BS: Muslim prejudice

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 05:22 PM

"Perhaps you have forgotten, and yourselves cannot be bothered to plough through all that tosh again."

Not that you would have a clue as you never read then in the first place.

Which is why you have to make shit up.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: ollaimh
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 05:19 PM

yeah i got some charles sanders posts, full of hate and vitriol.

imaginngan islam that hasn't existed for centuries and perhaps never existed as the situation in the uk. do any of you who are so intent on attacking other religions note that the lack of good advanced public education in the uk may be partially to blame for the problems minorites have becomming setled in british society?

you have one of the industrial worlds most estrictive education systems. in canda we have one of the most inclusive--presto within a few generations most immigrants are hard working educated members of society. as i stated earlier a muslim fundamentalist was the key underground mole who stopped the home grown islamic terrorists group. so was he anti islam, were the terrorists pro islam. its not the religion, its individuals/

when you give immigrants equasl opportunities they do well. tarek fatah, a former chair of the canadian islamis association siad in a recent book --and interviews--he never found any religious discrimination in canada, anf lots of opprtunity for education and advancement. he stated that this has allowed most muslims to fit into canadian society. he had also addressed the extremists problem and syas its a minotiry. all immigrant groups have minorities that have problems. its how you deal with those problems that defines your society.

now the uk with its class bigotry has a realk problem with the education option. thatcher briefly began education reform that created howls from the upper classses when their children were not scoring higher on equal examin--across the board. in addition the uk hadsn't realy recovered from the era of empire. empoire brings lots of immigrants from the conquered countries and an empire has to integrate them if it want s to grow into a suddessful world state. the uk rejected the leap to a world state when it rejected th imperial parliament system propoed by joseph chamberlain. that failure left little england with the problems of empire and few resources of empire. the british could not over come thier religious class and ethnic bigotry to integrte all people into the imperial citizenship. based on merit and so they fell but have tyhe many residual problems of empire.

it wae a tragedy that the opportunity to create a real globe spannig commonwealth was thrown away, but that leaves the uk with a very backwatd education record. you have les than a third the univertsity graduates of canada or germany, not to mention japan china and the oriental countries hell bent on education. britain is hoist on its own petard. they wouldn't open the educqation system nor the imperial citizenship which gettoized the immigrants and has crippled the information technology industries of the future. this lack of education levels also has left behind wide spread ignorance and bigotry well displayed on this discussion.   charles sanders is sending me bigoted e mails now with a disturbingly twisted version of islamic history,\\yes they had and have a tradition of discrimination against non muslims. well the uk had an established church as well and persecuted catholics for cenuries. therte is no moral high ground here for anyone. muslmregimes have been sending solfiers to shoot protesting civilians--wellthats what happened on bloody sunday! or the greensborough massacre .

they have torture well the uk wads convicted of torture in northern ireland, and the us would be at abhu grab or guantonamo bay if they paid any attention to international law. there;s corruption in muslim countries and e\onomic stagnation but they haven't pused the wolrd to the brink of enviormental collapse with un bridled un regulated military capitalism. there really is no moral high ground here and the sooner the self righteous get over thier ignorant posturing the sooner problems will be dealt with creatively and effectively

ps

if you wnt to read the real history of the dhimmi idea in islam--it does exist--read "the legacy of jihad" after which show me how western societies haven't acted the same under even the smallest provocations

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 12:46 PM

Don T: "It seems we have another member here with a race/religious bias amounting to out and out bigotry."

Oh goodie, another space case throwing the word 'bigotry' around, because he has nothing else to accuse others of!

Fuck what you THINK is 'bigotry'! GET REAL!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 11:45 AM

"He already did that, and so did I, "

No you did not!
Neither of you will tell us which of the theories Lox posted (no sniggering at the back! Of course he posted them.) is your preferred one.
Perhaps you have forgotten, and yourselves cannot be bothered to plough through all that tosh again.

Help us out Jim.
You must have read all Lox's posts.
Can you remember any?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 11:30 AM

It seems we have another member here with a race/religious bias amounting to out and out bigotry.

This fellow, however, prefers to lurk in the background and rely on the usual etiquette which prevents PMs being broadcast on the forum.

I received a PM from him today which he obviously lacks the guts to post for himself.

I don't know why he sent it to me, given that everybody here knows exactly what I think of racists and religious bigots, but since he did, here it is.

Charles J Sanders this is your post.

