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Subject: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Jul 00 - 03:34 PM

We have an over abundance of nonsense threads, provocative threads, meanspirited threads, etc. I bite my tongue and pass. But it leaves me angry. At the same time, others choose to answer and keep these threads alive.
My suggestion is that this become the answering ground. Ignore the provocation, let it go to the bottom of the list and die, and come here to vent your spleen.
Some people feed on the turmoil they create. Others try to demean members with their nastiness. This may be a way to avoid provoking them. Any takers?

I'll go first:
To the person who ridiculed Spaw for five responses to his nonsense thread re: homosexuality, please note that you came in second with four posts. And you knew it was a farce!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Jul 00 - 03:36 PM

Kendall,
My apologies. Great minds, same track and all that crap. I defer to your thread.
SINSULL


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jul 00 - 03:42 PM

as long as you agree with me, I'll forgive..


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Bagpuss
Date: 17 Jul 00 - 03:56 PM

A solution.

We use this thread to complain about Kendall's thread, and his thread to complain about this one!!!

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: BlueJay
Date: 17 Jul 00 - 04:19 PM

SINSULL- I think it's a great idea. I haven't responded to quite a few threads lately in hopes they would die. But I still may want to comment on some of these absurd threads. Let me make one up: "Why do most Mudcatters belong to the Mafia"? (violins, horses).

Perhaps some of the more ridiculous threads would disappear if folks posted here, rather than responding to the thread.

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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Homeless
Date: 17 Jul 00 - 05:02 PM

Since Sinsull and Kendall both referred to it, but didn't explain, there is already a thread for complaining about all the garbage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Jul 00 - 06:45 PM

That's OK Homeless........How about we make this the "Bear Dump?" We can all come here and watch the bears eat garbage......feed 'em some Butterfingers and stuff.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: MMario
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 09:41 AM

'spaw - butterfingers make bears fart really bad. can't we just feed them bread and honey or something that doesn't raise the methane count?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Bagpuss
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 09:50 AM

You can't feed them all of that.

They just need the *bear necessities"

*groan*

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST,CLETUS
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 10:28 AM

Mr. Mario, its funny yu shud menchun that sinz me an Paw wuz awahchun bears one nite an Paw wuz flarin sum off an got ta thinkin that them bear farts wud reelly go up. so we made uz a torch onna long stick an Paw poked it up the bears ass and manalive I gotta tell ya it wuz sumpin to beholt. Paw got sinnjed purty bad an that bear had the baldest ass yu ever saw but the reel problem cummalong when the bear seem to take offense......Now Paw ownly lites up his own and sumtime a possum ur two.........

CLETUS


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 11:36 AM

Where did this go wrong? Hmmmm. Catspaw-bear dump- and down we go. Cletus, nice to meet you. You didn't leave that poor bear to go through life with a stick up his butt, did you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 12:05 PM

Cletus, you've got me remembering Miz Lillian, Jimmy Carters mom, or at least a guy called Alan Coren (Limey) who masqueraded as Miz Lillian back in the 70's, in Punch magazine. It was a weekly article that took the form of a letter from Miz Lillian, allegedly in Plains GA, to son Jimmy in the White House.

The occasion was the sad death of Indira Ghandi, the Premier of India at the time. Miz Lillian was despatched by son Jimmy to represent the US of A at the funeral.

That week's spoof article started:-

"Deeyuh Jimmy,

Them Injuns sho' have come a long way since Wounded Knee....."

Skipjack


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST,CLETUS
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 12:25 PM

SINSULL...Ain't no need ta welcumuz sinz me an Paw an the Reg boys bin roundt the Mudcat fer along time now. Yassee Max sez he woant givvuz no cookies sinz he figgers that itz agin the law sinz me an Paw an them Reg boyz got sum kinda thing he callz turmnill stupidity. But ifn' you look back ya kin fine sum stories bout uz. Even sum stuff bout how I wuz cooped up at that Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed an all.

I doan git it Skippinjack, but I know we all got a soft spot for the Carter family cuz they sing reel good even tho mosta them ar daid. Me an Paw ate a 7 corz meel with Billy one time at his gas station an it wuz mitey fine. Everbuddy had a 6-pack and I pickt the choclat moon pie whilst Paw and Billy had bananner.

CLETUS


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: sledge
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 01:03 PM

Us bears don't normaly post to this kind of thing, but i have to tell you folks about this hillbilly who shoved a flamming stick up my ass the other day. Mind you he walks funny these days as well, that banjo was an awfully tight fit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 02:30 PM

To no one in particular: "Oh yeah? Well, same to you buddy!"

I feel much better now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 02:49 PM

People seem to have got very uptight about the homosexuality thread. Surely it is quite proper to ask if the community of folk music has become sexually discriminatory. A former member of my band was gay and broke young ladies hearts wherever he went, by his lack of interest in them. No-one I remember risked his acid tongue (well, not twice) by trying to discriminate "live" and it would be a shame if closet prejudices could do the same online.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Amergin
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 02:54 PM

Is this where all the responses to my comments go?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Bagpuss
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 03:45 PM

Richard - people got annoyed at the homosexuality thread not because of any sort of prejudice or discrimination, but because the person who posted it was just trolling.

Bagpuss


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 05:13 PM

Sorry Cletus,
I meant that it is the first time you and I have crossed paths. Sorry it had to be in the garbage dump. Did you check the Foxy Song Challenge thread? I believe it took place at your friend Billy's gas station. In keeping with the theme here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Gypsy
Date: 18 Jul 00 - 10:31 PM

Wonderful idea! I am sick to death of the inflammatory thread topics that are being posted right now. Seems like people are just looking for fights, not conversation. I am not about to yelp about the "purity" of Mudcat being sullied, haven't attended a session yet where i did NOTHING but play, with not conversation, but some of these postings! Ugh! Hopefully, they will die a natural death, and soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Gypsy
Date: 24 Jul 00 - 11:26 AM

This is great....stayed off the 'cat for a while, and now we no longer have the awful, inflammatory threads that so distressed me. Yay to the Mudcat! Long may her tail wave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 01:12 PM

I hate Anonymous messages in general. But the ones by phantoms pretending to be known members really offend me the most. With this in mind, I request that all responses to the CAPSPAW49 thread be dumped here. Vent and then dispose.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 01:15 PM

Sorry - it's CAPSPAW48.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 02:06 PM

Mary ... the nice thing about the capspaw thread is that we are making a joke of the whole thing and it probably has difussed the poor idget.

