BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 06:32 PM

ky?

Kentucky?

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 09:13 PM

maybe the jelly ???

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 09:44 PM

And we're supposed to "destory" something--sounds like it might be different from "telling de story".

Ain't it wonderful to have such articulate Mudcatters?

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 08:15 AM

"A rebel fighting in the last stronghold of Muammar Gaddafi's Libya has taken to playing the guitar as fellow soldiers fire their guns around him.

A photograph taken on Monday in the town of Sirte shows a soldier casually playing a classical acoustic guitar against a bullet-marked wall as comrades fire assault rifles just metres away.

Nothing is yet known about the musician who is seen finger-picking the instrument while he watches another infantryman fire a heavy machine gun, with the bullet casings littering the footpath beneath their feet."

Killing them softly with his song?

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 12:52 PM

The Rebels appear to be in the final phases of moping up the Gadhafi loyalists in Serte. It's been a tough three week campaign, and extremely hard on the civilians caught between crossfire.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 05:13 PM

NTC officials say they have captured Muammar Gaddafi's son Mutassim, Reuters reports.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Oct 11 - 10:25 PM

CNN also mentioned that but such "reports" have not been substantiated before. If they have captured Mutassim, it's a major catch.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 08:31 AM

The story behind the fighter playing guitar in the midst of battle I posted about earlier: http://www.channel4.com/news/the-story-behind-the-libyan-guitar-hero-photo

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 09:58 AM

Bobad-

Neat story. Of course if the musician had wielded a banjo or acordian the battle for Sirte would have been over weeks ago.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 10:59 AM

Ha, ha, good one Charley.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 07:45 AM

Libyan TV reports 'capture' of Gaddafi


Libyan TV is reporting that Muammar Gaddafi has been captured by NTC fighters in Sirte.

Jamal abu-Shaalah, a field commander of NTC, told Al Jazeera that the toppled leader had been seized, but it was not clear whether he was dead or alive.

Gaddafi is captured and is wounded in both legs, Abdel Majid, another NTC official, told the Reuters news agency.

"He's captured. He's wounded in both legs ... He's been taken away by ambulance," the senior NTC military official said.

An NTC official also said that Abu Bakr Younus Jabr, the head of Gaddafi's armed forces, was killed during the capture of Gaddafi.

The news came shortly after NTC claimed capturing Sirte, Gaddafi's hometown, after weeks of fighting.

NATO said it cannot confirm the reports..

Gaddafi had not been seen since NTC fighters seized Tripoli, the Libyan capital,

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: bobad
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 08:15 AM

It is now being reported that Gaddafi is dead. Libyans are celebrating the news with joyous exuberance.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 08:17 AM

He was true to his word, he said "I would die before I will leave Libya".

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:13 AM

His death has not been confirmed, in the words of the British newspaper, The Independent "details are hazy" except it seems in the Daily Torygraph and Reuters, who, of course got their information from the NTC, who being the "victors" would of course say things like this, they have this need to please the world, and, of course obtain funds.

It seems that other "reliable source" CNN (tongue planted firmly in cheek) has video footage of what is purportedly Gaddafi's body

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:29 AM

the New York Times has now jumped on the "Gaddafi is dead" bandwagon, reports are still unconfirmed at the BBC, CBC, The Independent, The Guardian, all saying that "details are still hazy"

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 11:59 AM

Here's the link to Al Jazeera's report: click here for report!

Looks as if Gadhafi's death is for real.

May the rest of Libya find peace.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:32 PM

We can but wait a see what wil happen in the short term and the long term. Is this truly a new era, or has one set of evils been replaced with another ? It's not like that hasn't happened before.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:04 PM

BTNG-

Well, the plan in Libya as implemented shows more promise than the result in Iraq. However, I'll admit, that standard for success is set very low.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:09 PM

It's that standard being so low that has me worried, still I am willing to wait and see.

BTNG

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 04:12 PM

Here's more detail, for those who like more detail, of the attempted escape by Gadhafi and his body guards in a convey from Serte and the final fire fight when they were cornered in a culvert (from Al Jazeera): click here for report!

