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BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011

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gnu 27 May 11 - 08:59 PM
Charley Noble 27 May 11 - 07:52 PM
Charley Noble 24 May 11 - 06:22 PM
Jack Campin 24 May 11 - 06:12 PM
gnu 24 May 11 - 05:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 May 11 - 08:29 PM
gnu 22 May 11 - 07:47 PM
GUEST,mg 22 May 11 - 07:28 PM
Charley Noble 22 May 11 - 06:28 PM
gnu 22 May 11 - 03:39 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 May 11 - 02:09 PM
Charley Noble 21 May 11 - 11:36 PM
gnu 21 May 11 - 10:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 May 11 - 07:54 PM
gnu 21 May 11 - 02:33 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 May 11 - 01:56 PM
Charley Noble 21 May 11 - 09:44 AM
GUEST,mg 20 May 11 - 03:38 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 May 11 - 02:40 PM
Charley Noble 20 May 11 - 01:23 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 20 May 11 - 11:36 AM
GUEST,mg 19 May 11 - 09:57 PM
Charley Noble 19 May 11 - 09:37 PM
gnu 18 May 11 - 02:34 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 May 11 - 02:23 PM
gnu 18 May 11 - 01:49 PM
Charley Noble 18 May 11 - 01:30 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 May 11 - 11:48 AM
Charley Noble 18 May 11 - 08:53 AM
GUEST,mg 17 May 11 - 11:21 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 May 11 - 04:49 PM
Charley Noble 17 May 11 - 04:25 PM
gnu 17 May 11 - 03:32 PM
GUEST,mg 17 May 11 - 03:25 PM
Jack Campin 17 May 11 - 02:35 PM
gnu 17 May 11 - 02:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 May 11 - 01:41 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 May 11 - 01:34 PM
GUEST,Jim Martin 17 May 11 - 09:13 AM
Charley Noble 17 May 11 - 07:45 AM
Jack Campin 17 May 11 - 04:41 AM
Charley Noble 16 May 11 - 09:21 PM
gnu 16 May 11 - 03:44 PM
GUEST,mg 16 May 11 - 03:40 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 May 11 - 02:07 PM
Donuel 16 May 11 - 11:41 AM
Charley Noble 16 May 11 - 08:36 AM
Jim Martin 15 May 11 - 08:26 PM
Charley Noble 15 May 11 - 07:58 PM
GUEST,Jim Martin 15 May 11 - 07:24 PM
GUEST,mg 15 May 11 - 03:40 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 15 May 11 - 01:51 PM
Charley Noble 15 May 11 - 10:45 AM
gnu 15 May 11 - 07:33 AM
gnu 15 May 11 - 07:24 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 May 11 - 03:21 PM
gnu 13 May 11 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,mg 12 May 11 - 05:56 PM
Charley Noble 12 May 11 - 05:50 PM
Charley Noble 12 May 11 - 05:44 PM
Donuel 12 May 11 - 04:17 PM
GUEST,mg 12 May 11 - 02:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 May 11 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,Jim Martin 12 May 11 - 08:10 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 May 11 - 12:35 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 May 11 - 04:50 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 May 11 - 04:25 PM
Charley Noble 10 May 11 - 03:42 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 10 May 11 - 01:38 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 May 11 - 01:19 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 May 11 - 01:05 PM
Charley Noble 09 May 11 - 09:33 PM
gnu 09 May 11 - 07:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 May 11 - 05:45 PM
Jack Campin 09 May 11 - 05:30 PM
Charley Noble 09 May 11 - 04:41 PM
gnu 09 May 11 - 04:39 PM
Jack Campin 09 May 11 - 04:23 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 May 11 - 02:50 PM
GUEST,mg 09 May 11 - 01:22 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 May 11 - 01:16 PM
gnu 09 May 11 - 12:34 PM
gnu 09 May 11 - 12:32 PM
GUEST,mg 08 May 11 - 02:22 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 May 11 - 01:51 PM
gnu 08 May 11 - 01:29 PM
Charley Noble 08 May 11 - 12:25 PM
gnu 08 May 11 - 09:58 AM
Charley Noble 07 May 11 - 08:57 PM
gnu 07 May 11 - 07:17 PM
gnu 07 May 11 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,mg 07 May 11 - 06:54 PM
Charley Noble 07 May 11 - 06:27 PM
gnu 07 May 11 - 01:40 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 May 11 - 01:20 PM
Charley Noble 06 May 11 - 08:43 PM
gnu 06 May 11 - 06:26 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 06 May 11 - 01:35 PM
GUEST,Jim Martin 06 May 11 - 08:58 AM
GUEST,mg 05 May 11 - 04:51 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 May 11 - 03:33 PM
Jack Campin 05 May 11 - 01:38 PM
Donuel 05 May 11 - 01:00 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 May 11 - 12:49 PM
Charley Noble 05 May 11 - 12:46 PM
Donuel 05 May 11 - 07:52 AM
Charley Noble 05 May 11 - 07:49 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 05 May 11 - 05:53 AM
gnu 04 May 11 - 02:30 PM
Donuel 04 May 11 - 01:34 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 04 May 11 - 12:58 PM
Charley Noble 04 May 11 - 09:15 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 04 May 11 - 06:42 AM
Charley Noble 03 May 11 - 03:57 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 May 11 - 02:14 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 May 11 - 01:58 PM
Charley Noble 03 May 11 - 01:42 PM
GUEST,mg 03 May 11 - 12:41 PM
Charley Noble 03 May 11 - 07:53 AM
Jack Campin 02 May 11 - 09:09 PM
Charley Noble 02 May 11 - 07:51 PM
gnu 02 May 11 - 07:11 PM
GUEST,mg 02 May 11 - 03:07 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 May 11 - 02:23 PM
Bill D 02 May 11 - 01:22 PM
GUEST,mg 02 May 11 - 01:12 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 May 11 - 12:48 PM
mg 02 May 11 - 11:08 AM
Charley Noble 02 May 11 - 07:36 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 02 May 11 - 07:29 AM
Charley Noble 01 May 11 - 05:39 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 01 May 11 - 01:58 PM
GUEST,mg 01 May 11 - 12:47 PM
gnu 01 May 11 - 12:41 PM
GUEST,Jim Martin 01 May 11 - 09:04 AM
gnu 29 Apr 11 - 08:47 AM
Jack Campin 29 Apr 11 - 08:23 AM
Charley Noble 29 Apr 11 - 08:06 AM
gnu 29 Apr 11 - 05:03 AM
Charley Noble 28 Apr 11 - 06:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 28 Apr 11 - 04:50 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Apr 11 - 02:30 PM
gnu 28 Apr 11 - 02:23 PM
gnu 28 Apr 11 - 02:11 PM
Charley Noble 28 Apr 11 - 01:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Apr 11 - 07:19 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Apr 11 - 07:07 PM
GUEST,mg 27 Apr 11 - 07:03 PM
Donuel 27 Apr 11 - 06:34 PM
Donuel 27 Apr 11 - 06:29 PM
Jack Campin 27 Apr 11 - 06:17 PM
GUEST,mg 27 Apr 11 - 05:36 PM
Donuel 27 Apr 11 - 04:28 PM
Charley Noble 27 Apr 11 - 03:50 PM
GUEST,mg 27 Apr 11 - 02:37 PM
Jack Campin 27 Apr 11 - 01:31 PM
gnu 27 Apr 11 - 01:27 PM
GUEST 27 Apr 11 - 12:59 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Apr 11 - 12:30 PM
Donuel 27 Apr 11 - 11:23 AM
GUEST,mg 27 Apr 11 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,Guest 27 Apr 11 - 09:36 AM
GUEST,mg 26 Apr 11 - 09:41 PM
Charley Noble 26 Apr 11 - 09:01 PM
GUEST,mg 26 Apr 11 - 05:14 PM
GUEST,mg 26 Apr 11 - 04:54 PM
gnu 26 Apr 11 - 03:54 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Apr 11 - 03:44 PM
Charley Noble 26 Apr 11 - 03:40 PM
GUEST,mg 26 Apr 11 - 03:22 PM
Jack Campin 26 Apr 11 - 03:07 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Apr 11 - 02:26 PM
GUEST,mg 26 Apr 11 - 11:15 AM
Jack Campin 25 Apr 11 - 08:43 PM
Charley Noble 25 Apr 11 - 08:01 PM
GUEST,mg 25 Apr 11 - 05:51 PM
GUEST,mg 25 Apr 11 - 01:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 25 Apr 11 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,mg 25 Apr 11 - 12:50 PM
GUEST,mg 24 Apr 11 - 09:20 PM
Charley Noble 24 Apr 11 - 08:24 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Apr 11 - 05:55 PM
gnu 24 Apr 11 - 04:52 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Apr 11 - 04:45 PM
GUEST,mg 24 Apr 11 - 03:45 PM
gnu 24 Apr 11 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 24 Apr 11 - 11:52 AM
Charley Noble 24 Apr 11 - 11:37 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 24 Apr 11 - 10:40 AM
Charley Noble 23 Apr 11 - 09:01 PM
GUEST,mg 23 Apr 11 - 05:06 PM
GUEST,mg 23 Apr 11 - 04:31 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Apr 11 - 03:11 PM
Charley Noble 23 Apr 11 - 02:29 PM
GUEST,mg 23 Apr 11 - 02:24 PM
GUEST,mg 23 Apr 11 - 02:22 PM
gnu 23 Apr 11 - 01:15 PM
GUEST,mg 23 Apr 11 - 11:31 AM
Charley Noble 23 Apr 11 - 11:31 AM
gnu 23 Apr 11 - 07:42 AM
GUEST,mg 22 Apr 11 - 11:50 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Apr 11 - 11:34 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Apr 11 - 11:28 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Apr 11 - 06:10 PM
Charley Noble 22 Apr 11 - 05:57 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Apr 11 - 02:33 PM
gnu 22 Apr 11 - 02:24 PM
gnu 22 Apr 11 - 01:18 PM
Charley Noble 22 Apr 11 - 01:03 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Apr 11 - 12:13 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Apr 11 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,999 22 Apr 11 - 11:05 AM
Charley Noble 22 Apr 11 - 08:57 AM
Jack Campin 22 Apr 11 - 08:20 AM
GUEST,mg 21 Apr 11 - 10:45 PM
gnu 21 Apr 11 - 04:37 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Apr 11 - 04:33 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 21 Apr 11 - 04:08 PM
gnu 21 Apr 11 - 03:48 PM
GUEST,mg 21 Apr 11 - 03:01 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Apr 11 - 02:36 PM
GUEST,mg 21 Apr 11 - 01:14 PM
Charley Noble 21 Apr 11 - 11:21 AM
Charley Noble 21 Apr 11 - 08:17 AM
GUEST 21 Apr 11 - 08:01 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Apr 11 - 06:26 PM
GUEST,mg 20 Apr 11 - 03:49 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 20 Apr 11 - 02:56 PM
gnu 20 Apr 11 - 02:04 PM
gnu 20 Apr 11 - 01:59 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Apr 11 - 01:54 PM
Charley Noble 20 Apr 11 - 07:56 AM
Jack Campin 20 Apr 11 - 06:14 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Apr 11 - 10:31 PM
Jack Campin 19 Apr 11 - 09:13 PM
Charley Noble 19 Apr 11 - 09:08 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Apr 11 - 08:57 PM
gnu 19 Apr 11 - 08:19 PM
Jack Campin 19 Apr 11 - 07:58 PM
Charley Noble 19 Apr 11 - 07:53 PM
gnu 19 Apr 11 - 07:44 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Apr 11 - 05:01 PM
Charley Noble 19 Apr 11 - 04:31 PM
gnu 19 Apr 11 - 04:31 PM
GUEST,mg 19 Apr 11 - 03:15 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Apr 11 - 02:04 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Apr 11 - 01:51 PM
Charley Noble 19 Apr 11 - 01:12 PM
GUEST,mg 19 Apr 11 - 12:59 PM
Charley Noble 19 Apr 11 - 09:16 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 19 Apr 11 - 08:38 AM
GUEST,mg 18 Apr 11 - 09:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Apr 11 - 09:20 PM
Charley Noble 18 Apr 11 - 09:11 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Apr 11 - 03:28 PM
gnu 18 Apr 11 - 03:28 PM
GUEST,mg 18 Apr 11 - 03:21 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Apr 11 - 03:04 PM
GUEST,mg 18 Apr 11 - 02:45 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Apr 11 - 02:36 PM
Donuel 18 Apr 11 - 11:21 AM
Charley Noble 18 Apr 11 - 09:59 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Apr 11 - 03:05 PM
gnu 17 Apr 11 - 03:01 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Apr 11 - 01:34 PM
gnu 17 Apr 11 - 12:04 PM
gnu 17 Apr 11 - 12:02 PM
Charley Noble 17 Apr 11 - 08:40 AM
Jack Campin 17 Apr 11 - 07:26 AM
Donuel 17 Apr 11 - 02:45 AM
gnu 16 Apr 11 - 02:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Apr 11 - 02:51 PM
gnu 16 Apr 11 - 02:41 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 16 Apr 11 - 02:32 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Apr 11 - 02:29 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Apr 11 - 02:11 PM
GUEST,mg 16 Apr 11 - 01:59 PM
Jack Campin 16 Apr 11 - 10:49 AM
Charley Noble 16 Apr 11 - 08:39 AM
gnu 16 Apr 11 - 05:56 AM
gnu 15 Apr 11 - 09:15 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 15 Apr 11 - 09:02 PM
Bill D 15 Apr 11 - 07:57 PM
gnu 15 Apr 11 - 05:59 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 15 Apr 11 - 04:06 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 15 Apr 11 - 03:42 PM
GUEST,mg 15 Apr 11 - 01:59 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 15 Apr 11 - 01:12 PM
Charley Noble 15 Apr 11 - 12:55 PM
Charley Noble 15 Apr 11 - 09:44 AM
gnu 15 Apr 11 - 07:17 AM
Charley Noble 14 Apr 11 - 03:46 PM
Charley Noble 14 Apr 11 - 11:15 AM
Charley Noble 14 Apr 11 - 08:32 AM
gnu 14 Apr 11 - 08:27 AM
GUEST,mg 13 Apr 11 - 09:57 PM
GUEST,mg 13 Apr 11 - 09:37 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 Apr 11 - 09:29 PM
GUEST,mg 13 Apr 11 - 07:51 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 Apr 11 - 06:10 PM
Newport Boy 13 Apr 11 - 04:44 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 Apr 11 - 03:36 PM
Charley Noble 13 Apr 11 - 02:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 Apr 11 - 02:34 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 13 Apr 11 - 02:25 PM
Jack Campin 13 Apr 11 - 12:51 PM
Charley Noble 13 Apr 11 - 11:41 AM
Newport Boy 13 Apr 11 - 09:43 AM
Charley Noble 13 Apr 11 - 09:36 AM
Charley Noble 13 Apr 11 - 07:57 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 13 Apr 11 - 02:55 AM
Charley Noble 12 Apr 11 - 08:32 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 12 Apr 11 - 05:11 PM
Stringsinger 12 Apr 11 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,mg 12 Apr 11 - 01:47 PM
gnu 12 Apr 11 - 01:43 PM
Donuel 12 Apr 11 - 01:41 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 12 Apr 11 - 01:12 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 12 Apr 11 - 12:50 PM
Donuel 12 Apr 11 - 10:19 AM
Charley Noble 12 Apr 11 - 08:03 AM
Charley Noble 12 Apr 11 - 07:25 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 12 Apr 11 - 03:38 AM
Donuel 12 Apr 11 - 01:27 AM
Charley Noble 11 Apr 11 - 10:16 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Apr 11 - 08:17 PM
Charley Noble 11 Apr 11 - 03:54 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Apr 11 - 03:48 PM
GUEST,mg 11 Apr 11 - 03:46 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Apr 11 - 02:30 PM
gnu 11 Apr 11 - 02:28 PM
Charley Noble 11 Apr 11 - 01:57 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Apr 11 - 01:35 PM
Charley Noble 11 Apr 11 - 07:47 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 11 Apr 11 - 06:57 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 11 Apr 11 - 06:44 AM
Charley Noble 10 Apr 11 - 09:23 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 Apr 11 - 02:03 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 Apr 11 - 01:59 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 Apr 11 - 01:18 PM
gnu 10 Apr 11 - 12:32 PM
Charley Noble 10 Apr 11 - 12:10 PM
Charley Noble 10 Apr 11 - 11:37 AM
gnu 10 Apr 11 - 07:52 AM
gnu 10 Apr 11 - 07:48 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 Apr 11 - 06:59 PM
GUEST,mg 09 Apr 11 - 06:22 PM
Charley Noble 09 Apr 11 - 05:25 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 Apr 11 - 03:56 PM
Charley Noble 09 Apr 11 - 02:57 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 09 Apr 11 - 02:39 PM
Charley Noble 09 Apr 11 - 10:30 AM
Charley Noble 09 Apr 11 - 10:20 AM
gnu 09 Apr 11 - 06:41 AM
Andy Jackson 09 Apr 11 - 03:42 AM
Charley Noble 08 Apr 11 - 10:56 PM
Charley Noble 08 Apr 11 - 10:34 PM
Donuel 08 Apr 11 - 08:55 PM
GUEST,mg 08 Apr 11 - 07:22 PM
Jack Campin 08 Apr 11 - 04:51 PM
Jack Campin 08 Apr 11 - 04:12 PM
GUEST,999 08 Apr 11 - 03:24 PM
GUEST,mgq 08 Apr 11 - 03:03 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Apr 11 - 02:33 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Apr 11 - 02:22 PM
GUEST,mg 08 Apr 11 - 02:02 PM
Donuel 08 Apr 11 - 01:33 PM
Jack Campin 08 Apr 11 - 12:03 PM
Donuel 08 Apr 11 - 11:32 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 08 Apr 11 - 08:29 AM
Charley Noble 08 Apr 11 - 08:19 AM
Jack Campin 08 Apr 11 - 07:46 AM
Andy Jackson 08 Apr 11 - 07:29 AM
GUEST,999 08 Apr 11 - 05:54 AM
gnu 08 Apr 11 - 05:53 AM
gnu 08 Apr 11 - 05:50 AM
Jack Campin 08 Apr 11 - 05:49 AM
GUEST,999 08 Apr 11 - 01:42 AM
Donuel 07 Apr 11 - 11:54 PM
Donuel 07 Apr 11 - 10:24 PM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 09:15 PM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 08:52 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 Apr 11 - 08:35 PM
Andy Jackson 07 Apr 11 - 08:18 PM
gnu 07 Apr 11 - 08:04 PM
GUEST,999 07 Apr 11 - 07:58 PM
Andy Jackson 07 Apr 11 - 07:20 PM
gnu 07 Apr 11 - 06:46 PM
Donuel 07 Apr 11 - 06:27 PM
GUEST,mg 07 Apr 11 - 06:07 PM
Donuel 07 Apr 11 - 06:04 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 Apr 11 - 06:00 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 Apr 11 - 05:57 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 Apr 11 - 05:50 PM
Donuel 07 Apr 11 - 05:40 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 Apr 11 - 05:37 PM
gnu 07 Apr 11 - 04:10 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 07 Apr 11 - 03:22 PM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 03:12 PM
gnu 07 Apr 11 - 03:07 PM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 03:06 PM
gnu 07 Apr 11 - 02:20 PM
gnu 07 Apr 11 - 02:12 PM
GUEST,999 07 Apr 11 - 11:27 AM
GUEST,999 07 Apr 11 - 11:24 AM
Donuel 07 Apr 11 - 11:07 AM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 11:04 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 07 Apr 11 - 11:03 AM
GUEST,999 07 Apr 11 - 10:15 AM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 09:53 AM
GUEST,999 07 Apr 11 - 09:35 AM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 09:16 AM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 09:10 AM
GUEST,Jack Campin 07 Apr 11 - 09:09 AM
Charley Noble 07 Apr 11 - 08:48 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 07 Apr 11 - 08:02 AM
Charley Noble 06 Apr 11 - 11:01 PM
SINSULL 06 Apr 11 - 08:20 PM
Jack Campin 06 Apr 11 - 07:43 PM
GUEST,mg 06 Apr 11 - 03:27 PM
GUEST,mg 06 Apr 11 - 02:29 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 06 Apr 11 - 01:34 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 06 Apr 11 - 01:19 PM
GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 12:44 PM
Andy Jackson 06 Apr 11 - 12:34 PM
GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 11:42 AM
3refs 06 Apr 11 - 09:42 AM
Charley Noble 06 Apr 11 - 09:28 AM
Charley Noble 06 Apr 11 - 09:23 AM
gnu 06 Apr 11 - 09:07 AM
gnu 06 Apr 11 - 09:00 AM
Charley Noble 06 Apr 11 - 08:21 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 06 Apr 11 - 07:32 AM
Jack Campin 06 Apr 11 - 05:52 AM
Lizzie Cornish 1 06 Apr 11 - 04:39 AM
GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 04:02 AM
Donuel 06 Apr 11 - 03:43 AM
GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 03:42 AM
Donuel 06 Apr 11 - 03:27 AM
GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 03:11 AM
GUEST,mg 06 Apr 11 - 12:35 AM
GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 12:34 AM
GUEST,mg 06 Apr 11 - 12:27 AM
GUEST,999 06 Apr 11 - 12:18 AM
Donuel 05 Apr 11 - 11:07 PM
GUEST,999 05 Apr 11 - 10:27 PM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 09:56 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 Apr 11 - 08:56 PM
Charley Noble 05 Apr 11 - 08:33 PM
gnu 05 Apr 11 - 08:02 PM
Donuel 05 Apr 11 - 07:47 PM
Jack Campin 05 Apr 11 - 07:25 PM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 05:25 PM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 05:21 PM
gnu 05 Apr 11 - 05:06 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 Apr 11 - 04:43 PM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 04:37 PM
gnu 05 Apr 11 - 04:32 PM
Charley Noble 05 Apr 11 - 04:20 PM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 03:17 PM
Jack Campin 05 Apr 11 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 02:09 PM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 01:33 PM
gnu 05 Apr 11 - 01:32 PM
Charley Noble 05 Apr 11 - 01:22 PM
Donuel 05 Apr 11 - 01:07 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 05 Apr 11 - 12:59 PM
Charley Noble 05 Apr 11 - 11:52 AM
Donuel 05 Apr 11 - 11:50 AM
Donuel 05 Apr 11 - 11:48 AM
gnu 05 Apr 11 - 10:57 AM
Charley Noble 05 Apr 11 - 09:04 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 05 Apr 11 - 07:07 AM
Jack Campin 05 Apr 11 - 05:36 AM
GUEST,999 05 Apr 11 - 03:30 AM
GUEST,999 05 Apr 11 - 02:14 AM
GUEST,mg 05 Apr 11 - 12:29 AM
Charley Noble 04 Apr 11 - 10:32 PM
Donuel 04 Apr 11 - 09:32 PM
GUEST,mg 04 Apr 11 - 06:10 PM
GUEST 04 Apr 11 - 06:09 PM
GUEST,mg 04 Apr 11 - 05:58 PM
Jack Campin 04 Apr 11 - 05:51 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 04 Apr 11 - 05:39 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 04 Apr 11 - 05:20 PM
GUEST,999 04 Apr 11 - 04:29 PM
GUEST,mg 04 Apr 11 - 03:47 PM
GUEST,mg 04 Apr 11 - 03:42 PM
GUEST,mg 04 Apr 11 - 02:37 PM
Charley Noble 04 Apr 11 - 02:01 PM
GUEST,mg 04 Apr 11 - 01:32 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 04 Apr 11 - 01:13 PM
GUEST,999 04 Apr 11 - 12:15 PM
SINSULL 04 Apr 11 - 08:38 AM
Charley Noble 04 Apr 11 - 07:36 AM
Ebbie 03 Apr 11 - 10:48 PM
GUEST,mg 03 Apr 11 - 10:08 PM
Charley Noble 03 Apr 11 - 08:49 PM
Charley Noble 03 Apr 11 - 08:37 PM
SINSULL 03 Apr 11 - 08:09 PM
GUEST,mg 03 Apr 11 - 06:29 PM
GUEST,mg 03 Apr 11 - 06:17 PM
SINSULL 03 Apr 11 - 06:16 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 Apr 11 - 05:54 PM
GUEST,mg 03 Apr 11 - 05:32 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 Apr 11 - 05:07 PM
GUEST,mg 03 Apr 11 - 04:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 Apr 11 - 04:34 PM
GUEST,mg 03 Apr 11 - 03:39 PM
Stringsinger 03 Apr 11 - 03:34 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 Apr 11 - 02:22 PM
gnu 03 Apr 11 - 01:30 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 Apr 11 - 01:22 PM
Charley Noble 03 Apr 11 - 10:34 AM
SINSULL 03 Apr 11 - 10:19 AM
Charley Noble 03 Apr 11 - 08:28 AM
Charley Noble 02 Apr 11 - 09:44 PM
GUEST,mg 02 Apr 11 - 08:44 PM
Donuel 02 Apr 11 - 07:48 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Apr 11 - 07:41 PM
Donuel 02 Apr 11 - 07:13 PM
Stringsinger 02 Apr 11 - 05:51 PM
Charley Noble 02 Apr 11 - 04:30 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Apr 11 - 04:20 PM
Donuel 02 Apr 11 - 04:16 PM
gnu 02 Apr 11 - 03:50 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Apr 11 - 03:33 PM
Donuel 02 Apr 11 - 02:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Apr 11 - 02:31 PM
Donuel 02 Apr 11 - 02:19 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Apr 11 - 02:09 PM
gnu 02 Apr 11 - 01:52 PM
gnu 02 Apr 11 - 01:51 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Apr 11 - 01:43 PM
GUEST,mg 02 Apr 11 - 01:42 PM
Charley Noble 02 Apr 11 - 01:36 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Apr 11 - 01:33 PM
Donuel 02 Apr 11 - 01:28 PM
gnu 02 Apr 11 - 01:04 PM
gnu 02 Apr 11 - 12:46 PM
gnu 02 Apr 11 - 12:37 PM
Charley Noble 02 Apr 11 - 11:15 AM
Charley Noble 02 Apr 11 - 09:52 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 02 Apr 11 - 06:39 AM
Charley Noble 01 Apr 11 - 09:07 PM
Jack Campin 01 Apr 11 - 06:36 PM
GUEST,mg 01 Apr 11 - 06:00 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 01 Apr 11 - 05:52 PM
GUEST,999 01 Apr 11 - 05:06 PM
Charley Noble 01 Apr 11 - 04:13 PM
Charley Noble 01 Apr 11 - 04:01 PM
Donuel 01 Apr 11 - 03:10 PM
GUEST,mg 01 Apr 11 - 03:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 01 Apr 11 - 01:57 PM
gnu 01 Apr 11 - 01:54 PM
GUEST,mg 01 Apr 11 - 01:20 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 01 Apr 11 - 12:45 PM
Charley Noble 01 Apr 11 - 11:09 AM
Jack Campin 01 Apr 11 - 08:33 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 01 Apr 11 - 07:13 AM
Donuel 01 Apr 11 - 02:13 AM
Donuel 01 Apr 11 - 12:07 AM
GUEST,mg 31 Mar 11 - 10:30 PM
gnu 31 Mar 11 - 10:03 PM
Charley Noble 31 Mar 11 - 09:55 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 31 Mar 11 - 08:56 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 31 Mar 11 - 08:53 PM
Donuel 31 Mar 11 - 08:31 PM
Donuel 31 Mar 11 - 07:56 PM
Donuel 31 Mar 11 - 07:45 PM
Donuel 31 Mar 11 - 07:27 PM
Charley Noble 31 Mar 11 - 06:23 PM
Donuel 31 Mar 11 - 04:59 PM
Donuel 31 Mar 11 - 04:45 PM
GUEST,mg 31 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM
gnu 31 Mar 11 - 01:40 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 31 Mar 11 - 01:20 PM
gnu 31 Mar 11 - 01:11 PM
SINSULL 31 Mar 11 - 12:55 PM
Donuel 31 Mar 11 - 12:26 PM
Charley Noble 31 Mar 11 - 09:51 AM
gnu 31 Mar 11 - 09:42 AM
Charley Noble 31 Mar 11 - 08:22 AM
gnu 31 Mar 11 - 07:58 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 31 Mar 11 - 05:58 AM
Charley Noble 30 Mar 11 - 10:23 PM
Donuel 30 Mar 11 - 09:55 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 30 Mar 11 - 09:21 PM
Donuel 30 Mar 11 - 09:14 PM
GUEST,mg 30 Mar 11 - 06:35 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 30 Mar 11 - 06:05 PM
gnu 30 Mar 11 - 05:17 PM
gnu 30 Mar 11 - 03:57 PM
Charley Noble 30 Mar 11 - 03:11 PM
gnu 30 Mar 11 - 02:33 PM
Jack Campin 30 Mar 11 - 02:24 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 30 Mar 11 - 02:12 PM
gnu 30 Mar 11 - 01:55 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 30 Mar 11 - 01:38 PM
Charley Noble 30 Mar 11 - 08:43 AM
GUEST 30 Mar 11 - 02:24 AM
Donuel 29 Mar 11 - 09:13 PM
Donuel 29 Mar 11 - 09:09 PM
Jack Campin 29 Mar 11 - 08:45 PM
Charley Noble 29 Mar 11 - 08:07 PM
gnu 29 Mar 11 - 07:35 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 29 Mar 11 - 06:18 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 29 Mar 11 - 05:22 PM
Jack Campin 29 Mar 11 - 05:21 PM
gnu 29 Mar 11 - 04:56 PM
Charley Noble 29 Mar 11 - 04:54 PM
GUEST,mg 29 Mar 11 - 04:17 PM
gnu 29 Mar 11 - 03:49 PM
Charley Noble 29 Mar 11 - 03:26 PM
gnu 29 Mar 11 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,mg 29 Mar 11 - 02:55 PM
GUEST,mg 29 Mar 11 - 02:52 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 29 Mar 11 - 02:38 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 29 Mar 11 - 02:19 PM
GUEST,mg 29 Mar 11 - 01:08 PM
Stringsinger 29 Mar 11 - 12:18 PM
Donuel 29 Mar 11 - 12:17 PM
Charley Noble 29 Mar 11 - 11:46 AM
Donuel 29 Mar 11 - 11:31 AM
Donuel 29 Mar 11 - 10:31 AM
GUEST,999 29 Mar 11 - 10:08 AM
Charley Noble 29 Mar 11 - 09:02 AM
Charley Noble 29 Mar 11 - 08:08 AM
Donuel 28 Mar 11 - 10:02 PM
Donuel 28 Mar 11 - 08:48 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 06:48 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Mar 11 - 05:45 PM
Donuel 28 Mar 11 - 05:09 PM
GUEST,999 28 Mar 11 - 05:01 PM
Donuel 28 Mar 11 - 04:59 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Mar 11 - 04:57 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 28 Mar 11 - 04:50 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 04:34 PM
Charley Noble 28 Mar 11 - 04:25 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 03:14 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 02:18 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 28 Mar 11 - 02:09 PM
Jack Campin 28 Mar 11 - 02:08 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 01:22 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 01:11 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 01:06 PM
Charley Noble 28 Mar 11 - 12:59 PM
Charley Noble 28 Mar 11 - 12:54 PM
Charley Noble 28 Mar 11 - 12:48 PM
gnu 28 Mar 11 - 12:00 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Mar 11 - 10:34 AM
Charley Noble 28 Mar 11 - 08:10 AM
Donuel 28 Mar 11 - 12:05 AM
Donuel 27 Mar 11 - 11:55 PM
GUEST,mg 27 Mar 11 - 11:29 PM
Donuel 27 Mar 11 - 11:19 PM
Charley Noble 27 Mar 11 - 09:47 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Mar 11 - 06:36 PM
GUEST,mg 27 Mar 11 - 05:01 PM
gnu 27 Mar 11 - 04:46 PM
Charley Noble 27 Mar 11 - 04:18 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Mar 11 - 03:46 PM
GUEST,mg 27 Mar 11 - 03:25 PM
Charley Noble 27 Mar 11 - 02:24 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Mar 11 - 01:07 PM
gnu 27 Mar 11 - 12:42 PM
GUEST,mg 27 Mar 11 - 12:15 PM
Charley Noble 27 Mar 11 - 12:11 PM
Donuel 27 Mar 11 - 11:42 AM
Donuel 27 Mar 11 - 11:35 AM
Charley Noble 27 Mar 11 - 10:06 AM
GUEST,999 27 Mar 11 - 08:49 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 27 Mar 11 - 08:06 AM
gnu 27 Mar 11 - 06:54 AM
GUEST,mg 26 Mar 11 - 10:07 PM
gnu 26 Mar 11 - 09:18 PM
Charley Noble 26 Mar 11 - 08:30 PM
gnu 26 Mar 11 - 04:52 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Mar 11 - 04:30 PM
Charley Noble 26 Mar 11 - 03:46 PM
GUEST,mg 26 Mar 11 - 02:54 PM
gnu 26 Mar 11 - 02:28 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Mar 11 - 01:44 PM
Charley Noble 26 Mar 11 - 01:38 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Mar 11 - 01:31 PM
Donuel 26 Mar 11 - 11:41 AM
gnu 26 Mar 11 - 11:27 AM
Charley Noble 26 Mar 11 - 10:30 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 26 Mar 11 - 07:58 AM
gnu 26 Mar 11 - 07:22 AM
Charley Noble 25 Mar 11 - 09:46 PM
gnu 25 Mar 11 - 07:34 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 25 Mar 11 - 05:51 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 25 Mar 11 - 05:17 PM
Charley Noble 25 Mar 11 - 03:37 PM
GUEST,mg 25 Mar 11 - 03:31 PM
gnu 25 Mar 11 - 03:19 PM
Charley Noble 25 Mar 11 - 03:12 PM
GUEST,mg 25 Mar 11 - 02:15 PM
JHW 25 Mar 11 - 02:14 PM
gnu 25 Mar 11 - 01:58 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 25 Mar 11 - 01:33 PM
gnu 25 Mar 11 - 01:10 PM
Charley Noble 25 Mar 11 - 08:37 AM
Charley Noble 25 Mar 11 - 08:11 AM
gnu 25 Mar 11 - 06:47 AM
gnu 25 Mar 11 - 06:33 AM
Charley Noble 24 Mar 11 - 08:40 PM
GUEST,mg 24 Mar 11 - 06:27 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Mar 11 - 05:58 PM
GUEST,mg 24 Mar 11 - 04:47 PM
gnu 24 Mar 11 - 04:10 PM
gnu 24 Mar 11 - 03:27 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Mar 11 - 03:12 PM
GUEST,mg 24 Mar 11 - 02:28 PM
gnu 24 Mar 11 - 02:02 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 24 Mar 11 - 01:29 PM
Charley Noble 24 Mar 11 - 11:56 AM
gnu 24 Mar 11 - 11:47 AM
gnu 24 Mar 11 - 11:28 AM
Donuel 24 Mar 11 - 11:19 AM
gnu 24 Mar 11 - 11:19 AM
Donuel 24 Mar 11 - 11:18 AM
SINSULL 24 Mar 11 - 11:11 AM
Donuel 24 Mar 11 - 10:18 AM
SINSULL 24 Mar 11 - 09:13 AM
Charley Noble 24 Mar 11 - 07:59 AM
Charley Noble 24 Mar 11 - 07:42 AM
Charley Noble 23 Mar 11 - 10:57 PM
Charley Noble 23 Mar 11 - 10:50 PM
Donuel 23 Mar 11 - 09:45 PM
gnu 23 Mar 11 - 02:20 PM
gnu 23 Mar 11 - 02:00 PM
GUEST,mg 23 Mar 11 - 01:59 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 23 Mar 11 - 01:20 PM
Dorothy Parshall 23 Mar 11 - 01:12 PM
Dorothy Parshall 23 Mar 11 - 01:09 PM
Donuel 23 Mar 11 - 01:02 PM
Charley Noble 23 Mar 11 - 09:54 AM
Charley Noble 23 Mar 11 - 09:45 AM
gnu 23 Mar 11 - 09:42 AM
gnu 23 Mar 11 - 08:40 AM
SINSULL 23 Mar 11 - 08:25 AM
Charley Noble 23 Mar 11 - 08:16 AM
SINSULL 23 Mar 11 - 08:02 AM
GUEST,Jim Martin 23 Mar 11 - 07:26 AM
Donuel 23 Mar 11 - 12:12 AM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 10:04 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 10:00 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 09:56 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 09:27 PM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 09:09 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 09:07 PM
GUEST,999--Canadian news source 22 Mar 11 - 09:06 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 08:59 PM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 08:48 PM
number 6 22 Mar 11 - 08:35 PM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 08:11 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 08:05 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 07:54 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 07:38 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 07:28 PM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 07:12 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 07:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 06:03 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 05:47 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 05:31 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 05:24 PM
SINSULL 22 Mar 11 - 05:04 PM
SINSULL 22 Mar 11 - 05:01 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 04:59 PM
gnu 22 Mar 11 - 04:35 PM
gnu 22 Mar 11 - 04:15 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 04:13 PM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 03:56 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 03:40 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 03:12 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 02:55 PM
SINSULL 22 Mar 11 - 02:50 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 02:44 PM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 02:19 PM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 02:15 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Mar 11 - 01:58 PM
reggie miles 22 Mar 11 - 01:37 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 01:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Mar 11 - 12:50 PM
GUEST,mg 22 Mar 11 - 12:42 PM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 12:22 PM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 11:53 AM
reggie miles 22 Mar 11 - 11:39 AM
reggie miles 22 Mar 11 - 11:37 AM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 11:27 AM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 10:23 AM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 08:27 AM
SINSULL 22 Mar 11 - 08:21 AM
Charley Noble 22 Mar 11 - 08:20 AM
gnu 22 Mar 11 - 08:07 AM
GUEST,999 22 Mar 11 - 06:44 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Mar 11 - 02:06 AM
Donuel 22 Mar 11 - 12:56 AM
Charley Noble 21 Mar 11 - 10:45 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Mar 11 - 08:00 PM
gnu 21 Mar 11 - 07:26 PM
gnu 21 Mar 11 - 06:15 PM
GUEST,mg 21 Mar 11 - 05:24 PM
Charley Noble 21 Mar 11 - 05:03 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Mar 11 - 04:44 PM
GUEST,mg 21 Mar 11 - 02:50 PM
gnu 21 Mar 11 - 02:18 PM
Charley Noble 21 Mar 11 - 01:06 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 21 Mar 11 - 12:54 PM
gnu 21 Mar 11 - 10:57 AM
gnu 21 Mar 11 - 10:55 AM
gnu 21 Mar 11 - 10:47 AM
SINSULL 21 Mar 11 - 08:41 AM
Charley Noble 21 Mar 11 - 07:41 AM
Charley Noble 20 Mar 11 - 09:05 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Mar 11 - 06:20 PM
gnu 20 Mar 11 - 04:33 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 20 Mar 11 - 03:33 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Mar 11 - 03:23 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Mar 11 - 03:13 PM
gnu 20 Mar 11 - 02:53 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 20 Mar 11 - 01:45 PM
gnu 20 Mar 11 - 11:57 AM
J-boy 19 Mar 11 - 10:53 PM
GUEST,mg 19 Mar 11 - 08:34 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Mar 11 - 08:03 PM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 06:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Mar 11 - 02:20 PM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 02:00 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Mar 11 - 01:54 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 19 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 19 Mar 11 - 01:25 PM
Stringsinger 19 Mar 11 - 01:20 PM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 01:19 PM
GUEST,mg 19 Mar 11 - 01:15 PM
Charley Noble 19 Mar 11 - 01:10 PM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 12:09 PM
Jack Campin 19 Mar 11 - 12:06 PM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 12:05 PM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 11:58 AM
Charley Noble 19 Mar 11 - 11:23 AM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 11:21 AM
Donuel 19 Mar 11 - 10:23 AM
Donuel 19 Mar 11 - 10:16 AM
GUEST,number 6 19 Mar 11 - 09:55 AM
Donuel 19 Mar 11 - 09:42 AM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 07:10 AM
Jack Campin 19 Mar 11 - 07:05 AM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 06:21 AM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 06:13 AM
gnu 19 Mar 11 - 05:39 AM
Charley Noble 19 Mar 11 - 12:12 AM
GUEST,mg 18 Mar 11 - 10:22 PM
Jack Campin 18 Mar 11 - 05:35 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 05:26 PM
GUEST,mg 18 Mar 11 - 05:21 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 05:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Mar 11 - 04:33 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 04:17 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Mar 11 - 03:57 PM
GUEST,mg 18 Mar 11 - 03:51 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 03:38 PM
Charley Noble 18 Mar 11 - 02:50 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 02:33 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Mar 11 - 02:12 PM
GUEST,mg 18 Mar 11 - 02:05 PM
Charley Noble 18 Mar 11 - 01:59 PM
GUEST,mg 18 Mar 11 - 01:16 PM
Jack Campin 18 Mar 11 - 01:11 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 12:59 PM
Charley Noble 18 Mar 11 - 12:42 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 12:33 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 12:30 PM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 11:52 AM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 11:49 AM
GUEST,number 6 18 Mar 11 - 11:35 AM
GUEST,number 6 18 Mar 11 - 11:31 AM
GUEST,mg 18 Mar 11 - 11:17 AM
SINSULL 18 Mar 11 - 11:11 AM
gnu 18 Mar 11 - 11:08 AM
Charley Noble 18 Mar 11 - 07:31 AM
Charley Noble 17 Mar 11 - 09:23 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 09:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 08:55 PM
GUEST,mg 17 Mar 11 - 07:51 PM
Charley Noble 17 Mar 11 - 07:31 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 06:41 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 06:21 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 06:17 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 06:14 PM
GUEST,mg 17 Mar 11 - 06:11 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 05:42 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 05:35 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 05:33 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 05:19 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 05:18 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 05:05 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 04:39 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 04:37 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 04:26 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 04:19 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 04:14 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 03:52 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 03:22 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 02:29 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 02:21 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 02:13 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 02:13 PM
Ebbie 17 Mar 11 - 02:07 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 02:01 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 01:59 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 01:57 PM
Donuel 17 Mar 11 - 01:57 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 01:50 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Mar 11 - 01:44 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 01:40 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 01:30 PM
Charley Noble 17 Mar 11 - 01:28 PM
GUEST,mg 17 Mar 11 - 01:24 PM
Charley Noble 17 Mar 11 - 01:22 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 17 Mar 11 - 01:18 PM
GUEST,Peter Laban 17 Mar 11 - 01:17 PM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 01:13 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 17 Mar 11 - 01:12 PM
Ebbie 17 Mar 11 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 12:48 PM
pdq 17 Mar 11 - 12:38 PM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 12:31 PM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 12:25 PM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 12:24 PM
Jack Campin 17 Mar 11 - 12:16 PM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 11:47 AM
olddude 17 Mar 11 - 11:43 AM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 11:39 AM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 11:20 AM
Jack Campin 17 Mar 11 - 11:17 AM
GUEST,999 17 Mar 11 - 10:44 AM
Charley Noble 17 Mar 11 - 09:44 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 17 Mar 11 - 08:04 AM
Charley Noble 17 Mar 11 - 07:58 AM
Jack Campin 17 Mar 11 - 06:58 AM
gnu 17 Mar 11 - 06:52 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 17 Mar 11 - 06:12 AM
Sandy Mc Lean 17 Mar 11 - 12:31 AM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 11:10 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 11:06 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 10:57 PM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 10:32 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 09:56 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Mar 11 - 09:08 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 08:50 PM
pdq 16 Mar 11 - 08:29 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 08:18 PM
olddude 16 Mar 11 - 08:15 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 08:03 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 07:42 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 07:40 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 07:35 PM
pdq 16 Mar 11 - 07:34 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 07:30 PM
pdq 16 Mar 11 - 07:25 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 07:14 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Mar 11 - 06:04 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Mar 11 - 05:52 PM
JohnInKansas 16 Mar 11 - 05:05 PM
GUEST,999 16 Mar 11 - 04:19 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 03:12 PM
GUEST,mg 16 Mar 11 - 03:06 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 02:57 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 02:55 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Mar 11 - 02:42 PM
GUEST,999 16 Mar 11 - 02:26 PM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 02:24 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 16 Mar 11 - 02:12 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 01:46 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 01:44 PM
GUEST,number 6 16 Mar 11 - 01:42 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 01:40 PM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 01:35 PM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 01:11 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 01:11 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 01:08 PM
GUEST,number 6 16 Mar 11 - 01:02 PM
Donuel 16 Mar 11 - 12:25 PM
SINSULL 16 Mar 11 - 11:57 AM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 11:31 AM
Bill D 16 Mar 11 - 11:25 AM
Stringsinger 16 Mar 11 - 11:01 AM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 10:26 AM
SINSULL 16 Mar 11 - 10:10 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 16 Mar 11 - 09:11 AM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 09:08 AM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 08:08 AM
GUEST,number 6 16 Mar 11 - 07:59 AM
Charley Noble 16 Mar 11 - 07:52 AM
Jack Campin 16 Mar 11 - 07:40 AM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 07:08 AM
gnu 16 Mar 11 - 05:51 AM
Ebbie 16 Mar 11 - 03:01 AM
J-boy 16 Mar 11 - 01:52 AM
mousethief 15 Mar 11 - 11:49 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 11:03 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 11:02 PM
GUEST,999 15 Mar 11 - 11:02 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 10:49 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 10:43 PM
Little Hawk 15 Mar 11 - 09:40 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 09:34 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 09:21 PM
GUEST,999 15 Mar 11 - 09:09 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 15 Mar 11 - 09:07 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 08:52 PM
bobad 15 Mar 11 - 08:27 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 07:59 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 07:42 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 07:33 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 07:04 PM
SINSULL 15 Mar 11 - 07:02 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 15 Mar 11 - 06:49 PM
Mrrzy 15 Mar 11 - 06:35 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 06:01 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 05:50 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 05:40 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 05:28 PM
GUEST,number 6 15 Mar 11 - 04:39 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 04:13 PM
pdq 15 Mar 11 - 04:11 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 03:51 PM
Jack Campin 15 Mar 11 - 03:43 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 03:26 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 03:18 PM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 03:07 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 15 Mar 11 - 02:55 PM
GUEST,number 6 15 Mar 11 - 02:41 PM
GUEST,999 15 Mar 11 - 02:37 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 02:22 PM
GUEST,number 6 15 Mar 11 - 01:50 PM
Sandy Mc Lean 15 Mar 11 - 01:23 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 01:20 PM
Stringsinger 15 Mar 11 - 01:12 PM
Little Hawk 15 Mar 11 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,number 6 15 Mar 11 - 12:52 PM
SINSULL 15 Mar 11 - 12:45 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 12:44 PM
Little Hawk 15 Mar 11 - 12:30 PM
josepp 15 Mar 11 - 12:27 PM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 12:18 PM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 11:52 AM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 11:51 AM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 10:40 AM
Sandy Mc Lean 15 Mar 11 - 10:14 AM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 10:03 AM
GUEST,number 6 15 Mar 11 - 09:59 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 15 Mar 11 - 09:57 AM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 09:21 AM
Jack Campin 15 Mar 11 - 09:14 AM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 09:09 AM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 08:48 AM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 08:43 AM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 08:40 AM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 08:29 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 15 Mar 11 - 08:16 AM
Charley Noble 15 Mar 11 - 08:13 AM
SINSULL 15 Mar 11 - 08:12 AM
bobad 15 Mar 11 - 08:05 AM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 07:45 AM
Jack Campin 15 Mar 11 - 07:38 AM
gnu 15 Mar 11 - 04:49 AM
Naemanson 15 Mar 11 - 03:39 AM
GUEST,999 15 Mar 11 - 12:27 AM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 12:22 AM
Donuel 15 Mar 11 - 12:16 AM
Sandy Mc Lean 14 Mar 11 - 11:33 PM
GUEST,999 14 Mar 11 - 11:20 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 11:11 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 11:07 PM
Charley Noble 14 Mar 11 - 10:40 PM
GUEST,999 14 Mar 11 - 10:24 PM
Jack Campin 14 Mar 11 - 10:19 PM
Jeri 14 Mar 11 - 10:18 PM
Charley Noble 14 Mar 11 - 10:16 PM
Jeri 14 Mar 11 - 10:16 PM
Charley Noble 14 Mar 11 - 09:26 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 09:13 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 14 Mar 11 - 08:42 PM
Charley Noble 14 Mar 11 - 08:16 PM
Jack Campin 14 Mar 11 - 08:13 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 08:00 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 07:49 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 07:47 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 07:40 PM
Donuel 14 Mar 11 - 07:38 PM
Jack Campin 14 Mar 11 - 07:36 PM
SINSULL 14 Mar 11 - 07:29 PM
Jack Campin 14 Mar 11 - 07:26 PM
GUEST,mg 14 Mar 11 - 07:14 PM
gnu 14 Mar 11 - 07:06 PM
Charley Noble 14 Mar 11 - 06:15 PM
Lizzie Cornish 1 14 Mar 11 - 05:54 PM
Charley Noble 14 Mar 11 - 03:25 PM
SINSULL 14 Mar 11 - 03:07 PM
gnu 14 Mar 11 - 03:04 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 14 Mar 11 - 02:34 PM
GUEST,999 14 Mar 11 - 02:04 PM
gnu 14 Mar 11 - 01:58 PM
Little Hawk 14 Mar 11 - 01:46 PM
Bill D 14 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 19 - 11:55 AM

