BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jun 23 - 10:37 AM

Trump and McConnell et al are the talking heads propelled by the Koch brothers and the Federalist Society and more.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 09:31 PM

The Complete GUIDE TO THE MAGA CULTURE WAR:


Pardon all convicts victimized by Democratic weaponization of law
Victimize and destroy any opponent by way of weaponizing law
Defund FBI, DOJ, and replace the CONSTITUTION
Destroy all woke books, media, and Democracy
Make MAGA history the only true history
Keep .... the following goals a secret
Take away all women's right to vote
REMOVE WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO HEALTHCARE
Remove all women's right to serve
Make our President serve for life
Make minorities NOT MATTER
Make blacks slaves again
Remove the courts
Burn the jew

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 06:25 PM

What is popular among talking heads with no new news to report, is discussing the possible defense strategies for Trump and then dissecting them to death. Only the coming realities will be worth discussing.

Imagine yourself for one reason or another you went all in for Trump.
Admitting his or your own evil is as problematic as hell. It is easier to feel righteous and become more vindictive. You might want to jail all your opponents. You might want to kill. Progressives should not give them more ammunition.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 05:16 PM

This article never refers to Trump by name, but instead uses comical monikers and references to his past misdemeanors and failures:

Florida man insists he didn't violate the law by keeping Top Secret docs

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 01:00 PM

I wish Tom Lehrer would start writing songs again. Randy Rainbow does a good job, but I'd love to see Lehrer's spin on Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 12:26 AM

'Your reasoning could end up excusing Trump because he's not as bad as Putin!'

I've got to admit I find the current crop of tories, not as distasteful as the ones of the Thatcher era. Surely any progress a political party makes is to be applauded.

Don't get me wrong I know where my loyalties lie. However that the tory grandees have got rid of BJ speaks volumes. Plus I think the partygate bollocks shows how much Labour fear his populism and charisma.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 07:17 PM

Our dog's badder than your dog
Our dog's badder than yours
Our dog's badder cause he gives secrets out
Our dog's badder than yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 05:21 PM

I've heard de Pfeffel described today as "Poundland Trump". But if you want a fuller compare-and-contrast:

See the ex-leaders' rest home,
The home for the mad and the bad,
Where Boris would love to be Donald,
And Donald would love to be Vlad.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 05:14 PM

They both lie relentlessly to keep power so the comparison is valid, Al. Your reasoning could end up excusing Trump because he's not as bad as Putin!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 04:57 PM

Doesn't really compare. Boris had some mates round for a few sausage rolls and vol au vents and lied about it. Trump tried to get a mob to end democracy in America.
The other difference is of course that the tories have chucked BJ out. Trump on the other hand is the front runner for the Republican nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 04:54 PM

When Boris has an armed insurrection get back to us.

Our last insurrection had a snowball's chance in hell. Talking heads are saying expect another one, once Trump loses this case or two.
I think another one will have a snowball's chance on the Sun.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 04:52 PM

(*ahem*) I think you'll find the message in question here, Steve; threads as displayed appear to be sorted by datestamp, so your transplanted one will appear before entries on the same target thread written later in time. That threw me for a wee while too, till I checked the in-message Subject lines.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 03:50 PM

I tried to make a comparison here between what Trump is doing and what Boris Johnson is doing. I drew parallels between what these two men are doing and I think it's a comparison that is well worth making and well worth thinking about. There are several similarities between their actions which could potentially have a large impact on western politics. I really don't know why you moved that post. I did try to keep it on topic with regard to Trump. Ho hum, Maggie.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 02:00 PM

Nicole Wallace on MSNBC rattles off her description of 45 when she speaks about him - something along the lines of "the twice impeached, twice indicted, sexual assaulter ex-president of the United States."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 01:07 PM

"Rules, laws and taxes are for losers and suckers"
quote: An ex-President of the USA

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 10:47 AM

The posts that arrived between the last two of Dave's were moved to the UK thread. I'm sure that's a topic people will want to mine some more, but on that other stage is better.

