2005 Getaway Reflections Here...

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From: jacqui.c
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 07:46 AM

All those wonderful songs. Can't wait to get to the Getaway next year.

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From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 08:38 AM

Hey, KT, think 'bout it this way... Rather than havin' a buddin' blues career crash and burn in 2 mintutes mine has been in a 40 year long tail spin... Now that's the blues...

So consider yerself lucky...

But, hark... I still am quite fond on the doo-woop years... Them songs bring back a lot of good memories when life was simpler and my biggest worry was making baseball practice on time...

I think the best of the doo-woop songs was "Blue Moon"... It had more twists than them Bush administartion tryintg to explain exactly why we invaded Iraq (bad Bobert, take it below the line...)...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 09:01 AM

Now we are home its time to look back through the videos and photoes and try to recapture just a small amount of the wonder that is the Getaway. I feel like I've found a whole new branch of the family and can't wait to meet them all again. Jacqui and Sinsull are my new best friends and Big Mick is the new 'Hug on a Stick'. Kids have a new Uncle Mmario too. CET and Charmion turned out to not only be great friends but wonderful hosts too.
My head is full of songs and my heart full of memories.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 10:28 AM

You're not contiguous KT that's your problem.
Giok ;~)

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Amos
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 12:43 PM

She's quite contiguous enough for my tastes, Giok -- your mother must have been scared by a Picasso print before you were born.

Anyway KT, you ARE a budding blues artist. Just get those words to "Juneau Woman Blues" down and we'll start working on the whole delivery shtick. Thing about blues delivery is, it is simple. It HAS ta be simple. That's where it comes from -- simple places, simple people, nothin' gussied up. So even though the good blues like Bobert's stuff SEEMS complex and subtile, it is just cuz he knows how to weave together a few simple things.

One of them is the guttural. To make a guttural, make believe you are a talking dog with laryngitis and sing a line or two that way.

Another is the Blues Grunt. This is not the "wake me up out of a deep sleep to ask for water" grunt, or the "ask me if this dress makes me look fat while I am doing my tax returns" grunt. This is the sort of grunt that comes from an EXCESS of sentiment trying to get out through a mouth too long forced shut by public censure. It's a deep, in-your-soul, every sad moment all remembered at once kinda grunt. Like all the times you wanted to just haul off and throw a rolling pin at yer man, jump off a bridge into deep ice, or bash some catty rival between the eyes with a spiked heel, or weeping for all the lost chillun you have ever seen, all summed up in a deep, rapid exhalation -- WHUH!!!!!!. Not that you have any rivals, but you know what I mean.

There is also the Angry Blues Grunt, which is like the above but mixed in with a really big sow deciding her piglets are under threat and lurching to the attack. That's a kinda grunt you do NOT wanna mess wit!! But anyone can master it, with a little practice.

Then there's the Near-Tears-Whine. This is a dual-vector pressure release which delivers bottomless grief through the belief that grownups never cry. Ya gotta clamp it down while making it irrepressible, that's the trick, like a Pushme-Pullyou in four-wheel drive fighting against itself to get nowhere. When you get that feeling nice and stirred up, ya just throw back your head and let out a blues line, any line will do, but ya fracture it with those two opposing forces and ya got yerself a world-class Near-Tears Whine.

There's a few other minor techniques for delivering blues, but you start working on these, using the words to Juneau Woman Blues, and you will be on your way to a rising stardom the like of which ole Bobert has merely DREAMED about, I tell ya!

A

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ferrara
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 03:10 PM

Oh my heavens Amos! Now you're setting up a Blues School for Ladies! I love it. LMAO.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Amos
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 03:25 PM

Thanks, Rita. But that reminds me. HOW could we have left out "Venus, If You Will....". My Gawd, we must be having senior moments here!! LOL!


A

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Barry Finn
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 05:36 PM

Love the idea of DOing Do-Woop, it'll be like home as a kid. As a kid growing up in a housing project we used to take out a Hi-Fi & plug it into a 1st floor apt & crank up the sound & soon enough the courtyard would be dancing to the latest. Dancing in the Streets was always a must. No one ever did any singing thought, must've perfered the human touch & getting the hormones ragging.
Also like the idea of bodhran songs, I'll have to start brushing up, now.

Barry

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 07:56 PM

One more reason to love Philly. Doo Wop, in addition to Cheese steaks, Tony Luc's, Independence Square, great neighborhoods, Philly Folk Society, 21 Ancient Order of Hibernians Divisions ...... I could go on and on .........

I hate being away from home, but love being on the East Coast.

I can't wait for next year at Getaway.

Mick

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 08:06 PM

Well, gol danged, Amos... That's exactly, almost word fir word, that I said to KT but did it sink in??? Well, maybe???

