BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 23 - 03:01 PM

Trump had until Thursday (7/20) to appear before the most recent Grand Jury (Washington, D.C.) and didn't; last time he was given that opportunity I seem to recall it was less than a week before a hearing was called to offer up the indictment settled upon by the Grand Jury. So maybe this week the D.C. folks will get out ahead of the Georgia folks, who have plans for the first couple of weeks in August.

Meanwhile the judge in the civil action by E. Jean Carroll has made it clear that Trump committed rape, even if the jury said sexual assault. Because Trump keeps trying to say he wasn't found guilty of rape.

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 23 - 06:04 PM

People say she should not have canceled her Michigan tour at the end but that could be sour grapes.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jul 23 - 11:33 AM

Nope. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. The only reason Trump won the first time, even with a lower vote count than Hillary, was because of some of those swing states that her managers didn't think needed attention. No one is going to make that mistake again. Trump will still get the lower vote count and will lose, again. The fact that he tried to cheat in those same swing states in 2020 is one reason why so many indictments are coming his way.

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 23 - 11:01 AM

All things are possible. Dr Richard Feynman

The judge heard that Trump claimed he was not guilty of RAPE and announced last week that by NYS law he was found guilty of RAPE.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 23 - 06:27 PM

There's a bottom line here: there is nothing on the horizon which precludes him from standing again. And he will win.

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From: Helen
Date: 21 Jul 23 - 05:38 PM

It is also interesting that "Friday's ruling came from US District Judge Aileen Cannon, who sits in Fort Pierce, Florida."

Aileen Cannon "The Trump-appointed judge who will preside over his case"

"Others contend that Cannon will ensure that he gets a fair shake.

" 'It's impossible now for Trump to complain that he's got a judge that is biased against him,' said Edward Foley, a constitutional law professor at Ohio State University.

"Thomas Holbrook, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, said Cannon is in a "tough position."

" 'Almost no matter what she does, she's going to either feed into existing concerns about her potential bias or disappoint Trump supporters,' Holbrook said."

(Note: I just picked that news item at random but it seems to present a balanced view.)

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From: Helen
Date: 21 Jul 23 - 04:08 PM

Donald Trump scheduled to face
trial in May 2024 over classified documents allegations

"Trump's lawyers had resisted setting a trial date and said any trial should take place after the November 2024 US presidential election"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jul 23 - 01:32 PM

And Trump wants to be King. Or at least, a dictator.

Donald J. Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.

Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president’s recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden, signaling his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from White House political control.

Mr. Trump and his associates have a broader goal: to alter the balance of power by increasing the president’s authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, by either law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.

Mr. Trump intends to bring independent agencies — like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies, and the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against businesses — under direct presidential control.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jul 23 - 01:28 PM

Politico is reporting that because House majority leader McCarthy wouldn't endorse Trump, Trump is furious. So McCarthy promised to later this summer hold a vote to expunge Trump's two impeachments.

Even if he were to pull it off, that is a bell that can't be unrung - twice. It's like telling the jury to disregard some inappropriate or non-admissible testimony. It's out there.

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From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 23 - 12:16 PM

The unlikely change of plea to all his indictments might keep him out of jail. That plea could be Nolo contendere. Its the same plea that Spiro Agnew used.

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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jul 23 - 08:03 AM

I believe people have limited free will capable of change but when I look at Trmp I see a totally one-dimensional person incapable of free will or change. He is the epitome of determinism. A god of self-centered greed and deceit.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 23 - 07:39 PM

Like a superhero who has lost his powers, Trmp is vulnerable but are 3 pieces of kryptonite enough to end him before he gets his powers back?
Stay tuned for Donuel's happy-hour Podcast 'Death-Despair and Despondency'.


How close was the bullet to Reagan's heart?
The report notes that the bullet in Reagan's left lung stopped only an inch from his heart and attributes his survival to fast thinking by the Secret Service and the partnership between a dedicated medical team and a remarkably courageous patient. SHEESH 2 inches bah @:^/.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jul 23 - 04:06 PM

In an MSNBC article there is a photo Trump Faces Possible Indictment in Capitol Attack Investigation that is obnoxious - look at the side of the hat. It is actually another admission that he knows he lost, if you think about it. He's not "46" and wants to be "47."

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jul 23 - 12:54 PM

As annoying as HIPAA can be for various patients and letting family have access, you'd think the medical institutions would stand up to the AG - private is private. Sounds like there must be a federal remedy for this one.

Trump breaks the news again - telling people this morning that he received another billet-doux from Jack Smith. Trump says he's received target letter from special counsel Jack Smith in Jan. 6 probe

"It was not immediately clear what the charges are or whether anyone else received a target letter. People who have been informed that they are targets of criminal probes are often, but not always, indicted."

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From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jul 23 - 11:31 AM

Donuel, FFS, Reagan was not shot "in the heart. "Left armpit, just two inches from the heart." sheesh.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 23 - 06:52 AM

The conservative Heritage Foundation think tank has expanded their strategy to make the USA A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP with an Imperial Presidency with the power to eliminate any dissent from any branch of government, civil servants and individuals. It is all in black and white out loud fascism. https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-presidential-plans-second-term-power-election-2024-rcna94628
19 States have begun to seize the medical records by Attorney Generals of anyone who may have had an abortion in any state or gender treatments. The fascist purge is only starting with this vulnerable part of society. The true enemy will be any democracy-centered democrat. History shows a similar Nazi act called the Enabling Act having a similar goal but with different scape goats.