How does this effect us? You should avoid apples grown in Washington State from orchards that surround Hanford.
Rick Perry does not know what to do since these materials* spilled their contents 2 years ago.
* It looks like collapsed tunnels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Jan 19 - 09:19 AM

Meanwhile nuclear waste doesn't just go away because Trump wants it to.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nuclear-waste-trump-radioactive-washington-state-hanford-atomic-bombs-a8719021.html

There is MUCH more crap stored there than in Fukushima.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 May 18 - 05:07 AM

Meanwhile in Antarctica...

Nukey poo


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:37 AM

How TEPCO shelved plans to tsunami-proof their nuclear plant:

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180411/p2a/00m/0na/018000c

You can bet the same story is being re-enacted right now at hazard-prone industrial installations the world over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Mar 18 - 07:22 AM

This is how bad the radiation inside the wrecked reactors is:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/radiation-fukushima-nuclear-plant-high-enough-kill-human-two-minutes-a7587646.html

Looks like they have much less chance of containing it than they did at Chernobyl.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Nov 17 - 08:38 AM

TEPCO want to dump thousands of tons of waste into the sea:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/tritium-nuclear-plant-tokyo-electric-power-company-nuclear-regulation-authority-japan-a7842931.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Oct 17 - 08:05 AM

Radiation has got to a completely unexpected place, beaches 60 miles away from the reactors:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171002161251.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 07:32 AM

The radiation levels are too high for robots to get in and see what's happening:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/robots-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-dying-probe-clean-up-tepco-toshiba-reactor-nuclear-radiation-a7612396.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 01:00 PM

If you look closely you can see the little tiny embankment that surrounds the cooling water reservoir.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/08/29/historic-flooding-grips-texas-groups-demand-nuclear-plant-be-shut-down

Jack Campin, This is too grim for people to hear about, don't you think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 09:33 AM

WE may not have an energy secretary right now but don't you think Rick Perry fixed this before he left?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 17 - 09:27 AM

Jack's links are best but here are locations


Arkem chemical plants have already failed by the same flooding scenarios as Fukashima. The generators shut down and the chemicals exploded.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 12:19 PM

And something more to worry about over the Hurricane Harvey flooding:

https://newspunch.com/texas-nuclear-fukushima/

They may be overstating the problem (how near is that to areas that have suffered the really heavy flooding?) but any large industrial installation on the Texas coast has to be running on luck given the likely effects of climate change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 08:54 PM

More on disasters waiting to happen in the US:

http://thebulletin.org/predictable-nuclear-accident-hanford10774

It's hard to see how the US can avoid an unprecedented catastrophe unless somebody takes decisive action. Not going to happen with a cabinet of headless chickens running the show.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 07:41 AM

The author of that article is Michael Lewis (of "The Big Short" and "Flash Boys") who is very good at this kind of techno-political reportage, pushing right to the edge of what he can find out and write without security clearance.

The sheer mindbogglingly headless-chicken indifference of the Trump administration confronted by (should-be) nonpartisan issues of sheer survival is nearly unbelievable. One major leak at Hanford and nobody will be able to get near the place to maintain any of it - and what happens then? They might as well bulldoze all of Fukushima into the sea because nobody will notice that little bit extra after Hanford lets go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jul 17 - 07:30 AM

Our Lord of the Fries President continues the Bannon ideology of tearing down government without any knowledge of what it does or tries to do.

The Hanford site has had loss of containment recently.

Not to be too biblical, avoid the Washington apples from the orchards surrounding the site and those downstream.

