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BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine

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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 03:18 PM

"So Boo, as far as you are concerned, the BBC is out to "eliminate Jews".

Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran etc.......you idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 03:21 PM

Greggie boy was never very good at comprehension...


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 03:23 PM

He gives me a good laugh anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 05:24 PM

BBC News at 10 tonight.
No credence was given to the playground bomb being a Hamas rocket.
Israel was blatantly accused.
Unequivocal bias.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 05:27 PM

Unless its accurate information, FarkWut. Get a clue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 05:32 PM

I think this deserves to be posted here as well, for easy reference when dealing with PP, Boo, & FWK. I hope SRS doesn't object.


From: Stilly River Sage - PM
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 04:47 PM

Bobad people can be opposed to what Israel does as a nation, what the Israeli government does as a body, and even opposed to what individual Jewish individuals do in the name of their religion (such as kidnapping and killing children or building more settlements) without being an anti-semite.

When your case (the one you, Bobad, make against others here at mudcat) is so poor that the only answer you have in a dispute is to call the other party names, then you have no argument. Ad hominem attacks mean you're trying to distract by appealing to unrelated arguments (does calling someone "antisemite" mean they have to stop the first discussion and go on the defensive regarding their own attitudes towards Jews? No. It doesn't.)

If the only card you have to play is name calling, your argument is bankrupt. Check and mate.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 06:31 PM

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck and I'm going to call that duck out whenever I see it whether you like it or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 06:43 PM

I see that the antisemitic frenzy is not confined to the pages of Mudcat.

"These demonstrators are marching in the heart of Berlin shouting these slogans, in front of the police. Shouting 'Jews are pigs' is an incitement: Why isn't the Germany police taking the details of these people shouting in an aggressive way 'Death to the Jews'?" asked Gelbart.

Hebrew University Prof. Robert Wistrich, an expert on anti-Semitism, said, "We have entered a new, very difficult era in all of Europe." He said there is "a bit" of awareness in some governments, noting France's aggressive stance against anti-Semitism in any form, from top government officials on down, "but we see it doesn't make much of a difference — though it is important."

Wistrich noted that years of "one-sided" anti-Israel media reports have led to an image of the Jewish state that is far removed from reality. Additionally, the constellation of extremists on the political far right and far left, along with jihadist immigrants, have created a new anti-Semitic climate in Europe, he said.

There is no longer a facade of anti-Zionist expressions not being anti-Semitic, said Wistrich. "You just need to hear the rhetoric to believe. We need a much deeper discussion; we're just at the outer layer of the problem."

Read more: Talk of feared new Holocaust at Knesset meeting on European anti-Semitism | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/talk-of-feared-new-holocaust-at-knesset-meeting-on-european-anti-semitism/#ixzz38o1OxmWA


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 06:53 PM

Boo- get help for your monomaniac fixation on anti-Semitism..

Soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 07:00 PM

I find it very telling that in light of all the vile name calling that has been going on here at Mudcat, specifically by those who are anti Israel, SRS should choose to call me out for applying a definition
as drafted by the EUMC and reaffirmed by the Ottawa Protocol on Combating Antisemitism to comments that clearly fall within the parameters of the definition. Like I said, I've got her number.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 07:03 PM

Greg - get help for your antisemitism.....soon!


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 07:17 PM

JERUSALEM – IDF forces are continuing to operate inside the Gaza Strip, their main objective are still the terror tunnels. A senior IDF officer was quoted yesterday saying that Israel is in possession of all of the attack tunnels that Hamas dug from Gaza to Israel. A few more days are needed in order to dispose of the remaining tunnels, he said. The IDF blew up two more tunnels in the course of the last 24 hours. "The longer we stay on the ground, the more we learn about the extent of the tunnels and the route they were built in."

IDF Chief of Staff Lieutenant General entered Gaza yesterday to appraise the IDF's achievements up-close and discuss further plans with field commanders. Aware of the mounting international pressure to end the operation immediately and unconditionally, Gantz stated: "It's going to take some time, but every minute here matters." He further pointed out that the IDF was working with full-force to destroy the leftover tunnels.

Egyptian Border Guards, in coordination with the armed forces, destroyed 13 tunnels in Sinai on Saturday evening, said Armed Forces spokesman Brigadier Mohamed Samir in a statement. Authorities also seized a pickup truck that allegedly transferred 68 packs of agricultural pesticides that had Hebrew writing on it.