""People were sick of the creeping Islamification of Britain and the failure of mainstream politicians to protect our "democratic freedoms" from the medieval dogma of militant Muslims and their Sharia law.

There are more than 100 Sharia courts practising on a daily basis.
Sharia law is a racist, fascist, paedophilic law a law which condones child marriage, imprisons women behind burkhas, legitimises female circumcision and wants to take over the world.

British Muslim MP Shahid Malik publicly declared his intent for Islam to take over Britain. An example, a Catholic school faces being taken over by a mosque after it was revealed that 95% of its pupils are Muslim. It is believed to be the first case of its kind in Britain.

Church leaders say it is no longer "appropriate" for them to run Sacred Heart RC Primary School which has just six Christian pupils.
Just 10 years ago more than 90% of pupils were Catholic. But now most are of Asian origin, do not speak English as their first language and follow Islam.
The school in Blackburn, Lancs, could be handed to the nearby Masjid-e-Tauheedul mosque.

The dhimmis are trying to obliterate the memory of Sept, 11th and July 7th by renaming the anniversary 'Fluffy Bunny Day' or something similar.

Could all catters please remember to mark these anniversary with maximum publicity at all times.

Also, another anniversary that the dhimmis would like to slip from public consciousness occurs on the first of September when a group of Islamic terrorists, following the example of their prophet 'the perfect man' , began the siege of Beslan school which resulted in the deaths of nearly 200 Christian children,. Many of the children were humiliated by being forced to drink their own urine before being killed.

Please ensure these acts of Islamic infamy are not forgotten.""

Next time do your own dirty work!!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 11:14 AM

""We all know your opinion Lox, but I was asking for what you consider to be the best of all your alternative explanations.
Just the very best one please.""

He already did that, and so did I, and I don't know about Lox, but I can't be arsed to do it all again for a lazy ignorant sod who won't bother to read it.

If you want the information READ THE FUCKING POSTS!

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 10:38 AM

We all know your opinion Lox, but I was asking for what you consider to be the best of all your alternative explanations.
Just the very best one please.

Only you can provide that Lox.
What is the problem?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 10:30 AM

"World English Dictionary
wilful or willful (ˈwɪlfʊl) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

— adj
1.         intent on having one's own way; headstrong or obstinate
2.         intentional: wilful murder "



hmmm - looks like I spelled them both right ...


Thanks for the help professor ...




Keith, reading my posts would unearth my opinion.

Thats how I was able to deduce your opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 06:40 AM

Four men launched a horrific attack on a teacher in which they slashed his face and left him with a fractured skull because they did not approve of him teaching religion to Muslim girls.

Akmol Hussein, 26, Sheikh Rashid, 27, Azad Hussain, 25, and Simon Alam, 19, attacked Gary Smith with a Stanley knife, an iron rod and a block of cement.

Mr Smith, who is head of religious education at Central Foundation Girls' School in Bow, east London, also suffered a fractured skull.

The four now face a jail sentence.

Detectives made secret recordings of the gang's plot to attack Mr Smith prior to the brutal assault.

The covert audio probe captured the gang condemning Mr Smith for 'teaching other religions to our sisters', the court heard.

The RE teacher was targeted as he made his way on foot along Burdett Road in nearby Mile End on July 12 last year, Snaresbrook Crown Court was told.

Prosecutor Sarah Whitehouse told the court: 'The evidence from what was said on the probe points overwhelmingly to a religious motive for this attack.'

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 02:37 AM

Gang slashed teacher
Four men slashed a teacher's face because they did not approve of him telling Muslim girls in east London about other faiths. Akmol Hussein, 26, Sheikh Rashid, 27, Azad Hussain, 25, and Simon Alam, 19, admitted the attack on Gary Smith ... at Snaresbrook Court.
The Times, 22 Feb 11, page 4

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Feb 11 - 02:28 AM

I had to laugh...... I posted:

LoX: "Based on wilful ignorance of my posts."

Couldn't have said it better!
By the way, you also misspelled 'ignorance'.


and I'm sorry...he misspelled "wilful"!

..but in this case, they go hand in hand!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 06:26 PM

LoX: "Based on wilful ignorance of my posts."

Couldn't have said it better!
By the way, you also misspelled 'ignorance'.

