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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:29 PM I believe Rupert Murdoch aided and abetted the killer but he would never be charged. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:19 PM AI bots will make people more reliably vulnerable. In a house that last year's flood smells just like a mangy animal A man with a gun watching Fox waits for a trespass like a cannibal The fearful gun lust burns with the video loops of crime on his TVs When an unknown car turns into his driveway his handy gun pleases BANG BANG he fires two blind shots into the car as it squeals away What he can not see is the girl in the back seat turn an ashen grey As he finally turns around He says "I stood my ground" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Apr 23 - 01:09 AM Twitter as a formerly fairly reliable media source has to be kicking itself up one side and down the other for insisting that Elon Musk go ahead and buy them. Someone made money out of that, but everyone else lost. Impersonators Run Wild on Twitter Thanks to Sabotaged Verification System Now that the legacy blue checks are gone, users are free to pose as celebrities and government agencies This is another iteration of the Pandora's Box that the Trump presidency opened up. Bad behavior and no consequences for the rich guy who is running Twitter into the ground as fast as he can and leaving a lot of people vulnerable in the process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:46 PM I liked Mitt's dad better than Mitt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Apr 23 - 10:23 PM At this point, Mitt Romney sounds like a totally rational choice - he was a Democrat when as governor of Massachusetts they became the first state to provide health care for all citizens. He changed parties, eventually ran for GOP senator from Utah, and voted to impeach Trump, so his good name is dust. Obama beat him handily, but that was the last time we had loyal opposition in a presidential race. Now it's the lunatic fringe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Apr 23 - 11:46 AM According to what we are reading this end, DeSantis is doomed. His ratings are biting the dust. That leaves Trump as the only realistic nominee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 21 Apr 23 - 06:45 AM When Fox wants to be disreputable in the future they may have to pay another tax-deductible fine. Big Deal, they may want to settle earlier next time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Apr 23 - 05:24 PM And Trump's supporters in the House of Representatives are trying to sideline the Manhattan prosecutor: PBS story with a 7 minute video of the report. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Apr 23 - 05:21 PM In the rape trial coming up, The Daily Beast reports that the judge told Donald he doesn't have to be there, but he won't make a lame excuse for his absence. Trump’s lawyers wanted the jurors, who will decide if Trump really did rape the journalist E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s, to hear that Trump would love to be there but cannot right now because it’s just too burdensome on New York City. They asked U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan to issue a formal excuse, but the judge instead signed an order that says the opposite: Trump is very much welcome to show up and can’t complain about alleged insufficient security because it’s actually a highly guarded federal courthouse. After glancing at Trump’s campaign website and noticing that he has a campaign event in New Hampshire scheduled on what will be Day 3 of the rape trial, Kaplan wrote: “If the Secret Service can protect him at that event, certainly the Secret Service, the Marshals Service, and the City of New York can see to his security in this very secure federal courthouse.” |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 18 Apr 23 - 04:47 PM Fox News and Dominion Voting Systems resolve defamation lawsuit "Voting machine company Dominion Voting Systems and Fox News have reached a settlement in a high-profile defamation case in the United States. "A lawyer for Dominion said the case was settled for $US787.5 million ($AU1.17 billion)." .......... "The deal spares Fox the peril of having some of its best-known figures called to the witness stand and subjected to potentially withering questioning. "This would have ranged from executives including Rupert Murdoch, the 92-year-old media mogul who serves as Fox Corp chairman, and Fox CEO Suzanne Scott as well as on-air hosts including Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Jeanine Pirro." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 18 Apr 23 - 04:13 PM Latest news: The Dominion v. Fox trial has been halted. A settlement has been reached, with further details to follow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 18 Apr 23 - 02:59 PM Georgia's fake electors are turning on each other in hopes of immunity. I don't think the DA knows the meaning of imminent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 18 Apr 23 - 07:53 AM Donald and Adolf share more than a few things like the initial humorous reactions, fake news, make germany great again, and enemy of the state quotes. Adolf had a treason trial and a limited sentence that actually helped him. Time is on our side with Trump's extreme age even if briefly jailed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 17 Apr 23 - 06:43 PM The Fox trial was delayed because Fox is trying to settle without a trial. If it goes to trial it would disincentivize Fox and other news orgs from lying. Lets hope for a trial. I wouldn't blame Dominion for settling for 15 billion. A bankrupt Fox would be nice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 17 Apr 23 - 04:53 PM Oh yes! The dark hair dye. I forgot that. That media event certainly added to the impression of trustworthiness for them both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Charmion Date: 17 Apr 23 - 04:16 PM Dominion v Fox has been postponed for 24 hours. Is that the aroma of *settlement* I sniff on the wind? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: gillymor Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:56 PM Don't forget the adult bookstore in the background and the dark hair dye streaming down the face of "America's Mayor", Helen. Those must seem like the Halcyon Days to trump at this point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:46 PM Mentioning those wacky attorneys always brings to my mind the images of both of them sweating and talking rubbish at the Four Seasons (landscaping) outdoor media conference. I was especially gobsmacked at the weird stuff Sidney Powell was saying. And I still LOL about the event being booked at a landscaping yard instead of the Four Seasons swanky hotel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Apr 23 - 12:52 PM Thanks for spinning this off to a new thread, Dave. I agree, it's an important topic all on its own. Political education and voting. Meanwhile, the Dominion voting machine trial, a spinoff of the Trump Big Lie and his wacky attorneys (Powell and Giuliani), starts tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:53 AM Straw man, Rain Dog. Nowhere have I said the uneducated should not vote. I did say that political education should be compulsory. However, this is a diversion from Trump so I am starting another thread on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Rain Dog Date: 17 Apr 23 - 03:03 AM How much of their RE education do you think the vast majority remember? Don't let the uneducated vote. Where have we heard that before? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:59 AM Oh, and a little more flippantly, no one objects to you having to pass a test to drive a car. Maybe voting tests should be compulsory before you get a licence to drive the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:57 AM Education, Rain Dog. Remember that RE used to be compulsory at schools. How about making a basic understanding of politics the same. With exams before you leave school and attain voting age. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Rain Dog Date: 17 Apr 23 - 02:46 AM "Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against?" I hope that you are not serious about that. Who would do the checking? How would you check it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:22 PM I mentioned that better minds have debated whether the unwashed public should be allowed to choose representation. Despite Trump's support by the unwashed deplorable public, I support voting for all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:59 PM Well that's it, innit, Dave. It's all very well forcing people to vote, ostensibly in the interests of democracy, but I'd far sooner employ strong persuasion coupled with bloody good political education. Actually, the practicalities are that the minority of democracies that have compulsory voting rarely sanction those who refuse to vote. The Aussies accept almost any excuse from non-voters. And anyway, it isn't really about compulsory voting at all. It's about forcing people to turn out. Once they're in that ballot box they can do what they like. The Aussies often crow about their compulsory voting. I'd love to hear from whatever fair-minded Aussies we have here whether their voting system has produced good governance... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:03 PM Rather than compulsory voting how about compulsory checks that the voters actually understand what they are voting for or against? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:26 PM Great that you educated yourself as to the meaning of that word, Helen. Well done. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:09 PM MaJoC, that's called the donkey vote here. One of the (many) actions of Trump and his minions which made me angry was his attempts to prevent pre-polling day voting. What I saw on ABC (U.S.) News was that the people who most needed to pre-poll vote were the ones who would be working at their jobs on polling day, and could not be away from their jobs to stand in line for hours waiting to place their vote. That would mainly affect people who could not afford to lose a day's pay, or even a few hour's pay and then would have to make the almost impossible choice of whether to vote or whether to put food on their table or a roof over their heads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 16 Apr 23 - 06:04 PM deplore transitive verb To feel or express strong disapproval of; condemn.To express sorrow or grief over.To regret; bemoan. deplorable adjective Worthy of severe condemnation or reproach.Lamentable; woeful.Wretched; bad. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 23 - 05:53 PM Sorry, Helen, but you need to consult your dictionary about the meaning of "deplorable." It absolutely does not mean what you think it means. Once again please. I have not "railed against" anything. I've given you my point of view and I've put some arguments in favour of it. I've done a fair bit of reading on both sides of this debate. Most of the arguments I've read that are in favour of compulsory voting dwell on the potential equalisation of the rich (very much inclined to vote, and to vote right wing) and the more deprived (far less inclined to vote, and, if they do vote, inclined to vote more leftist). That's the theory, but there is very little research to back up that theory, apparently. On top of that, there's a distinct element in that of principle being ditched. I'd far sooner see much better political education, which, at its best, would encourage people to make informed decisions and, just as importantly, encourage them to vote. By the way, compulsory voting is a bit of a canard. What we really mean is compulsory turnout. You can't force people to actually vote unless you are in a regime which monitors every person's vote and none of us here live in such a regime. There are respectable arguments on both sides of this conversation. I nearly always vote, but I won't vote if, in spite of my researches, I can't glean enough about the candidates on offer. To do so would be undemocratic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 23 - 05:46 PM My posts are abnormally short but are not gospel. When Steve's posts are not outright name-calling, in general, they are current or past paradigm friendly. I am in general for paradigm shifts. At least we offer voter registration along with motor vehicle licensing. Regarding more upcoming Trump indictments, the family should slip him some Xanex in his milkshake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 16 Apr 23 - 04:46 PM > People who don't want to vote may spoil their ballots .... or (as rumour had it when I was young and gullible) they may tick the first box in the first column, the second in the second, and so on diagonally down the ballot paper till they ran out of columns to tick, just to be seen to Do Their Duty and be out of the polling booth. This was alleged to yield candidates being chosen for having names as early as possible in the alphabet. Or is someone about to say "Bazinga"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 16 Apr 23 - 04:34 PM Donuel said, "Compulsory voting is a great idea for DEMOCRACY but anathema for a deplorable minority". Meaning that some people in the minority of the population deplore compulsory voting. Steve, you have said that you vote or don't vote according to your evaluation of the candidates in each election. That's your choice. But some people deplore compulsory voting because they don't want the people who disagree with their views to vote at all. That is when the politicians and influencers, and especially Donald Trump, try to create inflated and untruthful statements about how unreliable the voting system is, or they try to discredit their opponents using dirty political tactics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 23 - 01:20 PM In a way, the issues of voting Steve rails against were a part of the Adams-Jefferson debates as well as in the Federalist Papers. A well-informed electorate is still getting straightened out regarding truthful national news. I speak of Dominion bringing a defamation case against Fox. They could have settled for big money but to their credit they wanted to make Fox accountable by trial to the entire country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Apr 23 - 11:05 AM I'd like to see mandatory voting. People who don't want to vote may spoil their ballots, but I'd have to think that most people, once there, would express actual wishes at the ballot box. Next week (April 25) is the E. Jean Carroll trial that brings aspects of the first two week's of April's trials together. He tried to not testify, tried to dismiss this because he was president, and that didn't fly, it just waited until he was out of office. She has a From NBC: NEW YORK — A Washington, D.C., appeals court on Thursday refused to decide whether Donald Trump can be shielded from the first of two defamation lawsuits by E. Jean Carroll, a writer who alleges the former U.S. president raped her nearly three decades ago. Of course he tried to make it presidential, but the rape occurred back in his mogul days. But wait! There's more! From Reuters: Judge rejects Trump's bid to learn juror names at defamation trial Donald Trump will not learn the identities of jurors expected to decide at an upcoming civil trial whether the former president defamed the writer E. Jean Carroll, who also claims Trump raped her. His goose is cooked legally from so many directions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:05 AM By the way, there's nothing deplorable about having a measured view just because it doesn't chime with yours. Your history is that many of your views are at best shaky and at worst uninformed. It is possible to discuss without auto-criticising. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 23 - 08:00 AM Think again. Compulsory voting means that people who haven't got the slightest interest in politics may go and vote randomly just to stay within the law, a very bad reason for making choices. Worse, they may be persuaded/manipulated into voting for bad people as their ignorance will put up little resistance to such devious practices. I can't see how a vote cast for someone you know nothing about, or about whom you've been misled, can possibly serve democracy. Far better to use publicity to persuade people to vote, to ensure that maximum honest information about candidates is readily available and, most importantly, to radically improve political education in schools. Round here we have mostly "independent" local councillors. It can be difficult from what little information is available to decide where they stand, and the fact that they profess no party allegiance makes choice even more difficult. I've found myself on rare occasions unable to make realistic choices so haven't voted. My principles dictate that I always vote, but an even stronger principle is that it's unsafe to vote in ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 23 - 07:41 AM Compulsory voting is a great idea for DEMOCRACY but anathema for a deplorable minority. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 14 Apr 23 - 09:21 PM P.J. was a colorful character as entertaining as Will Rogers. Truth is funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Apr 23 - 09:12 PM Well yes, but whether that means that democracy is better served is moot. You're forced to vote but you can spoil your ballot or, worse, vote for an idiot just to avoid penalty. Whilst I'm a member of the state, the state doesn't own me. There are many reasons why I might not want to vote, and, in a democracy, I should not have to admit to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 14 Apr 23 - 07:02 PM It's a humorous book. Voting is compulsory for all adults in Australia and I think we have more politician accountability here than in the U.S. because everyone votes. Politicians don't have to encourage people to vote, or play sneaky games with the people who do or don't vote for them. Everyone votes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Apr 23 - 06:45 PM I don't hold with the concept of compulsory voting at all, but we should always vote. I've just voted in our trade union elections for a new deputy general secretary (a couple of months ago it was for a new general secretary). It's all done by post, the union tries very hard to let us know what the candidates are like and what they stand for, but the turnout is always abysmally low. Low turnouts are not only a blight on the democracy that we're still allowed to have (watch out...) but they also give our political enemies grist to the mill. I always scrutinise the candidates' election statements with a fine-tooth comb and try to pick out the real lefties who I can vote for. This month I can "celebrate" my 50-year membership of the NUT/NEU (our main teachers' union). As a retired member I can still vote for our leaders but can't get involved in decisions about industrial action (and my fees are a lot lower!) Our system in democratic countries means that we elect politicians who are forced to appeal to us for their votes, and we do not appoint instead faceless bureaucrats. We do need people to run the country and, with a million caveats, we have to cut them some slack. But the keynote of democracy is that we able also to ruthlessly hold them to account. If you haven't voted, you lose the moral right to do that (though who knows whether you've voted or not...) So I think we should always vote, even it it means holding our noses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Apr 23 - 06:20 PM P.J. O'Rourke was an example of a well-adapted Republican. We knew his political views but he didn't hold other people's politics against them. I just pulled up his Wikipedia page. They have a quote from him: In 2016, he endorsed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. O'Rourke stated that his endorsement included her "lies and empty promises" and added "She's wrong about absolutely everything, but she's wrong within normal parameters". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 14 Apr 23 - 05:32 PM Yes, that sounds similar to some of our politicians here. Reminds me of that old saying: Don't Vote , it Just Encourages the Bastards |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Apr 23 - 05:11 PM There's a group in the GOP who push back at anything they think is supported by Democrats without rational thought as to what they they are appearing to support. They're toddlers in an adult game. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Helen Date: 14 Apr 23 - 04:40 PM SRS, I am predicting that this will be on his gravestone, "He dug his own legal grave with what he said". And Marjorie Taylor Green? Just when I thought I couldn't be more surprised about U.S. politicians. No way! (Although I have to say that one of our Oz politicians is amazing me at present with his stony-faced, audacious, prejudiced, spin-doctor rubbish, so I shouldn't be surprised.) LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Apr 23 - 10:52 AM Trump was on the stand for eight hours yesterday answering questions in the New York/ AG Letitia James lawsuit. He can't take the Fifth Amendment excuse for not answering questions because the jury is allowed to know about it and infer that he would be hiding his guilt. So apparently he talked quite a lot. Hopefully he dug his own legal grave with what he said. Trump appeared for deposition in high-stakes civil lawsuit threatening the fate of his business empire (I was thinking this was the E. Jean Carroll rape civil lawsuit, but that is NEXT week.) And in other news of the truly undeserving in Congress, Marjorie Taylor Green is defending the idiot who leaked all sorts of classified documents to impress his video gaming and gun collecting buddies. I wonder if that was also an incel cell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 13 Apr 23 - 08:00 AM HERE WE GO AGAIN - Russian and Chinese bots amplify Trump's arrest. About half a million bots supported Trump when actually only 26,000 actual posts did. PBS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED (NO new Trmp threads) 2 From: Donuel Date: 12 Apr 23 - 07:45 PM In a related matter, HBO killed Rupert Murdoch in effigy by giving a heart attack to the Rupert character in the series Succession. Also his latest wife has left him and the judge is pissed at him for withholding evidence in the Dominion case. |