This next is more to vent at Willie-O insinuating that I'm a liar by referring to myself as a "working hippie folksinger." He, apparently, thinks there is some status attained in being an unemployed, starving folksinger, rather than a paid musician.

moonchild


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST,free and unbound
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 02:14 PM

Oh moonchild you're SO establishment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 02:35 PM

Oh GUEST, free and unbound, you are SO an asshole who doesn't have the balls to sign your name, and SO uninformed to think you've been in my mind.

moonchild


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 02:56 PM

Good on ya, there moon! turkeys, turkeys, turkeys.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 03:34 PM

I move that all flamers sign in as a THREAD CREEP.

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST,Thread Creep
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 03:45 PM

Moon basket

Calm down a bit!

This a web site - nothing more...


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 03:46 PM

go to hell


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 03:48 PM

some people should realize that even though this is "only a web site" (which is another argument) that doesn't excuse rudeness, personal attacks, stupidity and deliberate disruptivness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 03:52 PM

Actually, GUEST, free and unbound and Thread creep, or whoever the hell you are, if you insist on addressing me personally, please take it to the personal messages page. Oops ... guess you can't do that, unless you use your real name or become a member with your alias. Oh, well ...

moonchild


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 03:53 PM

moonchild - please don't be so angry - count to 20 at least before you spark off

you may have good reason to hate the world, but most of us quite like it and forgive whenever we can


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:07 PM

Moon child,
I will take this to a PM because I am not afraid to be identified with my posts and I have a name. But for the record, if you ignore them they eventually go away. They thrive on the emotions you supply. Starve their pathetic little egos. Allow yourself to thrive on the love and support you are given daily by people here who respect you and care about you. That respect is what instigates their spite in the first place. They are more to be pitied than censured. Smile, Moonie. Life is good.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:10 PM

Thank you, Mary, but I this will be my last post. I seem to be fuel for whoever doesn't have the moral turpitude to sign their name and I don't want to be a party in it, anymore.

moonchild


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:10 PM

Mary

You call yourself 'sinsull' Can you please explain how that is any bit less anonymous than 'guest?'

I have no idea who you are - so please don't take the moral high ground


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:18 PM

Because Sinsull is consistantly Sinsull and makes no bones about it. She can be contacted through a PM and the response will come from her.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 04:18 PM

Moonie,
See in the PMs.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 05:09 PM

MMario,
Thank you for making the point so clearly and succinctly. Join Kendall in the ranks of Knights in Shining Armor.There are so many great people here. I hope Moonchild chooses to stay. She adds a gentle balance to Spaw's... welllllll to Spaw.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bob jr
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 09:25 PM

the garbage idea didnt seem to work out to well


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 09:43 PM

Moonchild,... You are wonderful.

The 'net chats seem to be like snake pits, but this one is indeed different. Lotsa tention in our lives with no place to turn. Keep thinking good thoughts, and try to let the jerks down easy. It isn't about hurting them back, like some would say,... its about tai-chi.

ttr, (who otta listen to his own advice more often)...('!')


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:30 PM

*just making notes..compiling little turns of phrase...doing little searches.* Sooner or later, most trolls give themselves away by their style....


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:50 PM

Aren't you the clever clogs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 10:54 PM

caught two already...*grin*...who knows?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:07 PM

You sure dont.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 00 - 11:14 PM

Let him alone. Let him feel useful


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Sailor Dan
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 05:11 AM

Well how do you like that 3 of the last 4 threads previous to this were posted by idiots. It gets to a point,(like the ones on their heads) that the signin "Guest" 99 times out of 100 equate to "idiot"

Sailor DAn


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:25 AM

I have a problem with the title "Idiot". Just because someone chooses to post under a non name such as "Guest" doesn't make them an idiot. We need a new and more accurate way of addressing someone who we dont approve of.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:51 AM

that's why "troll" was originally coined for the internet. It has numberous connotations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 08:58 AM

I didn't think I'd ever get this reactionary, but I can now see the point of some of the arguments in the membership-only thread.
Sure, the Digitrad and the forum would be open to all, but couldn't guests have read-only access?
Personally I cannot conceive of any point at which I'd want to post anonymously. Gervase is my name, and if I think someone's a wanker, I'll call them so with my head above the parapet. If someone hasn't got the balls to post under their own name, they souldn't have the right to flame and troll anonymously. In my book the word "Guest" comes with its own connotations - like respect, courtesy and the need sometimes to bite you're tongue when someone is being an arsehole?
The Mudcat is a big place, and getting bigger by the day. I can't even begin to think how many people use this site, many as guests, others as lurkers (if you're out there, Dominic, speak up!) and perhaps a minority as members.
It would be a miracle if all of those people found everyone else a wonderfully fluffy, huggable human being. This is a community, for Christ's sake, and it'll have its share of village idiots, half-wits fuckwits, bigots and the odd drunken bore who seems to have become part of the bar.
If any of them start to iritate you, just walk away and find a more congenial part of the cafe ('Spaw, of course, can have a letter from matron excusing him 'walk away duties' - he's big enough and decent enough to be able to defuse things face to face).
Yes, it takes courage to walk away in the face of an injury, but you'll be stronger for it - and it really pisses off the bullies of this world.
Anyway, how do you think passing trade would react if they looked through the window of the Mudcat Cafe and saw nothing but fights going on. (Shit, that cappucino just missed my head - cut it out!)
Sorry about the ran t. Please speak after the high moral tone.

This is a nice place - don't fuck it up. And if anyone wants to make something of it, I'll see them outside.... :-)
gervase@pre-emption.com


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Gervase
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:02 AM

Sorry about the bold text above. I wasn't meaning to shout, I just bolloxed up my posting!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:19 AM

Sailor Dan, a lot of the no-name attached GUESTs are compulsively posting, self appointed critics, but it's not worth accidentally flaming a newbie asking a question for lyrics to assume they all are. I don't think it's worth wrongly deciding that someone meant something they didn't simply because there's no name up there. I still think the words should be more important than the name or lack of a name.