The IDF's operations, together, and possibly in coordination with the Egyptians' actions, are effectively cutting Hamas off from any real possibility to replenish their rocket arsenal, which is down by 50% according to IDF figures. An Israeli woman was moderately wounded yesterday afternoon by a rocket fired from the Gaza Strip. Over the past 24 hours more than 71 rockets were fired from Gaza towards Israel. At least 50 rockets hit Israel. 9 rockets were intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense system. The IDF struck over 40 terror targets in the Gaza Strip yesterday and 3865 terror targets in total since the beginning of the operation. 32 terror tunnels were uncovered by IDF forces since July 17th.

Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge more than 2,500 rockets have been fired from Gaza at Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 07:19 PM

the vile name calling that has been going on here at Mudcat

Most, if not all, of which is being done by yourself, Bullshot and FookWit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 09:45 PM

Guess Obama and Kerry have joines the ranks of your anti-Semites, eh, Boo?

US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry
Associated Press
By MATTHEW LEE and JULIE PACE 4 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration pushed back strongly Monday at a torrent of Israeli criticism over Secretary of State John Kerry's latest bid to secure a cease-fire with Hamas, accusing some in Israel of launching a "misinformation campaign" against the top American diplomat.

"It's simply not the way partners and allies treat each other," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

Her comments were echoed by the White House, where National Security Adviser Susan Rice said the U.S. was "dismayed" by mischaracterizations of Kerry's efforts. Israeli media reports have cast Kerry as seeking a cease-fire that is more favorable to Hamas and being dismissive of key Israeli concerns.

The coordinated pushback in Washington came amid growing U.S. frustration with Israel as Palestinian civilian casualties mount amid a sustained Israeli air and ground war in the Gaza Strip.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:59 AM

"I have not been informed of anything by you or any of your fellow apologists for terrorists. I have however listened to the words of our Prime Minister, The US President, The UN general secretary and myriad reporters on the scene, especially the unbiased BBC." - Musket

"BBC News at 10 tonight.
No credence was given to the playground bomb being a Hamas rocket.
Israel was blatantly accused.
Unequivocal bias." – Keith A of Hertford


1: Ever heard of a little thing called the "Balen Report" Musket? It was a report of the findings of an independent internal investigation carried out at the behest of the BBC related to anti-Israeli reporting by the BBC. This investigation was paid for by the British public who pay the BBC Licence Fee. The findings of the report were kept secret by the BBC and protected from threat of disclosure under any challenge via the "Freedom of Information Act". Those two points reading between the lines strongly indicate that the "Balen Report" is damning in the extreme – Don't know about you Musket, but I, having contributed towards the cost of that investigation, would like to know what it says and also what remedial actions the BBC have taken to eliminate any bias from their reporting of any news item.

2: On the incident yesterday where the 10 children were killed in that playground, did anybody commenting on this thread see the coverage broadcast by the BBC? It was filmed in a hospital showed scenes that we have seen before (Library footage most likely) but it contained two sections in which injured children were "interviewed" (I say "interviewed" because no questions were asked the child "victims" merely made statements). The one I found interesting was the one by the eight year-old boy who had been "wounded" in the back by shrapnel in that incident.

Hey Musket when you have been wandering around all those hospitals that you have rescued have you ever encountered any patients who have received any invasive injury to their backs? How mobile are they during the first 24 hours? Yet here is this eight year old, bright eyed and showing absolutely no sign or shock, pain, bruising or blood (They were at great pains to show the dressing {singular}) trotting out the lines that Hamas wanted the world to hear. At the end of the "interview" the camera panned away to show another of the supposed victims heavily bandaged on the left arm and right leg walking with an adult being led by his bandaged arm and walking normally keeping pace with the adult – possibly being led to another "western journalist" to trot out "his story". I have no doubt at all that children were killed and injured in that incident, but neither child shown could have been anywhere near it. Another little nuanced clue from the reporting of the incident, the BBC reporter referred to the "rocket" that hit the playground. Normally when reporting on strikes by the IDF they mention "missiles", "bombs", "artillery shells", "mortars" - NOT "rockets".


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 04:15 AM

The BBC is unbiased by constitution. That Israel is criticised is possibly due to their aggressive nature, funded by pro Israeli US lobby.

