BS: Muslim prejudice

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:07 AM

Sorry Mike,
I've had just about enough of this guy- he's more than proved his 'sincerity' by his behaviour on this thread, both with evasiveness, open cheating and with innuendo - as here.
If he expects respect and to be taken seriously he has to extend the same to those with whom he's he's debating.
I've had over two years of this from him, occasionally losing my rag, but mostly attempting to follow his twists and turns with honest answers.
His latest cynical hand-wringing hypocracy just about does it for me.
I'll happily debate this, or any topic with you and virtually anybody who has participated in this thread, whether I agree with your points of view or not, but personally, I find Keith too toxic for my stomach.
As for name calling - I think we've all done our share of that; Keith mainly by innuendo and deliberate misrepresentation - making us all out a s liars, idiots and heartless bastards who support extremist child rapists, or at the very least, are happy to ignore their behaviour in order to put forward some political agenda - which is exactly what he is doing at the present time.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:03 AM

Answer the question Lox.
Why do you deny what all the children say?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:55 AM

"A query is not an assertion."

No - but in this case it is definitely an insinuation.

But this is exactly what we would expect from Keith.

He posts entirely one sidedly on a topic, but claims impartial reporter staus.

So why woouldn't he insult aomeone and then claim innocence on a technicality.

... sniff ... sob ... you bastard ... snuffle ... (throws self dramaatically on nearby chaise longue)

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:39 AM

Jim, you failed to answer.
Lox, you again deny what the hundreds of child victims say.
Every one of them has said they were raped by gangs of BPs.
Not one has identified a different group.
Have they Lox?
Why won't you listen?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:37 AM

Sorry got the html re itals wrong on last post ~ ignore most of them, please

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:35 AM

Jim: I feel bound as a friend to point out that the tone of your posts [CAPS EVERYWHERE!] and their abusive content ~ 'scumbag, shit, bastard ...' ~ appear to an impartial observer [which is what I have endeavoured to be on this thread, honestly] increasingly hysterical ~~ counter-productively> so, and in danger of undermining your case. Keith has remained cool throughout and has not resorted at any point to such name-calling, and I genuinely feel this contrast can only damage your position.

We can all see that this is a topic on which you feel deeply; but as I have implied before, I think there may be a danger that this is preventing your seeing the issues clearly or responding rationally to some of them.

I honestly think it would be to your advantage to take a step back and a deep breath...

And I sincerely hope this does not sound too patronising or grandmother-sucking-eggs-ish.

Best

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:24 AM

"WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO THE CHILD VICTIMS????"

Why won't you Keith?

Because you aren't interested in their plight or finding a solution to it.

Your sole concern has been to find tenuous tit-bits of support for your racist hypothesis.

Consequently you have absolutely no idea what is important about their testimonies and no interest in finding out.

Such a severe case of Myopia I have never before seen.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 04:18 AM

No apology - fair enough; we'll have to settle for the nasty taste you leave in the mouth, both with your smears and your continued attempts to use raped children to score points.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:27 AM

I accept your denial and withdraw the question.
I do not need to apologise for asking a question.
A query is not an assertion.

Now answer my question.
"WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO THE CHILD VICTIMS????"

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:22 AM

Jim you repeated my question to Lox.
"WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO THE CHILD VICTIMS????"

I put the same question to you.
Everyone states that they were raped by gangs of BPs.
Not one has been found who identifies any other group.
Why won't you listen?

To save your face you try to make liars of these children.
That itself is abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:21 AM

"I am just curious as to why Lively feels unable to state his position on the central issue keeping this thread running."
No you're not - you are attempting to smear two members of this forum with sewer-level innuendo.
Personally I don't give a shit what you think about me - it certainly couldn't be lower than the opinion I have of you - but I think you owe Lively an unconditional apology for your shit-level suggestion AND AN IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL - don't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:11 AM

I am just curious as to why Lively feels unable to state his position on the central issue keeping this thread running.
i.e. is a minority group the majority offender in a certain crime?

He stated that the Binden pieces were compelling enough to help inform his thoughts, and were "a clarification of where I'm coming from."
Thoses pieces are an unrelenting catalogue of pitiful child victims gang raped by BP gangs.
You have to assume he accepts what the poor victims state, but he can not or will not say it.
It helps to explain why this scandal has been kept secret for well over a decade.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:04 AM

You could not make this up if you tried !

Just found this story in the Daily Express about a crackpot female Labour politician Karen Buck .