Next night she comes up to me and she's doin' a nasty version of her upcomin' song "Tastee Freeze Blues"... Whew, when that baby hits the airwaves there'll be blues singes jumpin' in front of tarins and outta highrise windows left and right...

I just have that feelin' that between the two of us we have awakened a blueswomen who is ready to slash and burn the Delta down to bottom of the Mississippi River bed... Yeah, "Tastee Freeze Blues" gonna be so hot that its gonna vaporize the entire Mississippi ERiver, gonna split the country in two and make Death Valley look like a creek in yer backyard...

Sho nuff...

That's the way I see it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 07:58 AM

I'm with Bill. Do oop? AAAARRRGGG!!!

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From: Bat Goddess
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:06 AM

A couple girl friends and I have been known to do research on and perform (much to Curmudgeon's dismay) in a historical context an under studied American music genre -- the "Dead Date" Song.

Patches -- Last Date -- Tell Laura I Love Her -- Ebony Eyes -- Laurie -- Leader of the Pack, etc.

Linn

(No, Kendall, I wouldn't dare if you were around!)

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: jacqui.c
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:21 AM

Kendall can go off to whatever else is scheduled. I'm with you guys.

Sins and I have been known to start singing 50s and 60s hits together, even when the Capn's around, just to extend his musical education.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Leadfingers
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:34 AM

If you lot are going to start doing fifties/sixties Doo-Wop , I will start looking for kindred souls to start a Getaway Jazz Band - New Orleans to Chicago stuff , preferably !

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:44 AM

Hey look, Kendall and Leadfingers, that's why there's always other similtanious concerts or workshops scheduled at these Getaways...

I wouldn't mind a MoTown workshop either but not volunteerin' to lead one... Maybe our resident juke box, Amos, would step up to the plate fir it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:06 AM

Don't forget "Teen Angel". One of the schmaltziest of the schmaltziest!!


A

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From: MMario
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:13 AM

Love Potion #9 ?
Ape on the Fire Escape?
Buke of Earl!

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From: rumanci
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:34 AM

hmmmm
BatGoddess said
(No, Kendall, I wouldn't dare if you were around!)


Oh dear
I would
in fact it might even convince me to sing again
LOL

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:40 AM

There ya go, Rum!! You get lead on "Lonely Teenager" and "Teenager in Love"!!

This is gonna be the Biggest DooWop Marathon ever heard on planet Earth.

I am presently trascribing the old classic "Wild Rover" into Doo-Wop form. I had it all rigged out as a blues but the chance to do it never came up, so next year I'll have it in DooWop format.

C.............Am..............F................G
Nay, no-o-o never (baadadummm)Never no mo-ore (no more! no more!)

...

You get the idea.


A

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 12:14 PM

Rather not thanks.
G. :~)

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 02:18 PM

Ach, ye auld steek inna mudd, Jock!! LOL

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Pauline L
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 02:28 PM

Mrs. Duck, I've never heard the phrase Hug on a Stick Before. I like it.

I've been told by someone who knows about these things that doo wop, strictly speaking, means a kind of song with four voices, like the rock counterpart of barbershop quartets. Whatever. I vote for Bye Bye Love, Down in the Boon Docks, Under the Boardwalk, Wake Up Little Suzy, Duke of Earl (not Buke or Puke, Mmario), and I'm sure I'll think of many others. Can we revise the rules to include fiddle harmony in our doo wop band?

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 02:32 PM

I hated it then and I still do. Sign me, Hard core folkie.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 02:49 PM

It all starts innocuously enough: with Doo Wop workshops. It's the thin end of the wedge, I tell you. Before you know it there'll be a Headbangers Ball instead of a ceilidh and Pogo to your Favourite Heavy Metal Number. Gimme something traditional I say, like John Mehlberg's Collection - that will put "stars" in people's eyes!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 03:19 PM

Sigh..ah, you purists; I love ya like brothers, but you'd'a hadda been there -- swamped by the fire of hormones and terrified by nukes and people of the opposite sex alike -- to understand what a joyful thing doowop was in the hearts of the young just before the Beatles started, just before the Kingston Trio hit the Big Time, when Bob Dylan was still thinking about his first kiss hopefully... it is the emblazoned Badge of an Era, is doowop. A genuine grassroots evolution, born out of Memphis and Mississippi by Pat Boone and Patti Page. Like Dixieland, like Gershwin, or like Barbershop before it, it is a unique musical stamp, an icon of its time. Show some respect!!! ROFLMAO!