..and he sits their scratching his head, muttering, "Huh???...HmM I think he is pointing something out to me...I think I'll call him a 'racist'..or maybe 'bigot' works better....now what was I saying???"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 02:38 PM

Jim, is this pause while you think of something to say on issue, instead of just character assassination?
One of the few points on issue you did make was that I quoted Yorkshire Post, but it was only for a direct quote of Hilary Wilmer.
It made no mention of ethnicity because it was published before Straw broke the taboo.
So, what was your point???

Lox, you are also very quiet.
You say it is made up shit that you have no better explanation.
Keeping up the charade!
Go on Lox.
Of all your better explanations, give us the best one to discuss.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: ollaimh
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 02:13 PM

yeah you noticed that muslims are not exactly like you, so they must all be bad. well any claim that all "muslims" are to somehow be to blame for one or a dozen honour killing is ethnic religious sterotyping and bigotry. and claim that a crime commited my"a muslim: hold all muslims to blame equally ethnic sterotyping and bigotry.

gee i read every day about english speaker out there in the mid east killing people--but thats not christian crime i suppose. but unlike the "muslom crimes" refered to and condemned those killings are the policy of a state you mostly had a chance to vote for--but you are not responsible. or on bloody sunday the murder of dozens of ethnic irish by soldiers following the polisicies of the sate you mostly got to vote for thats not british crime.

well i find the hypocracy disgusting. policies and killoings by the organized arms of the state are not the responsibility of the citizens of that state and the crimes of individuals who are not organized are the fault of all muslims. read a book, go to a lecture try and rise from your ignorance and bigotry and make something usefull with you wasted life!!

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:30 AM

"And please try to come out from behing thhe cut-n'-pastes this time and think for yourself."
I have no knowledge or experience of my own to offer.
Sorry.
"Your other comments are all verifyable on file."
No they are not.
You lie.
Put up the post AND the previous one it replied to.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:26 AM

Lord Ahmed did, and it was implicit in the others.
I have no knowledge except what I have learned from those eminent, reputable people with all their knowledge and experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:24 AM

"I was right then.
Lox has no better explanation."

More made up shit.

Based on wilful ignorance of my posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:23 AM

"Jim has just arrived, and straight away he attacks me, not my arguments."
Nope, attacked the racist aguments
"I have made multiple posts, so shoot me!"
You alway do, I commented on you whingeing about somebody doing the same - as quoted.
"Argue the issue please Jim."
Have done Keith - try reading what others have to say for a change - and answering what others have to say.
And please try to come out from behing thhe cut-n'-pastes this time and think for yourself.
AS I said, get a grip
Your other comments are all verifyable on file.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:22 AM

"Keith is simply illuminating what THEY have said"

Not true - Keith has gone one step further.

Keith says that British Pakistanis are predisposed to Sexual abuse.

None of his "witnesses" say anything of the sort.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 04:03 AM

Jim has just arrived, and straight away he attacks me, not my arguments.
I have made multiple posts, so shoot me!
At least that personal attack is true.
You lie about me and the Irish. I just hate paramilitaries.
Make a liar of me by putting up the non existant posts.
You can not. It is a lie.
On the marches I was putting Sinn Fein's viewpoint!
I kept quoting them!
Another untrue smear.

Argue the issue please Jim.
Not your usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 02:42 AM

"Totally agree. I keep saying this. Read my posts please."
Read your posts Keith - in spite of their number and the fact they are as 'multiple' as the ones you used as an excuse for not answering questions earlier on.
"Inevitable when dealing with Lox's multiple, long, ranting posts."
"Er, because there are so many, buried in long, multiple posts."
"I am not going to make a habit of multi posting."
I suggest you read your postings, count the number of them and their regularity, and see how many of them come in (at least) pairs.
What I get from you is an attempt to link crimes against women with Muslim culture. No religion has clean hands when it comes to the treatment of women, Christianity included, but your attempts to link one particular culture to pimping by quoting selectively from a right-wing rag like The Yorkshire Post is blatent racism - get a grip.
"A calculated, dishonest smear."
No it isn't, it's what you said - twice, and I have no intention of twisting and turning my way through yet another of your blind alleys. Your attitude to Ireland, violent sectarian marches and massacres of unarmed civiians is on file for anybody who cares to read through them - in context.
JIM Caroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 11 - 02:16 AM

"Answer the point I've made; PIMPNG HAS NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH NATIONALIY OR RELIGION"
Totally agree. I keep saying this. Read my posts please.

I was right then.
Lox has no better explanation.