I don't have any respect for people who toss their cookies because they know what they're doing is wrong, and do it anyway. A lack of respect for them translates to "who cares" when they type some sort of childish insult. I'm imagining the "Aren't you the clever clogs" as a bit of whiney, snooty commentary by that Angelica brat in "Rugrats." I never figured out why those other kids wanted to play with her at all.

How about "brat," Kendall?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 10:16 AM

Hear, hear, Gervase!! Well-said!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 11:41 AM

Christians will turn the other cheek.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 11:55 AM

"turning the other cheek" isn't that what some people call "mooning"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 12:06 PM

Jeri

I would not flame a newbie, after all I am quite new to the cat myself. When I first came here I requested a set of Lyrics and Chords to a song that I was trying to learn for the banjo.

My request was promptly answered by 3 people within a 2 hour time frame. I was most appreciative. The "Guest" items I referred to as idiots were the 3 of the four directly above my post. The fourth of course being Bill D whom signs in as himself as I do.

Maybe the use of the word idiot equating to the title Guest is improper and offensive to you or some others. I therefore offer my apologies to those offended by the inappropriate correlation. The apology DOES NOT extend to the &@^#$@#@^@&@*#&#^#&^#& who make smart remarks and only use the title "Guest". Actually I didnt want to use my Navy Language as a description of what I really meant. Again My apologies.

Nice Post Gervase, when you step outside I would like to stand Next to you.

Sailor DAn


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: MMario
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 12:11 PM

And I don't think anyone has a problem with people who choose to not become members, and thus are guest,so&so; or Guest,whatever.

it's the deliberatly anonymous guests who are obviously regulars that annoy and detract


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: keltcgrasshoppper
Date: 27 Jul 00 - 09:49 PM

Geez..We go away for two weeks, and don't have a clue what has happened to this forum.. WHO ARE THESE LURKERS??? I guess I'm glad I missed it. Hope that they find some sick site to stir up soon. Hey try MASSLIVE SOUND BOARD. That would be a good place for you..


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 11:45 AM

In keeping with the original intent of this thread, I think mu problem is a little more serious than "piles"


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 12:05 PM

Kendall,
Thank you for dumping that here - no pun intended. Our playmate is trying to fill the site with bullshit threads. He grumped in one about this thread so I guess it's serving its purpose. By the way, piles of talent and the other kind both respond to ice although talent responds better when you throw on a little whiskey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Homeless
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 01:35 PM

In this thread on Illiteracy everyone is saying how bad illiteracy is. But after reading these two threads, Kendall has piles and Big Mick plays a D chord I think maybe not enough people are illiterate. It sure would be nice if GUEST: Lyndon Larouche couldn't read or write.

And his claim that "I find that Preparation H works well" even ruins my theory that he is a perfect asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 01:37 PM

Well, take heart, Homeless, if he admits the Prep H was of help, perhaps it was an improvement and he IS a perfect asshole, now!*bg*


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:03 PM

How sad. For two years now, I've enjoyed mixing a bit of "off beat humour" in with my usual "instrument tips", and "tales from the road". I guess it's at an end now. Even sadder, knowing the source.

Rick


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:05 PM

With a whole load of non-music threads, maybe some redirection may be needed. So here is a song which may or may not be deemed apppropriate for this thread - Neil Innes' "How Sweet to be an Idiot" (words lifted from www.neilinnes.org)

How sweet to be an idiot As harmless as a cloud Too small to hide the sun Almost poking fun At the warm but insecure untidy crowd

How sweet to be an idiot And dip my brain in joy Children laughing at my back With no fear of attack As much retaliation as a toy How sweet to be an idiot How sweet

I tiptoe down the street Smile at everyone I meet But suddenly a scream smashes through my dream Fee fi fo fum, I smell the blood of an asylum Blood of an asylum? But mother, I'm playing so beautifully! Ha ha! Listen! Ha ha! Fee fi fo fum, I smell the blood of an asylum Hey you! You're such a pedant! You got as much brain as a dead ant! As much imagination as a caravan site!

But I still love you, still love you, oo-oo-oo-oo-oo, how swee-ee-eet to be an idiot

How sweet

How sweeeeeeeeeeee - *t*

How-ow-ow sweeeet

Cheers Rana


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:07 PM

If you let the sinners keep you out of church, they will also keep you out of heaven...Rick, to quote an old song.."I wouldn't change a single thing about you if I could, the way you are just suits me to a "T"...etc. Then, of course there is that old Maine proverb.."Never wrestle with a pig..you both get filthy, but, the pig likes it."


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:17 PM

Rick,
Please don't change. Especially because you know the source. Kendall's right .."Never wrestle with a pig..you both get filthy, but, the pig likes it." You've given that particular pig enough gratification.


Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:22 PM

I do like folks who agree with me! I dont care what they say about you Sinsull, you're ok in my book! LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 02:38 PM

Oh. So there is a clique where you all meet to talk about the lowly newbies and snicker at their insecurities. Well, guess what. I don't care what they say about me either!
But who's saying it?
SINSULL, getting more insecure by the post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 04:20 PM

relax dear..thats just an expression of affection around here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 05:31 PM

Yeah, Rick, the miserable gits are nuttin'....they will be shut out, don't let them drive you off, darlin'..without you...it would never be the same....well said, Kendall and Sinsull....she is fitting right in, isn't she?Whoo-hoo!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 06:53 PM

she sure is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 28 Jul 00 - 09:51 PM

rick ... who would give me lessons on f chords and bflats and teach me how to work on my neck, both via the "edgar cayce" method, if you left?

moonchild


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 01:02 AM

I think the recent pattern of responding to trolls and flamers by turning their comments around on them, and making something positive of it, is a great way to handle such things, but hurling anonymous unfriendly insults at moonchild (as opposed to the friendly slagging between friends that goes on here) and then telling her to lighten up after she responds? I can't fault the straightforward "go to hell" it got back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Naemanson
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 01:22 AM

Sinsull, I can confirm what Kendall said about his statement: "I dont care what they say about you Sinsull, you're ok in my book!" In Maine it really is a term of affection and approval. I use it all the time.

In general I think we have something we cannot fix because there is no way to get at the problem. I don't know who has hurt Rick but it sounds like it was one of those unkindest cuts, i.e., coming from a "friend". Still, Rick, there are others who have been your friends and who are still sticking up for you. I always enjoyed your sense of humor as I lurked through the threads and would hate to see any of the 'catters change their ways because of a disruptive outside influence.