Ms Buck, a shadow welfare minister, made her contribution at a public meeting in Islington recently, the North London spiritual home of the metropolitan Left.

There she claimed that coalition plans to limit housing benefit claims to a maximum £400 per week were designed to force black and Muslim women out of central London and into the outer suburbs.

"Let us be very clear – because we also know where the impact is hitting – they don't want black women, they don't want ethnic minority women and they don't want Muslim women living in central London," she said.

Later she issued a partial retraction saying she could not be sure this was the deliberate aim of the housing benefit
reforms but stuck by her assessment of the policy's impact.

What makes this so telling is that for Ms Buck to even level her accusation, it must be the case that an awful lot of ethnic minority and Muslim women are being subsidised to the tune of much more than £400 week to live in central London.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 02:31 AM

"Have you been asked not to state your position?"
You low-minded, nasty bastard.
You are the only one who has lied and manipulated on this thread and has tampered with evidence, omitting important relevant detail from cut-and-pastes to try to make your case. In the past it is you who has posted under a false name in order to weigh the argument in your favour and give yourself support you did not have.
THE ONLY DIRTY-TRICKS STUNTS OF THIS SORT ON THIS THREAD AND ON THIS FORUM HAVE BEEN YOURS AND YOURS ALONE
For the record - Lively has not been in touch with me; had he been, I would not have attempted to influence his input into this thread (I don't have to - I'm not trying to make a non-existent case for my non-substantiated racist theories).
Most importantly, had I attempted to persuade Lively not to post, I have no doubt I would have been told by him in no uncertain terms to 'shove it'.
The fact that you are forced to resort to an allegation of this sort against two members of this forum is not only proof that you have no honest or valid case to make here (evidenced by your almost total lack of support here), but it also shows what a scumball you really are when you set your mind to it.
"WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO THE CHILD VICTIMS????"
And still you attempt to float your racist boat on the backs of raped children
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 01:39 PM

How do you know this stringsinger?
The demonstrators themselves sid they were angry about the burning.
They had been told that hundreds were burned.

A large and angry crowd surged through the streets of Kandahar, chanting "They have insulted our Koran" and "Death to America", the BBC's Paul Wood reports from Kabul.

The authorities in both Kandahar and Mazar-e Sharif blamed the Taliban for the attacks. However, the Taliban has rejected the accusation.
Mazar-e Sharif is due to be one of the first places transferred from Nato security control in the summer, but on this occasion the Afghan police were unable to protect the UN.
"The Taliban had nothing to do with this, it was a pure act of responsible Muslims," spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told the Reuters news agency by phone from an undisclosed location.

"The foreigners brought the wrath of the Afghans on themselves by burning the Koran," he said.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 01:18 PM

Just in case anyone cares, Afghan fanatics who killed UN workers were not really about crazy Rev. Terry Jones but really used him as an excuse to act out about Pax Americana
in Afghanistan.

People who are occupied by foreign troops will find any reason to revolt.

What do you think would happen if anyone decided to publicly desecrate the Christian Cross in the U.S.?   (Anyone for mosque burning?) Not me.

There are those who seek simplistic answers through scapegoating. It's all the Jews, Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Democrats, Republicans fault. They all think alike,
act alike and are robotically committed to their behavior. You believe that and you have bought a fool's bargain.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest, wampum
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 10:28 AM

Barking, absolutely barking!

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 09:59 AM

Lively, you said you were in touch with Jim.
Have you been asked not to state your position?
Why will you not?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 09:32 AM

How do you count only 3??
There are more than that just in Mothers Of Prevention.
Then all the other links.
Then all the court cases.
And Wilmer states, STATES, that her hundreds of cases were all by BPs.
WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO THE CHILD VICTIMS????
Too upset perhaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 09:19 AM

"Then there was all of Wilmer's hundreds of victims.
Did you find any victims describing non BPs?
I did not."

That was because you were never able to find those testimonies - and you have no idea what they contain or who provided them.

You found no others describing Pakistanis, non Pakistanis or men from mars.

You simply believe that they are there.


We have 3.


And 2 and 1/2 months of racial slander.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 09:11 AM

Then there was all of Wilmer's hundreds of victims.
Did you find any victims describing non BPs?
I did not.
Then all those senior police officers, serving and retired....

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:51 AM

Oh no - hang on - there have been three ... there was the one from the girl who was enslaved by the gang that were convicted as well.