Jim brings his explanation, that there is nothing to explain!
It was just a figment of Jack Straw's racist imagination.
And Ann Cryer's racist imagination.
And Lord Ahmed's racist imagination.
And Jasmin Alibhai-Brown's racist imagination.
And Hilary Wilmer's racist imagination.
And the Guardian's racist imagination.
And the Independent's racist imagination.
And the police's racist imagination.

A really positive contribution Jim.
Why did you keep us all waiting to clear this up?

It is an old lie that I called for Irish to leave Britain.
Show the post Jim, and the previous one it referred to.
I was calling for the North to leave Britain and form a United Ireland, as you know.
A calculated, dishonest smear.
Nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 06:36 PM

"Keith is simply illuminating what THEY have said"
Answer the point I've made; PIMPNG HAS NOTHING WHATEVER TO DO WITH NATIONALIY OR RELIGION - go into an area of high immigrant population and the numbers of criminals who come from that area are bound to be largr - not an Asian thing, just the incomers accepting the customs and practices of the host nation. We saw exactly the same patterns with young Travellers in London.
Keith is manipulating those facts to suit his own prejudices and you are, true to form, giving your past record, particularly your homophobia, are backing him up.
Keith seems to come on apace over the last year; from wishing that the Irish would go back where they came from to the full Monty;

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 06:34 PM

"Keith is simply illuminating what THEY have said"
Keith is coming out with racist garbage 'Pakistanis are here to defile our women and put them on the streets' plain and simple.
Please answer the point I've made. When you get an area where there is a high percentage of immigrants (plenty of those in the North of England) then this is bound to be reflected in the crime figures. This has nothing whatever to do with racial origins or religious beliefs; it is a sign of some of the incomers taking up the values and practices of the host communities. We saw this happen with Traveller youngsters in London.
Of all the immigrant groups, the Asian population in general is noted as being industrious, law abiding and anxious to avoid trouble and attract attention. Nowhere has the police or the local authorities ever claimed otherwise.
Keith has taken a statement out of context and made it a racial slur.
He seems to have come on in leaps and bounds over the last year, from wishing the Irish would go back where they came from, to the 'Full Monty' - Pakistanis want to ruin our women and put them on the streets - doesn't come much plainer than that.
This is sewer-level stuff; and he apparently has your full backing; so surprise there given your trach record, particularly your homophobia.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 04:47 PM

Why dont you aim your abuse at Mr Straw, Mrs Cryer and other involved in prosecuting these crimes, Keith is simply illuminating what THEY have said......or do you presume to be better informed than these people?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 03:38 PM

Grooming and pimping women is an activity carried out by scum from any background, religion or race. That there might be more Pakistani men involved in areas where there is a larger Pakistani population has nothing whatever to do with either their culture nor their nationality.
Slime arguments like this are what you would have associated with organisations such as the BNP before they cleaned their act up in order to present a 'respectable' image to the British electorate.
The "They're over here to take our jobs and defile our women" line is a leap backwards to the days of the Notting Hill Riots and Powell's 'Rivers of Blood'.
Even Cameron has made an effort to polish up his racism - wake up Superman!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 03:29 PM

"At the beginning we worked on the assumption that girls were groomed by individual pimps, but later discovered widespread pimping networks, much like international people trafficking gangs."


So more like INTERNATIONAL GANGS then.

Not in a way that can be attributed to British Pakistani culture.


PS - you claim that you can't define British Pakistani culture, yet you are sure that it predisposes british pakistanis to commit sex crimes.



Cue the next round of straw men, red herrings, excuses and refusal to acknowledge opposing arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 03:17 PM

Which is why you make up arguments on my behalf and criticize them instead.


On the other hand, you state that my understanding of your position is correct.


i.e - I know whats going on, and you refuse to find out.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 03:09 PM

Bullshit keith.

By your own admission you haven't even read my posts.

You certainly haven't responded to my arguments.


You have only made excuses why you shouldn't have to.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 03:05 PM

And let's drop the charade that either you or Don have a better explanation.
You have have made no positive contribution to this debate at all have you?
Prove me wrong, why don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 03:01 PM

Lox, this is the testimony of the "field worker" that you claim undermines my case.

