BS: Muslim prejudice

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:38 AM

"First, it isn't a crime type."

It is, according to Dando Institute, CEOP, BBC, etc., etc.

"Second, the crimes we are discussing are a snapshot."

A snapshot lasting more than ten years with many hundreds of victims!

"Third, you have no evidence to support your claim."

!

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:33 AM

"At the moment we are discussing if street grooming in those towns and cities is mainly a crime of BPs."

Nonsense - the whole point of establishing if there is an overrepresentation is to establish if Pakistanis are closet paedos or not.

First, it isn't a crime type.

Second, the crimes we are discussing are a snapshot.

Third, you have no evidence to support your claim.


Are all brits racist? ...

No - well how about the special racism type of Mudcat internet racism ...

no - well how about those in hertford?

Well there does seem to be an overrepresentation of racist mudcat contributors from there ...

but there are so many other people living in hertford that we don't know about that we can't draw any conclusion.

... well how about those in Keiths living room ...

Aha ... mudcat subscribers who believe Pakistanis are Paedos are definitely overrepresented in keiths living room ...

... so what?

So nothing!


50 out of 56 men in a Pakistani sex trafficking gang were pakistani.

Thats it.

A lot of hot air has been blown since then ... mainly by Keith.

No evidence of anything else.

Just bullshit, filibuster and imaginary testimony.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 08:20 AM

Safe & Sound Derby recognises that recently there has
been a number of prosecutions in the UK highlighting
the 'street-cruising party style' model of grooming for
child sexual exploitation and internal trafficking.
As awareness is raised around this particular model,
police forces are better able to identify cases. This
encourages investigations which in turn lead to more
prosecutions. However, many other forms of child
sexual exploitation are carried out by perpetrators from
a range of backgrounds,

OTHER FORMS of child
sexual exploitation are carried out by perpetrators from
a range of backgrounds,

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:47 AM

At the moment we are discussing if street grooming in those towns and cities is mainly a crime of BPs.

Narey (Barnados) acknowledges that "in the Midlands and north of England there does seem to be an over-representation of minority ethnic men in [offending] groups",

The Dando group did the research that found, in their limited sample, 95% perpetrators BPs

The Derby safe and sound, nothing to contradict that it is mainly a crime of BPs.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 07:21 AM

"So rather than admit you are wrong, you claim that all those people and the families of hundreds of raped children separately concocted a massive conspiracy of lies."

No keith,

I'm saying ... (shall I say it again) ... that your hypothesis about Pakistanis being closet paedos, is based on evidence you have never seen from people you have no knowledge of.

You may filibuster as mucgh as you like, but the fact is that you cannot provide the evidence to support your case.

Just the politically motivated opinion, an unqualified psychobabble of some politicians.


The only reliable evidence here is from Barnardos, The Dando institute and "Safe and sound Derby" and they allflatly and specifically contradict you.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 06:17 AM

So rather than admit you are wrong, you claim that all those people and the families of hundreds of raped children separately concocted a massive conspiracy of lies.

Ludicrous Lox!

When Straw spoke, you had no reason to doubt him.
Subsequently there has been evidence that it was not just white girls, but nothing to contradict him about BPs.
Why do not believe he really has had that experience?

Then the survey.
Not proof, but certainly evidence.
You dismiss it out of hand.
Ann Cryer said she had the same experience in her constituency.
Again, no reason offered to doubt what she said.
Hilary Wilmer. Why should this impeccable woman be doubted, with her hundreds of cases all BPs.
She corroborates all the previous.
Senior police officers, serving and retired, all part of the lying conspiracy?
Shafiq, Allibhai-Brown and Ahmed tell the same story from BP perspective, and it corroborates all that has gone before.

After all this time, still no evidence of significant non BP involvement.

So how do you JUST KNOW, with such CERTAINTY that it is all a massive and elaborate construction of lies?

Your mindless adherence to a dogmatic ideology in the face of copious cross corroborated evidence makes you a figure of ridicule and contempt.

Now, take back your slanders against those respectable Sikh and Hindu organisations.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 05:55 AM

"How can you deny such a truth?
You would rather make liars of the young victims than admit you are wrong."

No Keith,

It would be meaningless to comment on whether someone is a liar or telling the truth if I have no idea who they are or what they have said.

The same applies to you.

You say you are relying on the testimony of the victims.

But you have never seen any of this testimony and you have no idea who gave it.

Which makes you a fantasist.

Your case is based on who you imagine the allegers to be and what you imagine their allegations to be.