What a mountain of evidence that is to support the view that Pakistani men are culturally predisposed to sexual deviance ...

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:48 AM

I think BOTH of them talked of Pakistanis Gangs.

How does that support your racist hypothesis Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:39 AM

So you are now upset by the testimonies.
Of course you are.
How are the perpetrators described in all those upsetting testimonies?
Or are you too upset?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:31 AM

"We could start with what the victims say, but you won't listen to them.
Why won't you Lox?"

Actually Keith, I took the time to read their testimony - unlike you.

That is how I knew that they offered nothing to corroborate your hypothesis.

And that is why you didn't know that.

You have clearly decided that you don't need to pay attention to such things.

That is how you are able to use evidence you have never seen and cannot be sure even exists to support your argument.


I read the accounts provided and they are extremely upsetting.
Just one of the reasons why your hijacking of this issue to prove that Pakistanis are sex deviants by nature is all the more distasteful.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:14 AM

Lively, why will you not address the main issue?
Is there an over-representation?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:08 AM

"By Girls I mean young women,"

OK

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:03 AM

Agreed Lox.
We could start with what the victims say, but you won't listen to them.
Why won't you Lox?
Many have been quoted here now.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 07:57 AM

"Before we get too deeply into Dutch issues, can we establish who is mostly doing it here please?"

Not without evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 07:55 AM

Lively.

"a) Loverboys in Holland are known mainly for seducing adults.
b) Loverboys are known more for seducing suburban middle class girls."

There is no contradiction here unless you infer that "middle class girls" is the same as underage girls.

That is not something that I intended to imply.

By Girls I mean young women, though I should clarify that women as old as their late 20's are seduced by loverboys.

Youy could combune (a) and (b) to get "middle class girls/women"



Keith.

I started an attempt to make the conversation about solutions.

I failed as there were no takers.

Just a sustained two month assault on Pakistanis.



I repeat my earlier demand - evidence that you give a shit about the victims of trafficking gangs ...

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 07:49 AM

Lox I searched the word solution.
The only one you suggested is to make kerb crawling illegal.
I have seen no report of that tactic being used.
Jim suggested separating church and state.
And that is it.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 07:36 AM

Before we get too deeply into Dutch issues, can we establish who is mostly doing it here please?
We would all value your opinion Lively.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 07:18 AM

"PS - Loverboys in Holland are knowm mainly for seducing adults, not children. Most Child sex slaves in Holland come from Africa.
Also, Loverboys tend not to capture deprived, abused or ghetto women, but are known more for seducing suburban middle class girls."

Not trying to be obtuse, but could you could clarify the seeming contradictory elements made in your statement? Yes I know I've edited it, just to pull it into relief.

a) Loverboys in Holland are known mainly for seducing adults.
b) Loverboys are known more for seducing suburban middle class girls.

A reference would be jolly handy too.

PS - thanks for the update of the Dutch girls debunked 'book and tour deal', it's terribly hard for me not to take reports of abuse on face value. No doubt it is for many of us. Women who 'cry rape' do us all a diabolical disservice.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 06:58 AM

Yes I know I wrote that.

It was me who wrote it.

Show me where in at quote I Blame any victims of anything?

PS - Loverboys in Holland are knowm mainly for seducing adults, not children. Most Child sex slaves in Holland come from Africa.

Also, Loverboys tend not to capture deprived, abused or ghetto women, but are known more for seducing suburban middle class girls.


I haven't blames anyone. I have provided information that undermines your position.

(what? ... more? ... How can it be possible)


Now about your concenr for children keith ... where are your solutions and where is your interest in the victims of Gangs in the North of Engalnd ...

... evidence that you give a shit required please Keith ...

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 06:50 AM

Lox,

"Show me any other contribution to this thread that you have made that doesn't deal with backing up YOUR racist hypothesis"

But it is not my hypothesis, and it can not be racist because anti racist BPs proposed it.
And what about my contributions about the actual issue of contention, the over-representation?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 06:47 AM

Lox, you wrote this about the child victims.
From what I've read, Dutch police have noticed that prostitutes in holland have a habit, when they are caught for other misdemeanors, of saying "my loverboy made me do it". Apparently the stories are similar in the way that police testimony was similar during the Rodney King Trial .. ie .. they are recited by rote, as if off a sheet.