The fools on this thread say The BBC is biased , The UN is biased, The EU is biased...

Oh, why doesn't the world listen to the objective sage comments of Terribleus, braidedbeardedbruce, poo bad and me too Keith?

By the way, it was The BBC who are questioning whether it was a mis guided rocket. For all your shit, anybody can read their news website.

For the purpose of this thread, bias seems to mean "make my prejudice look awkward and uncomfortable."

Well done Israel. The world is beginning to wake up at last. Even The White House is risking political funding by Kerry and now Obama showing how sickened they are with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 06:33 AM

A number of senior BBC officials and journalist have stated that there has long been a Left Wing bias at BBC.

Also, see this.
http://biasedbbc.org/blog/category/bbc-bias/


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:05 AM

"The BBC is unbiased by constitution."

Awww Musket how precious - So just because its charter says so that means automatically that it is so - laughable, old son, laughable.

Does view of yours hold good for all "constitutions Musket? Or just ones selected to suit whatever viewpoint you happen to be taking at any given time?

How about this one from Hamas:

"[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: "Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware."

Well at least the actions of Hamas show us that they believe in that crap - dangerous really because in believing that they are only going to succeed in getting lots of people killed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:41 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10235967/BBC-is-biased-toward-the-left-study-finds.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:49 AM

"Ad hominem attacks mean you're trying to distract by appealing to unrelated arguments ...
If the only card you have to play is name calling, your argument is bankrupt. Check and mate."


So GregF, Musket, and Jimmy boy stand convicted by their own posts.





Or is this ANOTHER case where it should only be applied to Jews???


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 08:21 AM

No Israelis here- better not mention it...


Cairo (AFP) - A nine-year-old girl was killed when a rocket hit the ground outside a house in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, in an apparent attack targeting soldiers, security officials said.

The rocket was apparently targeting a security patrol that was passing through the area, security officials said.

Soldiers and police have been combing the area and the military says it has killed dozens of militants in north Sinai in several operations last week.

On Monday, seven militants were killed in north Sinai, including three who were shot dead by security forces, the army said.

It did not say how the other four militants were killed but said they were killed when they had gone to attack a resident in the border town of Rafah.

Five other militants were wounded in the Rafah incident.

Militant attacks have surged since the military overthrew Islamist president Mohamed Morsi and cracked down on his supporters from July 2013.

At least 1,400 people have been killed in the crackdown, mostly Islamist supporters of Morsi.

The militant attacks usually target security forces, but they have also led to civilian casualties.

Four children were killed on Saturday in the northern Sinai town of El-Joura, believed to be a bastion of militants who have killed scores of police and soldiers over the past year.

At least seven civilians and a soldier were also killed in a rocket attack earlier this month in the north Sinai capital El-Arish, when one rocket misfired and hit a crowded market place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 08:33 AM

If the BBC do a story about rapists and shows them in a bad light, wannabe rapists might accuse the BBC of bias.

Same with right wing fascists. As Corporal Jones would say, the fuzzy wuzzys dont like it up 'em.

Braidedbeardedbruce meanwhile sits muttering the bullshit he feels gives him credibility. Sad, twisted bigoted soul. It must hurt when the nasty civilised world calls his heros terrorists. Another 60 innocent victims since my last post here.

All legal and above board, of course... I doubt The Hague court will agree when the perpetrators are brought to book for attempted genocide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:05 AM

Wriggling Musket, you're wriggling.

Balen Report, which the BBC commissioned was kept secret - that would not have been the case if it had shown the BBC to be unbiased as you claim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:59 AM

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — 9:35 am, Tuesday, July 29, 2014

A health official said at least 100 Palestinians were killed in Israeli airstrikes and tank shelling Tuesday, as Israel escalated its military campaign. The official, Ashraf al-Kidra, said the day's death toll was expected to rise.

Tuesday's strikes came after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday warned of a "prolonged" campaign against Hamas. It was not clear if this meant Israel has decided to go beyond the initial objectives of decimating Hamas' ability to fire rockets and demolishing the group's military tunnels under the Gaza-Israel border.

In Israel, government spokesman Mark Regev declined comment.

Gaza's power plant also was forced to shut down Tuesday after two tank shells hit one of three fuel tanks, said Jamal Dardasawi, a spokesman for Gaza's electricity distribution company. He said the damage would take months to repair.

