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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 05:43 AM

On Wiki it says Robert F Kennedy Jr and Marianne Williamson.

Are either likely to become president?

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 11:44 AM

The best result would be that he runs for president and loses by an absolute landslide but I can't see that happening.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 23 - 04:12 AM

I think I said it further up the thread but can't resist repeating it

Is Wednesday going to be arraigning night in Georgia then?

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From: gillymor
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 03:36 AM

You forgot the raspberries.

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From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM

For the benefit of those that aren't familiar with the creep, he spells it "Jordan".

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From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 08:41 AM

Trump as Speaker would be like pouring gasoline on an already blazing dumpster fire.

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From: Helen
Date: 20 Oct 23 - 10:34 PM

US Republicans revoke speaker bid of hardline conservative Jim Jordan after third failed vote

"Hardline conservative Jim Jordan's quest to become speaker of the US House of Representatives has ended after fellow Republicans revoked their support following a third failed vote on the House floor."

My take on this development is that, as the old Chinese proverb says, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step so every little positive change adds up in the larger scheme of things.

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From: Helen
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 02:06 PM

Yes!!! And Sidney Powell "... has agreed to testify against any of the 17 remaining defendants. Ms. Powell has also agreed to turn over documents in her possession related to the case."

Yes, yes, yes!!! :-D

After watching her memorable performance, talking absolute rubbish, e.g. "release the Kraken" etc next to Rudy Giuliani at the Four Seasons Total Landscaping press conference fiasco, I am very, very surprised that she has rolled over and surrendered.

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From: Helen
Date: 08 Oct 23 - 08:38 PM

Maybe Trump has a hidden cache of FBI brains at Mar A Lago.

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From: Helen
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 02:55 PM

Donald Trump accused of sharing nuclear submarine details with Australian billionaire Anthony Pratt

"Former US president Donald Trump reportedly discussed "potentially sensitive" details of America's nuclear submarine program with an Australian billionaire.

"The American ABC news outlet reported that Mr Trump told Anthony Pratt the supposed number of nuclear warheads on US subs, and how close they could get to a Russian submarine without being detected.

"The conversation is said to have taken place at Mr Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, several months after he left office.

"ABC — which is not affiliated with ABC in Australia — also reported that Mr Pratt allegedly then shared the information with at least 45 people, including journalists and employees, as well as 10 Australian officials and three former prime ministers."

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From: Helen
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 02:33 AM

SRS, that handshake video was a scream. But would any blonde woman want to touch his hand? Not in a million years.

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From: Helen
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:56 PM

I guess McCarthy thought that if he backed the Biden "impeachment" issue he might be safe-ish. Guessed wrong! I think he was in a lose-lose position, whichever decision he backed.

BTW Donuel, I agree with what you said in your post 02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM about the Electoral College and mandatory voting. As an outsider in a country with an electoral system which works fairly well most of the time, I view both of those parts of the U.S. electoral system with considerable disquiet.

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From: Helen
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:28 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Lighter.

In Oz, there have been occasions where the polling indicates a likely result and the opposite result occurs. In some cases I think that the polling helps some voters to think more clearly about their voting intentions, and possibly sways them into a different path than originally they intended. We are poised to find out one of those results in a week or so. I have my fingers and toes crossed that the current polling results are not the final outcome on that issue.

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From: Helen
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 05:03 PM

Oh sorry, Lighter. :-)

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From: Helen
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 03:22 PM

Lighter, SRS was referring to non-MAGA politicians, people who were prepared to act on their principles:

"Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee."

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 02:50 PM

Steve, we know how good your precognitive skills are, but it ain't over until the fat orange man sings.

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From: Helen
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM

Is the smiley face next to the word "cognoscenti" because you don't know how to spell it?

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From: Helen
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 06:10 PM

SRS, I like Harris, and I totally agree with everything you said about her.

Looking at the campaign through the perspective of marketing (i.e. business management-speak) I think that Biden has a good chance of getting re-elected but to start up a whole new person as a potential successful candidate when Biden is currently doing a good job in the role (in my opinion, and in the polling results) is not a good marketing strategy.

I think that if Biden is re-elected then Harris stepping in, for whatever reason, is a good strategy but trying to get a woman elected, straight off the blocks, is not likely (in my opinion) due to ingrained beliefs that "a woman can't do the job". Not just male voters, but some female voters have that belief as well.