In addition, the girl in holland who drew attention to the matter of "loverboys", (as i evidenced earlier in this thread - just type "control f" and then type in "loverboy" and you'll find it quite quickly) had her million euro making best seller on the subject discredited, and her million euro making spoken word tour of holland interrupted, when investigators began to find that her account was fundamentally flawed and very likely fabricated.

It seems that the issue of Loverboys in Holland is based in truth - there are loverboys in Amsterdam - but it has been blown into an exaggerrated hullabaloo, by a combination of factors, including both the willingness of society to condemn foreigners and the complicity of women involved in drugs and prostitution who, when caught, say it wasn't their fault "he made me do it".

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 06:32 AM

"Lox blames the victims of the Loverboys!"


Show me where I said this/



""Your posts here are notable for a total absence of attention to the victims recovery or protection, or other solutions to the problem of trafficking gangs."
So are yours and Jim's!"



Not true - I made a suggestion about how this crime could be prevented - in a response, not to you, but to Richard Bridge.

here

It was never explored or discussed because you weren't interested in any other aspect of this issue except the issue of Pakistani Sexual Deviance.

Press "control F" and type in thword "solution" and you will be taken to my posts, dons and michaels. it will be clear who has tried to discuss solutions and who hasn't.

Keith has never used the word solution even once.


"I did not know anything about it.
I quoted those who know more about it than all of us put together."

And then spent 2 and 1/2 months fighting to defend those views through thick and thin.

If thats impartial, then Ake is a professor of anthropology.


"You have used this issue as an excuse to portray Pakistanis as sexual deviants
Lie. "


Show me any other contribution to this thread that you have made that doesn't deal with backing up YOUR racist hypothesis.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 05:56 AM

Lox,
"You have focussed solely on trying to blame them on Pakistani culture."
Lie.
I did not know anything about it.
I quoted those who know more about it than all of us put together.

"Your posts here are notable for a total absence of attention to the victims recovery or protection, or other solutions to the problem of trafficking gangs."
So are yours and Jim's!


You have used this issue as an excuse to portray Pakistanis as sexual deviants
Lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 05:53 AM

Lox blames the victims of the Loverboys!

Their victims can be
distinguished in several categories. The most
vulnerable victims are girls who have experienced
little love and safety at home and have been
maltreated, abused or neglected. Girls, especially
with multi problem backgrounds, or mentally
handicapped girls have a higher chance of
victimization.17
In this sense, one could regard
these characteristics as the victim's push factors
while the lover-boy's attention (love, adoration,
money, and an exciting and glamorous lifestyle)
are the pull factors. Due to extensive media
coverage of this phenomenon, both public and
private projects were initiated to deal with the
'lover-boy' problem in the Netherlands. We listed
the many local initiatives in our latest report and
concluded that no nation-wide understanding and
record-keeping of 'lover-boy'-THB exists today.
Work is currently underway on a national register
for juvenile prostitution.18
http://www.judgesandmagistrates.org/Chronicle%2009.02.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 05:28 AM

"You shut your ears to the cries."

You have shown no interest in the consequences of these crimes or in possible solutions.

You have focussed solely on trying to blame them on Pakistani culture.

Your posts here are notable for a total absence of attention to the victims recovery or protection, or other solutions to the problem of trafficking gangs.


You have used this issue as an excuse to portray Pakistanis as sexual deviants.

You couch it in disingenuous pompous language, but you get more transparent with each post you make.


And Ake peers over your shoulder cheering you on like the school bullies wormy best friend in the playground.


Where were you when I started a thread about child exploitation?

And where are you every time there is a thread about race?

The answer to the first is "nowhere" and the answer to the second is "using whatever means at you disposal to peddle racist crap".

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:53 AM

Lively,

I've read some research into the "loverboys" phenomenon too.

From what I've read, Dutch police have noticed that prostitutes in holland have a habit, when they are caught for other misdemeanors, of saying "my loverboy made me do it". Apparently the stories are similar in the way that police testimony was similar during the Rodney King Trial .. ie .. they are recited by rote, as if off a sheet.

In addition, the girl in holland who drew attention to the matter of "loverboys", (as i evidenced earlier in this thread - just type "control f" and then type in "loverboy" and you'll find it quite quickly) had her million euro making best seller on the subject discredited, and her million euro making spoken word tour of holland interrupted, when investigators began to find that her account was fundamentally flawed and very likely fabricated.