The steel barrels of radioactive waste dumped in the salt water sea have already corroded. The barrels on land have reached their breaking point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Jul 17 - 07:48 PM

A scary picture of who's (not) in charge of the deadliest nuclear threats facing the US:

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 05:54 PM

We're also getting our first videos of the melted down nuclear fuel in and around the reactor vessels, via robots with cams. Not a pretty sight.

Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 03:05 PM

TEPCO is planning to simply dump vast amounts of tritium-contaminated waste water into the ocean:

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2017/07/14/Japan-utility-plans-to-dump-radioactive-Fukushima-water-into-Pacific/7651500055813/


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 17 - 08:50 PM

Jack's NYT link to the waste is monumental.




A Million tons of radioactive waste water song:

A million tons 'and what do you get
another day deeper
in poisonous death
ol' St Peter
don't cha call me
cuz I can't go
I owe my soul
to poisonous flow

song... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Joo90ZWrUkU


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 25 May 17 - 08:25 PM

Jack, all of these concerns are now in the strong capable (or rather 'culpable') hands of the 'man' myth and legend....Rick Perry.

Two weeks into his appointment to be the secretary of the DOE he famously said "I'm in charge of what?!"

- he didn't know he was in charge of everything nuclear including our nuclear arsenal -


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 May 17 - 07:20 PM

The consequences of a US accident could be much worse than current official estimates:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170525141544.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 08:26 AM

Report on the ever-accumulating mass of waste around the reactors:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/world/asia/struggling-with-japans-nuclear-waste-six-years-after-disaster.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 14 Apr 17 - 07:36 PM

The Fukushima disaster sends Toshiba down the drain:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/91546053/the-end-is-looming-for-toshiba


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: mg
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 04:05 PM

i probably posted this before but can't read 1800 messages to confirm. anyway, little song to tune of boys of killybegs/meeting of the waters

Fishing's in our blood but now our boats are filled with mud
And our docks are smashed and scattered far and wide
And our nets and floats and gear are taken far from here
And they drift upon the ocean and the tide

Island folk are we who make our living from the sea
But we know too well the shaking of the ground
I jumped into my boat though fear was in my throat
And I passed by many men I knew would drown

For the island to be saved I had to head into that wave
I just did what any fisherman would do
30 meters high and it blotted out the sky
And I had to just hold on and plough on through

You across the seas who gather our debris
Do you hear our cries above the ocean's roar
And as our boats wash in do you think of all those men
Who will have fishing in their hearts forevermore


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Apr 17 - 10:29 AM

A new estimate of the cost of the disaster:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/04/01/national/real-cost-fukushima-disaster-will-reach-%C2%A570-trillion-triple-governments-estimate-think-tank/


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 08 Feb 17 - 08:07 AM

Latest reports in The Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/31/possible-nuclear-fuel-find-fukushima-plant

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/03/fukushima-daiichi-radiation-levels-highest-since-2011-meltdown


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Apr 16 - 01:38 PM

Donuel, I can't find the programme you mentioned on Al-Jazeera. Got a link?

I still want to believe that nuclear power can be safe and clean.

I've lost about 12 teeth now and I want to believe in the Tooth Fairy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 02:23 PM

I still want to believe ...

Sayeth Fox Mulder.

that nuclear power can be safe and clean.

And, perhaps, that global warming is a myth? About an equal chance, Joe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 11:33 AM

I have been watching Fukushima A Nuclear Story on Al Jazeera.
It is by an Italian Investigational Journalist who has lived in Japan for 30 years.

No punches are pulled.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Apr 16 - 08:36 AM

"Ice wall"? Sure, why not ry that. Nothing else seems to work very well and they are running out of space for more leaking storage tanks for radioactive contaminated cooling water.

This entire continuing disaster is a prime case study in "If anything can go wrong, it will, and well beyond anything planners imagined."

If you can't remember how this disaster began and what people thought about it at the time, use the Mudcat Wayback Machine, and check out the initial posts on this thread.

I believe, some thought my initial posts were "alarmist." Re-reading them now, I'm thinking I was too circumspect.

Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Apr 16 - 09:34 PM

Thanks for the link, gnu. The technology of all this is fascinating. I have to say that I don't know what to think. Although I know that there are many dangers connected with it, I still want to believe that nuclear power can be safe and clean.
So, I dunno.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 16 - 04:51 PM

Containment ice wall on. http://phys.org/news/2016-03-ice-wall-fukushima.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 13 Feb 16 - 07:22 AM

Some long-term biological effects of the Chernobyl accident:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160210110632.htm

How many people are going to go blind and never realize why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 15 Aug 15 - 11:15 AM

Oh great. The damn thing was just restarted after several years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 12 Jun 15 - 07:44 AM

Even more delays:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/

Still, better that & get it right (hopefully)!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 09:31 AM

Yes, this certainly is an on-going case study of disaster.

It's interesting to reading the initial reactions to this disaster in this thread: some thought posters were over-reacting. Some changed their minds as the dimensions of this disaster became more apparent. Some will never change their minds.

I know my concept of what a nuclear power disaster was radically upgraded. I hadn't thought about tsunamis as a threat, and I hadn't thought about how a disaster could be compounded with more than one reactor on site. The assumptions of the Japanese planners, and their American advisors, proved totally inadequate for dealing with the reality of this disaster.

Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 07:51 AM

A big part of the problem lies in the failure to design safety systems which themselves fail safe. Parking waste fuel rods on top of the reactors may have kept the problems local in a country desperate for space, but not removing them to be reprocessed at frequent intervals was an act of avarice amounting to criminal stupidity, found out when the tsunami killed the power keeping the coolant cool.
If there's one subject crying out for proper scientific study, it's examining error propagation, focusing on how the apparent chaos contains seeds for disaster nexuses, the pivot points where a stable problem becomes a disaster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 05:54 PM

Anybody here read this?

Helen Caldicott: Crisis without End


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 03:08 PM

http://fukushima-diary.com/2014/12/kyodo-news-censored-finnish-doctors-criticism-fukushima-report-unscear-unscear-dissolved/


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 18 Nov 14 - 05:45 PM

But... how do the oceans get cleaned up? Ahhh, therein lies the scrub.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 18 Nov 14 - 06:50 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 16 Nov 14 - 06:17 AM

6,000 workers on cleaning-up op - going to take 40 yrs!

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/13/fukushima-11bn-cleanup-will-take-another-40-years


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 05:44 PM

Butterflies near Fukushima being poisoned by radiation:

Summaries:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140923090244.htm
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-09/bc-fab091814.php

Full article:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/14/193


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 08:38 PM

Oops. The BBC has a sidebar of current stories, but one of their criteria of currentness is how many readers the story has. That occasionally produces glitches where old news looks like hot news, and it did that here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 08:32 PM

"2 November 2011 Last updated at 06:30?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 07:31 PM

Renewed fission activity in reactor 2:

radioactive xenon detected


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 14 - 07:14 AM

6.3 earthquake:

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/17464/20140313/japan-earthquake-news-update.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Mar 14 - 03:36 AM

The other night on television a crew with a helicopter landed on an Alaskan beach and they walked a section of the debris that is steadily accumulating, everything from styrofoam to plastic jugs to just plain trash. They said that the entire sea coast of Alaska is affected, and that when the politicos said they had found but very few that had indubitably traveled from Japan it was because they counted only items that had actual Japanese characters and words on them. They said that, based on previous data, the trash today is almost entirely from the tsunami.

If the currents bring trash here, there is little doubt but that they also bring less visible things.

Oh, for the days when we thought the oceans limitless!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 10:02 PM

Anybody got some numbers on how much radiation they're thinking of dumping?

I assume that means bye-bye to at least all inshore fisheries on the northern Pacific coast of Japan? How much further?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:55 PM

DRINK UP!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 02:53 PM

Fukushima operator may have to dump contaminated water into Pacific


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 03:38 PM

Let's try this. The linky no work....

http://rt.com/usa/workers-radiation-exposed-new-mexico-053/


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 07:53 AM

Thanks gnu, First real day of freedom from work since I was in my 20s. Unfortunately, I woke up at 5 am (I intended to sleep in:(

Yesterday, on my last day. I planned to keep a very low profile and just fade away. But, I was contacted by many past and current colleagues from all over the place. I admit, it was nice hearing from them. I strongly insisted on no "retiremet party". But, yesterday my boss (I guess she no longer is that) talked me into one into one for early March. I am still "iffy" about that?

Sometimes folks get into tussles (various levels) on mudcat (and like me. get carried away on the keyboard and send before thinking what I typed),for a variety of reasons. I suspect it is a given, considering the wide variation in participants and geography (combined with the nature of the keyboard. I trust that all of us could "go beyond that" and stay mudcat friends, at least at some level.

BTW, I even disagree with my cat each day - he normally wins. But< I am ok with that:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 07:00 AM

Congrats, Ed! I hope you enjoy retirement as much, or more, than the rest of us layabouts.

Thanks for the compliment and I return it equally, even though we may sometimes disagree to agree. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 01:01 PM

The nuclear waste storage plant near Carlsbad, New Mexico, has been re-opened after a three-week closure to repair the leak.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 07:19 AM

Gnu, the Cdn research is in place by " happenstance". Oceanographer, Dr Smith, has some 38 years in the job, and my guess he and his environmental research will end when he leaves. I suspect " the love of science" keeps him working. (Btw, nice to hear from you, I enjoy your insightful perspective to the site).

If you read the last part, it is clear that there is little US funding for this important environmental research either. It is sad tovsee scientists publically "beg for funds" to keep us healthy.

(On a related front,after 35 years in my current job, this is my last day at work. Fortunately, I have a replacement to "hand the torch to",a real luxury in today's downsizing climate. She is a very talented single mother in her mid twenties. It is rewarding and career-reflective to see the "enthusiasm for the job" in her eyes).


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 06:42 AM

Interesting article, Ed. Odd that the feds have no $ or inclination to assess the situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 08:09 PM

Yup. Nuclear power - the gift that keeps on giving.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 07:03 PM

Gnu, also in New Mexico, at Los Alamos National Laboratory, dumped material from experiments over the years is causing concern.
Recent reports cite a lack of money in the agencies that would do a clean-up.
The size of the problem is not fully known.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Feb 14 - 06:45 PM

North American scientists track incoming Fukushima plume  

BBC


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 04:31 PM

Thanks for keeping this thread up to date, gnu.

Nuclear power mishaps are the gift that keeps giving for 10,000 years.

Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 02:33 PM

New Mexico.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 06:31 AM

Refresh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 05:58 AM

Keep an eye to the media on next Monday, on research monitoring of radioactive materials in Pacific Ocean waters.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 05:10 AM

Serious water leak:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26254140


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 13 - 10:29 AM

SC leak


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 08:16 AM

"work to remove molten fuel from three neighbouring reactors that suffered meltdown won't begin for at least another six years."!

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/07/fukushima-nuclear-cleanup-spent-fuel


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 12:38 PM

It seems that the UK design review process has been extensive. 5 years, 27k manhours and $56M. Still, one has to wonder why a leader in nuclear tech would hire a foreign company to... oh, yeah, $ for the politicians and the rich men who pull their strings. EDF does have a lot of plants in France but I can't be arsed to look up their safety record. In any case, safety records are useless when yer playin catch with raw eggs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 07 Nov 13 - 06:51 AM

BBC latest:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24847381


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 04:25 PM

New plants proposed for UK. Chinese will be minority shareholders.
Some 3000 Chinese workers will be employed to build the plants. EDF France involved in the design and building of the first of two plants at Hinkley Point, SE England.
BBC News, www,france24.com, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Oct 13 - 02:31 PM

Meanwhile in South Korea - faked safety certificates:

http://www.newsdaily.com/article/86377ae2b18b923a2c7e94c6f818a245/update-1-stung-by-scandal-skorea-weighs-up-cost-of-curbing-nuclear-power


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 02:57 PM

Tether the chickens!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 08:14 AM

43 ft waves - hope they're ready!

http://phys.org/news/2013-10-nasa-satellites-typhoon-francisco-japan.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 08:35 AM

The reality becomes more surreal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 12:38 PM

An editorial in Mainichi criticizes Prime Minister Abe's comments which show a lack of a sense of crisis over the contaminated water (not only leaks, but the amount is becoming unmanageable).
Unless the contaminated water situation is brought under control, it will be impossible to decommission and dismantle the crippled reactors.
(The forecast of 40 years to dismantle the reactors already is uncertain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 17 Oct 13 - 07:07 AM

Latest from The Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/interactive/2013/oct/15/fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant-tsunami-cleanup-interactive

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/15/fukushima-nuclear-power-plant-cleanup


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 15 Oct 13 - 11:39 AM

Some on the clean up, the workers and plummeting morale:


The true scale of the problems facing Fukushima workers


And how a fridge manufacturer's cartoon egg with an unfortunate name became the mascotte of the Fukushima disaster:

Meet Fukuppy, the inadvertent Fukushima mascot


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 04:32 PM

Q! I didn't read the link so thanks for that edification. Scary as it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 01:32 PM

gnu, the cubic meters of waste to which I referred are the estimates for cleanup of contaminated communities and fields. Neighboring prefectures to Fukushima are being pushed to allow temporary storage; of course they are resisting.

The waste water storage is a separate matter, which seems to be getting out of hand.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 07:04 AM

Q... that a lotta litres! Pete... those are 6000 brave souls.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Oct 13 - 05:44 AM

Two more incidents this week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Oct 13 - 08:55 PM

Japan's Ministry of the Environment estimates that 18-28 million cubic meters of radioactive waste will be produced as a result of decontamination work in Fukushima Prefecture. Plans as to where to store the waste are uncertain.
Mainichi News Oct. 7, 2013.
http://mainichi.jp/english/english/

A meeting Sept. 30 discussed the accumulating contaminated water from cooling operations at Fukushima. No decision was taken as to who has the lead in tackling the problem- TEPCO or the government.
Oct. 1, 2013; Mainichi News


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Oct 13 - 01:48 PM

Jack-

I was reading about that near disaster aboard the British sub. Thinking "Nothing can go wrong" is not the right attitude when dealing with nuclear power plants. Most of the time things are boring but in those rare instances when things go wrong vigilance and skill is needed.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Oct 13 - 07:09 PM

Near miss at a naval base in England:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-24421402

The same events must be possible anywhere that nuclear submarines are repaired.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 09:33 PM

Latest from the 'Beeb':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24332346


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 02:53 AM

There is a new plan to stop the flow of contaminated water.
They are going to freeze the ground all around the site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 13 - 12:34 AM

I think I will patent and distribute * FUCKASHIMA WATER * as bottled water product.
A glow in the dark translucent bottle and cap feature a greenish brownish colored water while not dangerous, appears ghastly. Perhaps a open proof bottle could contain what appears to be a fish skeleton.

With some classic graphics of a Japanese tsunami on the label the product placement is for those who wish to give an ill will gift for their boss teacher or rival. Or it could just remind people of the catastrophe that will not stop for countless generations.

With a name like FUCKASHIMA its got to be good.


I'll get me coat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 11:38 PM

Pictures of contaminated soil taken off site:

https://www.google.ie/search?q=pictures+of+contaminated+soil+fukushima+taken+off+site&client=firefox-a&hs=DeX&rls=org.mozilla:en


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 30 Sep 13 - 11:33 PM

Reactors 5 & 6 to be scrapped!

http://fukushimaupdate.com/


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Sep 13 - 06:55 PM

The storage of contaminated water at Fukushima is not the only storage problem.

Contaminated soil from roads, farms, homes and woods in less contaminated areas- areas with annual doses of 50 millisieverts per year or less was promised by the end of fiscal 2013. The work is badly behind schedule. In the village of Iitate, only 3 percent of land scheduled for cleanup has been cleared.
There are no "mid-term" storage sites for the waste.

In an editorial in the Japanese daily, Mainichi, Sept. 12, 2913, it is recommended that methods other than decontamination be considered for the worst areas.

Current plans would permit people to return home if the dosage is 20 millisieverts or less per year, and to get the annual dose down to one millisievert per year level.

I have no idea as to whether these levels are safe.

http://mainichi.jp/english/english


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 12 Sep 13 - 11:42 AM

Another leak.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 04 Sep 13 - 05:10 AM

Radiation leaks now emit enough radiation to be fatal within hours.

Guardian report


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 09:42 PM

I am cautiously pessimistic about the success of this proposed plan...

I'm happy to hear that Japan is now appealing for international help.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 11:50 AM

The Guardian and other reports say the method is untested.
How can it be kept frozen over time? Moreover the core will continue to be "hot."

Completion of the frozen "wall" is expected by March, 2015, according to the Japan Times.
Money is also allocated to develop more powerful filtering equipment.

300 tons of groundwater are contaminated every day, according to the article by a staff writer of the newspaper.

A senior official, Shinkawa, said "We are deeply sorry for causing an international stir over this contaminated water problem." [!!!!!]


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 08:21 AM

This sounds crazy! - surrounding the area with permafrost may work but how is it going to stop the contaminated water sinking BELOW the site & getting into aquifers etc?:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/03/japan-ice-wall-fukushima-water


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:07 PM

"The owners of Vermont Yankee have voted to close down their old nuclear plant in 2014."

GREAT NEWS!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 09:39 PM

"Charley, I said two years back I thought you were over-reacting. I also said I'd apologize if you proved to be right. You were righter than I knew and much more informed than I was on this, that's for sure.

999"

I only wish I had been over-reacting...

Good news! The owners of Vermont Yankee have voted to close down their old nuclear plant in 2014. The plant was one of the first "boiling water reactors" ever made operational and was the model for the Fukushima nuclear reactors. A few days before the Fukushima disaster began the NRC had voted to extend Vermont Yankee's license for another 20 years. The Vermont Legislature and the Government waged a fierce legal battle to overturn the NRC decision but lost at every level int he courts. The NRC still has the final word on health and safety issues relating to nuclear power, and they were not about to reconsider their decision.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 04:01 PM

My old man got a "compassionate pension" from the CAF (read... yeah, we know what happened but we won't admit it in writing) for his exposure over the years and especially at Chalk River which was never named a disaster at the time.

He was at Upshot Knothole and others and he worked in the Ontario cobalt fields. They used to take their film tags off when they reached their weekly limit on Tuesday so they could continue to work. Then... the Chalk River cleanup. Call it ironic, maybe, but the English doc at the Saint John hospital finally said to me, "At this point, it's medical research." when I asked why they were giving him more radiation treatments. I told him I had promised Dad, at his request, that I wouldn't let him die in Saint John. He said he would arrange for an ambulace to take Dad to Moncton the next day. I asked why he couldn't do it that day. He said, "I think he deserves the final dose." I understood. Dad died at 6PM the next day... in Moncton. Irony? The radiation made him sick and the radiation euthanized him. It was rough but it was right. I think he knew and I think he agreed to go to Saint John for two reasons but I can type the words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 03:12 PM

The BBC News last night reported that levels were high enough to be lethal to the workmen who were trying to stem the leak.

How many will die as a result of this disaster will not be known for some time, but I expect many workmen were fatally exposed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:43 AM

Thanks yet again, Peter.

As such articles are of great importance, I believe copying certain ones herein for future reference is wise. If any mod feels otherwise for any reson, delete away...

Fukushima radiation levels 18 times higher than previously thought

Operator of Japanese nuclear power plant claims there has been no leak but has yet to discover cause of radiation spike

Justin McCurry in Tokyo

theguardian.com, Sunday 1 September 2013 10.22 BST


A Tepco employee in protective clothing works around water tanks at the Fukushima nuclear power plant in June. Photograph: Noboru Hashimoto/EPA


Radiation levels 18 times higher than previously reported have been found near a water storage tank at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant , prompting fresh concern over safety at the wrecked facility.


The plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco), said radiation near the bottom of the tank measured 1,800 millisieverts an hour – high enough to kill an exposed person in four hours.


Tepco said water levels inside the tank had not changed, indicating there had not been a leak. But the firm said it had yet to discover the cause of the radiation spike.


Last month, Tepco said another storage tank of the same design as the container causing concern this weekend had leaked 300 tonnes of radioactive water, possibly into the sea.


Japan's nuclear watchdog confirmed last week it had raised the severity of that leak from level 1 – an "anomaly" – to level 3 – a "serious incident" on an eight-point scale used by the International Atomic Energy Agency for radiological releases.


Earlier, the utility belatedly confirmed reports that a toxic mixture of groundwater and water being used to cool melted fuel lying deep inside the damaged reactors was seeping into the sea at a rate of about 300 tonnes a day.


Experts said those leaks, which are separate from the most recent incidents, may have started soon after the plant was struck by a powerful tsunami on 11 March 2011.


The tsunami smashed into the plant after Japan's north-east coast was rocked by a magnitude-9.0 earthquake. The waves killed almost 19,000 people, while the resulting triple meltdown at Fukushima Daiichi forced 160,000 people to abandon their homes.


The high radiation levels announced on Sunday highlighted the dangers facing thousands of workers as they attempt to contain, treat and store water safely, while preventing fuel assemblies damaged in the accident from going back into meltdown.


Japan's nuclear workers are allowed an annual accumulative radiation exposure of 50 millisieverts.


Tepco said radiation of 230 millisieverts an hour had been measured at another tank – up from 70 millisieverts last month. A third storage tank was emitting 70 millisieverts an hour, Tepco said. Radiation near a pipe connecting two other tanks had been measured at 230 millisieverts.


Tepco admitted recently that only two workers had initially been assigned to check more than 1,000 storage tanks on the site. Neither of the workers carried dosimeters to measure their exposure to radiation, and some inspections had not been properly recorded.


The firm responded to growing criticism of its handling of the water problem by increasing the number of workers patrolling the tanks from the current total of eight to 50.


The firm's inability to safely store contaminated water and prevent more damage to the environment has prompted doubts about its ability to lead the Fukushima Daiichi cleanup. Decommissioning the plant is expected to cost tens of billions of dollars and last around 40 years.


Tepco recently set up a committee to focus on the water leaks and said it would seek advice from foreign decommissioning experts. The prime minister, Shinzo Abe, has said the government will play a bigger role in preventing water contamination.


The chairman of the country's Nuclear Regulation Authority, Shunichi Tanaka, said: "We cannot fully stop contaminated water leaks right away. That's the reality. The water is still leaking in to the sea, and we should better assess its environmental impact."


Tepco's handling of the leaks has drawn an angry response from local fishermen, who had to abandon plans to conduct a trial catch at the end of August. Fishermen south of Fukushima Daiichi have not been able to fish commercially since the disaster, while those north of the plant can catch only octopus and whelks.


"We think that contaminated water management by your company has completely fallen apart," Hiroshi Kishi, chairman of the Japan Fisheries Co-operative, told Tepco's president, Naomi Hirose, during a meeting in Tokyo last week.


"This has dealt an immeasurable blow to the future of Japan's fishing industry, and we are extremely concerned."


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:01 AM

Radiation around one of the water tanks has now been found eighteen times higher than previously thought. The reason for this spike 'is as yet unknown'.

Article : Fukushima radiation levels eighteen times higher

And so it continues..


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Aug 13 - 10:39 PM

Charley, I said two years back I thought you were over-reacting. I also said I'd apologize if you proved to be right. You were righter than I knew and much more informed than I was on this, that's for sure.

999

PS When fish glow in the dark, is that a good thing?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 13 - 11:39 AM

"The tanks are only expected to last for 5 years, which is ridiculously short term when dealing with radiation."

The first tanks were sealed with rubber gaskets, as that was the fastest way to build a lot of them quickly. Later tanks have welded seams, but there seems no way to retrofit the older ones or build welded ones fast enough to deal with these new issues.

Fishing in the area is....ummmm... 'suspended'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 23 Aug 13 - 11:29 AM

As for nuclear power, in spite of incidents such as Chernobyl and Fukushima it's still probably the 'least worst' option for powering our civilisation.

No. It's the worst. And future generations - if there are any - are going to hate us for it. The technology exists to create effective renewable energy if we but liberated ourselves from idiot notions of centralised power production and the national grid.

There'd be more electricity than we could use - and as we all know fresh surplus 'leccy makes a delicious ice cream.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Blandiver
Date: 23 Aug 13 - 04:41 AM

The reality has eclipsed the ideal! We're all do(o)omed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWsQgmq-fNs


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Aug 13 - 03:22 AM

No, Ebbie, I don't have any children. For years I considered this to be something of a personal tragedy - now I'm not so sure.

As for nuclear power, in spite of incidents such as Chernobyl and Fukushima it's still probably the 'least worst' option for powering our civilisation. What amazes me about Fukushima is that the Japanese sited a nuclear power plant in an area prone to earthquakes and (subsequent) tsunamis ... and then an earthquake and a tsunami happened ... well, who would have thought it!

For more information on the stark choices that our species faces, I recommend that you read James Lovelock's book, 'The Revenge of Gaia' -I think that it may surprise you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 10:26 PM

@ Guest/Shimrod 3:50 AM: Do you have children? Anyone who has more than one child is contributing to the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 09:03 PM

The hundreds of tanks that were deployed at Fukushima for holding radioactive contaminated cooling water were a stop-gap measure to begin with. The fact that one has completely ruptured is not especially surprising given the haste with which they were cobbled together. The tanks are only expected to last for 5 years, which is ridiculously short term when dealing with radiation.

My respect for the Japanese nuclear engineers who are trying to manage this continuing disaster has diminished considerably. I'm afraid we'll be hearing more depressing news from this nuclear complex in the years to come.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 07:58 PM

Shimmy, me son. Not much at this point. As for the thread drift, *I* have a sense of humour. You should check that out as it's a good thing to have.

Thus ends any further conversation between you and I on this subject.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 01:43 PM

Ebbie speaking of global warming I am bemused that Washington DC itself is now flooding BENEATH Constitution Avenue.

You see the area west of the grassy mall used to be a creek that was diverted. The rise in water levels have repeatedly flooded the basements of the IRS, Treasury, Commerce and other important buildings to the point That a enormous cistern is now being dug under the Mall to hold the sewer and storm water from flooding Constitution Ave buildings and slow the flow to the water treatment plants that are routinely overwhelmed by the filth. When they say something is in the water in DC, they are not just kidding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 01:34 PM

When this class 7 Maximum disaster went directly from a class 1 incident the only people fooled were FOX viewers. The misinformation is beyond criminal, particularly for those in proximity to the site and within reach of the now radioactive ocean currents.

The seriousness of this slow motion disaster that will stretch on for millions of years has never ceased to be an ongoing cumulative event of staggering exponential sadness for Earth's creatures on land and at sea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 09:03 AM

Have you nothing sensible to contribute, gnu?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 05:51 AM

BIG thread drift warning...