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From: Helen
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 02:11 PM

The polls I have seen are ranking Biden and Trump fairly equal. It seems logical to me for them both to run - assuming that Trump gets the GOP nomination, which appears likely - because it would be an uphill battle for the Democrats to find someone else with any chance of beating Trump.

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From: Helen
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 06:38 PM

Ah, thanks Lighter. I get it now.

And to "dissolve the Trump Organization and to keep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state" - I'd like to see that. Hit them in the hip pocket nerve, where it hurts the most!

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From: Helen
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 05:44 PM

You beat me to it, Lighter. I was just about to add a link to a news article in Oz.

Judge rules former US president Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers as he built his real estate empire

"Former US president Donald Trump and his family business have been found liable for fraud in a New York court

"The civil case was brought Attorney General Letitia James', accusing Mr Trump of illegally inflating his assets and net worth

"Ms James accused him of lying for a decade about asset values and his net worth to get better terms on bank loans and insurance"

One thing I don't understand is what the judge's ruling means if a "trial is scheduled for October 2, and could last well into December".

The judge has made a ruling but there will still be a trial?

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From: Helen
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 01:12 PM

Regarding Trump's recent confusion, I'm wondering whether the strain of having to think before he speaks due to legal constraints is starting to make his brain boil over. All that stress of holding in what he really wants to say must be taking a toll on his health. For him, NOT saying something and evaluating every word he does say is not a normal state of affairs.

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From: Helen
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 11:12 PM

Yes, thanks for clarifying that SRS. It's a bit confusing for an Aussie.

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From: Helen
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 07:28 PM

I have seen two news commentaries about the difficult situation in which Kevin McCarthy has found himself regarding the announced impeachment against President Biden. One was on Deutsche Welle news on Oz TV, and one was on an Oz show called Planet America.

Both commentaries imply that McCarthy is caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't announce the impeachment. One of the comments on Planet America was that because the impeachment was not put to a vote, it may not be valid, but that McCarthy may not have been confident of sufficient numbers to pass the motion.

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From: Helen
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 04:33 PM

Donald Trump hosts $US100,000 a head fundraiser to help Rudy Giuliani pay legal bills

* "Mr Giuliani is facing a barrage of legal fees, fines, sanctions and damages related to helping Mr Trump with his cases
* "He faces a total of 13 charges, including the violation of Georgia's anti-racketeering law
* "His son Andrew told local radio the event was expected to make $US1 million"

See, he does care about the people around him. Or is he just helping his own cause as usual?

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From: Helen
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 03:30 PM

Perhaps Donuel meant to say, "Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the REPUBLICAN people to his version of populism."

Statistically it is still not correct but Donuel, generally I view your broad brush comments as thought provoking.

And don't forget that the TV persona of Trump has a very high influence. The disconnect between what is loosely referred to as "reality TV" and reality itself is difficult for some viewers to see. A TV star or Hollywood star projects an aura of being in control of dramatic situations and some voters project that carefully crafted and directed vision onto political reality.

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From: Helen
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 02:13 AM

Wouldn't the six voters have to wait until the outcome of the trial before they could do that? Or are they just anticipating that he will be found guilty and commencing action now?

Ok, from that article I can see that they are basing their action on this:

"The group included findings on Trump's efforts to overturn the election results that were revealed by the House Jan. 6 committee, which dissolved in January after having concluded a lengthy investigation into the riot, as well as from special counsel Jack Smith's investigation that led to one of the four criminal indictments against the former president."

I guess there is time pressure to start their action now, given the impending election processes.

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From: Helen
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 11:06 PM

Just mention Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and I am transported back in time to watching them both at that outdoor press conference at the landscaping business. He's sweating hair dye and she is spouting the most unbelievable, whackadoodle guff I have ever heard in my life. Hollywood, here they come!

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From: Helen
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM

Former US president Donald Trump faces new developments in Georgia election subversion case, defamation lawsuit

"Former US president Donald Trump's legal predicaments seem to be gaining momentum ahead of his 2024 electoral run.

"Amid a slew of new developments, Mr Trump has announced during a radio interview he is willing to testify in his classified documents case.

"The case, which alleges Mr Trump mishandled classified documents at his Mar-A-Lago resort after he left office, is scheduled to begin in May.

"'I look forward to testifying,' Mr Trump told the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.

"He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and accused prosecutors of targeting him for political purposes.

"While the claim sounds promising, Mr Trump has a history of showing a willingness to testify in investigations, only to back-pedal later."