It seems that the issue of Loverboys in Holland is based in truth - there are loverboys in Amsterdam - but it has been blown into an exaggerrated hullabaloo, by a combination of factors, including both the willingness of society to condemn foreigners and the complicity of women involved in drugs and prostitution who, when caught, say it wasn't their fault "he made me do it". In fact, according to some in the Amsterdam police, the role of loverboys may be very different to that which has become part of popular mythology. Often they are very much subject to the whim of Prostitutes who use the "loverboy" accusation as a means of control.

The situation in the UK is very different for a number of reasons, not least the difference in Law, and we know so little about what is happening up north that we simply cannot make a comparison one way or the other.

But that is the whole point.

Until CEOP finishes its more comprehensive study, we are all equally in the dark.

Certainly to deduce anything about Pakistani culture based on the information we don't have but we have heard could exist is utterly ridiculous.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:45 AM

It may be a red herring lively.
It was put up by some notable people though.
Since Lox and Jim do not believe there is an issue to explain, I see no point in pursuing it.
Why will you not express an informed opinion about the main issue of contention?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:35 AM

I've said as much as I want to say on that matter already.

Meanwhile, one of the things noticeable by it's absence in all this are the clients. Pimping out these young girls a highly lucrative business for those gangs who are engaging in it, but there is a bigger problem not currently being addressed in any of the materials I've been reading, and that is the law of 'supply and demand'.

Who are the clients funding this industry? Why is pimping out schoolgirls such good business both in the UK and Europe, including places like Holland where prostitution is legal? In the UK, Emma of Crop says the clients of these gangs are predominantly married Muslim men, in Holland I have read clients include Company Directors and such-like individuals of wealth and social status.

I don't believe anything can be deduced from such a random smattering of information, but it strikes me that focusing on Pakistani culture "in which their own girls are off-limits" is a red herring, because none of these industries would function without sufficient criminally complicit consumers who want to pay good money for the particular 'product' that these gangs are supplying them with.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:59 AM

I have come across the Loverboys thing.
There was that Australian version too.
I think you supplied that.
In those Northern towns and cities of England Lively, would you say that on-street grooming by groups is mainly a crime of BPs?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 03:44 AM

"You have nothing to suggest that other groups are doing this,"

In point of fact other groups are doing this, all over Europe. British authorities are seeking advice from the Dutch who have been experiencing a near identical new-wave of pimping - specifically targeting, grooming and internally trafficking young schoolgirls - for at least a decade (they call them "loverboys" over there, and there is a UK based campaign of the same name.) So no, it's not a specifically Pakistani based phenomenon by a long straw. If you are genuinely interested in the subject, then I'm sure you will be able to find plenty of articles about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:59 AM

"tediously pointless" is how I would describe your continuing denial that there is any issue.
All the victims that have been found, many hundreds now, all tell the same story, and you two tediously and pointlessly deny it.

I refute crocodile tears.
I fail to understand how anyone could not be moved by those stories we have heard and read.
You two have not once expressed any concern at all for the victims.

You have nothing to suggest that other groups are doing this, so your case has all been about me.
Such things you accused me of.
So yes, it is a good result for me that you are exposed for what you are.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 01:54 AM

And there we go, yet another extremely long, tediously pointless and extremely depressing trip down Cul-de-Sac Lane; ending nowhere and finally drowned in a torrent of hard-wrung crocodile tears, but summed up perfectly by one of Keith's classic posts showing what he thinks it's really about:
                                                                              "Good result for me though."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 01:12 AM

We have heard many victims' stories now.
Emma. The girl in the Woman's Hour interview. Cases detailed in Lively's links.
Cases in the various articles such as Yorkshire Post.
All very similar, and I found them deeply moving.
You don't even remember.
The only thought elicited in you was, "how can I discredit them?"

Hillary Wilmer is universally praised and admired for her work.
We have read some of her victims' stories.
She offered them as typical examples.
She has hundreds.

We know they exist.
You shut your ears to the cries.
You wont hear or see anything that challenges your preconceptions.

Perhaps I should have looked for a better word to describe you.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:45 PM

So Keith thinks that Pakistanis are only slightly rapy ...

... I guess that makes him only slightly racist ... hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:38 PM

Very interesting ...

... cries which you haven't heard ...

... of whose content you have no knowledge ...

... and whose source and number remains unknown to you ...

Pathetic.

The real reason you are calling me a Bastard is that you got so cocky commenting on my ass that you didn't notice that your head was buried up your own ... and now you're drenched in your own shit ...

... how embarrassing!