This from the Guardian.
Hilary Willmer, of the Coalition for the Removal of Pimping, said that since 2002 her group had supported 400 families where girls were the victims of grooming and sex abuse by mainly Pakistani men. "The vast majority are white families and the perpetrators are Pakistani Asians. We think this is the tip of the iceberg." But she cautioned against treating the matter as a race crime. "It's a criminal thing
Helen B again, quoted by Yorkshire Post.
"At the beginning we worked on the assumption that girls were groomed by individual pimps, but later discovered widespread pimping networks, much like international people trafficking gangs. Shopping malls, games arcades, places around takeaways and parks are common meeting places.

"The girl (who's typically aged between 13 and 16, but can be only 11 or 12) may meet the man alone, or be introduced by a friend who already knows him. He is usually quite a lot older and good looking, well-dressed and may well have a fast car. He'll meet her regularly, shower her with gifts, give her drink and maybe also drugs, take her for rides, tell her how special she is. He may have sex with her, but not at first, and he will discourage her from telling her parents about him because "they wouldn't understand".

"At some point further down the line he will take her to a flat or down an alley and tell her that in return for all the things he has done for her, it's payback time and she has to do something for him. She will then probably be gang raped. She will be confused, weak, think she's in love with the pimp, but also feel ashamed and guilty. She goes home and takes it out on her family and also drops out of education."

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 02:47 PM

Oh..you were unclear, there....
...though it usually doesn't matter, in your case.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 02:41 PM

GfS - I'm talking to keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 02:32 PM

Who are you talking about??..or is this just blather that uncontrollably falls out of your face, between drools??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 02:23 PM

"The evidence is the evidence of the experts."

No experts on social/sexual psychology have commented at all.

Your "witnesses" are not experts in social/sexual psychology.

They are politicians, a journalist, a field worker (the only one with any legitimacy and who completely disagrees with your hypothesis) and a couple of policemen.

As I have stated before, the only thing that distinguishes these crimes is that the victims were groomed on the street and not on the internet or in clubs, carehomes, vestries or schools.

Beyond that you have NO signifiicant point to make.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 12:43 PM

Rolls my eyes, again...Here we go again...calling people who have legitimate concerns about a growing threat to world peace 'bigots'!..even if the threat of a radical, violent, distortion of a 'religion', is bent on eradicating all 'NON-subscribers' to their point of view, off the earth...INCLUDING YOU!!

It has become flagrantly obvious, that the 'FAR Left' are comprised of self destructive mental cases, who cannot distinguish fact from propaganda from reality and delusion, and tend to be 'suicidal and proud of it'! They will use the Freedom and Liberty that this country has provided to bring down the very system that ALLOWED them the freedom to be as silly as they have now become!!!!

Yes, the far right has its ills, as well...but, what this country has witnessed from the far left loonies, rivals the idiocy of a 'Monty Python' sketch!!!!...and it is all too self evident!!!

Your guys BLEW IT! You're BLOWING IT, and instead of correcting the problem, and/or recognizing any errors in your 'logic' that don't exist, you just dig your heels in further, and make bigger asses of yourselves....and with stubborn pride, you'll take us all down with it!

Congratulations for your self destructive fantasy obsessions!
Congratulations for fucking up the family unit, as a basis for ANY society!
Congratulations for calling black white and white black, good for evil, and evil for good!
Congratulations for creating hostile class warfare, where before there was none!
Congratulations for the deterioration of morals and conscience, to where we are as animals with nothing to think about, except obeying our 'trainers'.
Congratulations for fucking up every possible way to achieve the potentials that individuals are capable.
Congratulations for trying to turn the world, into a failed Soviet model!
Congratulations for 'winning' arguments, (read: 'avoiding learning') by shouting each other down with juvenile name calling, and shifting topics from inefficiency to 'bigotry' and 'racist'...as a 'catch all' for avoiding dealing with real problems.
Congratulations for promoting 'entitlements' as a way of life...as if you are entitled to ANYTHING, that you won't earn!
Congratulations for making mental illness and emotional immaturity the hallmark banner of your existence...then whining that you can't FORCE everyone who doesn't agree with your thumb-sucking childishness, to collectively suck with you!!

Piss off! Radical 'left' bullshit has run its course, and is now been seen as what it is, and what it isn't......and because they fucked up SO BADLY, popular opinion is turning away drastically!
YOU have given the 'FAR loony RIGHT' legitimacy...and for that, you have shown no brains at all!!
Stupid people are easily manipulated...Now aren't you glad to be in the 'gang'?