Halfway thru the last post, I burst out laughing when a thought struck me. Shim rod versus shimrod. Childish? Yeah, but I am still smiling about several "after thoughts".

Sorry. Carry on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 03:50 AM

"Nuclear accidents, on the other hand, have the potential of harming everyone on the planet in a year. Or less."

Almost certainly not - nuclear accidents, although dangerous, are unlikely to be planet threatening.

To be honest, I'm far more terrified by a sight that I have to endure every day i.e. places, which just a few years ago, were green fields, covered in endless, and never-ending housing and industrial developments. My alarm clock radio woke me this morning with some git droning on about how we need MORE housing. This view that the environment is a bottle of infinite volume into which we can pour an infinite amount of stuff is far more dangerous and toxic than any nuclear power plant. Our species is under the impression that we own the planet and that it is here solely for our benefit and that we can do anything we like to it; this attitude will lead to our extinction long before any leaks of radioactivity!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Aug 13 - 03:01 AM

"Whenever I see people talking about 'safe' nuclear energy and the need to build more nuclear plants I am disgusted."

"Hell of a lot safer than the burning of fossil fuels - which will lead to catastrophic climate change!" Guest/Shimrod

I beg to disagree with you. "Catastrophic climate change" will indeed present a perhaps unresolvable emergency to our species. But that is a slow enough process that mankind has the possibility of dealing with it.

Nuclear accidents, on the other hand, have the potential of harming everyone on the planet in a year. Or less.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 06:30 PM

Indeed, Q. Seems obvious even to a dumb gnu. The other thing that seems obvious to me is the "distracting" way the linked article reads, to wit...

"The leak is the single most dangerous failure at the plant since the 2011 meltdown, which warranted the maximum level of seven on the severity scale, putting it on a par with the Chernobyl disaster 25 years earlier.

"Judging from the amount and the density of the radiation in the contaminated water that leaked ... a level three assessment is appropriate", the NRA said in a document posted on its website on Wednesday."

Am I misreading what I read? Is it a 3 or a 7 or an HF! (HOLY FUCK! This is FAR worse than Chernobyl!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 06:09 PM

"Whenever I see people talking about 'safe' nuclear energy and the need to build more nuclear plants I am disgusted."

Hell of a lot safer than the burning of fossil fuels - which will lead to catastrophic climate change!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 01:14 PM

The problem can only get worse. The core is still active. Containing and storing water could go on for ages.

"Steps" to contain will cost billions.

A new fusion plant is being constructed in southern France. Is this any safer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 05:10 AM

The Japanese nuclear watchdog ha now raised threat levels with regards to the leaking of contaminated water. The leak has been called the single most dangerous failure at the plant since the meltdown in 2011.

Fukushima warning : article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 08:15 PM

Yes, this is seriously troubling news. And it's a continuing disaster unlike other kinds of power plant disasters.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 02:00 PM

Ebbie. That is the REAL crux of the biscuit. Even if he PLANTS are safe, the waste NEVER will be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 11:03 AM

I watched a report on it last night. It hadn't occurred to me that the ocean bottom will gather and retain high radioactive levels for, what? generations? Scouring the bottom of an ocean is just not going to happen.

Whenever I see people talking about 'safe' nuclear energy and the need to build more nuclear plants I am disgusted.

#1: We don't know how to safely store the rods, even in the absence of an emergency.
#2: When - not if - an emergency occurs, we have no way of coping.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 03:36 AM

Article : Fukushima Leaks : Japan government wades in


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 07:10 AM

Thanks, Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Aug 13 - 07:01 AM

It is reported now the Japanese government will take 'immediate steps' now Tepco is unable to contain the contaminated groundwater arounf the plant. 300 tons of water are leaking into the ocean daily and have been doing so for two years.

Also reports (here) that the contamination levels of the water have increased 47 fold in just five days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 10:05 PM

I generally agree with Q for the present, with regard to the level of radiation spread to the far corners of the earth.

The radiation which has been accumulating in the bay adjacent to the Fukushima nuclear complex is much more concentrated, and should be of public concern. And the fact that the power company staff still cannot stop additional radioactively contaminated water from seeping into the bay is highly disturbing.

There is little reassurance from official sources that this nuclear disaster is fully under control.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 06:14 AM

My apologies for forgetting something. Here is the edited version of the last paragraph:

Should one buy a Geiger counter? >;-)




The future, of course, is yet to be. We'll see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 11:52 PM

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ahc-asc/media/ftr-ati/_2011/2011_111-eng.php


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 07:17 PM

Gnu, that blog or whatever you want to call it is one of those scare the hell out of them exaggerations from anti-GMO anti-everything
nutcakes.

Go to the U.S. FDA, or the Canadian equivalent.
http://www.fda.gov/ucm/groups/fdagov-publin/@fdagov-foods-gen/docurr
(or just google "acceptable radiation levels, Pacific fish" and look for a government release.

The radiation is slowly spreading from the Fukushima site, but is nowhere near unacceptable limits in fish sold in North America. It has not reached major N. Am. fisheries. The data at the site linked is 2 years old, but more up-to-date articles can be found, and show little difference.
See 2013 article in sciencedaily.com on Fukushima radiation "poses minimal threat"; google "Fukushima-derived radiation in seafood poses minimal health risk, experts say."

That there is a possible threat in the future is real; but FDA, etc., will keep track of the situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 06:36 PM

The Japanese public are not impressed with efforts to contain the disaster:

http://japandailypress.com/over-90-of-japanese-think-fukushima-disaster-not-under-control-survey-1932603/


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jul 13 - 05:23 PM

I have always preferred Atlantic Salmon. Tastes better.

Here is the latest scare I have seen. Dunno the quality of the source but it's obvious we all knew it... http://www.antigmofoods.com/2013/07/radiation-from-japan-is-already-killing.html

Should one buy a Geiger counter?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 07:29 PM

Pacific salmon- I love it, but do we get any from the Asian coastal waters?
See distribution map of the genus.
http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/about/

Googling Pacific salmon, range, provides a map of the ranges of Alaskan salmon species, suggesting separation, but I know too little about the ranges to comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Jul 13 - 02:32 PM

The leaks seem to be getting rapidly worse, particularly from reactor 2:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/07/201371020235219819.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jun 13 - 01:40 PM

It certainly bothers me. Some fish have ranges far outside coastal areas; are Pacific salmon, tuna, etc. that we buy in the can or market, guaranteed to have stayed away from contaminated waters?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jun 13 - 05:45 AM

Thanks, Q. Still simply scary!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 May 13 - 07:50 PM

Japan Times, May 21.
"Fukushima No. 1 Can't Keep Its Head Above Tainted Water."

"....workers continue to wage a desperate battle to keep the stricken reactors cool while trying to contain the 400tons of radioactive water produced by the process each day."
"Tokyo Electric Power must decommission the three reactors but the water is thwarting the effort. The decommissioning, if it ever starts, will take decades."
290,000 tons have been routed into 940 huge tanks, but 94,000 tons remain ....inside the building.

Tepco must perpetually pour water over the melted cores of reactors 1, 2 and 3 to prevent the fuel from melting and burning again.
The dangerous radioactive levels of the water in the basement prevent workers from fully assessing the damage, let alone starting decommissioning.

Groundwater is entering the basement and mixing with the contaminated coolant water.

Tepco is proposing dumping some of the contaminated water into the already contaminated sea, after processing to remove "most" of the radioactive isotopes.

The above adds to the post by Jack Campin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 May 13 - 10:53 AM

Fishermen in the area left with no real work and no future:

http://www.newsdaily.com/article/0832f62e5828a21c00db47642f1a6d27/rising-radioactive-spills-leave-fukushima-fishermen-floundering


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 May 13 - 09:01 PM

The only news I've picked up recently is that another derelict fishing boat has washed up on the California coast.

The major issue for the Japanese displaced from the evacuation zone, beyond their health and economic issues, is being shunned by the rest of Japanese society. That certainly happened to victims of the atomic bombing and is most likely happening to the victims of the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 08:33 PM

Sad in the beginning. Sad in the present non-existance. Sad in the future.

My only hope is that mistakes were learned and won't be repeated... no matter the $ cost.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 May 13 - 07:42 PM

Other stories about contaminated ground water, fish, and estimate of 40 years to "clean up" the Fukushima plant.
An area around the plant is closed to habitation and will remain so for many decades or more. A copy of Chernobyl. NO estimates on "clean-up."

The press is tired of the story but it is a continuing, unfolding disaster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 08 May 13 - 06:14 PM

Been a while and a Google doesn't bring up much news except crap like the spill wasn't a big deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 05:05 PM

Jim-

Yes, more grim reports:

Sample fish caught in waters near the stricken reactors suggest there is still a source of caesium either on the seafloor or still being discharged into the sea, perhaps from what is left of the cooling waters. As the levels of radioactive isotopes in the fish are not declining as fast as they should have, the outlook for fishing in the area is likely to be poor for the next 10 years, the paper's author told the Guardian.

"These fish could have to be banned for a long time. The most surprising thing for me was that the levels [of radioactivity] in the fish were not going down. There should have been much lower numbers," said Ken Buesseler, senior scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in the US, who wrote the paper titled Fishing For Answers Off Fukushima.


Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 26 Oct 12 - 11:56 AM

Latest report from The Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/25/fukushima-fish-inedible-decade-radioactivity


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 10:11 PM

gnu-

I was thinking the same within an hour of the initial reports, hoping that I was mistaken. Of course the disaster that unfolded that week was well beyond anything I had imagined, and except for bravery and luck, it could have been much worse.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 03:02 PM

Worse than Godzilla. It would be ironic if it were not so tragic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 02:12 PM

Here's another grim update on the troubles TPECO is having trying to deal with the ever increasing volume of radioactive contaminated water at the Fukushima nuclear complex: click here for report!

Masashi Goto, nuclear engineer and college lecturer, said the contaminated water build-up posed a big, long-term health and environmental threat.

He worried that the radioactive water in the basements may already be getting into the underground water system, where it could reach far beyond the plant via underground water channels, possibly in the ocean or public water supplies.

"There are pools of some 10,000 or 20,000 tonnes of contaminated water in each plant, and there are many of these, and to bring all these to one place would mean you would have to treat hundreds of thousands of tons of contaminated water which is mind-blowing in itself," Goto said.

"It's an outrageous amount, truly outrageous" Goto added.


Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 07:20 PM

I'll second that... those.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 06:00 PM

Thanks, MG.

Looking forward to hearing you featured at next year's Mystic Sea Music Festival.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 05:33 PM

Good song, MG.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 02:19 PM

It will wash up to my front door ...

Here is a song...based on a phrase they requested.."fishing is in our blood." There is a you tube video of a man who did exactly what the song says..jumped into his boat to save his island from being cut off from resources..before I could put a tune to it it jumped onto the Boys ofKillibegs...

TSUNAMI SONG

Fishing's in our blood but now our boats are filled with mud
And our docks are smashed and scattered far and wide
And our nets and floats and gear are taken far from here
And they drift upon the ocean and the tide

Island folk are we who make our living from the sea
But we know too well the shaking of the ground
I jumped into my boat though fear was in my throat
And I passed by many men I knew would drown

For the island to be saved I had to head into that wave
I just did what any fisherman would do
30 meters high and it blotted out the sky
And I had to just hold on and plough on through

You across the seas who gather our debris
Do you hear our cries above the ocean's roar
And as our ships wash in do you think of all those men
Who will have fishing in their blood forevermore


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 08:06 AM

Jim-

Thanks for posting the above link to this alarming report of radiation poisoning off the Alaskan coast.

The higher than normal deaths of seals and other sea life may well be related to the initial radioactive aerial plume that spread out through the area last March. The effects of low level radiation contamination are fiercely debated within the scientific community. The continuing impact of the Fukushima nuclear meltdown will certainly be a case study in this debate for years to come.

In addition to the radioactive plume in the air, there is the radioactive debris in the ocean described in the above report. Some of the items washing ashore may have been exposed to high levels of radiation, during the explosions and fires at the 4 reactor units in the nuclear complex. If so, they could be a threat to living creatures and plants for thousands of years.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 05:59 AM

Washington's Blog reports ring seals washing up possibly contaminated:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/09/fukushima-radiation-japan-irradiates-the-west-coast-of-north-america.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Oct 12 - 11:00 AM

Of course this story has long lost public attention, except for people in Japan. The direct consequences of this disaster will adversely impact generations of Japanese. But for the nuclear industry it is merely an annoying blip on their otherwise impeccable business plan. In five years, if not sooner, they will be "re-educating" the public through a multi-million dollar ad campaign that nuclear energy is the clean and safe alternative to fossil fuels.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 08:49 PM

That is disconcerting. BUT... "managers" don't lose their jobs and entire careers when they fuck up BAD. So, they did what they needed to do.

Humans are gonna fuck up the works. Just a matter of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Oct 12 - 08:42 PM

I suppose I could have posted this update months ago but TEPCO just released its statement today, admitting that they knew that additional measures needed to be taken to safeguard their nuclear plant complex from tsunamis: Click here for report

"It was possible to take action in regard of tsunami defense based on the company's earlier tsunami evaluations and it was also possible to diversify safety systems by referencing severe accident measures taken in other countries, the draft also said."

If those measures had been taken the entire disaster might have been avoided. The plant managers worried that if more measures were taken, the public would conclude that nuclear power was unsafe. Shit!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Aug 12 - 09:45 AM

"Tepco has bowed to pressure to release 150 hours of teleconferencing footage but the tape was heavily edited and mostly muted to "protect employees' privacy".

So you could see the back of former PM Naoto Kan, who appeared angry in the tape, but you could not hear him as only one third of the released footage was audible.

The other parts showed workers' frustration with Mr Kan as well as the then plant manager of the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, Masao Yoshida, asking his management to stop asking him so many questions and not to disturb him."

Always interesting to gain a little more knowledge of what went on, and, of course, more questions arise.

The nuclear industry, however, marches on, hoping that the public will soon forget this unseemly event. I've been attending a national meeting of state legislators this week in Chicago, my wife is a legislative staff person, and I was not surprised at the "fact sheet" I found at a booth of the Nuclear Energy Institute; it was dated 2010 and there was no mention of Fukushima. There was also not a clue how many thousands of years "spent fuel" was dangerous to humans and other living things. And they still identified Yucca Mountain as the national repository for high level nuclear waste, funding has been withdrawn and it is no longer considered a viable storage option.

Charley Noble, adrift in Chicago


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Aug 12 - 01:29 PM

TEPCO releases recordings of Fukushima nuclear crisis

'Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco), owner of the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, has released footage of how it managed meltdowns in three reactors.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 01:28 PM

The major conclusion of the article is that Fukashima lack of preparation for a complex catastrophe with multiple nuclear plants on site is not unique. The same critique is sadly true of many nuclear complexes in the States as well as those in other parts of the world.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Jul 12 - 10:00 AM

'New report on Fukushima casts doubt on other nuclear facilities' preparedness for complex catastrophe'

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 09:22 PM

And... when they told the lads to shield their eyes with their hands at the test blasts. They could see the bones in their hands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 07:57 PM

Sad but true.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 11:35 AM

My old man and his mates did it at the cleanup of the disaster in Chalk River and also in the course of daily duties dealing with cobalt. All have/had extensive cancer(s). No doubt it occurred elsewhere, USA too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Jul 12 - 11:28 AM

Wonder where that executive was at the time and did his badge have a foil cover? What else did they lie about? Guess we have to wait 40 years to find out like Chernobyl and Three Mile Island we will wait for the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 11:54 AM

Where's Harry Kerry when ya need him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 11:24 AM

Jack-

Thanks for the update:

Between November and March this year, a group of Build-Up employees were working at Fukushima, trying to restore facilities.

In December, a Build-Up executive told them to cover their dosimeters with lead casings when working in areas with high radiation.

Otherwise, he warned, they would quickly reach the legal limit of 50 millisieverts' exposure in a year, and they would have to stop working.


Hope they get sued and put in jail big time.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Jul 12 - 07:15 AM

TEPCO told workers at Fukushima to disable their dosimeters with lead foil:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18936831


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Jul 12 - 08:38 AM

The good news is that TEPCO is beginning the process of shifting the highly radioactive used fuel rods from the spent fuel pool at the No. 4 reactor to one of its large centralized spent fuel pools. They've shifted two rods so far with another 1400 or so to go. At this rate they'll complete the job in two to three years.

The bad news is the walls of the damaged reactor building are now bulging and if the building collapsed the spent fuel pool would be breached as well, and there would be a catastrophic meltdown of the remaining used fuel rods, with no containment. It always struck nuclear power critics as dangerous to have large spent fuel pools designed above the reactor vessels in these buildings. True, it made shifting fuel rods out of the reactor very convenient but they were still very dangerous and required long term cooling. It would have been safer to have shifted them off-site to a centralized facility after a relatively short period of cooling.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:46 PM

Thanks, Jack.

I suppose I have to do my homework now and try to summarize this. But not today!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:46 PM

There's only so much time in a day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:20 PM

Okay, got the report now. VERY interesting reading. They have uncovered a lot of fuckups the media hasn't covered at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jul 12 - 01:46 PM

The BBC on an official report on just how badly TEPCO screwed up:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18751374

The report itself (still downloading for me, seems a slow server):

http://naiic.go.jp/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NAIIC_report_lo_res.pdf


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 May 12 - 07:56 AM

I'm reminded about the spike in childhood leukemias that was observed around the Maine Yankee nuclear plant, within its evacuation zone. We had a devil of a time getting the state health agency to collect the information and then release it for our analysis. And once the maps were produced showing an increase in the prevailing wind zones of the plant over several decades, we still couldn't get "real scientists" to initiate more systematic research.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 30 May 12 - 11:52 PM

Remember the idiot people at some official fisheries in US refusing to test fish right away for a baseline? Oh it just was not necessary.

We are awaiting the tsunami debris where I live..probably radioactive salmon too. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 May 12 - 10:53 PM

The amount of radioactive cesium measured in these bluefin tuna does appear quite "trivial" for now but that's not to say other fish, especially the carnivores, may accumulate greater concentrations. The safe thing would be to do systematic testing before more highly radioactive fish make their way to the market.

Unfortunately by the time scientists document the impact of the Fukushima disaster on the surrounding population it will be too late to do much to help the people affected. Some cancers take decades to develop.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 30 May 12 - 07:45 PM

On the tuna (NPR):
Yes, radiation in seafood seems scary. But here's the catch (if you pardon the expression). Tuna, like every other food on the planet, already contains naturally occurring radiation. It has potassium-40 and polonium-210. It always has and it always will. In addition, seafood in general contains a trace of cesium-137 left over from nuclear weapons testing in the 1950s and 1960s.

So the question is, how much more radiation did these particular tuna fish contain? The answer is: A trivial amount. In fact, radiation from the cesium is 30 times less than the radiation that's already in the fish naturally in the form of potassium-40, according to the research paper. And the natural polonium-210 packs a radiation dose 200 times larger than the dose from the cesium.

Really, the result is a testament to how well scientists can now measure tiny amounts of radiation. And of course it's a remarkable lesson in how wildlife can be traced using accidental "tags" instead of using the labor-intensive plastic ones.

If you are still worried about the cesium from Fukushima, Robert Emery at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston says you'd need to eat 2.5 to 4 tons of tuna in a year to get a dose of cesium-137 that exceeds health limits. That's a lot of sushi.


and from Nature on direct effects of Fukushima radiation on people:
The large population involved could mean that the eventual number of radiation-induced cancers among the public will actually be higher than among workers, even though the risk to each individual civilian is tiny, says David Brenner, a radiologist at Columbia University in New York city. But he doubts a direct link will ever be definitively made. Under normal circumstances, "40% of everybody will get cancer", he says. "It doesn't seem to me that it's possible to do an epidemiological study that will see an increased risk." Still, it may be valuable to conduct studies to reassure the population that they are not being misled, he adds.

A far greater health risk may come from the psychological stress created by the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear disaster. After Chernobyl, evacuees were more likely to experience post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) than the population as a whole, according to Evelyn Bromet, a psychiatric epidemiologist at the State University of New York, Stony Brook. The risk may be even greater at Fukushima. "I've never seen PTSD questionnaires like this," she says of a survey being conducted by Fukushima Medical University. People are "utterly fearful and deeply angry. There's nobody that they trust any more for information."


~ Becky in Tucson


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 May 12 - 07:48 AM

Oh, and there's a cherry report from Southern California. Evidently the San Onofre nuclear power plant operating in an earthquake/Tsunami zone has been operating with defective safety backup equipment since 1981.

Equipment used for decades at California's troubled San Onofre nuclear power plant might have temporarily severed the plant's emergency power supply during an earthquake.
Operator Southern California Edison said Tuesday it's disabled the equipment and is investigating.

The company reported the issue to federal regulators as "an unanalyzed condition that significantly degraded plant safety."

Edison says other backup systems were in place.

At issue are vibration sensors in use since 1981 on emergency diesel generators. The generators start if the plant loses its outside power supply — a possibility during an earthquake.

But engineers at the idled plant between Los Angeles and San Diego found the sensors might incorrectly shut down the generators during an earthquake.

The plant needs power to control heat in the twin reactors.


Have a nice day!

Charley "Sunshine" Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 May 12 - 07:39 AM

"I suppose on the bright side, scientists will be able to map the migration patterns of their favorite fish more accurately because of this nuclear disaster."

Well, today I heard on NPR scientists gushing over their good fortune in now having a better way to track fish migration, all thanks to the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Q-

Thanks for the additional reference to "Former Japanese PM Naoto Kan called for end to nuclear power in Japan." This is not an experience that will be forgotten soon in Japan, unlike here in the States or Canada.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 May 12 - 02:28 PM

Former Japanese PM Naoto Kan called for end to nuclear power in Japan. He said the Fukushima accident had pushed Japan to the brink of "national collapse."
He warned that the politically powerful nuclear industry was trying to push Japan back toward nuclear power despite "showing no remorse" for the accident.
Mr. Kan said the accident had brought Japan to the brink of evacuating metropolitan Tokyo and its 30 million residents, and that the loss of the capital would have paralyzed the national government, leading to "a collapse of the nation's ability to function."

NY Times, "Japan's Former Leader Condemns Nuclear Power," Martin Fackler, Published May 28, 2012.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 May 12 - 11:44 AM

Welcome back, Donuel!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 29 May 12 - 10:04 AM

This year I am replacing all the water in the big pool.

Swimming in two years worth of rain and resevoir water is not wise when radioactive particles have been found here in car air filters and local milk, tied directly to Japan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 May 12 - 08:41 AM

bobad-

The report of radioactively contaminated bluefin tuna off California should have been anticipated, given their diet and their migration pattern. I suppose on the bright side, scientists will be able to map the migration patterns of their favorite fish more accurately because of this nuclear disaster.

gnu-

No, I'd rather not hear more bad news about the nuclear complex at Point Le Preau, New Brunswick. As I recall, these CAN-DU plants are designed to be refueled without even shutting them down. It's no wonder they cough up some radioactive gunk or gas every once in a while.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 29 May 12 - 06:28 AM

Radioactive bluefin tuna from Japan found in U.S. waters

For the first time, scientists have discovered that tuna contaminated by last year's radiation leak from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant have crossed the Pacific Ocean into U.S. waters, according to the Associated Press. Scientists have been startled to discover the radioactive fish some 6,000 miles from their place of origin, the first time that large, migrating fish have been shown to carry contaminants over such a great distance.

Normally, radiation and other contaminants are found in smaller fish and plankton, and only in waters close to the source of contamination. However, levels of radioactive cesium have been found at ten times the normal levels in fish off of the coast of California. The current levels, say officials, are still below the levels considered unsafe by the U.S. and Japanese governments.

In March of 2011, a massive earthquake and devastating tsunami struck northeastern Japan, killing thousands and reducing entire towns to mud and rubble. The Fukushima nuclear plant was caught unprepared for the disaster, and subsequently multiple reactors at the plant melted down, spewing radioactive materials into the air and water and triggering mass evacuations.

Bluefin tuna are large, fast-swimming fish, growing up to ten feet in length and weighing up to half a ton. The fish swim at "breakneck" speeds and cross the oceans to feed and mate.

Scientists tested tuna from other regions to discover if the cesium-134 and cesium-137 found in the fish might have come from somewhere else, or if the fish had ingested plankton from water affected by the radiation leak.

Ken Woeller of the Woods Hole National Oceanographic Institute is an outside researcher who was consulted by the investigation. He said the results "are unequivocal. Fukushima was the source."

The Raw Story


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 12 - 07:32 PM

Oops! Make that the third. And the biggest, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 12 - 07:25 PM

Charley... LePreau just had it's second spill of heavy shit in 6 months during tests. Goes back online in September. I am 90 miles away... you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 May 12 - 04:02 PM

Kan is a brave man to come to this conclusion and make an effort to bring about a radical shift in Japan's nuclear power policy. He speaks from experience and with the support of the public, he just might achieve that goal. I'm surprised but delighted.

Nuclear power plants always have some risk of disaster but being sited in an active earthquake/tsunami zone is clearly unacceptable.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 28 May 12 - 03:00 PM

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120528_27.html

Former PM calls for Japan to end nuclear power

Former Japanese prime minister Naoto Kan says the nuclear accident at Fukushima convinced him that, for safety's sake, Japan must end its dependence on nuclear energy.

Kan on Monday attended a hearing of a panel appointed by the Diet to investigate the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant that began on March 11th of last year.
He blamed the government for promoting nuclear power as a national policy. He apologized for failing to prevent the accident as the head of government at the time.

Kan said a nuclear safety agency said nothing about what would happen in such an accident, nor did the government receive information from other sources. He added that he feared the situation could get out of control.
Kan acknowledged that the plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company, consulted the government about evacuating plant workers.

He said that when the industry minister informed him of the workers' possible withdrawal, he thought it was out of the question.

Kan said that he told Tokyo Electric President Masataka Shimizu that the government would not allow the workers to leave, and Shimizu complied.

The former prime minister criticized what he calls an inner circle of nuclear policymakers, experts and businesses for trying to hold on to their power without doing any soul-searching after the accident.

He said disbanding the circle is the first step in a comprehensive reform of nuclear policy.

He also said the accident could have jeopardized state functions, and that he is convinced that the safest way forward for Japan is to end its nuclear power generation.

The panel plans to compile a report on its investigation by next month at the earliest, and submit it to the heads of both chambers of the Diet.

May 28, 2012 - Updated 10:23 UTC (19:23 JST)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 May 12 - 08:49 AM

gnu-

There aren't a lot of other choices to make in terms of managing this disaster. Someone has to clean it up and TEPCO as a privately run industry certainly can't attract new investment capital at this point to do the job.