And this is all based on a second hand report.

You you have no idea who made these allegations or why. It could be parents, or it could even be non parent adults with an axe to grind.

But that kind of speculation is irrelevant because YOU DON'T KNOW because YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EVIDENCE.

The only actual testimony provided here is from a victim of the 56 convicted gang members. No new cases or epidemic there, just the same crime as we started out with, involving a Pakistani Gang, in which (for a pakistani gang) white people seem to be overrepresented.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 04:47 AM

This link works.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-01-10/pakistan/28365413_1_sikh-communities-hindu-and-sikh-white-girls

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 04:38 AM

The link does not work.
Google times of india jack straw

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 04:36 AM

Here is my report about the response of British Sikhs and Hindus, told this time by The Times Of India, with the exact same quotes.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Not-just-White-girls-Pak-Muslim-men-sexually-target-Hindu-and-Sikh-girls-as-we

Now withdraw your claim that The Network of Sikh Organizations, and The Hindu Forum of Britain are racist, bigoted and foreign.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 11 - 02:13 AM

How can you deny such a truth?
You would rather make liars of the young victims than admit you are wrong.
Lively and I have both given you separate accounts by Ann Cryer of how the anguished families had been coming to her for years, to tell her that the police would not help them because of racial sensitivity.
Straw, the other MP, says the same.
Hillary Wilmer, the volunteer given a national award for all her work, who also works to support asylum seekers, is not going to lie about the plight and abuse of the hundreds who turned to her.

I believe those people.
I believe the raped children who turned to them for help.
You shut your ears to their cries to preserve your worthless ideology and dogma.

And you dare to claim moral superiority.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 10:25 PM

"Made by the child victims of the rapists."

It is reported that children have made allegations.

You have not see these allegations.

You don't know what they are or how many there are.

You know nothing about them.



"I believe the raped children."

You use evidence that you haven't seen, that you do not even know exists, as the premise of your argument.

In other words, you do not even have evidence that your evidence exists.

Yet you claim to know what that evidence is and that it is reliable.


So you don't know for sure that this "testimony" exists, and you don't know what it is or who gave it, but if it does exist and the people who gave it are children and if they have been raped, then it must be true, and therefore it qualifies as firm evidence to support your hypothesis .....


...... your powres of self deception are legendary.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 06:03 PM

I believe the raped children.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 04:12 PM

Made by the child victims of the rapists.
I beleive the children.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 03:26 PM

"We have shed loads of evidence that BP gangs are grooming and raping children in those Northern towns and cities.
Many hundreds of children."

No - we have REPORTS of ALLEGATIONS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 03:17 PM

....at least in those towns and cities?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 03:13 PM

Lox,
"We can agree that Pakistanis are the majority offenders in pakistani gangs."

We have shed loads of evidence that BP gangs are grooming and raping children in those Northern towns and cities.
Many hundreds of children.

Have you yet found even the slightest scrap of evidence suggesting that anyone except BPs are doing it?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 03:11 PM

Yes Lively - thankyou - sloppy hurried typing.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 02:35 PM

PS I wasn't trying to be petty there. I think your meaning was clear, but I was just clarifying.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 02:27 PM

"only to find a dearth of anti moslem articles."

I presume you mean an abundance rather than a dearth?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 02:06 PM

We can agree that Pakistanis are the majority offenders in pakistani gangs.

I was only referring to tha hindu website you linked us too which I then explored, only to find a dearth of anti moslem articles.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 08:40 AM

Steve, I'd like to come please.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 06:13 AM

Lox, you forgot to say why you said the Sikh and Hindu organisations were foreign based, racist, and not listening to their own girls.

My listed people are indeed reporting allegations, but the allegations are the actual testimonies of the victims related to them in their roles as police officers, MPs, and support workers.
So why should those victims not be believed?
They are raped children Lox.

NO-ONE has stated that it is not mainly a crime of BPs in the Midlands and North.
Not one, and no evidence of significant numbers of non BPs doing it.

I think there is one sentence in all the downloads that suggest that elsewhere maybe non BPs are involved.

Can we agree it is an issue in the North?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 05:44 AM

No - "your" people are reporting "allegations"

"My" people clarify that the crime is nationwide, not just limited to the concentrated area featured by the times.

They also state that it is not a crime limited to British Pakistanis.