Even before the shutdown, Gaza residents only had electricity for about three hours a day because fighting had damaged power lines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:06 AM

anti-Israeli reporting

Well, T-Bird, I see you've joined the ranks of the idiots who confuse (on purpose?) "anti-Israel" with "anti-Semitic".


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:08 AM

" Sad, twisted bigoted soul."


What a factual, evidence provided claim- NOT.

The BBC has a bias- Hamas has a bias, Israeli government spokesmen have a bias.



Only a total idiot would ignore that, and NOT try to get information from many sources AND LOOK AT IT WITH REGARDS TO IT'S BIAS.

That means GregF, Musket , and Jimmy boy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:09 AM

" A nine-year-old girl was killed when a rocket hit the ground outside a house in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, in an apparent attack targeting soldiers, security officials said."


But no Israelis, so the "weeping stooges" don't care.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:14 AM

Cairo (AFP) - Four children were killed on Saturday in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula when a mortar round hit their home, in an apparent attack by militants targeting soldiers, security officials said.

The attack took place in the northern Sinai town of El-Joura, believed to be a bastion of Islamist militants who have killed scores of police and soldiers over the past year.

Four people were wounded in the blast, the officials said, adding that the children were all under 15 years old.

Soldiers and police had been combing the area a day after militants shot dead two senior army and police officers as they were driving home.

The military said on Saturday its forces had killed 12 militants the day before in several operations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:15 AM

CAIRO (Reuters) - Four children were killed and five other people were injured when a rocket landed near their homes in Rafah, an Egyptian town in Sinai near the border with Gaza, security officials said on Saturday.

Three security sources said the rocket was likely fired by Islamist militants operating in the Sinai peninsula, which borders Israel and the Palestinian Gaza Strip.

The state news agency MENA said security officials were still investigating where the rocket had come from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:16 AM

Only a total idiot would ignore that, and NOT try to get information from many sources AND LOOK AT IT WITH REGARDS TO IT'S BIAS.

Do let us know, Bullshot, when you begin to employ that dictum regarding Israel and its apologists in the media & elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:19 AM

Cairo (AFP) - At least three civilians were killed and 22 people were injured late Sunday when a rocket slammed into the restive Sinai Peninsula, Egyptian medical sources said.

Witnesses told AFP the rocket fell outside a shop in the south of El-Arish, capital of north Sinai.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:26 AM

Also do let us know, Bullshot, when you return to the subject of this particular thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:28 AM

El-ARISH, Egypt (AP) — Militants in Egypt's northern Sinai fired mortar rounds late Sunday at a military post in the provincial capital of el-Arish, killing a soldier as well as seven civilians, including two children, in a nearby residential complex, security and hospital officials said.

A senior security official said the attack late Sunday hit the military post, killing one soldier. The military post is located near a compound of residential buildings in the al-Salam district. The main security headquarters and the local government offices are also located in the same area.

The official , who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said a supermarket, pharmacy and a residential building also were hit by mortar fire.

Samy Anwar, the head of el-Arish hospital, said seven civilians were killed in the attack, including a 10-year old girl and a 12-year old boy. He said 24 others were wounded, including an 11-year-old girl.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:28 AM

Or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:55 AM

No Jews to blame = Greggie doesn't care at all.

The more dead Arabs, the happier Greggie and his fellow stooges are. As long as they can blame Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:12 PM

Yeah yeah, everybody has a bias.

Except you lot?

No you dont have a bias as it happens. In order to have a bias you heed to know how to interpret and then ensure distorted accounts match your prejudice.

That takes a degree of intelligence that I fail to notice on these threads.

Cutting and pasting from subjective sources and then calling anyone who sees through them as biased or, remarkably, jew hater, is not debating, it is giving oxygen to bigotry.

Meanwhile, back in reality. The death toll rises. Israel is drowning under the blood it has on its hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:18 PM

Hamas is drowning under the blood it has on its hands.


But the three stooges, GregF, Musket, and Jimmy, keep repeating the Hamas lines and accepting what has been shown to be false.