Also, I came out of lurk mode because I wanted to get to know you all and be accepted as part of this community. I'm going to be royally ticked off if it dissolves or changes radically just as I start to get involved.

I think we need to keep our heads and our sense of humor ready at hand. When someone gets hurt by something like this we need to be ready to rally round the injured party.

And Gervase, I'm with SailorDan. When you step outside I'm there by your side too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 12:49 PM

Chanteyranger said:

"I think the recent pattern of responding to trolls and flamers by turning their comments around on them, and making something positive of it, is a great way to handle such things,

If the original complaint is too much shit, if you pile shit on top of shit ALL you will have is shit. Which is exactly what our 'guests' want. That and attention, which is all that such a course of action will give them.

Why not just try and start the positive stuff anyway, in another thread, ignore the 'guests' and let their threads die? They will then go away.

The majority of people already ignore the shit and those that throw it, please don't reward their patience by inflicting yet more shit on them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 02:28 PM

Shambles, maybe I didn't make my position clear. By turning it around on them, I mean taking their negative remark and changing the meaning to a positive one, such as what has been happening with Guest Lyndon LaRouche's threads, or with Catspaw48. I've noticed that the trolls have so far gotten bored and walked away. Yes, letting the threads die is the ultimate solution, though it's hard to resist doing the "turn it around" thing and have a little fun with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jul 00 - 02:40 PM

My preference would be to see the person attacked add ONE simple post: "I choose to ignore this. Please support me in ignoring it" End of thread. The sooner it goes to the bottom and disappears, the better.
The current method of turning a negative to a positive still (and this is my opinion, not gospel) gives the flamer an opportunity to see his "name in lights"; it still gives him credibility and a forum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 09:46 AM

Sins, excellent way to repsond and not. Thank you. Thanks also for this thread because I need to VENT! There is a certain someone who keeps going after me and a few tohers ehre and there in the threads. Well that seems ot have died down a bit, but NOW, she has started a thread about teh prisoner releases in Ireland! AS IF WE NEED TO STIR THAT POT ,AGAIN!! After all of the recent bullshit of Conrad Blaney #1 Asshole and the contentious threads he had going, we do not need another volatile discussion on this issue, IMO, esp, when the initial post in done in an inflammaroty manner, as are most of that person's postings.

So, while it doesn't attack me, personally, I am asking everyone to please do not respond to the PIRA thread, please let it die.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: sophocleese
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 11:20 AM

I thought you might be interested in this quote from Big Mick on the Mudcat Clique thread. "We do not have cliques here. What we have is a variant on the opposite. We have people who seek to stop others from having free discussion with anyone who chooses to take part. We also have people who seek to rename spirited discussion to alienating others."


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 11:24 AM

Hey, maybe there is a clique aftet all. I started a thread to deal with this sort of thing, Sinsull also started one slightly later, but, mine died. Does this mean that I'm not in the clique?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 02:35 PM

Will resect your wishes, Kat, and not respond at all to PIRA thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 03:13 PM

I should add that if anyone is flamed and posts the warning SINSULL suggests, I'll bite my tongue and respect their wishes, and hope others would do the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Jul 00 - 08:15 PM

Kendall,
I'll post to your thread if you'll post to mine. Of course, then we'll be accused of having our own clique. How many people do you think will be slighted if they see themselves as NOT part of a garbage thread clique?
Apologies in advance.
I've had a tough day.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 04:12 PM

to guest tired of mooning.. I'm curious as to why you have a problem with someone elses pain? Moonchild is obviously in a great deal of pain. Those of us who care know why. What's with you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 11:01 AM

Kendall,
I explained my take on this in another thread. This particular Guest is unable to get Moon's attention any other way. He is "sticking her pigtails in the ink well" hoping we will all think that he hates her. And also quietly screaming "Look at me, Moonie! I'm here." Childish and cruel. Also laughably ridiculous to all but the Moonchild who has ink in her hair. Ignore him and he will either grow up or go away. Meantime, let's continue to help Moonie get the ink out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 01:13 PM

Good call there. I wondered about the TOM post too.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 01:23 PM

Tom Post??? Oh, a pun. Dammit Spaw. You had me going through 86 posts trying to find what you were talking about!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 02:16 PM

RANT ON W/OBSCENITY so close yer ear or eyes if ya don't want to read the scorch:

I must be an old Mudcatter by now because more and more I find myself echoing the laments of those who came before me, where are all the music threads? What? Another thread on some innocous, childish bit of bullshit? And, it's not even really just music, because they are there, but anythign of good intent that requires half a brain to think about and comment on!

I mean, what the fuck is going on around here that thinking individuals actual rise to the bait of a wedding thread for celebrities obviously started by a gawddamn son-of-a-twisted-dirt-hog's-busted-snout asshole trying to show its displeasure and jealousy at our paying attention to Jen and Mike and their wonderful news?

Most of what I see are much worse than anything we had a few months ago and IMO, some of what people bitched about back then, i.e. healing threads, would be a welcome relief from the boring shit which makes up a lackluster line up right now.

Balance...it's all out of whack. RANT OFF

BTW, SINSULL: I quite LIKE this thread. I can keep from posting to ilk such as I mentioned and come over here to get it off my chest, so to speak. Excellent idea. THANKS!

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 02:31 PM

Kat,
Kendall has a similar thread and his feelings are hurt because everyone likes mine better. Make sure you add something to his. We don't want him getting his voice back and being too sad to sing.
I have to confess. I didn't know the wedding thread was bogus until it was pointed out to me. And once again Spaw et al succeeded in turning it on its ass.
Smile Kat. There are more good guys here than not.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Mbo
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 02:34 PM

You wanna know what my beef is? Folkies! They are SO bloody obsessed with marketing and money and business that others have that they don't care a lick about the music! You will hear them rant on and one for hours on why they don't like someone because they're actually getting paid for something, or blaring endlessly about the genre label used in CD stores. Get off yer effin' high horses and listen to the music!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 02:36 PM

takes more than that to hurt me deah. I was just keeping in shape to bitch, and didnt have a real good reason! lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 02:47 PM

kat ... i mulled over that jennifer and brad thread for quite a while before I added the first post. then sorcha added hers. I sent her a message telling her I thought it was bogus and felt like a trout for having added the first one. We're getting pretty good at these things, aren't we?