A similarity in US and UK politics, though, is the amount of Russian interference. It has been stated (by whom I don't remember) that the Russian interference in social media with bots spouting political crap was hugely responsible in influencing people to vote for Brexit. They were being sneaky about it. With regard to Trump and things like disabling (or even leaving) NATO, the War in Ukraine, treatment of Iran and the nuclear treaty he dismantled, etc., the Russians visited him in the White House and told him what they wanted. He shared state secrets with them, and said he trusted Russia more than the FBI.

I really really hope the FBI and the State Department are fingerprinting every document they took from Trump's house to see who all touched them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 07:54 AM

I only put the Johnson thing on to compare the treatment of the two. Let's keep the Bozo arguments on the UK politics thread eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 05:32 AM

Take heed, USAians. This is how we do it in the UK :-D

From the Sky News site

"A parliamentary inquiry has concluded that Boris Johnson knowingly misled parliament multiple times with his statements about parties in Downing Street during the COVID pandemic.

The privileges committee of MPs found Mr Johnson's breaches serious enough to recommend a suspension of 90 days if he were still an MP - far exceeding the period needed to trigger a recall petition and possible by-election.

In the highly anticipated report, published this morning, the committee found that Mr Johnson:

• Misled the house on multiple occasions

• Committed further contempt in his conduct by impugning the committee - thereby undermining the democratic process of the House

• Was complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee

In a further sanction, the committee also recommended that Mr Johnson should not be granted a former member's pass to parliament following his resignation as an MP. "

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 23 - 05:00 PM

It is said Trump is running for a pardon from a Republican 'winner'.
He uses 'Godfather speak' to ask others to harm witnesses and opponents.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 23 - 03:13 PM

I think it actually has to happen either in the court, or flying in the face of instructions given by the court about speech regarding the case during the case.

Trump and his son-in-law meddled in Israel, a place that has way too much privilege in connection with the US. Israeli travel in US - with no visas? I wonder if the US is going to pull the US Embassy back out of Jerusalem where Trump put it, despite the political fallout? The whole thing should be moved back to Tel Aviv.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jun 23 - 01:14 PM

Does the American justice system make use of the concept 'contempt of court'? I have never see more contempt of the court process than Donald Trump's speech last night expressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 08:03 PM

The Documents case for Dummies:
This case is about the Fed Bath and Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Trump asked his lawyer about committing a crime. The Lawyer said No, Crime bad.
Donald did it anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 07:33 PM

The sedition charge is going to come in Washington, D.C., and the head of the Proud Boys, who is now serving a long term after being found guilty of sedition, is predicting that Trump will also be found guilty.

There are many ways this can play out. You need to look into the history of how the Justice Department got Spiro Agnew out of the vice presidency before Nixon was taken down. If he'd become president it would have been hell to pay, but they convinced him to resign and no longer run in order to make all of the charges go away. That kind of leverage is still available to the Justice Department.

Anyone found guilty of sedition can not hold any elected office in the federal government. Even if there was a federal dog catcher.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 06:04 PM

There is a conviction that would bar him from holding office.
Do you want to guess or shall I tell you?

Hint: he has done it already.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 05:59 PM

All it takes is one fanatic that is as unhinged as Trump Tower's revolving front door.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 05:58 PM

If Trump faces a jury, he has to be found guilty by a unanimous verdict. Anyone betting on that? In addition, no conviction can stop him from running again and becoming your next president. He has as much public support for the Republican candidature as all the other candidates put together. Seems to me that it's all been left too late. Had he been behind bars for the last twelve or eighteen months, it would be very different. So it looks like it's all in the hands of those seventy million emptyheads who are sure to vote for him again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 05:15 PM

There are difficulties about Trump discussing the case with many witnesses (he's not supposed to), since so many of them work for him. First among that group is his main henchman Nauta, who moved boxes so many times. Trump ordered to not speak with Walt Nauta, witnesses about documents case: reports.

