have I led about?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 10:34 AM

Jim, if I had expressed views like that, a man like Michael would have nothing to do with me.

Try to be rational for a moment Jim.
Why would I post all those things and then deny them?
Why would anyone?

I defend everything I post, but I have never posted the shit you always accuse me of when a thread goes against you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Stringsinger
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:06 AM

The problem always lies with people who see things in black and white and Manichaean
narrow thinking. There are atrocities on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, violence emanating from both quarters, jingoism and epithets, "my way or the highway" thinking and so-called factual data coming from editorials rather than honest reporting.

The fuel to the conflict is being lit by Fundamentalist Christians who are under the delusion that their god wants Israel to survive so it can be destroyed later by the return of a despotic Jesus who will annhilalate Jews if they don't convert, all this written in an absurd text called the King James bible, notably Revelations.

BDS attempts to interject rational behavior not by wanting to destroy Israel but to bring some sense to this country before it destroys itself.

Many rational Jews understand this and are critical of Netanyahu's paranoia and heavy handed dictatorial policies.

His insistence on expansionism through the settlers encroachment onto Palestinian land can only bring about condemnation from the world especially by those who value human rights.

However, BDS attempts to heal the breach by non-violence, always distorted by the media and religious fanatics as somehow the opposite of what it really is, and bolstered by misinformation.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:48 AM

"Jim, if I had expressed views like that, a man like Michael would have nothing to do with me."
Which of these to you claim you not expressed and I'll try to jog your memory
Always happy to oblige
"I defend everything I post"
Course you do and I'm delighted that you do - all helps with the CV
I hope Mike is as happy at being implicated in your disgusting statements as I am disgusted that you should attempt to use him in the way you are
"I have never posted the shit you always accuse me of when a thread goes against you."
and you always make the same claim - you have just had your arse put in a sling by Israel's abandoning its ethnic cleansing intentions - how am I losing this argument?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 01:57 PM

Jim, it was me who told you that the democratic process in Israel, unique in that region, had chosen not to instigate the plan.
As you know and often tell us, Israel takes no notice of outside opinion and especially not the UN with its built in anti-Israel bias.

Re. my views, if I had ever expressed views like that, a man like Michael would have nothing to do with me.
I would have nothing to do with me!

Try to be rational for a moment Jim.
Why would I post all those things and then deny them?
Why would anyone?

I defend everything I post, but I have never posted that shit you always accuse me of when a thread goes against you.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 04:14 PM

"Try to be rational for a moment Jim."
No Keith - you be rational
You have posted every single opinion and more on that list - at least once - half of them you have confirmed over the last few months, several on this and other threads currently running
On the number of occasioned I have pasted one in front of you you have abandoned your denial and confirmed that you stick top your opinion - an utterly farcical example being your denial (as here) of your supporting supplying Assad with riot control equipment - you then went off and dug up an obscure Australian pacifists site to confirm that yor claim was valid because they (supposedly) agreed with you PLEASE STOP MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF BY DENYING EASILY RETRIEVABLE STATEMENTS YOU HAVE MADE - AND PLEASE STOP ATTEMPTING TO IMPLICATE A FRIEND WHO HAS SHOWN YOU NOTHING BUT KINDNESS AND SUPPORT FOR YOUR EVIL RANTINGS WHEN THE REST OF US KNOW YOU TO BE AN UTTER SHIT - IT'S DISGUSTING AND DEGRADING TO BOTH OF YOU
You really are the pits
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 05:08 PM

Meet Anett Haskia, Israeli Arab and proud Zionist: Israel is freedom!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 01:56 AM

Jim, it would be "utterly farcical" to promote a view and then deny it.
I don't.
I defend what I do say and rubbish your claims that I have entirely different views to those I express.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 03:22 AM

Piss off Keith - your case is dead in the water (Israel just made sure of that) and all the denials in the world won't remove what you have written and have had presented back to you over and over and over.... again
Learn to live with it - it will come back to bite your bum as long as you continue to dominate this forum with your bigotry and racism if I have anything to do with it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 13 Feb 14 - 08:53 AM

"Inequality is a fact of life here, and this, too, is visible in the garbage—particularly in the uncollected garbage on the streets of some Arab neighborhoods, which also tend to lack sidewalks and parks. But in recent years life in Jerusalem has been getting not worse but slowly, markedly better. New infrastructure projects like a light-rail line serving Jewish and Arab neighborhoods and a bike and pedestrian path running a few miles through other Jewish and Arab neighborhoods are leading to more mixing in public spaces. State-funded health care in Arab neighborhoods is improving. One hears more Arabic than ever spoken in predominantly Jewish commercial areas. More Arab residents are requesting Israeli citizenship and taking the Israeli high-school matriculation exams. Jews and Arabs are not friendly with each other, as a rule, but there are many thousands of interactions between them each day, and nearly all of them are uneventful.

What we have here is not peace but peacefulness—a budding, breakable, imperfect coexistence obvious to anyone sensitive to the pulse of the city. It reflects a broader phenomenon in Israel: According to a poll published last month by Ha'aretz, when Arab Israelis were asked if they were "generally satisfied" with their lives in Israel, 79 percent said yes. That is not an uncomplicated "yes," but neither is that statistic insignificant."

Tablet

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 05:41 PM

"A majority of Israelis and Palestinians, 63 percent and 53%, respectively, support a two-state solution, according to a survey released on Tuesday." - 1st of Jan 2014

http://www.geneva-accord.org/mainmenu/hebrew-u-survey-finds-most-israelis-and-palestinians-support-two-state-solution

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 12:14 PM

There are those in the Zionist community who have gone on record in the media by stating that they are better than their Palestinian neighbors and hence have a right to dominate them by whatever means. This is analogous to the white racism of South Africa, a Christian orientation that made the same claim about African people and turned them into second or third class citizens.