If we're not careful, though, we'll be wearing 32-A's in a matter of months.

Matt ... have I missed something?

moonchild


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Gervase
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 02:57 PM

Kat, my dear,
There are still music threads - silver threads among the crap or whatever - and at least half the BS threads aren't too bad. Just treat the others with the contempt they deserve, and rely on the rest of us to have the gumption to winnow the wheat from the chaff.
I have to confess, however, that I find myself feeling increasingly left out because I HAVEN'T been flamed; I mean, what's wrong with me? Moonchild, you, the list goes ever on; almost everyone else here just has to draw breath and some sad wanker begrudges them the oxygen they're taking in.
Listen, what does a chap have to say here to get some serious insultments? Or is it that to have some sad sod pick on you, you have to be demonstrably female and therefore fair game to the arseholes (who probably wouldn't have the bottle to return a bagel if it was crawling with weevils)? So, maybe it's time I fessed up: I'm a 30-something woman with deeply-felt convictions, commonly-held doubts about my past life and a willingness to empathise with others. I've also got a 38DD chest, my father owns a brewery and I understand the offside trap.
C'mon, anonymous guys - throw some night-soil at me!
Sorry, end of rant (yet again), but it IS beginning to piss me off how so many "Guests" are posting crap aimed at people I actually like for no particular reason other than to make a rather pathetic noise. Is there some form of cyber-Tourette's Syndrome operating here?
"Never before in the...has so much shit been thrown by so many eejits at so few," to paraphrase Winston Spencer McStilton Cheeswright III.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Mbo
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 03:09 PM

Darcy "Stilton" Cheesewright is a P.G. Wodehouse character in the "Jeeves & Wooster" short stories.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 03:26 PM

Well, alright, Gervase, you miserable git, you, you've asked for it now, you cross-dressing, gender-bending, lying, two-faced, son/daughter of Sam's dog! How dare you come on this Forum, filled with truthful and ardent folk, and parade around here as a forty-something journalist, father/husband when we all know the truth is you are a floozy hanging out in the piss-pot firkens of London looking for a little firky-toodling to perk up your little fried eggs! I must say, though, that despite all of your subterfuge, you do seem to be a wicked pisser, by all reports, and I hope that, be you a Marge or be you one who can make the bald man cry, you will continue to muck about the Mudcat, sullying it for all to see!**RBSEG**

katlaughing&flaming!!

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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 06:02 PM

In the new "How did you get your name" thread, Moonchild's rejected admirer made another appearance under the guise of Ed Wood. Not very imaginative, since Spaw had started a whole discussion of Wood's movies elsewhere on the forum. I guess imitation IS the best form of flattery.
Moonie came out fighting and went right for the jugular (or should I say femural?). She's making an amazing recovery: Shock, Disbelief, Denial, Fear, Mourning and Anger all in the space of a week. Next step will be Indifference.
Good for you Moonchild! Remind me never to say anything to get you pissed at me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST,CLETUS
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 06:24 PM

I bin trine ta figger out thizzeer flamin stuff whut yall ar talkin bout an I doan git it. See roun heer, Paw izza best flamer in 3 ur 4 countees an he doan uze the puter senz he burnt up catspaws chair wen he flared one off whilst he wuzza watchin thet dancin Jezus thang. Catspaw liked ta kilt him over thet wun. But Mr. Gervase ur Mrs. Gervase ur whatever, ifn ya wunt I bet Paw wud be happy ta lite up a few in yer direckshun. Why when he lit up a biggun in downtown Columbus, he blu up 3 city blocks but it reely wuz cuz thair wuzza busted gas line, but it shur wuz a doozy ennywayz.

CLETUS


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 06:24 PM

Ah Kat, you obviously know Gervase - just let me remind you that he is malformed as well, he is at least 7'9" tall, and has to bend over just to get through normal doorways..... and I'm having lunch with him tomorrow!! That means that I will return to my desk, probably a few sheets to the wind, smelling of garlic and with a crick in my neck from looking up at him!

Darling G, when you're standing outside that pub, with Sailor Dan and the other one, I'll be the short fat one pushing you in the back and telling you to go for the squishy bits... shortly before I run for cover in the pub next door....

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Gervase
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 07:26 PM

The squishy bits? You mean those lumpy things that trip up buses?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 06:24 AM

I'm not responding here to those idiots with the single purpose names disappearing after one or a few posts and never contributing in a serious discussion but to those that help them unwillingly and have names well know also from serious discussions. The first kind of posters are beyond argumentation but you mudcatters perhaps aren't.
You are helping them to ruin Mudcat by acknowledging their posts. You swallow their baits hook and sinker. Completely pointless threads get dozens of pointless responses. Personal attacks get more responses than questions for the background of a song and you call that mudcatting. It seems to me that some of you in these cases just get verbal diarrhoea both in amount ant content, or, to put it slightly nicer, are unable to hold back the ink. And sometimes you even manage to sink nearly as low as the person that got you mad in the first place.
Don't you see that a further increase of pointless posts will ruin this place? I don't think it is good for Mudcat that, for instance, someone posting as 'Lyndon Larouche' gets more rections in a week than, e.g., Malcolm Douglas.
To end my rant a bit more constructive:
Never ever add pointless posts to a pointless thread.
If there's a personal attack (by a person with an unknown name), just leave it completely to the one attacked to respond or not. Share your sympathy or outrage in personal mails to the one attacked, but do not post here.
The person attacked may ignore the flamer (as Shambles did with 'Barfy'), may tell them to get lost (as Moonchild did with those ever changing names) or may mockingly pretend to take them serious (as Catspaw did with Catspaw48). (Boy, (s)he was really lacking phantasy, '48 I mean, in the choice of that name. A name with much more parodying phantasy would have been 'catspam49', but I digress.)
My personal preference is the first method, but I have a deep sympathy for the other two as well. However, I think the best policy is to leave it completely to the one attacked to respond or not.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 09:05 AM

I still think those responses belong in the garbage threads. That way, they are all in one pile.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:56 PM

No responses = no garbage. No piles.

How are they, by the way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 05:41 PM

RANT ON.

Why the hell not. Yes, Praise gets mad. And I am taking the gloves off. And I will probably be sorry, but this has been eating me for more than a day and dammit, I am here too!!!!!