Nauta was having trouble getting an attorney, so his pleading in this is in two weeks' time. Depending on how difficult things are for him, his loyalty to the Golem of the White House is being tested. If he flips, that makes things a lot easier for him (but the death threats from the MAGA crowd will follow.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 04:41 PM

No bail, no passport seizure, no mugshot, no return to court date.
The goalposts are on roller skates. The ex-Republican President has a congress that is willing to ignore, delay and lie for him as the rule of law is symbolically applied.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 01:48 PM

Now they have endless live coverage of three black SUVs led by a police car, going down the highway. It reminds me of OJ's white Bronco followed by police cars.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 01:24 PM

Trump's getting arraigned at the court house
ding dong the fur is going to fly
there won't be some hand cuffs
or perp walks with rough stuff
so get me to the court on time...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 12:54 PM

MSNBC has gone silly with their red and black American flag set and the deca box of contributors. It's like their version of the Super Bowl. Now they are doing micro-stories about yellow police tape vs. hardened barriers like 'bike racks'.
This is a good time to mow the grass.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 11:24 AM

3pm Eastern the circus begins, is my understanding. I expect to be at the gym but I can pull up MSNBC on my phone.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 11:20 AM

Into the valley of death rode the valliant...



600!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 23 - 06:16 PM

Make America Grift Again, Bust him out of jail

There are more parallels with Hitler except Adolf was much younger for his prison years after his Beerhall insurrection. Donald is 77. Hitler's prison book was 'My Struggle'. Trump's prison book will be 'Witch Hunt'.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 23 - 04:10 PM

MaJoC the Filk is CCCP. Constant Consecutively Correct Poster.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 12 Jun 23 - 12:38 PM

> That they are willing to do violence in behalf of their actual con man
> oppressor is bizarre

It's called Sado-Populism --- once you've disengaged their critical faculties, they're lost to sense. We get the same over here (Herself has said "They've drunk the Kool Aid" twice this afternoon), but thankfully without guns.

First rule of Extremism Club: Turn the rabble against your worst enemy: the intellectuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 23 - 12:08 PM

Did you know?

As president, Trump approved a law increasing penalties for mishandling classified info. It could come back to bite him. In 2018.

Trump signed the bill, which made changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, into law in January 2018.

It upgraded the seriousness of wrongly moving classified material, turning it from a misdemeanor into a felony — and increasing the maximum sentence to five years, up from one.

Moss noted that it was passed after Trump's relentless attacks during the 2016 presidential campaign on Hillary Clinton, who was being investigated over whether she mishandled classified information.

The ass thought he could use that law to clobber Hillary. This blade swings both ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 23 - 10:17 AM

Silvio Berlusconi's death is liable to bring up lots of comparison of their personal, financial, and political antics.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 23 - 11:03 PM

I'm a Yank and I have mentioned some urgency once or twice.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jun 23 - 09:06 PM

I have my money on the Archivists taking him down. They warned him, if he didn't return the documents they'd sic the Department of Justice on him. Even with the twit judge who Trump appointed on the bench in Florida, she can be forced to recuse herself. The things he is charged with are serious enough to keep him out of office ever again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 23 - 08:36 PM

Be assured that there is a very long way to go. This man has massive support in the country. That hardly counts for nothing, does it? Rather than talking about how we hope he'll be miserable in jail, etc., we could be talking about the severe threat to democracy that he poses. As he's a big Putin supporter, we could also be talking about the threat to Ukraine if he prevails. And it wouldn't just be Ukraine, would it? Where's the urgency, yanks?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 11 Jun 23 - 08:18 PM

Donald Trump's former attorney-general William Barr says 'he's toast' if indictment allegations are proven true.

I'm hoping for just plain, dry toast but no jam. :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 23 - 07:20 AM

factoid: Trump is entitled to life long Secret Service protection.
If jailed would the SS cede protection to the Bureau of Prisons?
An electronic ankle bracelet might be an alternative.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 23 - 06:51 AM

All of the evidence and testimony is coming from Trump and his own people/employees, White House staff and at his home in his own State.
Even his own personally appointed judge is involved.
Will this fact be lost on his base? I say yes. Republicans all doubled down for the insurrection within weeks. Those who now have changed their tune were hypocrites for Trump at a critical time.

Only the prosecutor is outside Donald's sphere. Trump's unhinged threats against him are a violent disgrace.