Jerk-Offs!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 11:29 AM

"your pet theory"
Mine is that you continue to display your racist bigotry, as in the past.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 07:30 AM

Lox,
"What difference does ot make if you groom your victims on facebook or on the street?
How does choosing the street indicate a cultural predisposition to trafficking and abuse of minors?"

One difference is that of scale Lox.
Many HUNDREDS of girls, often vulnerable or underage girls, ensnared into sexual bondage by accomplished gangs.

Why is it confined to cities with a large BP community?
Why are the perps, almost without exception, BPs?

I will restate the theory I accept.
The one put forward by so many highly reputable and eminent people, speaking from knowledge and experience.

Late marriage and a denial of intimate relationships drives some men to co-operate in the grooming and abuse of these girls.

Now Lox and Don, please restate your pet theory.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Feb 11 - 03:54 AM

The evidence is the evidence of the experts.
I am sorry if you choose not to accept it.
It is untrue to say I go beyond that.
I have neither the knowledge or experience to.

They were talking about a particular kind of grooming.
Move away from that and yes, the over representation disappears.

You castigate me for saying that you are sure they are wrong.
It follows that you are not sure that they are wrong.
That is to acknowledge that they might be right.

Don wants to debate alternative theories.
Are you up for that?

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest grom Sanity
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 10:51 PM

*sigh*....Jeez!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 06:22 PM

"Is the Devon gang accused of street grooming Lox?"


What difference does ot make if you groom your victims on facebook or on the street?


How does choosing the street indicate a cultural predisposition to trafficking and abuse of minors?


YOU think its "a reasonable suggestion" that British Pakistanis are predisposed to trafficking and sexual abuse.


Jack Straw, Lord Ahmed, Yasmin Brown etc etc NEVER said that.


So don't try and worm out of this by passing the buck to them.


Its YOUR view.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Lox
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 06:16 PM

"Whereas, you know enough about it to be sure that it is not responsible? "


The same lie repeated again and again ans again.


Keith, when are you going to get it into your thick skull that I have never said abnything of the sort.


I repeatedly state that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OR RESEARCH TO MAKE "ANY" CLAIMS ABOUT THE PAKISTANI COMMUNITY.


THERE ARE NO EXPERTS ON THE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE OF BRITISH PAKISTANIS.


NONE!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 12:24 PM

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Feb 11 - 09:37 AM

Don,
"We ask that you consider another possibility than your chosen one and you accuse us of being unwilling to accept the only possible explanation........YOURS!!!"

A fair comment Don.
You are right.
I would like to make ammends.

Tell us your most likely explanation and I will debate it with you.

That is what I keep asking you to do anyway!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 08:39 PM

I forgot to sign into the previous post....if thou would assist......

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 08:38 PM

DonT: "We ask that you consider another possibility than your chosen one and you accuse us of being unwilling to accept the only possible explanation........YOURS!!!
You call that debate?"

I'm sure you may enjoy this one......

Here Don!!!

Wink,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 05:16 PM

""I have some theories if you want to start a thread Don.""

I'm sure you have, and I'm equally sure that your theories will be the only ones you are willing to consider.

Just as in this case.

We ask that you consider another possibility than your chosen one and you accuse us of being unwilling to accept the only possible explanation........YOURS!!!

You call that debate?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 04:01 PM

I have some theories if you want to start a thread Don.

Back to this discussion.
This crime is unknown outside cities with a large BP community, and practically all the perps. are BPs.
That is what we are trying to account for.

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 03:40 PM

""Your best explanation?""

You have seventeen cases over thirteen years involving Pakistani gangs of perverts.

In those gangs almost all members are Pakistani.

Oh! Bugger me. What a surprise.

You were expecting little green men from Mars??

They are Paedophile Rapist Traffickers first and foremost, which is not occasioned by their Pakistani Culture, but by their perverted sexual proclivities.

Their nationality and religion are incidental to that, and only of interest in the minds of those with an anti Asian axe to grind.

Elsewise you would be making the same amount of noise about the white traffickers from Eastern Europe who are more numerous by far.

I'd like to hear your brilliant expose of the reason why the vast majority of Paedophiles are White British people who are either relatives or close friends of the families of their victims.

What is it, do you think, in the White British Culture that implants a predilection for sex with sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, or the children of friends and neighbours.

With your greater insight, and perhaps some help from self styled experts, you should find that easy to answer.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: Muslim prejudice
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 18 Feb 11 - 02:02 PM

Are Muslims prejudiced?

Probably would be, if they saw the length of this thread.