Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 23 - 08:31 AM It's probably why I am good at cosmology. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 23 - 08:26 AM Hypothetical thinking has its benefits. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 23 - 08:23 AM Growing up in my family anything could be discussed. Nothing was off limits. The benefits of slavery could be rationally discussed. Controversy was not out of bounds. Nothing was off limits academically except discussions outside the family. Perhaps this is why I am more open minded than some folks. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Aug 23 - 08:08 AM "My familial lexicon is on the polemic side and is best heard as a near whisper, no shouting." Come again? |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Donuel Date: 05 Aug 23 - 07:37 AM My familial lexicon is on the polemic side and is best heard as a near whisper, no shouting. I actually said shared hate unites people, Trump supporters are told they are victims, Trump says he is a victim and the country is a victim of the woke weirdos. The Trump phrase for the masses is "Don't look backward! LOOK FORWARD." SRS says Citizen United is important. It allows corporate fortunes to establish a permanent hegemony, the wealthy to buy the Supream Court and drown the voice of unions and real grassroots movements. I am proud of her insight and her willingness to not oversimplify. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x3 (NO new Trmp threads) From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Aug 23 - 02:34 AM Plenty of hope being expressed here and I desperately want y'all to be right. In the meantime, please don't underestimate our "preferred UK newspapers." |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Bill D Date: 03 Aug 23 - 07:22 PM What SRS said ^. Trump's hard-core minions will stay with him, but many of them don't actually believe his assertions, they just 'accept' them... Remember "The Emperor's New Clothes"? He lost by 3 million, then by 7 million... and his choices for Congress and governors in 2022 mostly lost. At the same time, there are many more young folks and black and Latino voters registered- despite the Repubs efforts to stop them. Yeah, he'll still win a few red states, but IF he actually gets on the ballot, I'll bet Biden secretly is glad. (also, remember,"it's the economy, stupid!") |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 03 Aug 23 - 06:37 PM Former US president Donald Trump pleads not guilty to 2020 election interference Statement near the end of the article: "About half of Republicans said they would not vote for Mr Trump if he were convicted of a felony, according to a new Reuters poll. "But the same poll, taken after his indictment this week, also showed his remarkable resiliency in the Republican primary race. "He is supported by 47 per cents of Republicans. "Florida's Ron DeSantis stands at 13 per cent." Note also the giant inflatable Trump rat in the pic near the end of the article. :-D |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 03 Aug 23 - 03:54 PM > I believe most people do not want to live that way. Herself has just reported from the telly coverage: A reporter says that many Republican supporters are saying in private that Trump should go. But few if any of them will say it in public, presumably for fear of the others. This is beginning to sound suspiciously like the comment alleged to have been made by a Russian to an American before the USSR imploded: "Under Communism, we have freedom of speech. In the West, you have freedom *after* speech." |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 03 Aug 23 - 03:50 PM And well said, MaJoC the Filk! (I was typing my post without seeing yours until I posted mine.) |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 03 Aug 23 - 03:46 PM Well said, SRS! Another indication that his popularity may be waning is the significantly lower numbers of people attending his rallies or protesting on the streets on his behalf. And there are two other factors which could have influenced his rise to power: his shallow claims to a belief in Christian principles, and his "stardom" on the small screen. In my opinion, he does not display Christian principles or values in his words or actions, no matter how much he proclaims that he is a Christian. And actions and words which might be funny or entertaining in a "reality" TV show does not translate into being a good person to run the country IRL. Also the other Republican hopefuls are treading a very fine line, trying to push themselves as the best candidate without upsetting Trump's (dwindling) supporter base, both the people generally and his financial supporters. And I'd be interested in solid evidence on the percentage of the U.S. citizens who are "nutjobs" because I suspect that the majority are not. Donuel makes a good point. Hate divides people, especially when the people who are targeted are put into different categories e.g. by race, nationality, gender, sexual preferences, etc. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 03 Aug 23 - 03:24 PM I'm slow. I've just come to the conclusion that Trump in the White House is more a symptom than a cause, just as Agent Orange being deployed over Vietnam was (when I used that term for the little offender in question, my subconscious was firing on all six). Consider, gentlecatters: Congress (from what I can see from this side of the puddle) is terminally polarised, and finely balanced between two irreconcilable parties. The main beneficiary of this is Big Business: corporations lobby hard; each one supports *both* sides with campaign contributions, precisely so that whoever gets in is beholden to them. Meanwhile, while both parties are at each others' throats, they're too preoccupied to regulate Big Business properly (example: the FCC is basically being run now by the cable companies it's supposed to regulate). And along comes someone who considers himself an apex predator, but who is actually an apex bullshitter. (This perfectly fits into my thermodynamic argument that wherever there's a potential difference, something will evolve to exploit it.) Hilarity, as they say, ensues. Let there be flames. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 03 Aug 23 - 02:28 PM Trump will put on a political defense but a legal defense will be a difficult uphill problem. Most dictators use hate politics. Hate-hungry politics have persecuted Jews/religions, Blacks, Women, Tribes, The Handicapped, and now Gays. Shared hatreds unite some people. Hateful people might eventually hate each other even if they share the need and want to always be the majority race with superior rights and power. I see a splintering of MAGA attempts to outdo cruelty, outdo gun insanity, outdo voter suppression, outdo hate and stupidity in new ways. I believe most people do not want to live that way. Love may not trump hate and victim politics, but we are seeing the limits of what the 1% super wealthy and Wall Street can get away with. There is a blowback of killing the golden goose leaving the wealthy and poor without an economy to exploit. It looks like Berlin in 1946. The master race is now the fat naked golfer behind the curtain. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Aug 23 - 02:11 PM I really do hope you are right, Stilly. It just looks bad from the sidelines. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Aug 23 - 01:39 PM Please dog, let SRS be right… ;-) |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Aug 23 - 12:32 PM The Trump folks aren't the majority anywhere, and frankly, I don't think they are the majority of the GOP. They are two things: they are stupidly loud, and they are what the US media focused on when they were looking for stories to increase ratings. Few thought Trump would end up in office the first time. Many thought he'd be shocked at the win and bored at the prospect of politics and would quit. He quickly learned how to turn every customary political practice on its head (it is expected the president will put investments in a blind trust, release tax returns, and stopping running businesses while in office.) He figured out how to skim off the top of any money raised on his behalf (for the The January 6 Committee hearings presented evidence provided by GOP witnesses. His own people. And some who testified where much chastened and now convicted participants in the coup attempt. Many of those folks, hundreds, have been charged, convicted, and imprisoned. The word is out and the leaders of the worst of the groups are in prison. Steve Bannon is appealing his conviction. The crooked friends who were advisors are sidelined or laying low. States are charging Trump and his supporters in the fraudulent elector scheme, crimes big enough to put him in prison and he can't pardon those. Opinion polls don't matter. I don't care that Trump appears to be the GOP frontrunner, or how he stands next to Biden in poll projections. The machinery of the next election isn't running at top speed yet and the grass roots activity is in the background, not something you see from across the pond. So what you think you're seeing from there doesn't matter. The noise doesn't matter. Trump trashed the Supreme Court and as a result women's rights were taken away. That is the single most important part of the next campaign, to restore women's rights and to reform the Supreme Court. That's not going to happen on the front page of your prefered UK newspapers. The next big thing the House and Senate need to do is remove Citizens United that lets all of the dark money and corporations influence politics. That needs a more solid majority so that the likes of Joe Manchion and Kristen Sinema can't scuttle much of the work Biden needs to do. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 03 Aug 23 - 08:27 AM I expect the nonsense of "elections are not won by majorities" and Trump will win like Reagan over Carter. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the time. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Aug 23 - 06:37 AM I do have to agree with Dave and Steve. Trump is, a past-master at pushing Populist propaganda, and there are plenty of gullible Yanks who seem to be addicted to his Kool-aid. Unless the Dems can come up with a stronger, more dynamic candidate than Biden, who seems increasingly ‘past it’, I have a very strong suspicion that Trump is capable of winning next year. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear I’m right. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Aug 23 - 05:36 AM Unless you physically bang him up in jail for a long time*, he can stand and he will probably win. I mean, just look who he's up against. Biden is slow, hesitant, creaky and prone to falling over. You can bet your life that Trump will use all that against Biden incredibly effectively. It'll be looking like Reagan vs Carter all over again. Yeah, there I go again... *I think I read somewhere that even that might not stop him. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Aug 23 - 02:12 AM The thing is, Helen, the nutjobs who love Trump don't see that as an attack on democracy. They believe it was an act of revolution against an oppressive regime. And Trump keeps fueling that fire. Stilly. Elections are not won by majorities. It is the fringe that sway them and the louder or more lunatic the fringe, the more sway they hold. We know - look at Brexit and Boris! Neither were voted for by the majority but we still got stuck with them due to clever populism and pithy slogans :-( |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 02 Aug 23 - 07:27 PM One of the changes that I think will affect voters is the shock and outrage about the attack on the Capitol and on the heart of the U.S. democratic process. Trump may win the Republican selection - I'm not placing bets on that, either way - but he still has to convince the majority of voters in the country to vote for him. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Aug 23 - 06:51 PM You're just a little ray of sunshine everywhere you go, Steve. And it is more annoying here than just about anywhere. He lost the first time (popular vote), he lost the second time (popular vote and electoral college) and he isn't going to win in a third try. You can put money on it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Aug 23 - 05:53 PM He's going to stand and he's going to be your next president. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Aug 23 - 05:12 PM Sorry, but from over here it looks like he is still the front runner :-( |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 02 Aug 23 - 03:45 PM I can't believe I lost to that guy. quote: Donald Trump. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 02 Aug 23 - 03:24 PM My wife thinks he will die of natural causes before the case is resolved. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Date: 02 Aug 23 - 11:14 AM We'll see, BW. I suppose it all hinges on whether Americans want to retain their democracy or give it up for a malignant autocracy (without even being aware of it in many cases). |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Aug 23 - 10:45 AM Until one of the trials starts, now Trump is just old news. But he'll keep trying to gin up the victimization role to raise money. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Aug 23 - 10:28 AM Hell is more likely to happen than jail. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Date: 02 Aug 23 - 09:58 AM The judge he's drawn in this latest indictment doesn't look to be nearly as sympathetic as Aileen Cannon in Florida- Tanya Chutkan But I won't rest easy until the slippery bastard is in jail or in Hell. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Aug 23 - 09:37 AM It’s almost as though his tame, pet judges want him back in the Oval Office again… |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 02 Aug 23 - 09:17 AM Even if found guilty, the appeals process would add 2 more years to this whole fiasco. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 02 Aug 23 - 09:01 AM You may think this case is more important than the OJ case but it is unlikely that it will be televised. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 02 Aug 23 - 08:41 AM I'm so indicted He's gonna bite it I'm less popular than him and I'm unindicted So it's decided I was...misguided? They know, they know, they know, they know, they know, they got you, they got you Don't be short-sighted Then help me fight it Well, if we have a good excuse, hey, I think they'll buy it Hey, let's all try it... |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Aug 23 - 10:30 PM Nicely done! Randy Rainbow has a number of pointed parodies that deal with all of this. A couple of examples: Donald in the John With Boxes Sedition. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 23 - 09:04 PM Emma's Revolution came out with a new song in June, "Re-Indicted." It's a classic. Time to listen to it again: https://emmasrevolution.com/ |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Aug 23 - 07:39 PM The next one has landed and is being discussed widely as the various talking heads work their way through the 45-page indictment. There are co-conspirators (unnamed at this point, but they've figured out who everyone is.) |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Aug 23 - 03:26 PM Things are bubbling. One of the hosts on MSNBC checked her phone on camera when it pinged, alerting her to a post (about the grand jury members leaving the building) - realtime stuff on the air without someone speaking into a earbud in her ear. The speculation now is whether the Justice Department will break the news with a press release or if Trump will beat them to it by announcing his own bad news (that he always spins and uses for fundraising.) For his PAC, this is probably good timing. They need another cause to use for raising money because apparently they're "nearly broke." |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Aug 23 - 09:57 AM The barriers are up around the courthouse in Georgia, and the MSNBC and other news networks are letting their big name folks have a few days off now because as soon as the penny drops for Trump, whether in Georgia or Washington, D.C., they'll be on for many hours a day on each other's programs discussing the fine points. I listen for enough time to get the gist of what is happening then wait till there's a comprehensive story in the NY Times or the WaPo or even in the Wall Street Journal (different perspectives, certainly). I'll save my longer viewing for when the trials actually happen. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 31 Jul 23 - 07:30 PM Many of the people who fawned over Donald Trump or boasted 'you the man' are now about to say exactly what they think in court. This betrayal and disloyalty is pure kryptonite to Donald's soul. When his text is ALL CAPS it is the dying parts of him crying out. The more he is depicted as a fraud on steroids the more he is calling his opponents frauds. btw FL has no appointed public health official. It is no coincidence that Florida is the leprosy capital of the US with 20% of all US cases. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Jul 23 - 11:25 AM Giuliani lied. Everyone knew it. Giuliani won’t contest Georgia election workers’ claims that he falsely accused them of manipulating ballots In a heavily couched statement, he also conceded that his statements meet the “factual elements of liability” for Moss and Freeman’s claims that his attacks amounted to “intentional infliction of emotional distress.” But Giuliani is not abandoning his effort to fight the lawsuit altogether. An aide, Ted Goodman, said his concessions and acknowledgments were an effort to bypass the fact-gathering stage and move on to legal arguments about whether he can be held liable for the damages Moss and Freeman are seeking. He made their lives hell. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 26 Jul 23 - 11:08 AM Trump is a TV show host at heart. He should be featured on the many hoarding shows like https://www.movierewind.com/articles/everything-hoarders |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 25 Jul 23 - 11:14 PM Trump's troubles, and those of his allies, appear to be expanding geometrically, in a number of directions. A non-profit raised millions for Trump's border wall. Here's why a third man behind We Build the Wall has been sentenced "A Colorado businessman has received the longest prison sentenced yet imposed over a fraudulent scheme to raise money for Donald Trump's border wall. "Timothy Shea was sentenced to five years and three months in prison for his role in the We Build the Wall scheme, which prosecutors said raised more than $US25 million ($37 million). "Shea, 52, was also was ordered to forfeit $US1.8 million and to pay the same in restitution." |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jul 23 - 10:35 PM Oh, look, some of the loot has to be returned: Trump to Return Ancient Coins and Lamps to Israel’s Antiquities Agency The items have been at former President Donald J. Trump’s home in Florida since 2021, when they were presented to him during a Hanukkah celebration
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jul 23 - 10:10 PM Increasing the size of the US court would be legal, but even that is something to do very carefully. Best to impeach Thomas and Alito. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 25 Jul 23 - 08:26 PM I wonder about what our Supreme Court judges are thinking about tonight after seeing what has happened in Isreal. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 25 Jul 23 - 06:38 PM In a dictatorship acts of arrest, torture, and execution are endemic. If you don't think the new Republicans are not willing and capable of such savagery you are kidding yourself. If you think they are mean now, make Trump their fearless leader to end rational thought and democracy. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Jul 23 - 04:54 PM By moving the Documents trial to May, that opens up the calendar for a December trail for one of these cases that has a lot less delicate content (dealing with classified documents means Trump's attorneys need clearance and one of them is slow-walking that already.) This could be the Atlanta trial or a Washington, D.C. trial. All is not lost. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 25 Jul 23 - 01:09 PM The Battle of New Coups ---------------------------------------- CHORUS ------ Trump ran thru impeachments Trump ran thru indictments Trump ran thru the White House Where the oil money flows Trump ran so bad McConnell couldn't catch 'em He took our elections on the phone and in blood VERSES ------ Early in the winter Year of '16 Some mobsters in DC, put it on the line In a fight for the White House he took our innocence Shouting out the slogans make me great again CHORUS With Americans like Q Anon he bargained for himself A narcicist dictator, who often broke the law They said he owed them money He was a cheater and a beast And in the name of freedom he ate Mc Donald's feasts CHORUS As we move into 2024 There's still no end in sight Nazis beat themselves with chains While spoiling for a fight Donald Trump wants it his way Biden disagrees People everywhere Are talking filthy Sleaze CHORUS |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 24 Jul 23 - 06:35 AM No more December trial date. Judge Cannon moved it to the end of May next Spring. Trump warns that his passionate supporters pose a clear and present danger and claims NOTHING WILL STOP WHAT IS COMING, NOTHING. Which is also a QAnon chant. I was wrong about the last capital insurrection but without Presidential powers another violent insurrection is less likely imo. |