A

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST,maryrrf at work
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 03:32 PM

I don't like Doo Wop either but there are so many choices at the Getaway that I know I'll have a couple of alternatives to choose from. So let the Doo Woppers doo their thing.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 03:40 PM

Here's my story, true but sad
About a girl that was very bad
In May it was, in Scarlett town
Sweet William died when she put him down
I shoulda known it from the start
He had no sense, she had no heart
So listen close to the tale I tell
And stay away from that Barbara A'l

Ba-ba-ba
Ba-ba-bra Al
Ba-ba-ba...

(Be glad I accidentally erased A-may shoobie doo Zing grace shoobie doo...

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 03:47 PM

Amos...I WAS there!..I saw it all. My 50th HS reunion will happen in a couple years!!!I used to watch "Your Hit Parade" with Giselle and Snooky and the others. But I just never took to it...."...the fire of hormones" was there, but nukes never fazed me. I REMEMBER hearing "Whict Sport Coat and Pink Carnation" and thinking...YUCK! what crap! That was what? 1956 or so?

I guess some of us are just saddled and cursed with taste and discernment and are doomed to never have ANY fun....

*evil giggle*

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 04:15 PM

Well, I'se older than both of yez (put together) and I was there too-and I loved it. Now it is true that I was not fond of Pat Boone (but I never thought of him and Patti Page together- what?) but I liked the Ink Spots, Cab Calloway, LOVED Sam Cooke, the Mills Brothers, ya get the picture. I also LOVED Elvis's voice (never got into his movies), the twist, the raucous bouncy havy rhythms of 'Raunchy' and 'Rebel Rouser' (are those titles evocative or what!). I don't know if any of these songs or singers come under the umbrella of folk (but I never heard a horse sing them) but I don't really care. They were songs of an era asd as such they had their place.

Oh, dear, a generation from now, I can hear the young'uns of today talking about Rap. (Not you, Rap.)

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From: Nancy King
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 04:31 PM

Doo-wop may not be "folk music" (whatever that is...), but it is definitely the music a lot of us grew up with. And it surely has generated a response here!

Rest assured, Bill and Kendall and other "purists", there will be other options...

Bam da lam!
Nancy

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: ranger1
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 06:03 PM

Isn't folk music the music of people? If that's the case, gives a pretty broad definition. My musical tastes are all over the spectrum and some of it would give Kendall and Curmudgeon absolute fits (Godsmack, anyone?). I like Do Wop, but I probably wouldn't attend a workshop on it. That's the beauty of music, though, something for everyone.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 06:46 PM

In rap Ebbie the C is silent like the P in swimming.
Giok

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From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 07:37 PM

hahha And it's spelled 'carp', as somebody near and dear to us all has it.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 07:44 PM

Dont forget the in-crowd.

I go with the incrowd, I...

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:07 PM

Ahhhhh, I guess you thought you'd slide that one by me, din't ya, Eb...

Well, if ya think yer gonna slide one by this ol' hillbilly yer gonna have to get up early and pack two lunches...

(Ahhhh, Bobert, seein' as there's like 4 'er 7 hours different between Luary time and Alaska time, Ebbie could get up at noon an' slide anything she might want to slide by you....)

Ahhhh, mere techincality, I say...

Ahhhh, Part Two... Sniff... Yeah, I used think rap was "carp" until this past summer when my son, Will to me, Ben to the rest of the world (don't ask....) came to visit fir a month and he brought his own rap stuff that he's written with him and so while he was here I invited him up to perfom with me at two pwerformances and we did a rap/blues song and he certainly taught me a few things about rap... And I was so proud to hear him spill out his story/poetry in "carp" form and he did it up-n'walkin'-good...

Sniff....

Sho did, he tore up the palce and there were folks in the crowd that come up to him afterwards and told him that they hadn't ever listened to no rap but tnhey liked what he had done...

Double sniff...

And all I had to do was hold a beat and be a proud dad...

The boy is good...

And yeah, most rap is carp but not his...

That's my story...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: kendall
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:30 PM

Actually, being a liberal and all, straight but not narrow as it were, if you want to clutter up your minds with that drivel, be my guest. Bill and I will be off looking under rocks or something.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM

Do op = witless, smarmy pap for the masses.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 08:36 PM

Beaubear, you is a funny man. And I do mean funny ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 09:08 PM

looking under rocks? Nope, kendall..at trees!! (yep, Nancy...I never really have to worry at Getaways...someone will be out there keeping the flame of purity burning..☺)

"Isn't folk music the music of people?"....it might be, but then the definition is so broad as to be useless. Folk is a specific area of the peoples music. A search will get you 4,307 paragraphs explaining the nuances *grin* (especially under my name)

(The "people" sang and listened to a LOT of stuff, from Druid Madrigals to City Billy drinkin' songs...gotta tell 'em apart)

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 09:18 PM

Like whad I say funny now, Eb??? I was tryin' to be real serious...

(ahhhh, yer in serious trouble here, Bobert, when yer spillin' yer guts out and folks is thinkin' is funny....)