A two-state solution would work unless it became "bantustans" for Palestinians propagating the warped Zionist "master race" notion.

A better solution for Israel is to become a true democracy, perhaps socialist democracy, wherein Zionists and Palestinians would have equal polity, but as long as there are some Zionists who, through Christian fundamentalist support, pour cold water on this idea saying that it is "impossible', a faith-based notion on their part, chances for Mid-East peace is actually impossible.

The US is not an honest broker in peace negotiations which are dominated by figures who adhere to Christian doctrine and biblical prophecy about Jewish people.


Zionist expansionism and denying the "right of return" is a dead-end street for Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 01:28 PM

Every country has a few fanatical racists.
Why, in your first sentence, single out Israel?

A better solution for Israel is to become a true democracy, perhaps socialist democracy, wherein Zionists and Palestinians would have equal polity,

I do not know what a "socialist democracy" is, but Israel is already a "true democracy" where all, Jew or Arab, have equal rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 01:48 PM

Israel is already a "true democracy" where all, Jew or Arab, have equal rights.


BWAA haa ha ha hahahaha

Guess the Palestinians aren't Arabs in your book then, eh Keith?

Now, I suppose "all historians" support your skewed view of reality, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 01:54 PM

All, Jews or Arabs, Palestinian or not, have equal rights in Israel.
Denying that makes you wrong again Greg.
BWAA haa ha ha hahahaha!

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 02:16 PM

Keith, The actual situation on the ground and reality (which I realize is not your strong suit) put the lie to your bullshit.

Rave on.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:00 AM

Greg, the actual situation on the ground is equal rights enshrined in law.
You were wrong again.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 08:09 AM

"Keith, The actual situation on the ground and reality (which I realize is not your strong suit) put the lie to your bullshit."

Kind of like most everywhere else in the world, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 12:17 PM

And that makes it OK for whatever the Israeli Govt. cares to do, right BooBad?

But thanks for agreeing that Keith's contention is universal bullshit.

the actual situation on the ground is equal rights enshrined in law.

Gee, Keith, as only one example of thousands worldwide across the centuries (milennia?)- the U.S. Civil Rights Act was passed in 1866 & the 14th Ammendment to the Constitution in 1868.

Idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 12:59 PM

Right or wrong this is the unfortunate reality in most of the world today. Singling out one country is bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:05 PM

Singling out one country is bigotry.

No-one here is doing that except you & Keith- singling out one counmtry to absolve, no matter what they do.

Hi, bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:50 PM

Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law
Arabs in Israel can vote for whoever they want
Arabs in Israel can worship freely
Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis
Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government

Israeli society gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens. Israeli Arabs and Muslims have the right to vote and to hold public office, like every other Israeli citizen. Nearly one-10th of the Knesset, Israel's parliament, is Arab; there is a mosque in the Knesset building for those who are Muslim. One of the justices of Israel's Supreme Court is an Arab Muslim; so is a minister in the Israeli cabinet. Arabs are active in Israeli commerce, media, education, and law.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 05:07 PM

Keep goin' idiot- you're on a roll. Or, re-read my post this time for comprehension.

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 05:08 PM

Yet in spite of all that Keith there are posters here who call Israel an apartheid state and compare it to Nazi Germany, why do you think they do that?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 06:15 PM

...who call Israel an apartheid state ... why do you think they do that?

'Cause its true, perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 18 Feb 14 - 08:07 AM

10 Images of Jewish-Muslim Unity that go Beyond the Headlines

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 07:34 AM

"Personally, Israel's kindness to Syrian refugees has demonstrated to me that Syrians and Israelis need not be adversaries in the future, that there is space and possibility for an accommodation on even the most seemingly intractable of issues. There is goodwill and humanity on the Israeli side, despite everything I have been taught to believe during my life."

"Some Syrians, and indeed Arabs, are of the opinion that one cannot reconcile even to the slightest degree with Israel and hope to remain loyal to our Palestinian brethren and their aspirations. Frankly, it would not be unfair to say that this sort of hard line stance is most popular among those who have in reality done crap-all in a practical sense for our Palestinian brethren."

"When the war in Syria is over, one of the things that I as a (hopefully) former refugee would want to see addressed, is the disgraceful treatment of our Palestinian brothers and sisters in the Arab world. If it is solidarity with Palestinians that certain Arabs seek, then nothing can improve the Palestinians' situation more quickly than by granting them the right to work, study, travel and private property ownership in the Arab countries they currently reside in.

"Because frankly, I doubt there is a single Palestinian in the Levant or North Africa who wouldn't swap places with an Arab-Israeli in a heart beat."

There is goodwill and humanity on the Israeli side

Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 06 Mar 14 - 05:08 PM

It is initiatives like that of Ira Weiss, tireless advocate for peace between Jews and Palestinians, that give me hope:

"I feel less pessimistic today. Yesterday I took Shireen and Ophir to the National Zoo to see the pandas. Shireen and Ophir are 13 year old girls who are visiting Washington this week. Shireen lives in Jericho, Palestine. Ophir lives in Kiryat Gat, Israel. While spending the day with, them it was impossible not to notice how they have bonded to one another with that powerful emotional glue that only thirteen-year-old girls share. Shireen and Ophir play soccer together in a program sponsored by the Perez Center for Peace. The opportunity to play soccer together allowed them not merely to overcome the fear and hostility they had towards the other while she was still nameless, but to become fast friends, even though they cannot to talk to one another. Shireen understands and speaks only Arabic. Ophir understands and speaks only Hebrew and English.

It is not possible to remain cynical about peace between Israelis and Palestinians when you visit the National Zoo with kids like Shireen and Ophir."

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