It will take a few days for details to be confirmed or not but it's at least more of a story than a snapshot.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 08:09 AM

Tyrants in other countries such as in Syria, Yemen and even Karjackastan should be stressed by the capture and summary execution of Kadhafi.

This thread may be an interesting one to review. Has anyone changed their position from their first few posts?

And who was right?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 10:33 AM

It's that standard being so low that has me worried, still I am willing to wait and see.

I stand by this....though any country that is ruled by a council...wellllllll......

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 11:24 AM

I see the Daily Torygraphy are in their and now it can be revealed mode

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Oct 11 - 09:41 AM

BTNG-

Your link doesn't work for me.

All those who invested in Libyan oil futures in March can now cash in.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Nov 11 - 05:40 PM

Latest update from Al Jazeera is that the Libyan forces have captured two more important figures from the old regime:

"Libya's former intelligence chief Abdullah al-Senussi has been arrested, an official in the National Transitional Council (NTC) has said.

"Abdullah al-Senussi was arrested in Al-Guira region in the south of the country," the NTC official, who declined to be identified, told the AFP news agency on Sunday, without providing details on when he was captured.

News of Senussi's capture came a day after Libya's new rulers also announced the arrest of the late Muammar Gaddafi's son and one-time heir apparent Saif al-Islam, who had also been on the run for months.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants on June 27 for Saif al-Islam, Gaddafi and Senussi on charges of crimes against humanity committed while crushing anti-regime protests earlier this year."

That should tidy up some loose ends.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Nov 11 - 11:00 AM

Negotiations are now taking place in Tripoli between a representative of the International Criminal Court and Libya's new rulers about how Saif al-Islam and Abdullah al-Senussi might be tried fairly in Libya. Here's the story, if there is anyone left following current events in Libya: Click here for report!

Evidently both captives are still alive at this point.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 07:14 PM

1 year later .... interesting

Looking back Gaddafi seems rather mild compared to Assad.

But then ... there is the oil, and that is what it was really (sadly) about.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 01:39 AM

"1 year later .... interesting

Looking back Gaddafi seems rather mild compared to Assad.

But then ... there is the oil, and that is what it was really (sadly) about."

Ehmm No, not about oil at all.

Prime movers in both cases has been the Arab League

In Libya the United Nations Security Council passed a Resolution that allowed the international Community to act. In the case of Syria two countries used their veto which has prevented anything from being done.

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 08:53 AM

Bill-

It's true that post-revolutionary Libya is still evolving, and some of the evolutions are disturbing. No one expected democracy to spring forth full grown after a full blown civil war. But I doubt if the vast majority of Libyans miss Gadhafi. To characterize the Gadhafi Regime as "mild" ignores the mass graves of thousands who were slaughtered under its auspices; new mass graves are still being discovered and examined.

Syria is another case with many different aspects apart from oil reserves, and no one I know is optimistic of a peaceful resolution soon, unless "peaceful" is equated with slaughter.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: GUEST,giovanni
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 01:54 AM

"In Libya the United Nations Security Council passed a Resolution that allowed the international Community to act. In the case of Syria two countries used their veto which has prevented anything from being done".

The difference is that Russia and China trusted the rest of the UN to act decently over Libya. As they patently didn't, this time they have exercised their veto.
Quite right. The iniquity of the action against Libya will haunt those responsible.

g

Subject: RE: BS: Bombing of Tripoli March-April, 2011
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 02:12 AM

"The difference is that Russia and China trusted the rest of the UN to act decently over Libya. As they patently didn't, this time they have exercised their veto.
Quite right. The iniquity of the action against Libya will haunt those responsible."

In Libya Gadaffi was prevented from murdering tens of thousands of his own citizens. In that respect the UN Resolution geared to that end was not exceeded.

I can understand how nervous and uneasy such actions might affect the ruling regimes of the countries who are currently exercising their veto with regard to Syria, they after all head the list of perpetrating the greatest democides in the history of mankind (China over 71 million and Russia at just over 51 million). As you state they see nothing wrong at all in the "State" deliberately murdering it's own citizens, after all act to prevent it in Syria, and their own populations might get funny ideas, all comes down to self-preservation in the end.