"But what has not emerged is any consistent evidence to suggest that Pakistani Muslim men are uniquely and disproportionately involved in these crimes"

It is very clear to anyone with even the most basic grasp of English comprehension that these organizations are all lining up to challenge the racist hypothesis that you and the BNP are peddling.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 02:38 AM

From 999s piece.
While Narey acknowledges that "in the Midlands and north of England there does seem to be an over-representation of minority ethnic men in [offending] groups",

That corroborates what all my list of people said, and what you and Jim have been denying.
Game over?

He goes on to say it happens in other places, and not just by BPs, but no details and the journo. then tells us there is no data anyway.

From your Independent piece.
Anne Marie Carrie, who takes over as Barnardo's chief executive today, said the children at the heart of the issue "have been forgotten as discussion has focused on the ethnicity of perpetrators in high-profile cases".

Not challenging the ethnicity of perpetrators notice.
In the whole article, the allegation that it is mainly a crime of BPs is NEVER challenged.

In your BBC piece, that allegation is never once challenged either.
Your Derby group agrees that the recent prosecutions make it look as though BPs are mainly responsible, but never refers to all the other evidence about the perpetrators.
It says "The Derby Safeguarding Children Board has told the BBC it will formally request the Home Office carry out research into the backgrounds of those involved in sexual exploitation."

They must at least suspect there is an issue.

In all the above, nothing refutes anything my list of people say.
And, my people are reporting actual testimony to them from victims.
I can't help but believe them, and ask again why you do not.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Mar 11 - 02:08 AM

Barnados and the Derby group were only quoted yesterday.
I will explain my reservations about them, but you somehow just knew that all those other people, plus senior police serving and retired (I forgot to list them) were all wrong.
How?
Internet grooming is not a separate crime, but it is a well recognised, discussed and studied crime type just as on street grooming is.
You just want to ignore it because of who is doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:32 PM

Hey, Lox, wanna go off and ride bikes? Coming, Jim? Don?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:22 PM

Knife crime and Gun crime do not just concern murder.

Carrying a gun, or a knife in public are both crimes regardless of murder.

Chatting up girls on the street is not grooming unless the intent is to entrap them and rape them as it then becomes the means by which the rape is enabled.

So while gun crime and knife crime can exist independantly of murder, street grooming cannot exist independantly of rape, whether statutory or other.

It would be an unprosecutable law as it woud be impossible to determine a players motives until after the fact.

Giving lifts and chatting to girls in shopping centres etc are not crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:08 PM

Keith,

Because something is Alleged and Investigated that des not make it real.

If the investigation finds that it is real, then that is a different matter.

In this case the investigators conclude that these criminals are not committing a new crime type.

This could be because they, like the law, view grooming as merely the means of entrapment, or it could be because it exists elsewhere too, as has been claimed by Barnardos and by Derby Safe and Sound.

Either way, it isn't a new crime type and both those organzations state that Pakistanis are not overrepresented.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:03 PM

"If you can show non BP involvement on a significant scale, I have no case and will have to reconsider my position."


Well both barnardos and safe and sound derby are saying that it is a nationwide phenomenon.

They are the only ones with actual front line experience, unlike All your witnesses, who are all merely reporting second hand allegations or their own personal uncorroborated opinions.

Barnardos are the primary independant child protection agency in Britain and Safe and Sound Derby are the ones who dealt directly with the cases that were prosecuted and which were investigated by the Dando institute.

Of all the alleged witnesses posted by you and I, theirs is the only reliable testimony as they are the only ones with actual experience of this issue on the ground.

And the only non frontline perspective with any credibility is the dando report as it is the only one that has conducted peer reviewed research.

So unless you are saying that they are lying, in which case you need to take it up with them not me, then by your criteria, you will have to reconsider your position.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:31 PM

Lox, if you do not accept there is any such thing as on street grooming by groups, we have nothing to say to each other, but remember, that was THE SUBJECT of the Dando report and is the subject of on going studies by CEOP and BBC.

If you can show non BP involvement on a significant scale, I have no case and will have to reconsider my position.
Can you Lox?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 06:22 PM

I am sorry if I missed it Lox.
Do you have convincing evidence of non BP involvement?
Why is it "illogical bollocks"?

Has what Straw said been refuted Lox?
Cryer?
Wilmer?
Allibhai-Brown, Shafiq, Ahmed, Hardeep Singh, Joshio, Inderjeep Singh?

None of them have withdrawn, have they?

Why is it racist to take note of all that?
How do you know that none of is is true?
How could you be so certain from the start and all the way through?
HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE?
Convince me.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 05:05 PM

"After all this time, still no convincing evidence of significant non BP involvement."

this is illogical bollocks.