I am supposed to be too Christian to get mad or hurt, but I'm not perfect, and you know what really hurts here at the Mudacat is when a friend or (someone who has at least been a civil acquaintance) starts up with mocking Christianity. Why? It certainly is not usually directed in those cases at me personally, but it hurts more than any of the flames that were directed at me personally.

It's because when you do that, you act like you forget I am even here, and all the others who find that humor really offensive and are thus reinfdorced in never talking about their own spirits. Do you know what it is like to keep the most imprtant thing about yourslf separate just because someone who decides to go into idiot mode will get their panties in a wad for a few freaking minutes?????

It's likie always trying to be a good nigger, a silent Jew, a submissive woman, so as not to get noticed and targeted for all the insanity and violence our society offers its minorities.

IT'S LIKE SITTING AT YOUR DINNER TABLE AS A BLACK PERSON AND BEING EXPECTED TO IGNORE OR EVEN LAUGH ALONG WITH JOKES ABOUT LYNCHING.

There is a lot of crap that is put out in the world as "Christianity." NO SHIT!!! Duh!!! But look. If it needs mocking, trust me, we Christians are all too good at doing it for ourselves, with each other, and to each other. Come to church and watch us cut each other and the people in other churches to ribbons over coffee, ha ha ha.

I get a lot of PMs from Christians here who tell me, in effect, it just isn't safe to identify themselves here. I think they are wrong, I think that is just not so, and I try to act like it, but that's the feeling. So they are here, and they "pass" just like a light skinned African American might pass. Heads down in the trench. Is that how you want your fellow Mudcatters to feel???

Hello! Would you like it if I came in and posted stuff mocking your faiths or belief systems? I may talk about mine, but I don't do it by accusing any other belief system of the stuff mine is accused of, and I don't appreciate it when others do. And mine is supposed to be the intolerant one, remember?

I am tired of bursting into tears when someone I thought "got it" goes off in a direction that makes me feel like crap before I can even get a grip on my head and calm myself down.

And I am really tired, much more tired, of knowing that what hurts me is hurting a lot of people I am coming to know as dear friends.

And I don't want to see any PMs apologizing either, or cheering me on, or reassuring me that no one is hurt by that kind of thing.

Just knock it the hell off and think before you post.

RANT OFF.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Catrin
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 07:33 PM

Two points I want to make.

The first is, Praise, I for one completely respect your beliefs even though they might not be my own - I would like to think that others would do the same for me. There are many many many more supportive mudcatters than otherwise. Nuff said, I know you asked for "And I don't want to see any PMs apologizing either, or cheering me on, or reassuring me that no one is hurt by that kind of thing." But this is a 'garbage dump' after all. And I needed to say it.

The second point is that Sinsull - I so agree with you. I have seen the trolls and the flamers and avoid completely. Why do people feed their egos by responding?

If a thread is started by someone who is obviously trying to wind people up - IGNORE IT. In case its too subtle for us newbies then put your request in about asking others not to respond. If its a stupid comment in what is otherwise an interesting discussion, then act like it hasn't happened, carry on the conversation - they'll soon get bored.

Saying that, I do understand the need for a thread like this one - Its the only way I, for one, felt that I could say what I felt about the whole 'flaming' issue.

Thanks for listening,

Catrin


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 08:13 PM

Praise,
I'm glad you got that off your chest. No PMs allowed so for what it's worth - I respect your beliefs and your right to believe. I am an atheist. I refuse to join the American Atheists because I disagree with some of their beliefs.
This thread (and Kendall's)was started so that people who for whatever reason could not NOT respond to a flamer could vent here thus allowing the offending thread to drop off the page. It has also called attention to the need to ignore flamers and so not encourage them with attention.
I agree with Wolfgang. This is not appropriate and should not be necessary in a music forum. I wonder what Max thinks...he spends his time and money and talent to produce a dream and somebody stumbles in and shits on it. Sad. Then again 99% of what goes on in here is positive if not productive so he has a lot to be proud of.
Mary, dangling her prepositions again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 08:23 PM

Mary ... watch out for the "dangling" ... we'll be having to send you a codpiece ...

jen


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 08:32 PM

Only if it has something in it. I have enough useless crap around my house.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: GUEST,Newbie and Lost
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 09:35 PM

I was wondering where the "chat" area was. Good. I don't know anything about music either, so I just thought I'd hang out with y'all in here. Is that OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:49 PM

Sinsull, see the Did You Know thread for more on those dangly bits....


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Hardiman the Fiddler
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:53 PM

Welcome, Newbie and Lost, come on in, the ranting is fine, and if any of it makes sense to you, good on ya! aND IF IT DOESN'T, (damn Capslock!), join up so you get a personal page with personal message capability ("PM's") and send anyone here who you like a message. Ask anything, and say whatever you like-- in this thread or anywhere.

You'll fit right in. Welcome the next Newbie, too, when you spot one.

As for Catrin and Sinsull. Crap. You have completely ruined my perfectly good bad mood! I'll get you for it. You'll see. When you least expect it I will repay you, bigtime. **GGGG**

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:56 PM

Duh on me. I forgot to reset the cookie after I wrestled Hardi for the laptop. That last was me.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 12:58 AM

well, I suppose I should have read in this thread before I posted in another one, but I had been avoiding this one, trying to stay OUT of serious controversy...but...

...."Would you like it if I came in and posted stuff mocking your faiths or belief systems? ".....

happens to me all the time. Or rather, they mock my lack of a rigid belief system..(in several areas..not just religion). I get caught in situations where I want to avoid mentioning that I do not attend a regular church, but I get asked directly... (Can you imagine what it is like to run for public office and have to FIND a church to have any hope of being elected?) I get two different denominational groups knocking at my DOOR and telling me that I am going to hell, and that I M*U*S*T adopt creed 'X' if I want to have a happy afterlife. (and by the way, they are OFFENDED if you mistake them for each other!...as I found out the hard way)...

if I was at a party, or festival, and some conversation came round to these subjects, it would be MUCH easier to analyze the situation and decide to wait to make a joke or remark until I knew there was no one to take it badly. In here, it is different...it is much like being a writer, or journalist...your words are out there, and you can't easily explain the 'tone' of your remarks. And, in 'real life', you do not expect to be 'friends' with everyone you meet...some you just try to be polite to and avoid certain subjects.