It's a long article but in the light of the last statement I quoted from it, we'll just have to wait and see whether he does actually testify.

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From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 08:15 PM

Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio sentenced for seditious conspiracy role in January 6 riots

"The former chairman of the far-right Proud Boys group has been sentenced to 22 years' prison for his role in the events of January 6 Capitol riot.

...

"Tarrio addressed the court ahead of sentencing, describing what happened on January 6 as "national embarrassment".

"He apologised to members of Congress, the police officers who defended the Capitol and the citizens of Washington DC.

"The defendant's voice cracked as he pleaded with the judge to show him mercy and broke down when talking of his family, saying he had failed them.

"'I am not a political zealot. Inflicting harm or changing the results of the election was not my goal,' Tarrio said."

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From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 03:44 PM

Ah yes, the hip-pocket nerve!

I'm thinking that the restrictions placed on him communicating in the time before and during all of the trials is probably the most effective way to take him out of the running for the election. He's in a damned-if-you-do talk, and damned-if-you-don't situation because he can't sway voters with his BS. So the trials themselves could go either way, but the time leading up to and during the trials could be the crucial turning point. Possibly a glimmer of hope there??!!

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From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 11:45 AM

Trump has been surprisingly quiet. Not a natural state for him, so I expect the urge to make his usual outbursts will outdo the legal demands placed on him for silence and self preservation. Silence, for him, would be anathema.

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From: Helen
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 12:39 AM

Two Proud Boys leaders sentenced to prison for their role in January 6 US Capitol riots

* Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl are the first Proud Boys to be sent to prison
* Both apologised for their actions, with Biggs claiming "I'm not a terrorist"
* The judge handed a far lower sentence than prosecutors sought

...

"Two other Proud Boys — Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola — will face sentencing before Justice Kelly on Friday, while the group's former chairman Enrique Tarrio will be sentenced on September 5.

"Prosecutors are seeking a 33-year prison term for Tarrio and a 27-year term for Nordean, both of whom were also convicted of seditious conspiracy.

"They are requesting a 20-year term for Pezzola, who was acquitted of seditious conspiracy, but convicted of other serious felonies."

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From: Helen
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 05:33 AM

As an ex-librarian, I think that is totally wrong. I never read Ray Bradbury's book Fahrenheit 451, probably because the thought of burning books for ideological purposes upset me too much.

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From: Helen
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 03:25 AM

Relating this topic to music.

Ten times musicians told politicians to quit playing their music

The article lists ten instances where politicians have used music without permission and then there is this at the end:

"Former US president Donald Trump is a serial offender when it comes to using artists' music without their permission.

"In fact, the list of musicians who've condemned him for doing so is now so long it has its own Wikipedia page, with the tracks in question serving as a pretty impressive playlist in their own right.

"Trump's refusal to even attempt to find artists whose opinions align with his own means his rally attendees have so far rocked out to a long list of liberal icons, including Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, the White Stripes and — inexplicably — the Village People.

'R.E.M. singer Michael Stipe perhaps put it most succinctly in 2015, when he criticised the Trump campaign for playing the band's music.

" 'Go f*** yourselves, the lot of you — you sad, attention-grabbing, power-hungry little men. Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign,' Stipe said.   '

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From: Helen
Date: 27 Aug 23 - 03:09 PM

SRS, a lot of things surprised me about Trump, but the one thing which surprised me about the whole saga was how Putin was playing him like a violin. Surprising and very scary.

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From: Helen
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 11:18 PM

Maybe MaJoC, or maybe it is all that volcanic verbal lava trying to bubble up and out of his mouth and he, for once in his life, thinking that maybe it would be a better strategic, self-preservation plan not to let it out.

If I was a betting person, I'd bet that the primal urge to talk will overtake even the urge for self preservation.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Nov 23 - 03:33 PM

The Trump kids are having to testify this week. First up, Don, Jr. Donald Trump Jr. is testifying at the Trump fraud trial in New York. Here's what to know.

The former president's eldest son began testifying shortly before 3 p.m. Wednesday afternoon after hours of testimony by expert witnesses earlier in the day. Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump and their father Donald Trump are also expected to be sworn in to testify under oath in the coming days.

The Trump Organization, the former president and his two adult sons are accused of engaging in a fraud scheme that netted them hundreds of millions of dollars by falsely inflating property valuations, and Donald Trump's wealth, in deals with banks and insurers. Ivanka Trump was named as a defendant when the state's lawsuit was filed in September 2022, but a New York court later dismissed the claims against her for being outside the statute of limitations.