Unfortunately for the company, their assumptions about what they needed to do to safeguard their investment at this nuclear complex proved woefully unrealistic. The same is true for many other nuclear power plants around the world.

I doubt if the private investors will ever get back their money in this case. That doesn't necessarily follow from what I read in the report.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 16 May 12 - 06:20 PM

We all knew that was coming eventually. All them there rich folk can't lose THEIR money eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 09:19 PM

gnu-

At least Japan is taking the threat of continued reliance on nuclear power seriously. Wish I could say the same about recent decisions by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, as they extend the operating licenses of aging nuclear plants in the States; Vermont Yankee is the one I follow most closely and the State Governor and the Legislature are opposed to an extension but the NRC is steaming ahead.

Charley Noblew


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 18 Apr 12 - 03:36 PM

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:42am EDT

By Yoko Kubota

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan will within weeks have no nuclear power for the first time in more than 40 years, after the trade minister said two reactors idled after the Fukushima disaster would not be back online before the last one currently operating is shut down.

Trade Minister Yukio Edano signaled it would take at least several weeks before the government, keen to avoid a power crunch, can give a final go-ahead to restarts, meaning Japan is set on May 6 to mark its first nuclear power-free day since 1970.

"If we thoroughly go through the procedure, it would be (on or) after May 6 even if we could restart them," Edano told a news conference, adding that whether they can actually be brought back online is still up to ongoing discussions.

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, where a huge earthquake and tsunami in March 2011 triggered radiation leaks, has hammered public faith in nuclear power and prevented the restart of reactors shut down for regular maintenance checks, with all but one of 54 reactors now offline.

Nuclear power accounted for about 30 percent of Japan's electricity demand before the Fukushima crisis.

In discussing restarts of the No.3 and No.4 reactors at Kansai Electric's Ohi nuclear power plant, in western Japan, the first to clear the government's technical review on resilience against a severe event, Tokyo has said it wants local backing even though it is not legally required.

The hosts of the Ohi plant - the governor of Fukui prefecture and mayor of Ohi town, some 360 km (225 miles) southwest of Tokyo - told Edano on Saturday that some conditions should be met before they can make a decision.

These included a safety review by an expert panel formed by the prefecture and backing from areas neighboring Fukui that are becoming increasingly vocal about possible radiation damage in the event of an accident at any of the 13 reactors in Fukui.

Exactly when Fukui Governor Issei Nishikawa and Ohi Mayor Shinobu Tokioka will make decisions is unclear.

Members of the expert panel will be visiting the Ohi plant on Wednesday and are likely to meet several more times before they reach a conclusion, while the Fukui assembly may meet as early as next week to discuss whether they can back the restarts, Masao Sato, a member of the assembly, told Reuters.

Ohi town told Reuters in March that it conditionally backed the restart. Fukui governor Nishikawa told Edano on Saturday that, while the government has addressed some of Fukui's concerns, more discussions were needed on safety.

While a looming summertime power crunch is a headache throughout Japan, Kansai Electric's service region, including Japan's second biggest metropolitan area of Osaka, is particularly vulnerable as nuclear power met more than 40 percent of power needs prior to the Fukushima crisis.

Electricity generated by the Ohi No.3 and 4 reactors accounted for around 1.8 percent of the total amount of electricity generated in Japan in the business year 2009/10, data from the trade ministry and the Federation of Electric Power Companies in Japan showed.

Edano said that the government may have to protectively come up with plans for rolling blackouts.

"We absolutely cannot let power go out suddenly," he said.

The governors of Shiga and Kyoto prefectures, bordering Fukui, on Tuesday outlined recommendations for the central government on restarting reactors, including publicizing views from independent organizations on reactor safety.

The last time Japan saw a nuclear power-free period was the five days ended on May 4, 1970, when the two reactors then existing were both shut for maintenance, according to the Federation of Electric Power Companies of Japan.

(Additional reporting by Yoshiyuki Osada in Kyoto; Editing by Alex Richardson)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 08:05 AM

gnu-

I seem to remember that a young Jimmy Carter was involved in heroic efforts to deal with one of the evolving Chalk River nuclear accidents.

It is sad when authorities conspire to deny the tie between low-level radiation exposure and cancer. It's always hard to prove. But family and friends have to live with the bitter result.

One of our best friends who worked for years as an auxiliary operator at the Maine Yankee nuclear plant, died years later of lung cancer. He was a non-smoker and later quit his job at the plant because of what he perceived as lax operating procedures. We still miss him.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 04:20 PM

I have posted about my father working in Ground Nuclear defense in the RCAF. Also posted about him working in the Ontario cobalt fields and being at nuclear tests in the US. There are others.

Visited my uncle on the weekend. Did not know... he was one of 50 RCAF sent in to clean up the Chalk River "incident" in 1952.

Wiki...

"the 1952 NRX-incident

Chalk River was also the site of two nuclear accidents in the 1950s. The first incident occurred in 1952, when there was a power surge and partial loss of coolant in the NRX reactor which resulted in significant damage to the core. The control-rods could not be lowered into the core, because of mechanical problems and human errors. Three rods did not reach their destination, and were taken out again by accident. The fuel-rods were overheated, resulting in a meltdown. The reactor and the reactor-building were seriously damaged by hydrogen-explosions. The seal of the reactor-vessel was blown up four feet. In the cellar of the building some 4.500 tons of radioactive water was found. This water was dumped in ditches around 1600 meters from the border of the Ottawa River. During this accident some 10.000 curie or 370 TBq was released.[3"

After years of a group of vets fighting the Canuck government, three months after he died, a pension for his premature death was issued, along with a letter saying there was no connection and the pension was a "compassionate" pension.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 03:30 PM

Troubling news.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 08:26 AM

Certainly very grim news.

This nuclear disaster is clearly worse than Chernobyl in terms of the amount of nuclear fuel melted down. And it seems as if the decommissioning of these three reactors, plus Unit 4 (which no one seems willing to address), will take decades to accomplish.

And some folks called us "alarmists" at the beginning of this thread.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 08:01 AM

The Guardian had this article yesterday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 29 Mar 12 - 06:41 AM

Damage to reactor 2 much worse than previously thought:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17533398


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 05:24 PM

Peter Ladkin's paper is well worth reading.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 03:53 PM

Video won't feed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 08:56 PM

Hazard analysis of Fukushima from a symposium on system safety:

Peter Ladkin paper in pdf

Ladkin's video presentation


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 09:57 AM

More anniversary prompted stuff:

An interactive photoseries, devastation after the tsunami, and same scene after a year's worth of clean up : Here


Article : Dramatic fall in new nuclear powerstations after Fukushima


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 10:47 PM

Gnu-

So in ten thousand years they will be in deep do-do.

Good thing that the half-life of high level nuclear waste is only 25,000 years...

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 03:27 PM

At the last rate of rise I could find, ~ 3mm per year, thats a foot in 100 years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 07 Mar 12 - 08:07 AM

On that note the following article is of interest:

UK Nuclear sites at risk of flooding, report shows


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Mar 12 - 05:01 PM

I don't usually post long reports but this one is important and a link does not have a long half-life.

Here's a long update from the Union of Concerned Scientists, where things are at after our experience with the Fukushima nuclear disaster:

The devastating disaster in Fukushima, Japan nearly one year ago showed us that, while the likelihood of a nuclear power plant accident is low, its consequences can be grave. The truth is, an accident like the one at the Fukushima Daiiachi nuclear plant could happen here. An equipment malfunction, a fire, a natural disaster or terrorist attack, or even human error could, separately or in combination, lead to a nuclear crisis.

Some proponents of new, smaller reactor designs claim that these plants will be "inherently" safer. But we have learned the hard way that real safety comes only from careful planning, regulation, and enforcement. That's why we at the Union of Concerned Scientists have offered a series of recommendations to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) for changes we need to make nuclear reactors in the United States safer.

First of all, the NRC does not currently require U.S. reactor owners to plan for or to be able to cope with a severe accident such as the one that occurred in Japan. For instance, we believe these reactor owners need to develop and thoroughly test emergency procedures for situations when no electrical power is available for an extended period. Fukushima demonstrated clearly the disaster than can ensue when a nuclear plant is deprived of power for an extended period of time, as happened after the tsunami there. We are urging significantly more stringent requirements that all U.S. reactors be designed to safely cope with prolonged loss of electrical power.

Similarly, the NRC should require reactor owners to develop emergency plans for a larger area than the current 10-mile radius around each U.S. reactor now required. The areas we propose would be based on a scientific assessment of the site, including issues like population density, prevailing weather patterns, and other site-specific factors.

Finally, the Fukushima crisis illustrated the dangers of keeping spent fuel in storage pools when the plant loses the power needed to cool these pools. The safety and security risks associated with spent fuel can be significant reduced by transferring the fuel from pools to dry casks once it is cool enough (i.e. five years after removal from the reactor). This change will entail a significant capital investment, but the Fukushima disaster showed that the costs of inaction can be far greater.

As we document in our new report U.S. Nuclear Power Safety One Year After Fukushima, none of these recommendations—or the recommendations from the six-member task force the NRC appointed to examine the Fukushima accident—have yet been implemented at U.S. reactors as the first anniversary of the tragedy nears. While we understand that it will take some time to develop the right approach, we don't want to see a repeat of what happened after the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City. In that instance, it took nearly 10 years for the NRC to fully implement new regulations for reactor owners to cope with the aftermath of a terrorist aircraft attack—and even then, the final measures were insufficient.

It is the NRC's job to make sure all Americans are adequately protected and we will continue to work to hold them to that standard. These common-sense changes, among others, would go far to making U.S. nuclear reactors safer. You can help by staying informed about this important issue and vocally supporting efforts to put safety first when it comes to nuclear power in the United States .

Dr. Edwin Lyman is an internationally recognized expert on nuclear proliferation and nuclear terrorism as well as nuclear power safety and security. Before joining UCS, Lyman was president of the Nuclear Control Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based organization focused on nuclear proliferation. He earned a doctorate degree in physics from Cornell University in 1992.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Mar 12 - 08:43 AM

Jim-

Thanks for posting the reporter's "tour" experience.

There is still no update of what happened in demolished Reactor Unit 4. Curious.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 09:33 PM

Yesterday's Guardian article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/28/fukushima-visit-full-face-mask?INTCMP=SRCH


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 01:40 PM

My impression of the PBS Frontline report was that it provided a good update and overview of this nuclear disaster, and pointed out how close it came to becoming much worse. At one point TEPCO evidently was ready to evacuate all its staff from the site and simply let whatever was going to happen, happen. They were over-ruled by the Prime Minister.

The accident itself was way beyond the script of what was thought to be a possible accident, which is still true of several nuclear plants here in the States if a similar accident happened here.

Fukushima Staff had no options other than to manually vent steam from the reactor units, and valuable time was lost as they desperately tried to do that. It is a miracle that no staff members have yet died from radiation exposure, but I would expect that to change over time. You can also bet that the "temporary help" that was mobilized will not be followed up on.

Several former staff workers were willing to put a human face on who was trying to deal with this unfolding disaster. There were some very brave people.

It will be at least ten years before they will be able to remove damaged nuclear fuel from the reactors.

And hundreds of square miles to the northeast of the nuclear complex will be uninhabitable for the foreseeable future.

At one point, authorities were seriously considering the evacuation of Tokyo.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 04:58 PM

The Guardian report above is certainly sobering.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 03:58 PM

With the upcoming anniversary of the disaster newspapers are sending their reporters to Fukushima to report on the state of things:

The Irish Times : The Fallout from Fukushima

The Guardian enters Fukushima Daichi : Workers take on the twisted steel and radiation


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 07:31 AM

Evidently public television is doing an update this evening on the Fukushima Nuclear Complex disaster.

Frontline Report: Inside Japan's Nuclear Meltdown

Tuesday, February 28 — 10:00pm

"The crisis at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant following the March 11, 2011, earthquake and tsunami is recalled. Included: remarks by government officials and executives at Tepco, the power company that owns the plant."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 07:26 AM

So we can now all sit back and relax?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 05:32 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2012/feb/20/fukushima-chief-dismisses-rumours-video?INTCMP=SRCH


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:03 PM

Q... cool. We don't have any oil sands. We have gas frackups starting again next week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 04:00 PM

Gnu, Candu or whatever. I'll take the oil sands.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 11:24 PM

Welcome back, Donuel!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 05:55 PM

The air filters in the cars in my area have dectectable levels of distinctive fukushima radioactive particles. We probably should not look into things that can not be controled at this point. Just like the cancer epidemic after 320 atmospheric nuclear weapon tests poisoned America and the world.

Over time I believe the 4 exploded nuke plants will out poison the CHERNOBYL incident, especially for the oceans. Then there are the 55 gallon drums of radioactive waste dumped into the ocean since WW2 that numbers in the thousands of tons and are past their corrosion lifetimes.

It is said that every person on the planet has some chernobyl radiation particles in their body without exception.

It seems that pesky tipping point is behind us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 04:30 PM

The French wanna build LePreau 2 here and there have been talks but I certainly hope it's a CANDU. I really don't think the cheaper MOX is the way to go over the much safer CANDU. Yeah, I know... "safer".


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 04:18 PM

British and French firms EDF, Areva and Rolls-Royce will build four new reactors in UK.
The French EDF company operates eight of the UK's nuclear power stations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 04:06 PM

LePreau (NB, Canada) has been given the "go" to restart. The one year shutdown has been 4 and much more costly than estimated... which ain't necessarily bad. >;-) I am not terribly concerned. BUT... they have been given until 2014 to bring firefighting capabilties up to standard??!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 04:06 PM

Q-

So one is left to wonder why Reactor Building 4 had an explosion and fire.

It just doesn't add up, does it?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 02:54 PM

This report in the Mainichi Daily News details the temperature changes and irregularities at the No. 2 reactor.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20120212p2g00m0dm20000c.html

The last I have seen (Feb. 2) on the No. 4 reactor is that 8.5 tons of radioactive water leaked from it, but was confined to the reactor building.
"The No. 4 unit also* lost the function to cool its spent fuel pool, but no serious damage is believed to have occurred in the fuel stored there."
* No. 1-4 lost cooling functions early in the crisis.
Mainichi Daily News, Feb. 2, 2012.

On Feb. 9, the same newspaper reported that "the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has declared that the primary evaluation of the results of the stress tests on the plant's No. 3 and 4 reactors, stopped for refular inspections, are appripriate [for restart]. The Nuclear Safety Commission is set to decide whether to issue permission for the reactors to restart."


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 10:06 AM

Peter-

Thanks for the update:

"Tepco said it did not know the cause of the apparent temperature rise, but speculated that it might be due to problems with the supply of coolant or a faulty thermometer."

I still wonder what happened in the spent fuel pool of Reactor 4. I don't think there has ever been a public update. It was also the site of an explosion and fire, and in this case the reactor itself had no nuclear fuel inside.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Feb 12 - 09:46 AM

After a period of relative quiet, this is back again.

Temperatures inside reactor nr 2 may have risen to 82 C.

For now TEPCO has increased the amount of cooling water and maintains the reactor is still in cold shutdown.

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 09:12 PM

Similar claims were made after the Three Mile Island partial meltdown, and argued pro and con for decades. There definitely was a statistical jump in early childhood mortalities but tying the increase to TMI's radiation releases (which sent the radiation monitors off-scale) could not be substantiated.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 09:04 PM

That sentence was obviously typed wrong. The article makes it clear what was meant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 09:00 PM

Jack... "the Fukushima nuclear meltdown is being linked to 14,000 U.S. deaths in the 14 weeks preceding the explosion at the Fukushima nuclear plant."

That's as far as I got. Am I missin sumpin here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jan 12 - 08:01 PM

Maybe 14,000 deaths in the US following the disaster:

The Province, 9 Jan 2012


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:51 AM

Fortunately there seems to be no additional threat from this earthquake to land-based facilities:

"officials said there was no danger of a tsunami."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:47 AM

New quake (Mag. 7):

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2012/01/03/229255.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Dec 11 - 12:40 PM

Soory for the misspelling: Charley


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 09 Dec 11 - 12:27 PM

Well Charlie, you never know.

Tepco withdraws dump-plan after fierce opposition from fishermen.

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 08:43 AM

No doubt TEPCO will get the go ahead to dump the huge volumes of low level radioactive waste water into the sea. More damage to the environment. All of this is the consequence of over estimating nuclear plant safety and underestimating the power of nature.

Charley Noble, preparing to fly back to snow-covered New England from the sunny West Indies


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 07:55 AM

Meanwhile the Japanese Government is considering a financial bail out de facto nationalisation of TEPCO

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 08 Dec 11 - 04:54 AM

And it's only getting better Jack:

They're running out of storage for the, treated but still lightly contaminated, water used to cool the reactors. And are seeking approval to dump around 155.000 tonnes of it into the sea.

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Dec 11 - 07:12 AM

Sandbags?!?!

They've got enough radioactive crap in there to obliterate the entire North Pacific fishery for centuries and they're reduced to sandbagging to stop it getting out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Dec 11 - 05:00 AM

It never stops does it?

As much as 45 tonnes of highly contaminated water may have leaked into the Pacific through a crack in a wall of the building used to purify water at Fukushima. The water 'could contain up to 130,000 becquerels per cubic centimetre of strontium'.

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Dec 11 - 04:33 PM

Australia has decided to sell uranium to India (Australia has tremendous reserves, and money is to be made). Export had been banned because India had not signed the non-proliferation treaty.

India intends to be about 50 percent nuclear powered in 20 years.

No solution has been found for nuclear waste, which must be stored. There should be a reprocessing and recycling method, but so far, none that is practical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 04 Dec 11 - 02:47 PM

Well, not in Ireland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Dec 11 - 01:53 PM

Who is investigating the investigators? If this then that. But the "ifs" are not being addressed as reality. Nuclear power is poisonous to the atmosphere when leaked because it contains so many toxic materials in concert. We will feel the impact of Fukushima many years from now as we have the effects of Chernobyl. Only defenders of nukes are those who stand to profit from the industry and those who obfuscate by denial of their responsibility such as Tokyo Electric or G.E. ("We bring good things to death.")

Fukushima or Chernobyl could happen in the US or anywhere else in the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Dec 11 - 03:19 PM

More on the caesium in fish- rather old news but not widely reported.
Rockfish and rocktrout caught 55 km from Fukushima contained radioactive caesium levels exceeding an allowable limit, according to Greenpeace. See Mainichi Daily News, August 9, 2011.
Greenpeace data here: http://www.greenpeace.org/japan/Global/japan/pdf/110809GP_MarineResearch_Data.pdf
On August 19, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency started to test fish from offshore British Columbia for radiation. Salmon are sensitive because of their wide-ranging movements.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/08/19/bc-salmon-radiation-testing.html

In a related story, the Yukon began testing for radiation in the caribou herd. Test results on the Porcupine Caribou herd will be available next year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Dec 11 - 09:22 AM

Radioactive iodide in low concentrations is a normal part of the refueling process in a nuclear power plant, as pipes are purged and radioactive steam released. As long as the levels are very low there there is little threat to the general public.

Tuna contaminated with radiation could be a public heqlth threat, and an economic disaster for fishermen.

Charley Noble in rainy St. Martin


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 03 Dec 11 - 07:17 AM

Nuclear cloud over Europe!

This was published on 11/11/11 but I've only just discovered it:

http://www.news24.com/SciTech/News/Radiation-in-Europe-no-risk-20111111


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 02 Dec 11 - 03:08 PM

"to within 37cm of the steel outer casing" Yeah... sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Dec 11 - 02:34 PM

Aljazeera news reports that caesium levels in fish to the east of Fukushima are very high, and there is worry that tuna stocks in that region of the Pacific may be affected. Fishermen working up to several hundred miles offshore are losing their livelihood.

The government had previously downgraded the possibility.
I haven't checked the Japanese newspapers, but more information should be available online.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 02 Dec 11 - 10:54 AM

It was actually a computer simulation that made them come to the conclusion all fuel in reactor 1, other sources speak of 68 tons of it, went through the floor. Who knows what they're yet to to find.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Dec 11 - 10:39 AM

Peter-

It does take time to verify what actually happened. Very bad bews.

I still wonder about the spent fuel pools, especially the one at Unit 4, whether they were breached. As you may recall, there was no fuel in the Unit 4 reactor but there was still a hydrogen explosion there. There was much more high level nuclear waste in the spent fuel pool then there ever was in a single reactor unit.

Charley Nolbe, away in the West Indies


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 02 Dec 11 - 03:34 AM

TEPCO admits fuel rods have probably melted completely and in the case of reactor 1 dropped through the inner pressure containment vessel to within 37cm of the steel outer casing.

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Nov 11 - 04:27 PM

Evidently Tokyo was just damn lucky that the prevailing winds did not blow in that direction when the nuclear power plants were having their hydrogen explosions.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Nov 11 - 11:35 AM

Two stories about food safety. Bizarre governmental spin on the risks of eating contaminated food, and a TV newscaster dedicated to promoting radioactive food as safe by eating it on screen gets a Darwin award by coming down with leukaemia:

http://fukushima-diary.com/2011/11/jp-gov-officially-admitted-that-japanese-food-is-harmful/


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 02:15 PM

The article I posted earlier today linked to an earlier article, fro m8 september, that I apparently missed at the time. In it the Japanese prime minister at the time of the earthquake gives a chilling account of how TEPCO considered withdrawing all personal from Fukushima at the height of the crisis and effectively just let things develop.

The (now ex-) prime minister speak of his fears that a release of radiation many times that of the Chernobyl disaster that would force an evacuation of Tokyo that would spell the end of Japan as a state was on the cards.

Chilling stuff.

Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 12:08 PM

Thanks for keeping this thread together. I consider it a historical document.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 10:23 AM

Peter-

Thanks for posting the new update links.

At the very least more reporters are getting access to the devastated site.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 10:16 AM

Photographs


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 12 Nov 11 - 08:15 AM

Journalists were allowed inside the Fukushima complex for the first time. This report describes the situation on site as 'grim and shambolic'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 01:04 PM

That was me... tossed my cookie.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 11 - 01:02 PM

"... will not reach Europe." Ya think it'll just sit in the gulf forever? Maybe it will. Has ANYone thought about trying to recover it? Is such a task feasible from an engineering point of view disregarding the costs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 11:06 PM

The increase in cancer and genetic deviations will show up as increases in the expectancy statistics, but it will be a long time before these figures are available- and there will always be guesswork involved.

Luckily, gnu, the BP oil "spill" did not get into the Gulf Stream and will not reach Europe. It has done damage in the northern part of the Gulf, however, that will be felt for years, let alone the losses to merchants, fishermen, and resort operators in the Gulf- even where effects are not present, the public is wary and is going to Hawai'i, Phuket, The Cooks, etc. instead.

I have commented on the even larger "spill" some years ago in the Mexican (Campeche) part of the Gulf, all but forgotten but still affecting fish, wildlife and livlihoods in SE coastal Mexico.

Deep drilling is underway again in the Gulf, and BP is going back to the same formation, where they have 800 million bbls. or more and expect more finds. They are just one of half-a-dozen majors drilling in the same depths.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:17 PM

Estimating the long term impact on humans of the Fukushima disaster is quite a chore. There are the early deaths that we know about, a relative handful. There are the unborn children who are aborted intentionally or spontaneously. There are the extra cancers that appear through the years, greater than one would expect given earlier incidences, and so hard to prove the cause is radiation in a court of law. And there are the other diseases whose frequencies also increase over time.

Probably Chernobyl is the accident with the closest parallel, and experts disagree sharply on the assumptions and the numbers generated from them. I think I went over some of those reports much earlier in this thread. Maybe I'll do a review this weekend.

But I just wonder when people will wake the fuck up

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:04 PM

500,000 seems a reasonable number of 'early" deaths from immediate and local exposure. I would think that number would be much higher with the long term effects and the ongoing dispersion of radiation through air and seabourne contamination. That is, worldwide.

Kinda like the oil spill in the gulf... may be years before it washes ashore in Britain... but it will. May take MANY years before the radiation from Fuckedupshima affects the seafood and fish off of the North and South American coasts and many more years for it to affect the other oceans... but it will.

BP's limit of liabilty is $20B in the US... apalling. The damage will be far more and will extend to jurisdictions which have "no claim". And, we pay more for gas to fund their wars in Africa. What happens when the nuclear disaster in Japan threatens over 25% of the fish stocks of the world... in only the Pacific Ocean?

Sorry for the rambling. But I just wonder when people will wake the fuck up... you know... eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 04:55 PM

Dick some time ago the number of immediate casualties from the actual nuclear incident was posted here- I think two to five workers were killed at the Fukushima complex. This, of course, is meaningless, as Charley and others have pointed out- many exposed to the radiation, the deaths and illnesses will occur over the years- we can only guess at what the totals will be. Some estimates are over 500,000.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 10:11 AM

Jim-

Don't feel bad. We learn such things here at Mudcat one by one as we need to.

I'd prefer to keep this thread together.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 09:13 AM

In the forum index, you have a column of thread titles, then a double column "Messages". If you click on the number in that column, you will get the first 50 messages in the thread, and if you click on the "d" to the right of it, you will get the last 50, in descending order.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 08:55 AM

Sorry Jack - what's the 'little blue "d"'?

gnu - I'm running Firefox on Vodafone Mobile Broadband and it's not very fast (supposed to be 7Mb but luck yo get 1Mb!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 Nov 11 - 12:30 AM

Q-
That's the casualties from the tsunami. Any data on casualties from the nuclear plant disaster?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 09:04 PM

Jack-

That's an interesting link to the tsunami simulations on the Northeast Coast.

Don't look good for folks in Eastern Long Island.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 02:06 PM

I assume Jim is clicking the "d". It takes a bit longer to load. I don't ming it but I have high speed downloading. Jim... what are you running?... www.testmyspeed.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 12:12 PM

Jim: just click on the little blue "d" to get the last 50 posts. Doesn't take long to load.

Charley: This shows the result of one kind of tsunami in the New York area. I assume anybody who can produce this has the tools for analyzing the effect on New Angland and north-east Canada too. NYC gets off lightly but the effects depend strongly on coastal topography.

simulation of a tsunami caused by the La Palma volcano collapsing


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 11:07 AM

Easy to start a new one with a directional link in this thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 08 Nov 11 - 09:23 AM

I wonder, couldn't this thread be split or something, it's taking so long to load now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 08:16 PM

Ray Shadis, who mentioned Newfoundland, is my long time friend who is still battling against a 20-year extension of Vermont Yankee's license to operate. Vermont Yankee is the same generation plant as Unit 1 at Fukushima and the NRC approved the license extension the day after the Fukushima tsunami. It's true that a tsunami is unlikely in Vermont but the structure is vulnerable to shock, the spent fuel pool is located above the reactor vessel and there are many other vulnerabilities that were exposed at Fukushima. The State Legislature voted to reject the license application and now it's in the courts to decide whether the Feds or the State has ultimate power on re-licensing.