They support the killing of Palestinian civilians by the 20-30% of those anti-personnel rockets that land in Gaza. Then they accept the Hamas lies that it was Israeli shells - AND REPEAT THOSE LIES in support of Hamas war criminals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:01 PM

"Europe saw some of the ugliest eruptions of blatant anti-Semitism since the 1940s. Critics of Israel often claim that Israel unfairly hides from critics by charging anti-Semitism, but cries of "death to the Jews," "slit the Jews throats," or "Jews to the gas chambers" along with the smashing and torching of Jewish-owned shops and attacks on synagogues, have pulled back the cover, revealing anti-Jewish sentiment that still runs deep, and in most cases remains unspoken in polite circles. We will find out how seriously European leaders address the matter now that we have found what lay hidden behind the curtain of civil discourse."

http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/29/opinion/ghitis-israel-palestine/index.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:51 PM

Well, we know that Musket is very well "educated".


You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: beardedbruce
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:11 PM

Throughout the world, throughout history, the #1 enemy of the leftist has always been reality. From one moment to the next, he twists and tweaks his entire worldview to avoid facing what's right in front of him. He lives in an ever-shifting bubble of protective, self-imposed fantasy.

Which is fine until the bad guys, the ones he calls good guys, drop bombs on him.

Several thousand left-wing activists gathered in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square on Saturday evening, calling for an end to bloodshed in the Gaza Strip and a return to negotiations with the Palestinians.

Slogans chanted by the protesters included "Stop the war," "Bring the soldiers back home" and "Jews and Arabs refuse to be enemies," Channel 2 reported…

The demonstrations were cut short when Hamas unilaterally ended a humanitarian truce with Israel and resumed rocket-fire from Gaza.

D'oh!

If you think this will change their minds, you've never tried to talk to a leftist. Maybe a handful of them will realize the absurdity of it, but the rest will just incorporate this into their delusional narrative. "Well, Israel forced Hamas to do it," "This is all because of [fill in the blank with some non sequitur]," "I am a good person," etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 05:22 PM

The real reason for the conflict: WATCH


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 06:17 PM

Oh dear, another bout of serial postarrhoea from Bullshot.

Apparently paregoric is no longer effective. May be Amoebic Postarrhoea- more tenacious & difficult to cure.

Perhaps he should seek medical help........


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 06:45 PM

Hey Bullshot:

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!


Like hating them durn Palestinians, you mean - right?

And also anyone who might dare to criticize the actions of the Gov't of Israel?


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:07 PM

Interesting. I've quoted that song (by a couple of Jews, BTW) more than once on Mudcat. I have been listening to the BBC over the past week and I have heard much more hate directed at Israel than at Palestinians. And in this forum, actually.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:44 PM

The calls for the dismantling of Israel and shouts to kill Jews on the streets of London, Paris, Berlin, and Frankfurt, to name some of the major European cities where they've occurred, are indicative of a lethal anti-Semitic mass movement. What unifies many European elites, large numbers of Muslims, motley crews of leftists and neo-Nazis is a loathing of the Jewishness of Israel.

Why Anti-Zionism Is Modern Anti-Semitism


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 08:09 PM

iron dome like jock strap


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 08:39 PM

The calls for the dismantling of Israel and shouts to kill Jews on the streets of London, Paris, Berlin, and Frankfurt, to name some of the major European cities where they've occurred, are indicative of a lethal anti-Semitic mass movement. What unifies many European elites, large numbers of Muslims, motley crews of leftists and neo-Nazis is a loathing of the Jewishness of Israel.

You really are barking mad, aren't you, minnow. Are you sure you're not Bibi's uncle? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:00 PM

I have heard much more hate directed at Israel

You rather mean you have heard people objecting to actions of the Israeli government, don't you?

Or have you gone over to the lunatic fringe that assumes any criticism of the actions of the government of Israel equates with a hatred of Jews and an anti-Semitic bent?


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:02 PM

Boo has a tenuous grasp on reality for some time - apparently he has at this point lost even that and descended into the depths of serious psychosis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
From: bobad
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:08 PM

Over 90 percent of Jewish Israelis believe Operation Protective Edge is justified, with less than 4% saying they think Israeli has used excessive firepower against targets in the Gaza Stip, according to a poll released Tuesday by the Israel Democracy Institute (IDI).

Read more: Over 90% of Jewish Israelis say Gaza op justified | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/over-90-of-jewish-israelis-say-gaza-op-justified/#ixzz38uSkkJZX
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