One of MY pet peeves is shallow and gratuitous use of 'explicit' language in jokes, remarks, etc...(I ain't no prude..just a gourmet)...but what good would it do to say so? I simply shrug when MY sense of humor is offended by lousy, crude jokes..(and no doubt there are those who think MINE are out of bounds)

One of my favorite forms of reading is the Murphy's Law type of book...and one of my VERY favorite laws is this:

"You Have Taken Yourself Too Seriously
"


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 01:31 AM

Bill D,I am right with you there on all points, and Praise, I cleared entries on a post that was so identical to yours that I had to look again..........

Sorcha


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 08:14 AM

I failed in my run for the dtate legislature not because I'm a Christian, but because I'm a Democrat!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 09:23 AM

Kendall,
Next time run for the state legislature. You'll have a better chance. And by the way, go dump in your own garbage thread. Tee Hee.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 09:53 AM

Jeez..run off again!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 10:37 AM

BillD, I agree with you and your read on those situations. With those who shamelessly proselytize their belief systems and who I don't know and respect I can be more direct and give them the brush off. With those I know and respect I need to explain that my beliefs are too personal and held too closely to share with anyone who doesn't also share my life.

On the use of gratuitous foul language, I find it is better if its use is limited. That way when you do find a situation that calls for that language it has a better chance of fulfilling its purpose. Remember that overuse knocks the shine off of anything. If you commonly use those words they will not shock anyone. If you are known as someone who does not normally swear then the vehemence of your anger will shine when you resort to the language of anger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 10:55 AM

Hmmm....well, I finally took a look at this thread...it's different. I'm not sure if it's beneficial or not. After all, there are a lot of interesting things one could talk about besides this stuff. On the other hand, it's helping me get to know some of you.

Praise - your comments interest me. This thing of being "Christian" or not being "Christian" is a pretty subjective business. There are some people who would definitely say I am Christian and there are some who would definitely say I am not. Ironical, isn't it? This has to do more with their chosen belief structures than mine, in all probability, as theirs are usually a whole lot more exclusive. As far as I'm concerned, I am Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist, a follower of the North American Indian Medicine Way, a mystic, a Pagan, a Bahai, a Hindu, a Jane, you name it. All of those and more. Most importantly, I am human, that's the crux of them matter.

I grew up in a totally atheistic and rational family, with a strong sense of morality and social order. My parents believed in the rule of law, normal morality, science, logic, and MATERIAL GOODS!!!! Oh, and MONEY, of course. I followed along on this basically atheistic path until I was about 21.

I had noticed that the people I admired the most (Dylan, Joan Baez, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Lao Tsu, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Crazy Horse...and so on) were all people who clearly had VERY strong spiritual beliefs. This was obvious. And I began to wonder if maybe they were onto something.

Accordingly, I investigated every religious and mystical notion out there in my early 20's. I now cannot look at any situation in life without seeing it in spiritual terms. I cannot look at any religion without seeing at its core the same essential truths, although the cultural details and the "do's and don'ts" will differ from one to another.

So...although I may sometimes look askance at specific churches for their closed-mindedness and their abuses against humanity...I will never look askance at honest faith in God (or whatever you choose to call your concept of Divinity). If I should happen to criticize the church, I will not be criticizing your faith.

As one believer to another...Hi there. Peace be with you.

Regards,

George Coventry


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 11:06 AM

George,
Very nicely put. Thank you.
Praise,
I didn't know that Christians were not supposed to lose their tempers. Didn't Jesus lose it in the temple and physically eject the money changers? I bet he used a few choice words too. Sometimes, enough is enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 11:53 AM

and, I'll bet that Oy vey was not two of them!


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 12:14 PM

Kendall,
Apologies in advance for the "Bran" crack.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 12:59 PM

what "bran" crack?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 01:09 PM

There's a scene in the matrix where the Keanu Reeves character finally GETS IT (whatever "it" is, it's been a while since I saw the movie and I'm old and I forget things). Anyway, the image that I remember is some guy shooting at him and he doesn't even have to duck, because ythe bullets have no power in relation to him. He doesn't even have to duck or anything. The bullets just kind of hang there. It's a cool effect and a cooler metaphor. Let the flamers go. They can't hurt you unless you let' em.

That being said, it's a pretty cool human trait to care enough about something or someone - even yourself - to care about a comment or a slight. It's a difficult world to stay vulnerable in (Am I dangling? Eek!). Sometime it is a lot easier to not care. In "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me", Richard Farina talked about it in subatomic terms - having no valence, no attraction or repulsion. A free range particle. But his character, "Gnossos", doesn't come alive until he gives up the neutral atate, let's his shields down and becomes involved. He gets completely screwed over, of course. . .

Kat, Praise, moonchild, shambles anybody else who has at one time or another been targetted by some knucklehead - remember that someone may just see something in you that they wish was theirs. Maybe it's the fact that you're visible and they're not. That's a chance you take when you stand up. Personally, I always admire "stand up guys" (of all genders.

Hope you all have a wonderful day.
Bart - signing off from amongst the garbage and the flowers


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: bbelle
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 01:38 PM

Bart, et.al. ... thank you for the kind words. Everytime (and I do mean everytime) I post, I wait for "the other shoe to drop." It doesn't appear to matter what I post ... just, that I do post. The attacks have become very personal and straight for the jugular.

I responded to three of the most recent, even though I'm admonished to "ignore." But I was able to do it calmly. If I think I'm going to lose control, I will not respond.

It's a double-edged sword or damned if I do and damned if I don't. If I do respond, I take the chance of being taken to task by those who say "ignore." If I don't respond, he has succeeded in silencing me.

I appreciate the fact that no one is adding to the fire when I am flamed and respond, because that only serves to turn the thread into a eddy of negativity. I also appreciate that I can click on this thread and see that others do care about me.

Even though I appear calm in my responses, when I read a "flame," it becomes difficult to breathe and I feel like I've been slapped across the face. It's important, for me, to know the support is "there."

jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 02:40 PM

I think that having an opportunity and place to rant loses some of its effectiveness when everyone begins to comment on the rant. It wasn't my intention to start a discussion. I was just having a turn in a thread I thought was meant for that.

I think next time I'll just head for the nearest hill and scream for awhile.