Well, okay I mighta have let out a wird 'er two, maybe a comma, heck I don't know...

Tell yaq what, I'z gonna try to get the boy to cvome by and lay some of his rap down on us old foggies and see how folks take it...

Kendall is gonna say it's "carp" an' maybe it's is "carp"... HJey he's the sea guy not me... I wouldn't know a carp from a big goldfish....

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:09 PM

[Verse 1]
Rap is poetry, just a regular FORm
The minds of uncommon are where thoughts are BORn
Through the days they change, just like the phrases
Cuz if they didn't, it'd be all hazes
If you want an answer, go check a book
But most young folks won't give a look
Cuz youth is fun or so they say
Why would I want to be old and grey?
My grampa's oldsmobile, is where you'll stay
Cuz sometimes you live in yesterday.

[Chorus]
Three verses,
Two back-ups,
A chorus,
A bridge,
I like using words
Just a smidge

Four beats,
2 sheets,
An old ink pen,
My old man I must defen'

[Verse 2]
Don't drop the N bomb,
If you can help it
And if you can't
You shouldn't yelp it
Respect is what
this is All about
If you got somethin to say
C'mon and shout
If you're mad or sad
Then come take a bout
Don't just sit in your
Room and pout..
Don't bottle it up
Or one day you'll pop
At thanksgiving dinner
Or just at the shop

[Chorus]

[Verse 3]
There's some rules that go
With speakin a rhyme...
Don't lie, don't try
ndd keep with the time
If you follow those rules
you'll be just fine
So c'mon and write
It starts with one line
IF the words just flow
And show you the go
Then you have a gift
To gives others a lift
And when the time comes
that someone says prove it
you get up and grab it
Move it and groove it.

[Ending(speak freely to mic until fade):
So uhh..if you felt like this was good..
Why don't you come up and put a dollah in the bucket?
I ain't afraid to beg..I'm on my hands and knees all day long
Yeah.]

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:18 PM

That song was from Will, Bobert's son..This is he as well :) Bobert and I did a couple of songs and jammed together with his guitar as accomp...It sounded really good, aside from my need for a less nasaly voice, but not much can be done about that. I just figgered I'd come on here and try to explain things from my point of view and maybe sway some minds. I'm not here to start a fight or anything, but if I can finish an exsisting one that'd be a good.

Peace people, peace.
Will

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:20 PM

Like I said, I hate "carp" but the boy certainly has a way with wirds...'

Thankee, Will, you be the "carp" man 'round this joint... No protest....

(An BTW, nice stuff... New???)

Yer ol' man

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Peace
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:25 PM

Rap ain't folk, that's true. But it's becoming part of folk. Listen sometime to Dylan's talkin' blues or "Maggie's Farm". Just another form of rap.

Bobert's son: I ain't a fan of rap, but you be doin' better'n OK. Keep at it. It's an art form with which I have no facility, but I have always appreciated reading/listening to folks that are good at what they do. And that you be!

PS I read it three times. Good one.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:26 PM

Hey, I wrote that just for these folks :) I sat down and tapped it out...then I tried to switch back to this window and dag on if I didn't click on a hidden ebay link under the submit button. Twice. And had to rewrite the whole dag on thing. Really made me frustrated, so...things started flowin better by the end.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Peace
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:34 PM

Son, I don't mind the rap, and I don't mind that you like the stuff, but fer gawd's sake don't start writin' like yer ol' man.

My apologies to all, BTW. Didn't realize which thread I was on. Take care, Bobert's son. Best to you.

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 10:48 PM

Hey, Peaceie, I couldn't write stuff like him no more than he could write stuff like me... But I will take at least a little credit fir makin' my emphasis wid da boy just a couple things: 1. Don't beat up yer mom while I at work and 2. Think outta the box...

And thems si about the only two things that I got across to him and both took purdy good and I'm glad on both counts that they did...

Sniff... I'm sure there were more things that I wanted to impart but time run out on us...

Like rebuildin' a carburator...

Sniff...

Bobert

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Peace
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:01 PM

Sorry Bobert. Let me clarify: 'Son, I don't mind the rap, and I don't mind that you like the stuff, but fer gawd's sake don't start writin' like yer ol' man does ON THE THREADS.'

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:09 PM

sniff!

Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Reflections Here...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 11:15 PM

Shoot, Bruce, the boy can both typ0e right and spell even righter... He was typin' 130 wirds a minute when he was like, ahhhhh, 7 'er 8.... His teachers were sayin' that he couldn't cut it but he could out type and out spell 'um all??? Go figure??? I can't dop either too good and herer the boy has been able to do this stuff fir ever????

Ain't fair....

But hey, I can sho nuff out play him on guitar...

But that's 'bout it....

B~