Eventually, we all die but why make it any easier for the nuclear industry to roll over us?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 06:20 PM

Dick Greenhaus-

Mainichi Daily News reports that, as of October 10, 16000 confirmed dead from the tsunami and 3900 still missing.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111010p2g00m0dm016000c.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 05:00 PM

Dick... I dunno.

Charley... as I posted previously, I live in Moncton, New Brunswick... "The Bend". The river narrows a lot before the bend. I am at about 35m and along the path that a tsunami would take. But it would have to occur such that the wave would funnel up the Bay of Fundy. Very unlikely, but who knows? I suppose, eventually, we all die.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Nov 11 - 04:52 PM

I've been assuming that a devastating tsunami was unlikely along the New England coast until an old friend pointed out the 1929 Grand Banks Earthquake, 7.2, which generated a tsunami that devastated much of the Southern Newfoundland coast with waves of 2-7 metres, in some long bays the waves reached 13 metres! Here's some background info: click here for report!

Anyone want to guess how high the tsnuami wall is at the Seabrook nuclear plant in New Hampshire? Oh, they never built one...

Have a nice day!
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:19 PM

Date: 28 Aug 11 - 05:47 PM

Just out of curiosity, are there any authoritative estimates of casualties?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 06:28 PM

I caught some three eyed trout up Kent County where they sprayed Agent Orange, then Vision, then Round Up... this shit in Japan is far worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:23 PM

A cement company discharged radioactive water into Tokyo Bay that was far in excess of the provisional limit set by the government- up to 15 times the limit for caesium.
The company accepts more than 30,000 tons of refuse incineration ash generated in Chiba Prefecture a year and processes it into cement.
Asked as to why it continued to discharge the water into the bay even after finding high radiation levels, a company official said, "We could not judge whether to stop because there are no clear legal standards, and we could not refuse incinerated ash coming from local bodies because it had nowhere else to go."

Mainichi Daily News, Nov. 4, 2011.

An editorial in the paper called for the Government and TEPCO to step up monitoring of Fukushima's reactors to check whether nuclear
fission is occurring and to provide explanations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:00 PM

So, if fission occurs, can it escalate and go critical thereby setting off the "works"?... all the reactors?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 04:58 PM

gnu-

Evidently the level of radioactive xenon is very low but here's a more detailed report: click here for report!

I suppose the readings could be incorrect but if they were accurate this would be a new and worrisome phase of this unfolding disaster. Boric acid is being poured into the damaged reactor core in an attempt to moderate fission.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 04:09 PM

Fission? Jumpin thunderin... !!!

No problem? What are they gonna pull outta their ass next?

Sommat like this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 03:52 PM

More bad news from a conference in Washington, DC: click here for report!

Of course it's only bad news if you're concerned about Japanese children whose shoes are contaminated with radioactive dust.

The maps document that that the radioactive plume was concentrated in the NW sector, extending more than 20 km from the plant.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 03:09 AM

'Peter-

Watching a MP drinking decontaminated water is hardly reassuring.
'


No it isn't is it? There was great irony in that attempt at showing all was well and the news of the following day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 10:58 PM

Peter-

Watching a MP drinking decontaminated water is hardly reassuring.

"Signs of nuclear fission detected" is a real story:

""Given the signs, it is certain that fission is occurring," Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at Tepco, told reporters.

Evidence that even partial or temporary nuclear fission had occurred underlined the fragile state of the plant almost eight months after it was struck by a magnitude-9 earthquake and tsunami that knocked out vital cooling systems."

The evidence is based on the presence of radioactive gases that have very short half-lives, which means the gases were generated recently by nuclear fission. This is irrefutable evidence that Reactor Unit 2 is still not stabilized. That's very bad news.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:07 AM

Only yesterday we saw Japanese MP drinking water from reactor 3 to emphasise decontamination was going well.

Today TEPCO is suffering another set back as signs of nuclear fission detected in reactor 2


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:01 PM

Thanks, Q.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 03:57 PM

Mainichi Daily News has published radioactivity comtamination maps, more detailed than any previous ones.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/2011020p2a00m0na007000c.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 06:28 AM

That link worked for me last night using Firefox 3.6 on MacOS Tiger and works for me now using Firefox 7.1 on WinXP. No problems, normal speed.

I suspect somebody's ISP disapproves of the site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 09:04 PM

Just tried it again and it didn't work at all.
It may be with my cable provider- they have their own system of checking for virus, spam, etc., which is very good, but once or twice they have disallowed a site. Usually I say OK, and move on, but when I first tried this one, I had to leave mudcat and go back to my home page.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 05:29 PM

gnu-

Link works fine for me but then I'm operating from a MAC platform and must evil-doers ignore us in favor of PCs.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 02:46 PM

Works fine fer me... just checked it again. But, being a Boy Sprout, I shall immediately perform a virus scan on accounta ya never know eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 02:34 PM

gnu, there is something wrong with your link. I received a warning that it could cause my computer to run slow, and then I had a hard time getting rid of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 10:20 AM

"greenaction-japan.org" has a number of recent articles from various sources.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 06:57 PM

No radioactive levels in west coast produce beyond normal background, so no problems, gnu (at present).


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 04:55 PM

It's just getting going isn't it? Even tho it has been horrible so far.

I have been washing my grapes from California with increased care. They are exceptionally good this year (and, ALL the way from California to almost salt water on the other side of the continent and north a fair bit for $1.29 a pound!) so I wonder if the radioactive shit is improving the taste.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 04:41 PM

Ugh!

Hate reading reports like this but no one who knows the dangers of depending on nuclear power should be surprised.

Anyone want to invest in the next generation of "safe nuclear power plants"?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 04:14 PM

Sorry- misspelling of Peter's name unintentional.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 04:11 PM

High levels also in adjoining Chiba Prefecture.
Levels and causes being investigated.
Some was in rainwater. The article adds a bit to the Guardian article linked by Peter Labuan.
Other articles in Mainichi Daily News, October 14, 2011-

-Radioactive strontium found in Yokohama, 250 km from Fukushima plant.
-Japan's food radiation limits set too high: Belarussian scientist.
-Editorial- Prioritization key to effective nuclear decontamination plan.--
The basic plan has been decided on. The central government will designate areas with radioactive emissions of 1 millisievert per year or more "important contamination condition survey sites," and will task local governments with cleanup operations.
.... One millisievert per year is the upper exposure limit set by the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) for regular citizens.
The editorial says decontamination of the most dangerous sites should be first. However, the effects of low doses of radiation on the human body are uncertain. Areas with lower concentrations will continue to affect the population, to an unknown extent, while high concentration areas are being worked on.
Mainichi Daily News


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 13 Oct 11 - 11:28 AM

Fresh concerns as high radiation levels found in Tokyo


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 06:06 PM

HOw much Ukranian farmland is still unusable? How has that affected economy and progress in Ukraine? mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 05:49 PM

Not really but the more info you disseminate, even just here, the better. Go for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Oct 11 - 11:14 AM

Q and gnu-

We (anti-nukers) used to report these clean-up estimates on a regular basis back in the 1980's, when countering the nuclear industry's claims that their power was cheap, safe and efficient. Not many listened, unless there was a nuclear dump in their own back yard or one that was targeted for their area.

The clean-up costs for high-level nuclear waste storage facilities at Hanford in Washington state certainly rival those in New Mexico. Anyone else want additional depressing news from my way-back files?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 01 Oct 11 - 07:15 PM

Holy fuck! That is unreal!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Oct 11 - 07:02 PM

Cleaanup costs at the Los Alamos Laboratory, New Mexico, estimated to cost over $2 billion dollars.

Cleaning Area B, 6 acres, took 3 years and cost $212 million. Cleanup crews had no idea of the area content- they found contaminated pickup trucks among the waste.

The lab complex covers 40 square miles.
Area G, 63 acres, is full of barrels of plutonium-bearing waste, and is of grave concern to the state. Underneath the area are canals to drain leakage, a concern to groundwater.
Authorities have no idea of the contents of many areas, since no records were kept.

In addition to the large on-site area needing cleanup, in the early days, radioactive runoff from experiments was allowed to run over the cliffs and into canyons and streams.

$358 million asked for the next part of cleanup was pared to $185 million by Congress, well below the amount needed to fill the next consent decree.

No doubt a large area in northern New Mexico will suffer for centuries.

The area abuts Indian pueblos, and prime tourist, forest and traditional and licensed hunting and trout-fishing grounds, as well as the town of Los Alamos.

"Los Alamos Under Renewed Pressure to Remove Dangerous Toxic Wastes." Associated Press, October 1, 2011, Jeri Clausing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 05:58 PM

999-

Talk about complete lack of control of radioactive emissions - nuke the plant!

You can't be serious, I hope.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 03:55 PM

A bomb would just aid the spread of radioactive material in groundwater.
Moreover, the melted material would be at a very shallow depth, so little chance of confining radioactivity from the blast.

Latest in Mainichi Daily News:

Prime Minister Noda expressed confidence that the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima plant will be brought under control in the not-too-distant future.
Noda said Japan stands ready to continue to export its technology and expertise to emerging economies seeking to introduce nuclear facilities.....

Hoshono, minister for prevention of nuclear accidents, hopes that cold shutdown can be achieved at Fukushima by the end of the year, and that substantially lower emissions of radioactive substances can also be achieved by January.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Sep 11 - 08:19 AM

Here's a video clip and summary report updating what has been happening at the Fukushima-1 nuclear complex, as prepared by TEPCO and distributed by the nuclear industry promoters: click here for report!

Evidently the recent typhoon only damaged some of the video monitoring equipment.

There does appear to be some progress in stabilizing what is happening in this nuclear disaster. There will still be a very long clean-up involved.

TEMPCO is still promoting its technology for export, along with a huge inventory of highly radioactive debris (yes, I added that in).

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 09:49 PM

I wish I could, gnu. Nuclear bombs are just like any other explosive in terms of producing light, sound, heat from the detonation. If it were detonated underground, much of the fallout could be averted.

However, moot point. Isn't that area on a fault line--or real near one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:47 PM

How would a bomb of any type address the fuel that may have melted down into the ground? I don't understand how a bomb can vitrify the site. Please edify me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:39 PM

I expect the brains in Japan have thought of this as a 'solution'. However, we've beat them to a few ideas before. Some questions for which I have no answers:

1) would the nuclear debris explode too
2) if it does, how big will the explosion be
3) what kind of crap will end up in the air/ocean
4) how big will the evacuation area have to be

????

It's likely that it would be nearly impossible for a Japanese to push the button. Their culture--despite their government which is a 'benevolent old asylum for the helpless (and connected)'--would strongly militate against that as a solution. Even the cretins in government are of the same culture, whether or not they're more or less pragmatic that the average guy/gal on the street.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:19 PM

What if the bomb was a tactical weapon? Low kt?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:15 PM

Jack-

Not a bad idea assuming the workers are appropriately shielded and exposed for an appropriate period of time. That kind of plan would clean up the various "hot spots" in the plant compound.

Unfortunately the fuel rods that have melted and breached the reactor vessel and containment are under the reactor buildings, somewhere, and there is no way that I can think of to get at this high level contamination. Plant officials waited about ten years before they dared to tackled the melted fuel rods at Three Mile Island, and only about 1% (if that) of the public is aware that there was a meltdown of two thirds of the fuel there.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 08:04 PM

Jack Campin, that is one helluvan idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 05:45 PM

Somebody must be thinking of vitrifying the whole site with a nuclear bomb.

Somewhat more seriously: since there is a much smaller volume of really hazardous nuclear material than surrounding rock and soil, surely it makes sense to go in there with a mining machine and get it out?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 05:37 PM

Here's a more comprehensive update from NIRS from about 3 weeks ago:

UPDATE, August 22, 2011. The New York Times reports that Japan is finally getting ready to acknowledge what we have been saying in this space for months: that the Fukushima evacuation zone is an uninhabitable Dead Zone, and no one will live there again for at least many decades. An official government announcement is expected later this week.

The news follows release of a new radiation survey conducted by the government, which shows contamination levels throughout the evacuation zone to be much higher than previously admitted—up to 500+ MilliSieverts/year (50 Rems/Year) in Okuma, two miles southwest of the reactor site. This is actually about twice as high as radiation levels NIRS measured in Pripyat, Ukraine—about two miles from Chernobyl—in 1996.

But high radiation levels also were measured outside the 20 kilometer (12-mile) exclusion zone. Levels in the town of Namie, for example, 22 kilometers to the northwest of Fukushima Daiichi, were reported at 229 MilliSieverts/year—far above inhabitable levels. It is our (unconfirmed) understanding that most, if not all, of Namie previously had been evacuated, as well as some other towns even further from the reactor site. Thus, the actual Dead Zone is expected to be larger than the 20 kilometer radius.


Evidently there is still real concern that the evolution of this disaster may still continue, with specific focus on Reactor Unit-1.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 13 Sep 11 - 03:00 PM

Is there a way to fuse the ground with high volatge power?

I wonder if the are thinking about sheet piling and bentonite injection?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 03:33 PM

"Radiation expert says outcome of nuke crisis hard to predict, warns of future dangers."
Mainichi Daily News, Sept. 13, 2011.
Hiroaki Koide, radiation metrology and nuclear safety expert at Kyoto University's Research reactor Institute.
"The nuclear disaster os ongoing.   with radioactive materials yet to be contained, we've remained in the unsettling state of not knowing how things are going to turn out. ..... I believe that rthere is a possibility that massive amounts of radioactive materials will be released into the environment again."
"At the No. 1 reactor, there's a chance that melted fuel has burned through the bottom of the pressure vessel, the containment vessel, and the floor of the reactor building, and has sunk into the groung. From there, radioactive materials may be seeping into the ocean and groundwater."
He believes containment water is still leaking underground. He calls for "immediate action must be taken to build underground water barriers that would close off the nuclear power plant to the outside world..... The important thing is to stop any further diffusion of radioactive materials."
He outlines other problems, and ends, "Recovering the melted nuclear fuel is another huge challenge. I can't even imagine how that could be done."
(italics mine).

It is worth going to the Mainichi Daily News website and reading the whole article.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/perspectives/news/20110909p2a00m0na016000c.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 12 Sep 11 - 11:33 AM

By Rene Lynch

Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

September 12, 2011, 5:58 a.m.
At least one person was killed and four injured when a furnace exploded Monday at the Marcoule nuclear waste treatment site in southern France. Authorites say there was no radioactive leakage to the outside.

Evangelia Petit of the Agency for Nuclear Safety confirmed the explosion but declined to provide further details, according to the Associated Press.

The Marcoule nuclear plant is located in Langedoc Roussillon, in southern France, near the Mediterranean Sea.

The site of the blast does not reportedly contain any nuclear reactors. The ANS said that the furnace that exploded is used to break down waste that contains varying levels of radioactivity.

The cause of the blast was not known.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 02:26 PM

Japan is doing no better than we were after the Katrina hurricane. Massive problems to deal with, hundreds of thousands of impacted people, shifting responsibilities as bureaucrats and executives duck for cover, and what is unique an accident that is still continuing to evolve.

But let's build some more!!!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 01:26 PM

Shortage of doctors and hospital beds in quake-hit area.
"Medical care in tsunami-hit city stretched thin as outflow of doctors continues."
Mainichi Daily News, Sept. 12, 2011.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 10:44 AM

Yet another one bites the dust!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14866276


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 05:54 AM

and some more pics as residents are allowed back for 2hrs:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/sep/09/residents-brief-return-fukushima?INTCMP=SRCH


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 05:50 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/sep/09/japan-japan-earthquake-and-tsunami?INTCMP=SRCH#/?picture=378738845&index=9


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 10 Sep 11 - 05:46 AM

Good article in The Guardian yesterday:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/09/fukushima-japan-nuclear-disaster-aftermath?INTCMP=SRCH


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 02:02 PM

Not a new treatment, but an article in the NY Times today. The following from " Nuclear News:"

"Mr. Monetta of Global Laser Enrichment, the General Electric-Hitachi subsidiary, said the envisioned plant would enrich enough uranium annually to fuel up to 60 large reactors. In thoery, that could power more than 42 million homes- about a third of all housing units in the United Ctates."
"The laser advance, hr added, will promote energy security "since it is a domestic source."

Because the method is simpler and more efficient than the old centrifugation, some critics warned of the proliferation of clandestine plants aimed at producing nuclear weapons.

(This technology, like any other, cannot be held secret, since there are capable people everywhere; it is the lack of industrial engineering capability that keeps less advanced technical societies from reproducing it.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 09:51 AM

Jim-

Thanks for the above links. Some excellent updates and some predictable spin from nuclear industry shills:

"Events at Fukushima should not be called a nuclear disaster," says John Ritch, Director General of the World Nuclear Association. He explains to RT why he thinks nuclear energy is still one of the safest sources of power – and getting safer.

I don't think Director General Ritch is advocating the closure of all nuclear plants in major earthquake or tsunami zones, however. That would be a logical inference from his argument.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 08 Sep 11 - 07:52 AM

RT web page:

http://rt.com/trends/fukushima-nuclear-disaster/?gclid=CPyy-_7JjasCFcSJDgod4A4C_Q


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:54 PM

We're all Fuku-ed, basically...

Best to not think about it too much I guess...

And look on the bright side, we can save a whole lotta dosh on our electricity bills when we start to glow in the dark!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:50 PM

The Japanese yen remains high, a refuge currency like the Swiss franc or to some extent the Chinese yuan. It is hurting Japanese exports. The government is trying to weaken their money, but without success.

I don't claim to understand the reason, except that the EU (except Germany) and U.S. economies are busted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:23 PM

Yes, I think this story has a few more thousand years to unfold.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:07 PM

Thanks Q.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 04:00 PM

Several items in the Japanese papers. These from today's Mainichi Daily News:

-Radioactive rice rumors rampant among Kansai region consumers
-PM's office failed to use data predicting Fukushima power loss, meltdowns.
-Fulushima leaders, residents hold Tokyo rally for full-scale nuclear compensation.
-Noda's Cabinet lineup draws mixed response from crisis-hit survivors.
And the lead article-
Noda Cabinet must mobilize all resources to restore disaster-hit nation.

And something about alternatives-
Japan just beginning to tap into high potential for geothermal power generation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Sep 11 - 03:28 PM

Was there a disaster? Ya wouldn't know it from the reporting lately.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 29 Aug 11 - 07:57 AM

Sorry, was a bit premature - he is expected to be elected tomorrow!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 29 Aug 11 - 07:48 AM

New PM wants reactors re-started:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14705394


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 05:47 PM

Just out of curiosity, are there any authoritative estimates of casualties?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 11:50 AM

They didn't plan for wind?!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 28 Aug 11 - 10:27 AM

Just a little reminder reactors can get knocked anywhere : Baltimore Sun article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 12:52 PM

Vanuatu Islands are thousands of miles to the south of Japan. Both are on the "Ring of Fire,", the Pacific plate boundaries which include the Pacific coasts of the Americas on the eastern side of the Pacific Ocean. Plate boundaries and associated faults ("cracks") ring the Pacific Ocean.
Activity in one region does not directly correlate with activity in another.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 23 Aug 11 - 07:12 AM

Vanuatu earthquake, not supposed to have caused tsunami but it just shows there's still plenty of seismic activity in the area:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14603993


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 08:01 PM

gnu-

"crack on ocean floor"

Too much sad information.

My niece Heather is indeed now embedded south of Tokyo, teaching English for two years. She should be relatively safe unless something nasty happens south of Tokyo. She is wise beyond her years and will most likely avoid products from the Fukushima Prefecture.

It's a damn pity that world news flits from one story to another and just because Fukushima is long term news, they just don't cover it with the attention it deserves. Remember the "day count" they used to do for Iraq? Or was that Vietnam?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 07:38 PM

Kan intends to visit the Fukushima Prefecture on Saturday to give the bad news about long term no-go areas. Ministers declined to name specific areas.
Possible compensation- through buying up land, or through leasing arrangements- has not been decided. Further studies will be made to see if decomtamination is possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 04:06 PM

".... decades."

Gee. That could be a lifetime or three or...

Fucking tragic.

And it ain't over yet. And not just for Japan.

Sigh. Doesn't even make the news here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 22 Aug 11 - 03:01 PM

Japanese Government acknowledges, for the first time, many homes and farms around Fukushima, both inside and outside the twelve mile exclusion zone, will be too contaminated for their owners to return, possibly for decades.

article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 11:28 AM

Crack in ocean floor pic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Aug 11 - 11:09 AM

gnu-

Well, the Tennessee Valley Authority wants this plant to be perfect.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 08:43 PM

Even so, Q, 55% completed and only going on line in 9 years? THAT sounds strange too. This stuff boggles the mind. Makes ya wonder eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 05:35 PM

Oops! $4.9 billion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 03:32 PM

$45B? Something sounds very odd about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 03:29 PM

The Tennessee Valley Authority has approved plans to complete a 44.9 billion plan to complete a nuclear unit at the Bellefonte site [northeast Alabama] in Alabama. The plant, 55% complete, is expected to go online in 2020.
Wall Street Journal, August 18, 2011, "TVA Approves Plan to Finish Alabama Nuclear Plant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 09:15 AM

Peter-

Thanks to the link to the new set of photos, and their notes.

Working at Fukushima certainly rivals working in Hell, and without the long-term benefits.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 05:06 AM

That was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 11 - 04:21 AM

Fukushima : an interactive guide


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 01:57 PM

UJapan, despite its nuclear industry, is still heavily dependent on oil imports; the country is only 16% energy efficient.
46% of energy comes from oil, 21% from coal. 80% of oil comes from the Middle East, with a large number of importers-suppliers, including Mitsubichi.


http://www/eia.gov/cabs/Japan/pdf.pdf


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 19 Aug 11 - 07:57 AM

Just some snippets:

Fukushima was again shaken yesterday, by a 6.8 quake.

Japanese government has for the first time since the tsunami given permission to re-start a nuclear reactor, reactor nr. 3 at the Tomari installation owned by the Hokkaido Power Company.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 08:34 PM

On a positive note, it seems like major groups of Japanese researchers are now attempting to fill in the blanks of TEPCO and the governmental agencies which are supposed to monitor or regulate the nuclear industry.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 08:05 PM

And it doesn't even make the news here. I wonder why? It's all about the riots in England. As it was, still is, in their "mid-eastern" colonies... sad shit.

And I mean that. Anybody that doesn't think Japan is not a distant "colony" of Her Majesty is just not a student of history. BP reaches far and wide. They reach out and touch many people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Aug 11 - 07:45 PM

Here's the most comprehensive report (via Al Jazeera) I've run across from Japanese sources, and one of the grimmest: Click here for report!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Aug 11 - 07:47 AM

Though few members of the public are aware of it, at Three Mile Island the melted fuel rods breached the primary containment vessel, took one horrified look around, and then melted their way back inside. But that report didn't surface until 5 years after the "incident."

We have a lot more "lessons to learn" about Fukushima-1, and it will take years to learn what they are.

Meanwhile, the nuclear industry has a new and safer model to sell you, and there might even be some truth to their statement.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 10:05 PM

This may have been reported before, since it was reported Monday by the Mainichi Daily News.
"Fuel inside one of the reactors at the Fukushima complex may have melted twice. "......possibly breached the vessel after melting again at the bottom of the vessel,.... Most of the fuel at the No. 3 reactor may have fallen into the containment vessel underneath and if so, the current method used to cool the reactor would need reviewing,...." This would further delay the schedule to contain the disaster.
Tanabe, a nuclear expert, said "I presume that the fuel fell to the bottom of the containment vessel made of concrete and reacted violently with its cement, releasing large amounts of radioactive materials into the outside from the pressure vessel."
"Elevated levels of radiation were actually detected for several days from March 21 in the Tohoku region in which the Daiichi power plant is located and the nearby Kanto region, which includes Tokyo and its surrounding area."


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 09:46 PM

The Mainichi Daily News has an article about the water treatment system.
TEPCO seems to be happy that the "operating rate of a radioactive water treatment system at Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant stood at "a record 77.4 percent between Aug. 3 and 9" after the system became operational on June 28.
But a TEPCO deputy chief said "ther will be a slight delay in achieving the utility's objective of treating radioactive water through the circulating injection cooling system within this year due to a series of mishaps."
Lighting and malfunctioning pumps temporarily stalled treatment operations, bring the amount of contaminated water to 121,140 cubic meters as of Aug. 9, down by only 2740 cubic meters from July 12. "TEPCO says it plans to gradually increase the system's operating rate to 80 to 90 percent.
All of which means a tremendous volume of water remains to be treated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 10:56 PM

Jack-

Thanks for your latest harvest.

The Fox News link is a curious one. They certainly aren't against nuclear power but I guess they just couldn't resist another way to "terrorize" the American public. Keep them barefoot and terrorized; that's the deal!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 07:05 PM

But, surely it's more important to fight the Taliban and throw cuise missles arond the middle East like nerf balls at a child's birthday party on behalf of BP?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Aug 11 - 04:18 PM

More from Peter Boulding:

I haven't even managed to learn whether they've finally installed their plastic, steel-framed tent around the remains of reactor building #1 (the only images on the web are computerised artists' impressions), although I did find a piece about ten days ago to the effect that TEPCO are starting work on one for reactor building #3... in a rush, because the typhoon season has begun. (What about reactor building #4?)

The Mainichi Daily News now says erection of the cover for reactor building #1 will start today, and should be completed by the end of September. "Once the installation is completed at the reactor", they add, "Tokyo Electric will consider installing similar coverings for the Nos. 3 and 4 reactors."

Other updates:

* The Japanese government is lifting its non-mandatory evacuation advice regarding *some* areas outside the 20-kilometre limit.

* The cooling water decontamination/recycling system is still suffering too much downtime, with pumps breaking down and backup pumps failing to start. The government regulator, itself under fire (see below), is attempting to get heavy with TEPCO about this.

* Prime Minister Naoto Kan may step down by the end of this month--if he manages to get two bills passed through parliament. One concerns deficit-funding bonds needed to keep TEPCO and others afloat; the other mandates subsidies for renewable energy projects. It won't be that easy to get either passed, however: Kan's party relies fairly heavily on donations from power company labour unions, the opposition on donations from the said companies.