This case makes Richard Nixon look like a choir boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 11 Jun 23 - 04:01 AM

Donuel, your song reminded me of this one:

"Stuck In The Middle With You"

Well, you started off with nothing
And you're proud that you're a self-made man
And your friends they all come crawlin'
Slap you on the back and say, "Please, please"

Trying to make some sense of it all
But I can see it makes no sense at all
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor?
Well, I don't think I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you


I thought that it was just a thought bubble and that it wasn't relevant to this discussion, but then I wondered whether it could relate to those poor unfortunate other Republican presidential candidates who are stuck in the middle between extremes with not a lot of room to move.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 23 - 06:34 PM

Squabbling posts have been deleted. Would all of you please stop the bickering and just ignore the posts you don't like? If your complaint is deleted, then don't post it again. It was seen the first time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 23 - 04:06 PM

Despite fatigue, despite fatigue
despite fatigue onward,
All up the hill of Truth
drove the six thousand.
"Forward, the Right Brigade!
Charge for our Trump!" he said
Up the Hill of Truth
drove the six thousand

“Forward, the Right Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the fascists knew
   Someone had blundered.
   Theirs not to make reply,
   Theirs not to reason why,
   Theirs but to do and die.
   Up the hill of Truth
   Drove the six thousand.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
   Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Truth,
Into the mouth of hell
   Drove the three thousand.

Flashed all their Trump flags bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Dieing by dozens there,
Charging an army, while
   All the world wondered.
Plunged into the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Red necks and bigots
Reeled in the cannon smoke
   Shattered and sundered.
Then they drove back, but not
   Not the six thousand.

Marines to right of them,
Army to left of them,
The Guard behind them
   Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While Chevys and heros fell.
They that had charged so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
   Left were six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
   All the world wondered.
What was the charge they made!
What was the right Brigade,
   Trump's idiots!



based on...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 23 - 03:19 PM

We had a 'Know Nothing' political party. Now we have a 'No Evidence'
party willing to declare civil war. I have remarked how I have heard civil war noise for 15 years, after Ruby Ridge and Waco.

We, the federalists, have quite a collection of nonlethal crowd weapons. One uses acoustics to make people throw up and lose consciousness. We also have ordinary lethal ones. I have personally felt the effect of microwave weapons.

Let them wage their Charge of the Right Brigade.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 23 - 02:56 PM

Trump has asked people to hunt down his prosecutor and his wife.
I was wrong about people not being willing to put their life in jeopardy regarding the call to attack the Capitol. Losers who blame another race or political party are in fact willing to do crazy acts of revolting violence.
That they are willing to do violence in behalf of their actual con man oppressor is bizarre, but supports my hypnosis theory. Time will tell.
Trump is the Queen of Hearts of the through the looking-glass reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 23 - 12:30 PM

Trump's supporters are restless - those who haven't been charged in Jan. 6 offenses yet: ‘We Need to Start Killing’: Trump’s Far-Right Supporters Are Threatening Civil War
Within minutes of Trump’s indictment, supporters lit up social media platforms with violent threats and calls for civil war.

In what is becoming a now all-too-familiar trend, former President Donald Trump’s far-right supporters have threatened civil war after news broke Thursday that the former president was indicted for allegedly taking classified documents from the White House without permission.

“We need to start killing these traitorous fuckstains,” wrote one Trump supporter on The Donald, a rabidly pro-Trump message board that played a key role in planning the January 6 attack on the Capitol. Another user added: “It's not gonna stop until bodies start stacking up. We are not civilly represented anymore and they'll come for us next. Some of us, they already have.”

Trump has been indicted on seven counts following an investigation by special counsel Jack Smith into classified documents taken by Trump from the White House in 2021. The indictments have not been released, but Trump’s attorney Jim Trusty told CNN that his client is facing a charge under the Espionage Act, as well as “charges of obstruction of justice, destruction or falsification of records, conspiracy and false statements.”

Trump announced the news himself on Truth Social, writing that he had been indicted in the “Boxes Hoax” case, as he put it, and said he would be arraigned on Tuesday at Florida Southern District Courthouse in Miami. Within minutes, his supporters lit up social media platforms with violent threats and calls for civil war, according to research from VICE News and Advance Democracy, a nonpartisan think tank that tracks online extremism.

Trump and his spokespeople are all about Tu quoque rhetorical antics - "whataboutism" has them suggesting Biden and his family and Hillary and others have done heinous things and they should be on trial instead. Meaning, they have NO defense.