I'll read everyone's comments above but I am not going to comment on them here.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 02:48 PM

Damn! I just got dumped on in my own "garbage thread" and for being nice not for flaming. And by the nicest person in Mudcat. This has to be a first! For the record, this is funny.
Mary


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 02:59 PM

Waiddaminnit, I hope you didn't mean me, SS, I wasn't dumping on you!!!

WHY does everything have to get SO screwed up??????

(Focking earth people!)

*G*

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:09 PM

Some people vent by screaming. I tend to vent by waxing philosophical toward the object of my discontent. It's kinda like planting a seed and churning the manure until some flowers grow. My kids absolutely hate it. They'd rather have me yell at them than philosophize at them any day. And they think I don't realize that. . .

Just an thought, but what would be more frustrating for someone who is trying to provoke anger than to be greeted with sympathy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:18 PM

Bart,
I once tried that theory out on my son who was prone to tantrums. With great difficulty, I QUIETLY explained my position and ignored his mouth. Finally, in total frustration at not getting a rise out of me, he angrily shouted "You're not getting angry just to get me angry." I think the answer was yes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:35 PM

The only comment in all the above that puzzles me is Praise's remark that she is getting personal messages from people saying they are afraid to say they are Christians here. Why? Lots of people have made no secret of their beliefs here, and as long as no one goes into active prosyletizing, and is prepared to put up with the usual graffiti discussed above, what is the problem? You have to be a little robust, but I would have thought Christians were pretty used to that by now. I am a Buddhist, which means that we eat stray foreigners and hover a few inches off the ground. Apart from that, our main aim in life is to make Richard Gere king of the world, since he can't act. Harmless, really. Here I stand, as Lord Buddha once remarked, I can do no other.
yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:40 PM

I like the way you think Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 08:04 PM

Peter! Does the HHDalai Lama know you want Gere to be King of the World!? I would have put my vote in for HHDL, before Gere!**BG**

Namasté


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 12:23 PM

RE: Peter's comment, "I would have thought Christians were pretty used to that by now..."

This is a general reply, not meant to be directed at Peter, who just raised the question.
A. Sometimes it is that bad.
B. Christians have feelings too.
C. Not all Christians have been such for long.
D. There is still no substitute for really getting to know another human being, including Christians, especially when you have a lot of stereotypes in the way with the ones you do know.
E. Many who are currently Christian were something else first, and thus have some insights into other traditions.
F. Many who are not Christian never were, and thus have little insight into our traditions.
G. I am having trouble finding very many threads or posts that bash non-Christian belief systems as fast, as perniciously, or as unthinkingly as the ones that mock Christians. H. All of the above.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 12:43 PM

Sinsull,

I'm sorry. Your really wonderful idea has been hijacked into a discussion thread. Can you or kendall start another dump and lay out guidelines that MIGHT prevent that from happening again? I would really have liked to be able to just dump like everyone else. And I would hope to be able to do it again.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Ringer
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 12:47 PM

Returning to the title-subject of this thread, this is addressed to Brendy:

I refer to your posting of 02-Aug-00 - 02:24 PM in the thread BS: Grit your teeth, the PIRA boys are out about which I am amused rather than cross, because it shows the world just what an offensive prick you can be.

My earlier post in that thread suggested (quite politely, I thought) that use of familiar names rather than sign-on names could be construed as adding to Mudcat's cliquishness, as well as sometimes being mystifying for the reader. I only referred to you as I introduced the subject, because your posts still earlier had temporarily mystified me; you are certainly not the only offender (though I suspect "offender" may be too strong a word for a very slight "offence"). And then you imply that my comments are on the same level as a little boy pulling the wings of (sic) flies. You really can't take criticism, can you (I've noticed that before), even though the criticism was mild and not really aimed at you specifically. Do grow up a bit - this is a forum for mature adults, not moody children.

Additionally, I also indicated that I would not like to be referred to as Timothy, and what happens? In your following post you call me Tim! That, I suggest, is more akin to pulling the wings off flies, showing deliberate offensiveness. But it made me ROTFLMAO, because, you see, my name is not Timothy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 01:11 PM

Go Sinsull...they like you better than me anyway LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Peter T.
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 04:09 PM

With great respect, Praise, A-H are not remotely a response. G is about the closest. E can be easily reversed: virtually all the Buddhists I know were brought up as Christians and Jews, so they ought to have some knowledge of Christianity, and do. So what? It makes some of them tolerant, some intolerant. So with Christians and other religions they may have come from (I avoid the topic of missionary work). Why someone would be afraid to post here because of F makes little sense: almost nobody anywhere knows anything about Christianity any more, and very few people have any insight into anything. You seem to be suggesting that the only people Christians can talk to are other Christians or deeply sympathetic outsiders. This is hardly a robust Christianity. That leaves us with G which says that there are more mocking Christian threads here than others. I don't remember many mocking religious threads at all (except the various digs at the Prayer Circle, which seemed to be about as non-sectarian as these things get), but suppose you are right. So? Apart from the fact that there are more Christians here statisically anyway given that we live in the remnants of a Christian society, we are all mocked: God is not mocked. We have had at least one thread recently where people talked quite interestingly about religion, with only minor bruises. It seems like no big deal. A full scale attack on any identifiable religion seems to bring out the "let a thousand pathways bloom" strain around here in response. The question still stands: Why are these mysterious people afraid of identifying themselves as Christians here?

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 05:48 PM

Peter, I leave the computer now for vacation. I will write when I land at a computer again, middle of next week.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 05:50 PM

The interesting exchange between Praise and Peter is best summed up by that old Irish wish:

Go li maorlathai mithrocaireach do chuid fo-eadaigh.

Its amazing to me that there is always an Irish wish/expression for everything!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 06:22 PM

Praise,
Enjoy your vacation. Garbage can include discussion too. And this appears to have gotten right back on track. I wish someone with magic fingers would do a blue clicky to a new thread. This is ready for archiving.
Yeah, Kendall, they like me but they respect you.
Mary who is also not Timothy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 06:40 PM

Here ya go, Mary: new garbage bin thread

Please post to the new one phoaks.

Thanks,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 08:43 PM

What is ROTFLMAO? I can't even work out LMAO, for God's sake. I'd start a thread, but I think this is probably a non-music question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Garbage dump for responding to idiots
From: kendall
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 09:00 PM

Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off


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