* Japan has a sophisticated radiation forecasting system that correctly predicted the path of the radiation fallout from planned venting that took place early in the crisis. It now emerges that hundreds of evacuees--mostly children--were given "shelter" in an elementary school ten kilometres from Fukushima Daiichi that was according to the system, right in the path of that fallout. The mayor of the relevant town only learned of the cock-up from watching TV; a day later he organised buses to take these evacuees to another part of the town--which the system correctly predicted was also in the path of the fallout. Why? Because the Nuclear regulator sat on the system's predictions in order to avoid (a) costly evacuations and (b) embarrassing local and central government officials and power company executives. The Prime Minister appears to have been unaware of the system's existence.

* Hearings have started regarding the scandal in which the regulator tried, over some years, to shift public opinion in favour of nuclear power by salting public symposiums with power company employees.

* TEPCO have reported a 7.4 billion USD loss for the quarter April-June.

German gas and electricity supplier E.ON has posted a 2.13 billion USD loss for the quarter and is cutting 11,000 jobs because of the German government's Fukushima-related decision to shut down nuclear plants early.

* Falling beef prices cause by the discovery of contaminated meat has caused Japanese beef giant Agura Bokujo to go bust with debts of 62 billion yen.

* No inshore fishing can be done in Fukushima prefecture. Half of the samples of fish checked by Greenpeace exceeded the Japanese government-set limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram.

* How the nuclear industry is reacting to the public's increasing distrust of the people who make their living from--or plan to make billions out of--nuclear power: here's the mad-eyed John Hutton (ennobled by Tony Blair, and now a UK nuclear industry mouthpiece) explaining how we've got no choice: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9559767.stm. The relevant BBC News 24 slot is called "Hard Talk". This clip gives you a fair example of just how probing and fearless BBC interviewers are likely to be these days...

* Here, for contrast, is the *totally* impartial Russia Today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WwMISWTy9U

* And last but not least: Fukushima is killing American babies, says Fox News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3oMEqU1oAY


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 02:47 PM

Unreal stuff! VERY scarey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 02:35 PM

News Reports:
1. Metro Tokyo to build gas-fired power plant to combat energy shortage fears.
The plant would be independent of TEPCO.
2. Residents in four prefectures have applied for a temporary court injunction against the restart of seven nuclear reactors in Fukui Prefecture, citing the Fukushima crisis as proof that national safety standards for nuclear plant design are faulty.
The injunction application was filed by residents of Shiga, Kyoto, Osaka and Fukui Prefectures. The reactors, currently shut down for regular safety inspections, are operated by Kansai Electric Power Co.
Mainichi Daily News, Aug. 3, 2011.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 02:22 PM

New reports
1. The government may separate the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency from the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry and merge its functions into a new agancy to be created under the Environment Ministry.
[Musical chairs anyone?]
2. NISA Scandal widens to two more Utilities.
A former official of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency acknowledges that he askes two more power companies to mobilize their employees, in the latest revelations of alleged attempts to manipulate public opinion.

Both from Japan Times, Wed., Aug. 3, 2011.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 03 Aug 11 - 10:07 AM

The MOX plant at Sellafield, a hugely costly and controversial affair from the outset, is to close down as an after effect of the crisis in Japan. Tepco was to take 50% of the plant's fuel output.


Report


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 09:57 PM

Several articles in Japanese papers.
"Safety Agency [NISA] slams Tepco for lax identity checks on nuclear plant workers."
"Time to dismantle dangerous nuclear reactors, scrap nuclear fuel cycle program."
The lead article in the Mainichi Daily News, August 2, 2011.-
"We have proposed that an order of priority for shutting down nuclear plants be set based on their danger, and that the number of such power stations be gradually decreased."
The article points out the unpredictability of disastrous accidents in earthquake prone Japan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 08:32 PM

Here's the whole update from NIRS, August 1, which ordinarily I'd link to but it seems important enough to paste the whole damning thing:

UPDATE, August 1, 2011. Tepco reported today the highest radiation levels yet measured at Fukushima Daiichi—1,000 Rems/hour (10 Sieverts/hour)—a lethal dose. The measurements were taken at the base of the ventilation stack for Units 1 and 2 (the stack that did not work during the accident). The actual levels may have been more than measured, since the monitoring equipment could not measure more than 10 Sieverts/hour. Workers sent to the area to confirm the measurements, which were first picked up by a gamma measuring camera, received doses of about 400 millirems in just a few minutes.

All of this brings up a lot of questions Tepco and the Japanese government must be held to account for. It has been more than four months since the accident began. The belief is that these readings are a result of the failed attempt at ventilation in the early hours of the accident. How is it possible that Tepco is noticing this extraordinarily high reading only now? How many workers have walked by this area in the past four and a half months without realizing the kind of dose they were getting? What does this say about Tepco's, and the government's, overall radiation measurements both onsite and offsite?

Indeed, even while Tepco last week said the continuing releases from Fukushima are only a fraction of what they were in April (one billion becquerels/hour versus one trillion becquerels/hour in April) and far lower than mid-March, Tepco also had to admit that it doesn't actually know how much radiation is being emitted. The utility said it planned to begin tests at Unit 1 over the past weekend to try to find out what is actually being emitted from there, and will begin similar tests at Unit 2 during August. But it doesn't even plan to try tests at Unit 3 because the radiation levels are so high in that reactor.

Given Tepco's and the government's inability to detect lethal levels of radiation onsite—where there are presumably many radiation monitors available—what confidence can anyone have about offsite measurements in Japan? The role of citizen radiation monitoring has never been more crucial. The New York Times today has an article demonstrating this fact. It is the citizen monitors who are finding radioactive hotspots throughout north central Japan, who are demanding evacuations, who are documenting this contamination without end.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 07:42 PM

Two more items from alt.fan.cecil-adams.

Peter Boulding:

from TV Asahi via http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/07/radiation-in-japan-60-becquerelskg.html

A chicken farmer in Kawamata-machi in Fukushima Prefecture has brought his eggs to a volunteer testing station in Fukushima City. After 20 minutes of testing, 60 becquerels/kg of radioactive cesium is detected from the eggs. Disappointed, the farmer says, "I don't know what to say to my customers. It's much lower than the provisional safety limit in Japan, but if I compare the number to the safety limit in Ukraine it is extraordinary..." The reporter asks the farmer, "What is the safety limit in Ukraine?" 6 becquerels/kg, he tells the reporter."


Les Albert:

Here is one from Sunday's N.Y. Times that I thought you and the
subscribers to your Weekly Reader will enjoy:

http://tinyurl.com/3nafe8c

The lead paragraph is:

IWAKI, Japan ˜ Kiyoko Okoshi had a simple goal when she spent about $625 for a dosimeter: she missed her daughter and grandsons and wanted them to come home. Local officials kept telling her that their remote village was safe, even though it was less than 20 miles from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. But her daughter remained dubious, especially since no one from the government had taken radiation readings near their home. So starting in April, Mrs. Okoshi began using her dosimeter to check nearby forest roads and rice paddies. What she found was startling. Near one sewage ditch, the meter beeped wildly, and the screen read 67 microsieverts per hour, a potentially harmful level. Mrs. Okoshi and a cousin who lives nearby worked up the courage to confront elected officials, who did not respond, confirming their worry that the government was not doing its job.

The rest of the story (with photos) is interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 07:16 PM

image of two of the hot spots

Not a location I'd think to worry about - some way up a nondescript piece of external pipework or framing. But stand next to it for a few minutes and you're dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 07:15 PM

6 INCHES IS BULL SHIT. IT WAS 10 INCHES, GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF.


;?I


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 07:08 PM

Peter-

There are very troublesome reports of "very hot spots" in and around the vents. Clearly, TEPCO is egregiously (if not criminally) slow in monitoring the impact of the initial explosions.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 06:51 PM

NASA
Day shortened by 1.8 microseaonds (roughly one millionth of a second. Earth axis shifted 6.5 inches.
Richard Gross of the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory said these changes happen all the time. Over the course of a year, day length changes about one millisecond, about 550 times the change caused by the Japanese quake.
The position of the axis changes about 3.3 feet over the course of a year.
USA Today, Science Fair, March 2011.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 05:12 PM

The days are still a tenth of a second longer and the axis of the Earth shifted 10 inches due to the 9.0 earthquake that began this disaster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 02 Aug 11 - 10:32 AM

A bit more on exposure: TEPCO has found a number of spots on the Fukushima site where radiation levels reach 10 Sievert per hour (which is the maximum reading on equipment used, levels may actually be higher). A level lethal even after a short exposure.

Report


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 08:26 PM

North Korea is on the verge of starvation again I have read. WOuld it be more dangerous to give them contanminated (slightly) beef and chickens and perhaps many would not starve..or let them starve but spare them radiation? I think I personally would want the food...they probably aren't allowed to pass it on but think if you were starving (and my family has not gotten over the potato famine yet) and saw the neighboring country killing their livestock. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 07:06 PM

Charley... as I posted earlier, my old man told me smoking does not CAUSE cancer. Is is a catylist... a "medium"... it provides the "vehicle" for radiation to cause cancer.

Something else... thread drift... the tobacco companies, government and medical community like to push this "smoking causes cancer" theory because it cannot be proven on an individual basis. Thereby, they continue to make money and tobacco will never be outlawed. If the anti-tobacco lot went after the emphysema (COPD is the new catch phrase as it sounds less scarey) connection they would get far better results. But, THAT ain't gonna happen because tobacco, government and the medical community make a shitload of money off the "cancer" aspect. Sorry for the thread drift. Just a pet peeve of mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 06:42 PM

From Peter Boulding in alt.fan.cecil-adams on Usenet:

Time for an update, one would have thought... but it's getting more and more difficult to find out what the Hell's going on at Fukushima Daiichi.

I haven't even managed to learn whether they've finally installed their plastic, steel-framed tent around the remains of reactor building #1 (the only images on the web are computerised artists' impressions), although I did find a piece about ten days ago to the effect that TEPCO are starting work on one for reactor building #3... in a rush, because the typhoon season has begun. (What about reactor building #4?)

As far as I can gather Areva's cobbled-together water filtration/recycling system isn't keeping pace thanks to (a) torrential rains; (b) continued inability to operate the system at above 70% of design capacity--at best; (c) inability to pump cooling water straight onto the cores: we've learned recently that they're only able to pour water onto the metal shrouds that surround the cores; and (d) the fact that the containment vessel of reactor #3 is full of holes and requires far more water to keep the temperature down to boiling point than the other two melted-down cores. (It would be #3, wouldn't it? That's the one that has plutonium mixed in with the uranium.)

So there are now more than 120,000 tons of highly contaminated water on site and they're almost out of capacity store any more. Toshiba are apparently trying to build another filtration system, but one wonders whether the contaminated seas problem might be about to get a great deal worse.

Meanwhile the temperature of the #4 spent fuel storage tank is still too high; it is, along with the three melted-down reactors, continually leaking radioactive water vapour into the atmosphere.

It took a while to find out even that--mostly from a single, maybe unreliable, source. The papers have covered the Prime Minster's anger at the government regulator's crude and dishonest attempts to manipulate public opinion, while the IAEA is cross with TEPCO for not having been more open. Otherwise it's just local/personalised stories about contaminated meat, contaminated fish, contaminated eggs, contaminated children, and the amount of sewage sludge that nobody knows where to store, because it's too radioactive to bury.

Russia Today (Russian English language TV), which is less inclined to keep quiet than the Western Media, says the Japanese people are complaining more and more vociferously about the lack of info and deliberate playing down--by TEPCO, by the regulator and by the government--of the continuing seriousness of the crisis.

The IAEA hasn't posted any new info on its web site all month.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 02:42 PM

Yes, one of our good friends was a plant operator at the Maine Yankee nuclear power plant for about ten years. He quit after Three Mile Island but not before being exposed to low level radiation. He was not a smoker but he died of lung cancer a few years ago, and I still miss him.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 02:34 PM

Yes, Q. It's bad shit. The "safe" levels are not all that safe... merely "acceptable" as a management tool.

And there's a lot more of it in our daily lives than yer average person knows about. Not just from nuke fuels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 12:55 PM

Mainichi Daily News, July 31, 2011.

"Nuclear plant workers developed cancer despite lower radiation exposure than legal limit."
Of 10 nuclear plant workers who have developed cancer and received workers compensation, nine had been exposed to less than 100 millisieverts of radiation. During the emergency, the limit was raised to 250 millisieverts.
Six had leukemia, two multiple myeloma and two lymphatic malignancy.
The tenth had received 129.8 millisieverts.

More disturbing was that monitoring databooks had been "corrected and stamped with personal seals."
One book checked had a false report saying the worker was taking nuclear safety education when he actually was in hospital for leukemia treatment. This worker, dead of leukemia at age 29, was at the Hamaoka Power Plant, operated by Chibu Electric Power Co.; he received 50.63 millisieverts over a period of eight years and 10 months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 09:43 AM

Tsunami warnings were cancelled later in the day.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 31 Jul 11 - 05:45 AM

6.4 magnitude earthquake reported off the coast of Honsu/Fukushima at a depth of 40 km. No reports of new damage to the Fukushima reactors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 05:45 PM

Power companies generation figures called into question amid push for reactor restarts.
Suggestions have arisen that power companies are underestimating their generating capacity in a push to restart reactors.
An article in the Mainichi Daily News today (July 27) questions the low power generation figures put forth by the companies, especially the figures for electrical power, which some experts say is sufficient to cover the losses from closed reactors.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110726p2a00m0na004000c.html
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South Korean industrial knowhow is as strong as that of any of the countries in the west.
Don't know about India, but recent reports and analyses suggest that it will be an industrial giant before very long.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:47 PM

India and South Korea are selling reactors? Good lord.

Hey... buddy... I've got a good deal for you...

Sweet JAYSUS! I wonder if Walmart will get in on this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:10 PM

Terrific!

I wonder how much the service contract is?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:45 PM

India will soon join South Korea, France and other nations selling reactors. India currently has two models on offer.
Congressional Research Service [U.S.]
CSIS (Center for Stratigraphic & International Studies). Nuclear Power Corp. of India Chairman Bannerjee, "ready to offer Indian PHWRs of 220 MWe or 540 MWe for export."


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:37 PM

Have a nice day... I have other plans, thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 01:04 PM

Here's an update from July 19 (NIRS) which provides a sobering summary of what's been achieved in terms of stabilizing conditions at the Fukushima-1 nuclear complex:

Meanwhile, Tepco says it has achieved "stable cooling" of all of the reactors at the site. This might sound like good news until it is realized that Tepco does not mean the reactors are at cold shutdown. In fact, all 3 reactors with fuel in them remain above the boiling point of 100 degrees Centigrade, meaning that water continues to boil off and radiation continues to be released. Cold shutdown—bringing the temperatures below 100 degrees—is still not expected before January 2012. What Tepco really means is that it has more or less successfully set up a system for water to be recirculated through the reactors, so that constant water from outside is no longer needed. However, the recirculation system has been plagued with problems from the beginning and continues to not work at desired capacity.

That is not the case for the Unit 4 fuel pool, which continues to receive water from outside. Temperature in the pool is said to be below boiling, at 80 degrees Centigrade.

Have a nice day!
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:33 PM

Mrrzy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:49 AM

Let's not forget this tragedy in the face of the next, more fashionable one in Europe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 12:48 PM

Don... I assume the big bucks don't want to panic people. Even tho the flow of seabourne and airbourne radioactive material is cause for at least a mild panic attack. I am washing my Washington grown cherries individually rather than just rinsing them in a bowl.

Hmmmm... I wonder when the crude will wash ashore in Briton? or the wars BP has recently started will end? or.... sighhhh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 09:42 AM

Jim-

And when do you suppose the NRC will order an 18m sea-wall built at the two Californian coastal nuclear power plants?

With increased global warming, waiting for Hell to freeze over is not an option.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 08:35 AM

This is a report of the cavalier manner in which CNN covers the continuing Fukushima disaster.

First they mention it less than twice a week on average.

Second when they do have a report the way it is presented is unexcusable. The female talking head delivers a report of recalling some Beef products from Japan due to radiation, and then the reported said "stretch" and gesticulated a sleepy morning stretch and a decided bored behavior.
What is said is nearly as crucial as how it is said. The cable news coverage of this immense disaster is treated like a puff piece.

While radioactie debris and nuke plant waste water travels east 100 miles a day toward Hawaii and eventually the west coast of the USA, the inevitability of it all is deliberately treated with inattention and crass bordom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 22 Jul 11 - 08:00 AM

Hamaoka to have 18m sea-wall built:

http://newsblogged.com/fukushima-nuclear-power-plant-reactor-latest-news-real-time-updates


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: maeve
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 05:31 PM

Thanks, all, for the continued supply of information.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 05:27 PM

The Mainichi Daily News calls it an "updated work schedule." It does not add much to the previous announcement.
"Cooling operations have been stabilized" and "the risk of hydrogen explosions has been eliminated."
"We are starting to see a tremendous critical condition heading toward a certain level of settlement."
Cold shutdown, scheduled for January, may be moved up so that people forced to evacuate can return home.
"Workers have now succeeded in instaling devices to remove radioactive substances from the polluted water and recycle the decontaminated water to cool the crippled Nos. 1 to 3 reactors [at Fukushima]."
At No. 4 unit, all of its fuel rods had been stored in the spent fuel pool, and "work is proceeding to create a system involving a heat exchange device to stably and efficiently cool the water inside the pool."
Manichi Daily News comments that the decontamination system was operating only at 73% efficiency.
"Tepco would consider creating an underground "shielding wall" to surround the reactor turbine buildings so as to prevent contaminated water seeping from the buildings and getting mixedin with groundwater."

We hope that the goals are accomplished, but outside nuclear agencies are not entirely convinced.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 03:40 PM

NHK...

The Japanese government has announced new stages of a plan to bring the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant under control.

The announcement came at a meeting of the government's nuclear disaster taskforce attended by all Cabinet ministers on Tuesday evening.

The taskforce said the first stage of the plan outlined in mid-April for the stable cooling of the reactors has been completed on schedule by mid-July. It added radiation levels in the plant's surrounding areas have been steadily reduced.

The meeting approved a renewed plan, including the second stage to be completed by next January, and mid-term targets to be achieved within about three years after that.

Under the renewed plan, the government will carry out regular health checks for about 30 years on residents in Fukushima Prefecture, where the plant is located. The checks will include thyroid cancer screening tests for children, the estimate survey of external exposure, and the measurement of internal exposure.

The government will also start a safety assessment of radiation levels in the evacuation advisory zone around the plant, in an aim to lift the advisories currently in place there.

As for the evacuation zone and the 20-kilometer no-entry zone, the government will start monitoring radiation levels earlier than planned. The government will start lifting its evacuation orders for areas where safety has been confirmed, after the plan's second stage is achieved by next January.

Also on Tuesday, the government and Tokyo Electric Company formally announced that the target of the first stage to steadily reduce radiation levels from the plant has been achieved, according to a joint assessment.

The assessment said the radiation level from the turbine buildings of the plant's reactors has been reduced to 1 two-millionth of what it was just after the nuclear accident in March.

In the second stage of the plan for the cold shutdown of the reactors, TEPCO plans to improve its systems to decontaminate wastewater and to cool reactors and fuel rod pools at the plant.

The government and the utility will have to face tough challenges, as the decontamination system has been developing one problem after another and the plant's reactor buildings have been seriously damaged.

Tuesday, July 19, 2011 20:44 +0900 (JST)

Oh, yeah, they checink out cows too... that's it from NHK.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jul 11 - 03:21 PM

Well, I hope they "pitter patter, let's get at'er".


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:54 PM

The typhoon is supposed to hit the South Islands of Japan. But I understand that all nuclear plants are scrambling to prepare themselves.

Here's some recommendations I just received in the Union of Concerned Scientists newsletter Catalyst under lessons learned for US reactors:

1. Insufficient Backup Power -- US reactors generally have less backup battery power than they had at Fukushima-1, 4 hours instead of 8 hours and more than that would be better.

2. Vulnerable Spent Fuel Pools -- the spent fuel stored in the pools at Fukushima probably melted down as well; backup power is needed for their water cooling systems as well and their sheet metal siding "like that of a Sears storage shed" is not adequate containment if something goes wrong.

3. Shortsighted Evacuation Planning -- the 12-mile evacuation radius for the Fukushima-1 plant was inadequate and current NRC rules only require a 10-mile zone in the States. Planning needs to take into consideration a 50-mile radius as was recommended for US citizens in Japan.

4. Require that spent fuel be shifted out of spent fuel pools after 5 years of cooling into dry cask storage. The spent fuel pools at Fukushima were stuffed with more (3 to 4 times) spent fuel than they were originally designed to hold, and the case is similar in the States.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:16 PM

Cross yer fingers... and toes... and eyes...

Course, if it knocks things really bad, ya might end up with all them crossed anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 07:04 PM

Just heard on the news- a large typhoon headed toward Japan.
Don't know any details, but I'll check the weather data tonight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 04:45 PM

But, whaddya gonna do? If ya ban sales of veggies and meat, people starve. If they eat, they might die in the future but if they don't eat now... ?

It's a tough call. It's an awful mess. Whaddya do???

And what about monitoring in the US? Should I be washing my Washington grown cherries and my Calleeforneeahhh grapes "extra" careful?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 04:34 PM

Read the Guardian article and followed it up with Japan Times-
Beef cattle shipment

Neither says anything about chickens or other fowl. Was this covered earlier and I missed it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 08:26 AM

The contaminated meat problem is simply another example of how ineffectual the Japanese government has been in protecting its citizens from the radiation spewing from the Fukushima-1 nuclear complex. The Government took early steps to ban green grocery products from the evacuation zone getting to consumers. Why on earth weren't they able to anticipate that farmers in the affected area would try to market their beef?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 18 Jul 11 - 05:53 AM

The past week there have been reports of increasing concern about meat with high radioactive caesium content turning up all over Japan, and being sold and eaten.

Japanese government now set to ban shipping of beef and cattle from Fukushima prefecture.

Guardian report


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 11:26 PM

Q-

Something to mull overnight.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 08:31 PM

Goshi Hosono, minister in charge of handling the nuclear crisis, said that a new regulatory body for atomic power should be established by April.
Prime Minister Kan has suggested making the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency an independent watchdog by splitting it from the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry.
Hosono said it is important to attempt unification of the nuclear safety agency and the Cabinet Office's Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan. He also suggested that the new body should incorporate the radiation monitoring fonctions currently under the jurisdiction of the Science Ministry.
On whether the new body should be an independent commission separate from government, Hosono said, "I wonder if we can bring the benefits of both into one. I hope it will be a reliable administrative organization that can also serve the role of communicating views freely."
Japan Times, Monday, July 18, 2011.

This sounds more like a re-arrangement of the furniture rather than an effective separation of supervision and government.

In other news, Prime Minister Kan and Gosho Hosano said the government may look into easing the 20-km no-entry zone when the radiation-spewing reactors are stabilized.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jul 11 - 02:30 PM

This thread is beginning to be a useful 'first source' since many of the news reports and columnnist discussions will be deleted from the net before long.
Some judgemental and paranoid posts, but much that is useful. Charley's extracts from some of the committee reports are especially useful, since they cover material outside of normal reportage (or at least mine).


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 10:18 PM

Q-

Such history always makes for interesting reading, now that there's a context!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: mg
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 09:24 PM

add some organized crime and thoughts about expendibility of Korean workers, their "untouchable" caste, a traumatized country from the war, etc. etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 03:43 PM

Intriguing stuff Q. Thanks! I shall try to make time for reading it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 03:34 PM

"....which protected operators...


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 03:29 PM

Interesting story!
"Key players got nuclear ball rolling" Cash paved the way even amid safety doubts on high ineptitude.
Japan Times, Eric Johnstone, staff writer.
"How did earthquake-prone Japan....come to embrace nuclear power....?
This is a tale whose main characters include two former prime ministers, a suspected war criminal, CIA agent and post-war media baron, and Japan's "Charles Lindbergh," a flamboyant pilor who encouraged people to search for uranium in their backyards."
"It also involves thousands of politicians, bureaucrats and the pronuclear media collectively known as Japan's "nuclear power village.""
In 1953, furure prime minister Nakasone was a student at Harvard, who learned that the U.S. was about to allow the technology used to build the atomic bombs to be exported for peaceful use of atomic power.
President Eisenhower announced the "Atoms for Peace" initiative to allies like Japan.
Matsutaro Shoriki, head of Nippon TV and previously jailed for Class A war crimes, also was head of the influential Yomiuri Shimbun, strongly supported nuclear power. In 1954, a research budget was passed by the Diet.
Zensaku Azuma, a popular aviator figure, discovered uranium deposits; his discovery caused others to buy Geiger counters and the craze was on.
Shoriki was elected to Parliament and soon was head of the new Japan Atomic Energy Commission in 1956.
A report from the Science and Technology Agency pointed out the cost of liability claims if things went wrong, but the repost was hidden for 40 years.
The Diet passed an act which nuclear operators from liability "in the case where the damage is caused by a grave natural disaster of an exceptional character or by an insurrection."
New laws were passed to provide roads, bridges, community centers, and public works in exchange for permission from local governments to build nuclear reactors.

Much more to the article, well-worth reading.
Japan nuclear history


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 02:52 PM

Glitch forces shutdown of the Oi nuclear power reactor in Fukui Prefecture, adding to power shortage woes. The problem was with the cooling system.
Two more reactors run by Kepco in the Kansai region are scheduled to be halted Thursday and Friday for regular inspections and maintenance.
This will mean eight of 13 commercial reactors in Fukui Prefecture run by Kepco will be offline.
Japan Times, July 16, 2011.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 02:25 PM

The best thread is the one kept up by the International Atomic Energy Agency, IAEA.org. Update summary here:
Update


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jul 11 - 12:18 PM

On npr they mentioned a website that was developed soon after the Japan Nuclear Disaster, much like this thread, to concentrate all the news regarding the JND.

Do you know what it is called?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 02:21 PM

Mainichi is a good news source. I must look at it more often. Along with Japan Times, it is more open, I think, than NHK, which is government funded.

I do like NHK nature and cultural films, some of which have been running on Oasis TV here in Canada.
NHK (one of their outlets) can be subscribed to on cable here in Calgary, But the programs are all in Japanese.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 08:20 AM

Jim-

Thanks for the link above providing a cautious assessment of the radioactive filtering system at Fukushima-1. It's still seems highly optimistic to me that they could process the entire inventory of radioactive contaminated water in the pools and trenches on site by October-November but at least they're making progress. And what do they do with the highly radioactive filters?