The judge has not allowed TV cameras to film the trial, meaning his questioning is not being live-streamed. CBS News has reporters on the scene to witness his testimony, and this story will be updated with the latest developments.

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From: Helen
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 08:02 PM

Sorry, that was the comment about Ivanka that I've tried to post in the Trump thread. I didn't mean to start the discussion about her in this one. I posted it here my mistake.

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From: Charmion
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 04:09 PM

Helen, I've always wondered that. I think Ivanka looks like something made of extruded plastic.

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From: Helen
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 02:19 PM

I forgot to say that the photo of Ivanka in the article I mentioned looks like an AI generated image and not a photo of a real live human. Is she a real live human? I wonder! LOL

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From: Donuel
Date: 28 Oct 23 - 12:06 PM

What to expect from the Trump kids:
Eric will make an inadvertent stupid mistake in his testimony. Don Jr will manage to perjure himself and Ivanka will not help Dad any more than she did when she agreed with Bill Barr over her father. None of them will give damaging testimony as great as Sammy the Bull Gravano did against the Teflon Don.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 23 - 11:13 AM

All of these trials, so many moving parts. And the testimony from one can be used at the others. It was sounding like Ivanka had dodged that trial bullet.

Meanwhile, the Trump imprimatur on Johnson in the House GOP followed three weeks of hearding cats for Patric McHenry of North Carolina.

Rep. Patrick McHenry, fresh off a brutal three-week stint as caretaker speaker, revealed Thursday how exasperating the episode was and sounded less than confident about the House GOP’s ability to maintain its newfound unity: “We’ll see.”

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From: Helen
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 11:36 PM

Donald Trump to testify in New York fraud trial, along with children Ivanka, Donald Jr and Eric

Key points:

* The lawsuit alleges Mr Trump overstated his wealth for years on financial statements
* Mr Trump denies any wrongdoing and has called the trial a politically motivated sham
* The case could strip Mr Trump of some corporate holdings and marquee properties such as Trump Tower

And in the last part of the article there is an interesting analysis of why Ivanka's testimony is deemed relevant, even though "her lawyers may appeal to try to block her testimony".

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 12:14 AM

According to CNN, Fani Willis has discussed plea deals with six more of the Trump co-defendants in Georgia.

The strategy by District Attorney Fani Willis’ office is clear: get as many co-defendants as possible to flip on the former president, leaving Trump and perhaps a few close allies on the hot seat. . . .A source with knowledge of the Fulton County DA’s strategy tells CNN that it would be open to discussing plea deals with anyone, but there is little room for compromise when it comes to the charges against Trump.

"The first to squeal gets the deal."

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From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 23 - 06:18 PM

Trump is reliving a time in his prime when the Teflon Don won three straight lawsuits in a row in standing-room-only NYC courtrooms and streets full of cheering crowds. At night there were fireworks celebrations. It is not turning out that way for Trump as it did for John Gotti. The fourth indictment put John away for life.

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From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 05:31 PM

EBarnacle, I'm not surprised to read that.

I made the interesting mistake of having the sound muted all the way off
when recently surfing through television channels.

And what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but Donald Trump before a live audience somewhere.

Silent, mind you. The audience was obviously giving sustained applause.
And Trump stood there grinning like the Cheshire Cat
and vibrating as though he were purring like one as well.
An unforgettable image.

And no, I didn't turn the sound on, in response.

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From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 05:28 PM

Trump approved and election denier Mr. Johnson became Speaker by one vote. Trump warned, "do not shut the door on my Johnson". Democrats call Johnson a Jim Jordan but with a sports coat.

Meadows will testify as to Trump's intent/Mens Rea.

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From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 04:39 PM

After Trump stormed out of court, the judge has now called all the lawyers back into court including Donald. The judge is back in control of his courtroom but I have no idea what he is saying or doing right now.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 04:29 PM

The judge fined him another $10,000 for ignoring the gag order. And though under cross examination Trump's attorney was able to show that Cohen had lied twice in the Senate hearings (before he was charged and pleaded guilty, etc.) but as the commentators noted, under later examination Cohen "was able to square that circle" and testify why the earlier testimony was a lie. I think he was still on the Trump team at that time.

It has been noted that this New York trial isn't the one that would include jail time (in the penalty), UNLESS it is jail time during the trial due to breaking the gag order. I'm guessing there is money bet on Trump's behavior and that outcome - more fines, or possibly jail.