A for the rst of it - is it Alzheimers or Autism that prevents keith from acknowledging the total refutation of his alleged "evidence".


As it is a racist hypothesis, I suggest neither - just downright disingenuous slander.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 04:44 PM

Some rationality from a non racist.
When Straw spoke, I had no reason to doubt him.
Subsequently there has been evidence that it was not just white girls, but nothing to contradict him about BPs.
Why should I not believe he really has had that experience?
No racism.
Then the survey.
Not proof, but certainly evidence.
No reason to dismiss it out of hand.
Ann Cryer said she had the same experience in her constituency.
Again, no reason offered to doubt what she said, and a pattern emerges.
Racist?
Hilary Wilmer. Why should this impeccable woman be doubted, with her hundreds of cases all BPs.
She corroborates all the previous.
Shafiq, Allibhai-Brown and Ahmed tell the same story from BP perspective, and it corroborates all that has gone before.

After all this time, still no convincing evidence of significant non BP involvement.

I find that convincing.
Why would an unprejudiced person refuse to believe any of it?
You don't have to be racist.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 04:27 PM

Lively, I agree about it not being necessarily paedophilia.
I have no opinion about what Indergit Singh said.

Lox, TOI is the Times Of India.
Why do you say those two organisations are foreign based, and racist?
Why do you say they got the crime details from the media and not from the victims?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 04:19 PM

Sorry, Jim. I just assumed most Catters would have come across my origins in various posts. I have never hidden my original Jewishness, mentioned several times on threads where relevant: tho now of course I am a lapsed-Anglican atheist.

I must just nevertheless say again, even despite your non-awareness of this, that your citing of the emotive (&, historically, intensively specific in its application) phrase "final solution" with all its overtones of Himmler & Eichmann and Göbbells and the Wannsee Conference, together with accusations of his wanting mass deportations, which you admitted, when I asked where you had found them in anything Keith had written, that you hadn't, is resulting in your really coming across, to me at least, with a degree of hysteria which seems to me to undermine whatever case you may have. This is an honest opinion, please believe, and not intended as a mere debating point.

Hope you have safely survived the Rocky Road To Dublin [which, btw, I use as ringtone for my mobile]!

Wack-falal-dee-dah.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 04:13 PM

"This phenomenon has been there because a minority of Islamic extremists view all 'non believers' as legitimate targets," said director NSO Inderjit Singh."

Keith, I find myself confused here. I have read of Islamic extremists and the so-called "Love Jihad" of conversion by romantic seduction of non-Muslim Asian girls, but are these two issues not distinct?

I can see where there may be some perceived crossover, but my understanding is that there is no distinct religious purpose involved in the abuse of vulnerable girls/teens we have been discussing on this thread, and that the abusers themselves are not so much "extremist Islamists" as lapsed Muslim criminal youths?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 03:41 PM

I haven't been following this thread very well, but I note a number of references to 'Muslim paedophiles' or 'Pakistani Paedophiles'? While some of the methodology used to ensnare victims may mimic those of classic child abusers, my understanding is that the crimes under discussion here are not being treated as paedophilia as such by those investigating them. In other words the girls may be underage as far as law is concerned, but they are not being treated as typical paedophile crimes. I believe one of the pieces I read referred to the girls "maleability" rather than their age, as being the primary attraction for their abusers (of course for classic paedophilia, the age of the child is the attraction itself.) I'm sure someone can point me to where this was mentioned.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 12:46 PM

These were the British Hindu and Sikh groups in my quote.
UK's Hindu and Sikh organizations have also come in open and accused some Pakistani men of specifically targeting Hindu and Sikh girls. "This has been a serious concern for the last decade," said Hardeep Singh of Network of Sikh Organizations (NSO) while talking to TOI on Monday.

Sikhs and Hindus are annoyed that Straw had shown concern for White girls and not the Hindu and the Sikh teenage girls who have been coaxed by some Pakistani men for sex and religious conversion.

"Straw does other communities a disservice by suggesting that only white girls were targets of this predatory behaviour. We raised the issue of our girls with the previous government and the police on several occasions over the last decade. This phenomenon has been there because a minority of Islamic extremists view all 'non believers' as legitimate targets," said director NSO Inderjit Singh.

Targeted sexual offences and forced conversions of Hindu and Sikh girls was not a new phenomenon in the UK, said Ashish Joshio from Media Monitoring group.