My own inane comments above:

"But sometimes it got to get off base."

which I suppose was meant to say:

But sometimes it's good to get off base.

Oh, well, after an interesting day splinting up a broken mower shaft of my 60-year old tractor, it's a wonder I was even that coherent. The splint is holding by the way. And no field mice were injured in the fields being mowed.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 15 Jul 11 - 07:28 AM

I don't know whether this tells us anything we didn't already know about the water filtering situation but here it is anyway:

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/news/20110709p2a00m0na010000c.html

I am signing in as a guest as my membership seems to have been blocked on my browser, apparently due to the actions of UK trolls although I am Republic of Ireland not UK!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 08:37 PM

You, Charley? Never!

Some headlines from Japan Times.
1. Tepco injects nitrogen into No. 3 reactor at Fukushima, to reduce the risk of further hydrogen explosions.
2. Government-commissioned experts noted in the early 1990s the possibility of fatal damage to nuclear power plants resulting from loss of all alternating-current sources for long periods, as in the case of the Fukushima No. 1 plant, but played down the risk.
3. Tohoku land use guidelines- Fish-processing firms can build plants along the coast, but hospitals and welfare facilities must be inland.
4. Sanitary conditions are deteriorating in shelters as the temperature rises.
5. Phasing out nuke power an aspiration, not policy. Edano.
6. Power shortages top concern for investors.

If you wish to read them, google Japan Times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 06:48 PM

gnu et al-

Hey, even I am totally off base on occasion. But sometimes it got to get off base.

Thankfully, I've got some friends here to gently bring me back to earth.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 06:13 PM

Thanks Q. I was way off base, but that's not new.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 05:44 PM

Canada and Latin America use the same 60 Hz system as the U.S. and 100-120 volts. The 50 hertz 220-240 v system is used in Europe and much of the world.

AEG of Germany in 1891 adopted and sold 50Hz systems, Westinghouse in 1890 developed and sold 60Hz systems.

This has nothing to do with systems of weights and measures.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 05:24 PM

Gnu, it happened in the 1890s. MacArthur was still in school back then, graduating from the U.S. Military Academy in 1903.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 03:40 PM

I assume the 50/60 thing was caused by "MacArthur". Why the Yanks want to cling to the Imperial system to this day is beyond me. I loath it and why anyone would buck transition to the the International System is just... beyond me. Yes, it costs a few bucks but the USA doesn't dictate to the world any more with a trade deficit and a monthly due date it may not be able to meet. Just odd to me that Yankee commerce as a whole didn't see it looming as a "cost" in the long run.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 02:54 PM

I seem to remember posting on the fragmented power grid much earlier in this thread. I have had to look it up again, I plead memory failure.
Eastern Japan including Tokyo is 50 hertz but the rest is on 60 cycle.
It dates from the 19th C.
Tokyo area selected German 50 hertz. Osaka and much of the west selected 60 cycle from the U.S.
There is a good article in Scientific American, but their website is down for revision.
Apparently there are only three small converter stations that bridge a fraction of the gap.
Yes, engineering could cure this, but a multiyear rebuild at billions of yen is involved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 14 Jul 11 - 02:25 PM

NHK has several "annoying" stories but here's just one...

Radioactive cesium far exceeding safe limits has been detected in hay fed to cattle at a second farm near the crippled nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture.

Fukushima's government warned on Thursday that 42 possibly contaminated cattle have already been shipped out from the farm in Asakawa Town.

The finding came during inspections ordered by the prefecture after a large dose of the radioactive substance was found in hay at the first farm in Minami-Soma City.

The latest checks uncovered radioactive cesium measured up to 97,000 becquerels per kilogram -- some 73 times the government-set safety limit.

The 42 cattle had been sent to 4 meat-processing plants between April 8th and July 6th -- 14 to Yokohama; 13 to Tokyo; 10 to Sendai and 5 to Chiba.

The prefecture has ordered the farm to stop shipping and transporting its cattle.

It has also provided detailed information to relevant municipalities, asking them to trace back distribution channels of beef from the cattle.

Thursday, July 14, 2011 21:52 +0900 (JST)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: mg
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:05 PM

I think if you allowed true engineering to prevail over whatever the hell is going on over there, you would have a fairly rapid recovery of the electric system and with it the economy and the health of the people. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 11:00 PM

mg-

Good point on the radically different power grids in the Japanese home islands. It doesn't make sense in a modern world.

One does wonder what the history was. I'm guessing that it was independent capitalists with economic ties to particular foreign corporations. But maybe you will provoke some real research.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 07:17 PM

It appears the present and future economies are tied to nuke power for better or worse all over the world. BUT, if the money holders are taken down over this disatser perhaps that will change the playing field to the inclusion of reasonable engineering design to accomodate Mum Nature.

Certainly, the US Army Corps of Engineers knew the NO's levees were insufficient but politicians wouldn't fund the coin to build them properly. It happens every day. I ran into it day after day as a design engineer... some pencil pushing accountant sitting at the table saying what the CEO wanted to hear and drowning out the voice of reason.

Even senior engineers get sucked into the job of lacky... I once told my engineer boss that if he subverted a tender policy to accept a tainted (low by well over $100,000 on a $3M contract) bid that I would inform the RCMP. It was a Crown Corporation and I won out with my threat (which I WOULD have followed through on because it's my professional duty to the public) but it was not a pleasant work environment after that.

I assume the engineers in the nuke industry experience the same frustration and worse because they are in a PRIVATE company and baby needs a new pair of shoes... it ain't all that simple when you are trying to feed your family and the rich pricks don't give a shit abut YOUR family.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 06:01 PM

Softbank proposal for solar power generation. 36 of 47 prefectures have signed up, also Osaka, which relies heavily on nuclear power.
Son, the president, said "setting up solar panels on 20 percent of unused or abandoned farm land can have the generating capacity of about 50 gigawatts, equivalent to the output of about 50 nuclear generators."
"By aiming also to introduce other energy sources, such as wind and geothermal power by 2020, Son envisions raising the share of renewable energy in Japan to about 20 percent of total electricity generation." Japan Times, July 13, 2011.

Note that no-one has proposed replacing all nuclear generators. The energy demands of Japanese industry are so large that this would be impossible with the present state of engineering knowhow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 05:09 PM

It seems that one of their main problems is an unbelieveable grid where one part of the country has one kind of voltage and the other side has a different kind so they can not transfer from one side to another.

They are sitting on a goldmine of tidal power and wind power..and I believe geothermal power...and have land that can not be used for farming now but could have wind I would think on a seacoast.

Anyway, it seems that upgrading the grid as well as getting local power to local needs would be very important business.

I know why the grid developed how it did..different companies with different designs..but what if any was the incentive for keeping it that way over the years in a pretty prosperous industrial country dependent on electricity...some have suggested then you need nuclear power so was it done on purpose? mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 03:59 PM

The BBC article is misleading. Kan wants to reduce dependence on nuclear energy, and wants 20 percent in the 2020s.
As a result of this policy, dependence on fossil fuels will increase temporarily.
He said nothing about ending nuclear energy, only reducing dependence.
Japan Times, Wed. July 13. "Kan plan set to end nuclear goals" (of reaching 53 percent by 2030.

In another article, Softbank Corp. is proposing solar plants on idle farmland.

The lead article in today's Japan Times says GE proposed alterations to their original plans for Fukushima reactors, but TEPCO would not permit any changes in the original plans.

In the meantime, the opposition may turn out Kan in forthcoming elections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Jul 11 - 10:54 AM

Kan promises a nuclear-free future:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14137186

but without providing any concrete suggestions as to how.

That has to be the least convincing poltical promise since Thatcher's "the NHS is safe in our hands".


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 03:08 PM

Good to hear that the recent 7.1 earthquake caused no major damage. The Japanese deserve some good luck. But they shouldn't count on it.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 01:43 PM

Q... heheheheee.

Scandalous re the e!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 01:18 PM

Oh well, Gnu, we all need a bath sometime.

No damage from the offshore earthquake and only a 10 centimeter' 'tsunami'.

Dirty Tricks
A whistle-blower within the company exposed phony emails sent by the Kyushu Electric Power Company that supported restarting their nuclear power stations. The emails purported to be from local residents.
Japan Times, Sunday July 10.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 10:15 AM

I was just thinkin... where I sit is elevation 32m and there's a pretty clear run straight right at me at "the Bend" in the river which is very wide at the mouth and narrows toward the bend. We have a tidal bore (used to have before the causeway silted up the river... now it's paltry). If we had a tsunami like they had, I'd get wet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 03:28 AM

No tsunami this time thank God, but I wonder what further structural damage may have been caused to the sites:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14096707


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 06:34 AM

Well, if you turn on power stations that are still churning out nuclear pollution, the lights are gonna go out anyway aren't they?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 05:33 PM

Well, they are in a tough situation on more than one front in the shutdowns. The shareholders, the public AND the industries that need power. Ya can't just turn off the lights can ya?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 03:23 PM

The Japanese Cabinet has approved a bill to enable the central government to remove and dispose of debris on behalf of afflicted municipalities upon their request. 148 municipalities in nine prefectures will be eligible for government help in clealing the estimated 21.8 million tons of debris, which interferes with reconstruction and is a breeding ground for pests.
Environmental Minister Eda said the government will "uphold the fundamental principle that it is the municipalities job to handle waste disposal, [but] financial assistance will be given through tax allocations to ease their burden."

"Two now-former Kyushu Epectric Power Co. executives .... were involved in a ploy to have employees solicit supportive public comments during an industry-sponsored event pushing for the restart of two of the utility's reactors...."

"Prime Minister Naoto Kan apologized to his cabinet... for his sudden order to conduct "stress tests" on all nuclear power plants in Japan." Further items in the article indicate that the order has caused confusion, as some members of the cabinet are not in agreement.

Extracted from three articles in Japan Times, July 8, 2011.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 11:44 AM

Another awkward moment. We keep saying things like the Japanese should be well prepared to deal with disaster in terms of technical requirements, logistics, supplies, and communications. And they keep failing to make passing grades for any of the above.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 08 Jul 11 - 06:23 AM

Total confusion of testing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14075758


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 08:16 PM

I missed this June 21 update from NIRS, a map which indicates that radiation has spread well beyond the evacuation zone, at a level which should be of concern to the public: click here for report!

"A new version of the map we posted Friday of radiation readings in Japan sheds more light on the vast contamination of the northern part of the country and new evidence that the government's response has been woefully inadequate. The map is here. (Warning, this is a very large—15mb—pdf file; not recommended for slow connections).

For perspective, a radiation level of about 0.19 MicroSieverts/hour is roughly equivalent to the maximum allowable radiation exposure level (1 MilliSievert/year or 100 Millirems/year (note 0.19 actually comes out to 166 mrem/year) for the United States. Until March 2011, that was also the allowable exposure level in Japan."

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 01:56 PM

Much confusion in BBC and other reports about the state of reactors in Japan.
Argument about "restart" - 19 of the reactors are in full swing, unaffected by any stop order. Article in China Post, as reported by BBCnews online.

As I noted in my last post, two plants in "test" mode are operating full tilt and supplying electricity to the national grid. As long as they don't make status requests, the government cannot stop them.

The pressure of Japanese industry will insure general startup soon.

Scientists in Japan are worried about Hamaoaka plant, whose operator has agreed to a temporary shutdown in order to make improvements to its ability to withstand quakes. It sits on a major fault line.
guardian.co.uk, 9 May 2011.
Checking reports, the plant, operated by Chubu Electric, has not yet shut down. Charley may have found a better report.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 07:39 AM

"It's only a test!"

"Nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go...."

Have a nice day!

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 07 Jul 11 - 06:35 AM

Nuclear tests criticised:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14058940


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 07:46 PM

Sticking to the subject, two stories in the Japan Times Wednesday.

1. Unsanctioned Reactors Running on Test Mode. Story from Bloomberg.
"Kansai Electric Power Co. and Hokkaido Electric Power Co. are operating two nuclear reactors without approval...."
"A reactor at Kepco's Ohi nuclear plant is operating at full capacity without the final go-ahead from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, ... said a spokesman from the Osaka-based utility.
"The same applies for a reactor at Hokkaido Electric's Tomari plant, spokesman Hisatoshi Kibayashi said."
"... It's unusual the reactors are running for four months on a tst basis, but there is nothing illegal about it," said Tomohiro Sawada, an assistant director at NISA's nuclear power inspection division."
... "The approvals for the Ohi and Tomari reactors haven't been granted because Kepco and Hokkaido Electric have yet to submit requests to NIsa, .... Both reactors are supplying power to the electricity grid."

Makes one wonder what regulatory power the government has.

2. TEPCO pledges 300,000 yen more to each evacuee. ... "The payment follows the first provisional compensation payment, in which Tepco gave up to one million yen to each household within 30 km of the radiation-leaking plant....
People who did not evacuate but were in areas where residents were asked to stay indoors will be paid 100,000 yen each. ...
The total amount of additional compensation will reach up to 48 million yen.

There are stories that the company may go into bankruptcy.

The paper also has more on the inspections being required on food and farm items from Shizuoka Prefecture after green tea leaves imported to France were found to be double the EU limit for radioactive caesium.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 03:51 PM

Meanwhile in the Mediterranean:

Jellyfish at Hadera, Israel


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 06 Jul 11 - 07:02 AM

Japan to hold stress tests:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14040354


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 07:32 AM

Just the kind of shot in the foot this effort needs.

If the impact weren't so tragic this unfolding story would make a fine comic opera, and may well inspire several mediocre ones.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 05 Jul 11 - 03:13 AM

Minister in charge of tsunami clean-up quits after only one week:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14024206


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 08:19 PM

Q-

As I recall, Units 5 and 6 were shut down for re-fueling and maintenance. So there should be no fuel in their cores. The worry would be with regard to the continued cooling of their spent fuel pools.

As I've vented several times before, the 6 spent fuel pools and the 7th common spent fuel pool are what ups the ante for a nuclear catastrophe at Fukushima-1. The engineers on-site should appreciate that danger. The general public assumes that "spent nuclear fuel" is harmless.

I think that recycling the filtered but still contaminated coolant makes more sense than adding fresh water to the mix. One assumes that the more heavily contaminated water will be filtered again. It would also be nice if their Areva decontamination plant would stay on-line. One wonders what they'll do with the highly radioactive filters, other than dump them into the Pacific.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 07:08 PM

An article in The Wall Street Journal (Asia) says Tepco has resumed using contaminated water to cool the reactors.
This is better than contaminating fresh seawater, but each time the water is recycled, is more radioactivity added?
It is not clear that the Areva decontamination system is 100 percent effective, or only partially effective, in removing contaminants as they are cycled through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 07:00 PM

Another report here- http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n253640

It says that when the cooling operation is halted, the temperature is expected to rise 2.5 C. per hour.
"The company [Tepco] says that if the replacement work finishes during the night and the cooling system is restarted, the water temperature will not exceed 100 degrees, the level needed to keep the reactor in a state of cold shutdown."
"The No. 5 reactor was hit by a pump failure on May 29th, when a delay in recovery briefly sent the water temperature to 94.8 degrees."

In other words, "cold shutdown" must be maintained by a constant flow of water!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 06:46 PM

Charley, I'm confused as well, but that is the story in the Japan Times, Reactor 5 at Fukushima 1.

So- What do they mean by cold shutdown?
Did the quake/tsunami damage the rod containment so that water must constantly be added to keep the rods cool?
I dunno!

A report 04.04.11 said stability at 5-6 under threat. Listening to the youtube coverage of the broadcast of that date- youtube.com/watch?v=W7uGvW8xvY, they were worried about flooding at 5-6, but is is hard to understand the brief cuts by the spokesmen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:41 PM

Thanks for the updates!

I'll be quite happy if this thread can be gracefully retired but that may be a few hundred years from now.

Q-

Is that reactor Unit 5 at Fukushima-1? I thought Units 5 and 6 were in cold shutdown.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:01 PM

Why? Did _______ pick them?

Hose rip interrupts water flow to No. 5 reactor at Fukushima, for 3 1/2 hours. Seems to be the only incident today.
"If it hadn't been fixed, the reactor would have reached boiling point about 22hours later... That would cause all its water to ewvaporate, exposing the rods and causing another core meltdown."
"On May 29, unit 5 nearly started boiling after a seawater pump broke overnight and its replacement was delayed until daylight."
Japan Times, Sunday, July 3.

Being an independent newspaper, I prefer the Japan Times to NHK, a government-run source.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 03:37 PM

Ohhhh... it will remain "active"... wash your grapes from Calleeforneeahh and your cherries from Washington really well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 03:02 PM

I hope this thread remains active.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 02:55 PM

staff writer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 02:52 PM

"The long road to recovery remains stuck at square one, with the government unable to decide how to handle the rubble and radioactive debris that still plagues much of the region, not to mention the radioactive waste that is being found far outside of Fukushima."

"Hot spots are spreading, schools just hide dangerous soil."

In a usual understatement, Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said last month- "This is an issue that calls for a certain amount of thorough examination."
"According to the ministry, any radioactive waste measuring 8,000 becquerels of caesium per killogram can be managed by disposal sites, but separately from other garbage and only if the facility is equipped with special filters."
"...officials settled on 8000 becquerels because that level is deemed safe for the people directly involver with handling the waste." This waste will be buried in waste dumps. "Where the burial facility will be located remains undecided."

Outsife Fukushima Prefecture, "a sludge plant in Koto Ward, Tokyo, had a level of radioactivity of about 170,000 becquerels per kilogram." "A group of local mothers argue that the area is now a radioactivity hot spot."

Friday, July 1, 2011, Japan Times- "Radioactive Debris Dilemma Unresolved, Growing Worse." Jun Hongo, stall writer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 01:10 PM

The stream of info at NHK is drying up. Only a trickle now. Spent fuel pool at #3 is at 40C. 1 $ 4 pools cooling systems to be operating in a month... water injection continues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 10:02 AM

Shifting focus to Taiwan and the impact of the Fukushima-1 disaster on that country's nuclear energy policy:

INTERPRESS SERVICE: TAIWAN Opposition Urges Nuclear Phase-out By 2025 (Dennis Engbarth)

"The nuclear power issue is warming up to be a major issue in the coming presidential and national legislative election in January. My story outlines the position of Tsai Ing-wen, who is the presidential candidate for the centrist and Taiwan - centric Democratic Progressive Party, which grew out of the struggle against the authoritarian rule of the Chinese Nationalist Party (Kuomintang or KMT) and which is now back as an elected (right-wing) ruling party. Since the KMT created Taiwan`s three nuclear power plants during the authoritarian period (and of course didnt bother to ask the people whether they wanted the risk) and is pouring funds into the completion of the fourth nuclear power plant, the battle lines are pretty clearly drawn. During its eight years in power from May 2000-May 2008, the DPP initially tried to halt construction of the fourth plant but was blocked by the legislature, which was still (and remains) KMT controlled.

The KMT and its incumbent President Ma Ying-jeou (a Harvard University law PHD and ex spy on students) are rather scared of the nuclear power issue given what has happened in Germany, Italy etc and the revitalization of Taiwan`s nuclear power and environmental movement. At a civic forum on the issue in Taipei last weekend, Environmental Protection Administration Minister Shen Chih-hung said that the issue should be decided mainly through ``professional commissions`` and should NOT become an election issue, which of course means that it is already an election issue that is hurting the KMT, especially among independent voters.

Last weeks forum on on nuclear power and Taiwan`s energy policy had the most ever discussion of alternatives I`ve seen. Besides a long presentation by Tsai on her policy proposal (which environmentalists see as rather too moderate but certainly preferable to the KMT`s ``full speed ahead`` (of course, the KMT premier insists that N4 will only be loaded and started if it is 100 percent safe....) and by the German unofficial diplomatic rep her and a rep from the Japan Green Party, there were very detailed presentations on clean coal with carbon storage, solar, wind, dispersed and intelligent power systems (the system now run by the state-power Taiwan Power Co is very centralized and dumb and very unfriendly to renewables or cogen as Taipower doesn`t want to buy back excessive power for its grid)."

I should mention that the reporter Dennis Engbarth is an old friend of mine from my days in East Lansing, Michigan in the 1970's.

And so it goes!
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 07:10 PM

Onward!


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 04:53 PM

E-mails from British Government officials leaked to the Guardian (newspaper) reveal how government contacted Nuclear Industry two days after earthquake in order to devise a joint PR campaign downplaying the disaster.

Article


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 02:26 PM

It is now expected that the Las Conchas fire will miss Los Alamos and the inhabitants will be able to return soon.

Summer vacation season brings tourists and attendants to the musical and other events although most are wintertime events.
Guitarist Sandy Hoffman in concert July 21, Los Pinguos (Argentina) in August, etc. The very unusual Farmer's Market (Northern New Mexico specialities) in full swing.
The Science Museum has activities for the whole family.

Contaminated soil? Not in the townsite. A lovely small city.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 01:47 PM

Earthquake? Flood? Fire? ... the angels pour out yet another vial of apocalypse over a nuclear power station...

Scottish nuclear power station shut down by jellyfish


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 11:01 PM

About the only really worry is if the radioactive soil on site becomes airborne when the fire storm rolls over it and it becomes mobilized in the plume.

The safety precautions taken by the staff in recent years should protect the thousands of drums of low-level radioactive waste from the fire.

I'm not convinced that the lab buildings themselves are invulnerable to a fire storm.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:12 PM

Links to maps showing Las Conchas fire extent and location of Los Alamos here:
New Mexico Fire Info


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 09:02 PM

The latest, most accurate information is available from the Laboratory itself.
Los Alamos National Laboratory

Research into medicine, vaccines, genetics, ocean and air circulation, the environment, global security and other subjects are all part of the programs at the Laboratory. More laboratory space and personnel are devoted to these subjects than to nuclear research.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:43 PM

Los Alamos is about 7300 feet, in the pine-piñon elevation, with some cottonwoods for variety. It is on mesas of a large plateau. I remember when it only was a private boys school, some of my friends went there for high school level, and I was unhappy that my family couldn't afford to send me there. The area is great for camping, there are pre-historic ruins nearby, and the great Valle Grande, a collapsed caldera, also is nearby, now a preserve with much wildlife.

The government moved in, built the labs, and it has grown to a town of about 23,000. Many people commute from nearby towns.
The citizens living there are middle class, many with advanced degrees, and as a result theatre, music, dance and art are part of the recreational activities and festivals are well-attended by people from Santa Fe and the entire region.

I see no threat to nuclear materials, most of which are stored below ground level. Ten years ago, another forest fire went into the townsite. It is a research and engineering facility, no nuclear reactor is there.

See http://visit.losalamos.com/home.htm for a visitor guide and calender of events.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:16 PM

BBC coverage of the Los Alamos fire:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13937781


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 06:48 PM

Soooo... wildfires are treatenting fuel storage at Los Alamos? Just saw it on tape from the news last night. WTF?


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 08:32 PM

France is steaming ahead with approval of the next generation of nuclear power plants. This new generation of plants will be much safer than the oh so safe nuclear power plants of the previous generation which were so safe that nothing could go wrong and the energy produced was too cheap to meter.

Comme ci, comme ca.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 01:40 PM

Residents of Fukushima Prefecture are beginning to receive radiation checks (esp. thyroid).
Japan Times, Tuesday, June 28.

BBC News this morning says cleaning of contaminated water stalled again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 11:51 AM

But the plant owners wouldn't lie, Charley...


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jun 11 - 08:10 AM

Update:

"Water from the Missouri River that normally aids in cooling the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Station has now become its worst enemy, as a levee helping to protect electrical transformers at the Nebraska facility has collapsed, forcing workers to switch to emergency generators.

Flood waters reached containment buildings and transformers Sunday, forcing the shutdown of electrical power at the plant."

The plant owners claim there is no danger to the public, since the plant was shut down for refueling last April. But one does worry about how well the back-up cooling pumps are functioning to continue to cool the spent fuel pool.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 09:22 AM

A reasonable plan given the unreasonable costs of relying upon nuclear energy in an earthquake/tsunami zone.

So, what is the current thinking along the coast of California, other than "It can't happen here!"

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jim Martin
Date: 26 Jun 11 - 08:24 AM

Hamaoka plant gets emergency aid for alternative energy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13899346


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 11:09 AM

Here's a link to a lot of information from a "worst case" scenario prepared by the UK government in the early stages of the Fukushima-1 disaster: click here for report!

The inventory of high level nuclear waste and fuel at this plant is "nearly double" what was at the Chernobyl nuclear complex but the British thought the environmental impact would be less if there were an explosion because it wasn't encased in graphite, i.e., the resulting plume would not rise as high in the air.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 10:14 PM

Just spent part of the afternoon with some American refugees from NW of Tokyo here in Maine. Their parents convinced them to come home a month ago. It's all very sad because it takes a lot of effort to secure a job in Japan and then have to abandon it. But it was the right call, sad to say. There's no way that anyone can trust TEPCO or the Japanese Government to acknowledge what is really happening in and around Fukushima-1. And the family has young children.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 11 - 06:10 PM

They have to do so. Unfortunate but required.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 09:18 PM

So the citizens in Japan are within acceptable radiation limits even if those limits only cause 14,000 cancers 20 years from now.


oooo I think think they are exaggerating downwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 04:30 PM

Peter's last link was wrong, presumably a copy/paste slip.

The IAEA report for its factfinding commission (24/5/2011-2/6/2011) is here:

PDF document, 2.7MB


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 04:06 PM

NHK...

Residents in 2 areas in Fukushima Prefecture are being asked if they want to temporarily leave their homes to avoid high levels of radiation.

The 2 areas, in Iwaki City, are about 30 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. They are outside the evacuation zone. However, radiation of more than 3 microsieverts per hour has been recorded in the districts.

Three microsieverts per hour is about 5 times the level of radiation in controlled areas that are designated as off-limits for civilians.

The residents are being asked to submit their answers by June 24th.

An elderly man who lives in one of the districts says he feels sorry for his grandchildren who stand to suffer the most from radioactive contamination.

Monday, June 20, 2011 22:02 +0900 (JST)


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 03:50 PM

IAEA Report on Fulushima


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 20 Jun 11 - 02:29 PM

Guardian article outlines the UK government assessment and emergency plan of the Fukushima disaster. The worst case scenario expecting more radiation released to exceed that of Chernobyl.


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Subject: RE: BS: Japan Nuclear plant disaster, 2011
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Jun 11 - 07:06 PM

Here is the official FAA flight restriction for Fort Calhoun:

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_6523.html

It only covers a fairly small area, and has been in place since June 6. Any new r