"This has been going on for decades in the UK . Young Muslim men have been boasting about seducing the Kaffir (unbeliever) women. The Hindu and the Sikh communities must be commended for showing both restraint and maturity under such provocation," he added.

Hardeep said that in 2007, The Hindu Forum of Britain claimed that hundreds of Hindu and Sikh girls had been first romantically coaxed and later intimidated and converted by Muslim men.

Inderjit said," We are heartened by the swift condemnation of this behaviour by the Prime Minister David Cameron and his government. However, we urge the government to be firm in dealing with this criminal behaviour to protect the vulnerable girls, and, importantly protect the good name of the majority law abiding members of the Muslim community."

Source: Economic Times


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Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 11:19 AM

"Lox, there has been much discussion and concern in this country, in recent years, about knife crime.
There is no separate crime of stabbing, but knife crime is a well recognised and discussed type of crime. "

Yes, and research that has been done has found that this is an issue and has made recommendations to deal with it.

Unlike the Dando institute report, whose authors have clarified that Sreet groooming is not a crime type.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 11:18 AM

Keith,

The reason you "sound like a racist" is very clear.

You are saying that British Pakistanis are closet Paedos.

You are basing this claim on imaginary evidence and sticking to it despite a mountain of expert testimony that flatly contradicts you.

You are defending a racist hypothesis (your hypothesis) whose premise has been shot to bits and for which there is no actual evidence.

You have been defending it for 2 months.

For example, (before the circle spins round agin and your alzheimers wipes your memory clear of the facts of this debate again).

"What we have got is the testimony of the raped children as related to Wilmer, Cryer and Straw, the police, and to the Sikh and Hindu representatives."

No Keith,

The "sikh and hindu representatives" of which you speak were only giving their opinions of what was being reported in the media.

I know because I checked their websites out.

In fact, the Hindu group you linked to were an extremist group that do not represent minstream hindus at all ... or even hindus in Britain, seeing as they were based in India - and their website had hundreds of articles about Moslems. Guess how many were complimentary ... none.


No evidence there of anything except anti islamic hindu extremism.

Cryer and Straw are politicians ... who gave their reaction to the Times reports in a "courageous" (ahem) way.

And the policemen were talking about their hunches.

They come from the same police force that is about 10 times more likely to stop and search a black man at random and about 5 times more likely to stop an asian man at random than they are to stop and search a white man at random.

They come from the sme police force that is more likely to prosecute young black and asian men and more likely to give white men a warning for the same crimes.

They gave their opinions, not evidence.

As for Wilmer, she stated that this issue has nothing to do with race so she is another who contradicts you. Besides, she is only REPORTING second hand what other people have ALLEGED.

So still no evidence.


All thats left is keith, stripped of his objective facade, sitting under the spotlight "looking like a racist"

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:32 AM

Lox, there has been much discussion and concern in this country, in recent years, about knife crime.
There is no separate crime of stabbing, but knife crime is a well recognised and discussed type of crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:14 AM

You can report what you choose to, Keith, but do so knowing some people will take it very personally and react to you from that perspective. I'm an equal opportunity guy; I don't like anybody very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:08 AM

Perhaps this issue is not confined to BPs, but we have yet to see evidence of that.
All we have overwhelmingly is evidence of BPs.

So what shall we say about it?
Can I report the observations of Straw, Wilmer, ................

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:59 AM

I agree, Keith. The issue(s) has to be discussed in public. And I do NOT see you as racist. Fact is that these kinds of things are now built into our societies. Canada has a similar problem. Recall the internet crud where various sites were saying, "Pimp my profile" and then society wonders why kids think pimping is a good thing to do.

However, the issue is not confined to any given ethnic groups or races or religions.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:58 AM

999, presumably you have not been convinced by my case.
I would be interested to know what you doubt.
If it were possible to prove to your satisfaction, would it still sound racist?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:51 AM

That troubles me 999.
I have listened to all those people, and agree with them that there is an issue.
But if I argue that there is an issue, I sound racist.
It is very tempting to keep quiet.
Especially if sounding racist could lose you your job.
That is why so many people have kept quiet over this issue for many years.
The result is rapists have got away with raping children.
It is a real dilemma.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:35 AM

Please understand I am not calling you a racist. I am saying you sound like one. There's a difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:32 AM

The problem is Keith that you are sounding like someone who has it in for certain groups.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 08:25 AM

If there is any truth to Darwinism and Natural Selection, I would suggest the death penalty for people involved in child slave trafficking. Bastards won't live long enough to pass on what they've learned to others.