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From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 23 - 01:46 PM

Snide comment alert :^/ Give Nancy a break. After her husband was shot in the heart, her anxiety steered her to Jeane Dixon.

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From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 23 - 01:16 PM

My Pillow's bankruptcy is made in the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jul 23 - 12:46 PM

He's auctioning off the fixtures this month, they talked about it on MSNBC earlier this week. He happily got in bed with Trump and his allies, along with a couple of other online sales CEOs.

From 2021: MyPillow C.E.O.’s Trump Conspiracy Theories Put Company on the Spot
Retailers have stopped carrying its products, though Mike Lindell, the founder and face of MyPillow, blamed “cancel culture” and said he didn’t think it would last.

Another one whose fortunes have sagged is Patrick Byrne who ran Overstock.com. It was so odd to have these conspiracy theorists turning up as presidential advisors. Only Donald Trump would manage that (though Nancy Reagan apparently had some California Psychics or horoscope folks in her ear through the years.)

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From: gillymor
Date: 14 Jul 23 - 09:10 AM

Mike Lindell is biting the pillow. He's earned it.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 14 Jul 23 - 07:45 AM

> They break them up so there are gaps between the sentences on phones
> and tablets.

--- Ahhhh: that explains it, but doesn't excuse it on sensible displays. It reads to me .... like speeches .... by certain people .... who all appear .... to have been taught .... public speaking .... by Lady Di's .... asthmatic speech coach.

But point taken about blocks of solid text. That's used a lot in click-through legal boilerplate, EXACERBATED BY SHOUTING; the resultant MEGO effect (Mine Eyes Glazeth Over) is, methinks, entirely intentional.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 23 - 04:38 AM

Another worrying article in The Economist

How MAGA Republicans plan to make Donald Trump’s second term count

The more worrying things are "finishing the border wall, raising tariffs on allies and competitors alike, making unfunded tax cuts permanent and ending automatic citizenship for anyone born in the United States" but there are plenty more :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 23 - 10:02 PM

I know what you mean, I used to pull the sentences together into a regular grammatical paragraph when I pulled up quotes. They break them up so there are gaps between the sentences on phones and tablets. The look of a solid wall of text, as little as there is on a phone, is still hard to read. After a while you just give up and paste it the way they parse it.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Jul 23 - 11:56 AM

.... Ach, I might have known your second-to-last quote was from the Beeb site.

They have a tendency that's all too evident in the English print meeja: the delusion that a full stop is a paragraph marker.

I've no idea where that came from.

It's excessively irritating.

My daughter, every now and then used to proudly show me a sentence in our local paper, with a ring around a full stop in the middle of a paragraph.

End of rant.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 23 - 10:49 AM

DOJ juggles prosecuting Trump with its duty to safeguard the office of the presidency
There’s some cognitive dissonance at the Justice Department, which is trying to put Trump behind bars while fulfilling its mission to defend the office from civil suits.

In a courthouse in Florida, federal prosecutors are trying to put Donald Trump in jail. But in Washington, D.C., a different wing of the Justice Department is trying to shield him from being forced to testify under oath in a long-running lawsuit.

Welcome to the bizarro-world reality facing Attorney General Merrick Garland, the first DOJ leader balancing the prosecution of a former president with the department’s longstanding mission to protect the presidency itself. DOJ has often taken absolutist positions against efforts to sue current and former presidents for their actions on the job — but never before have they been prosecuting one of those ex-presidents at the same time.

“The Justice Department has the Herculean task of trying to put an ethical rope through a needle,” said Gene Rossi, a former federal prosecutor and civil litigator. “At best, there is an apparent conflict for DOJ, which has to rightly defend constitutional principles to protect the former president and the office he once held, while striving mightily to prosecute him for alleged crimes. This balancing act is legal schizophrenia.”

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From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 23 - 10:47 AM

Trump won't have FOX for support. Neither will De Santis.
A guy named J D Vance will. BTW Fox is sued again over defaming Jeff Epps as an agent provocateur. This was such a pain in the ass for Murdoch that he got an ass-hole transplant but the transplant rejected Rupert.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jul 23 - 10:45 PM

Taking a detour back to the civil cases brought by E. Jean Carroll, Trump loses immunity shield in E Jean Carroll defamation lawsuit, he lost in the first case, and in the second, where he was "immune" by virtue of being president, he no longer has that protection.

The department previously maintained Mr Trump was legally immune as he was president when he made remarks in 2019.

But on Tuesday its lawyers said they no longer had "sufficient basis" to conclude Mr Trump had acted within the scope of his duties.

The decision boosts E Jean Carroll's defamation lawsuit against Mr Trump.

In May, Mr Trump was ordered to pay the former magazine columnist $5m (£3.9m) after being found liable for sexual abuse of her in 1996 at a New York department store.

Ms Carroll, 79, is currently seeking $10m from Mr Trump in a defamation lawsuit, which is due to go to trial in January.

The legal action cites his remarks as president about her in 2019 while responding to reporters' questions.

The lawsuit has been updated to reflect further comments he made about her during a CNN town hall the day after the court's verdict two months ago.

The justice department had previously taken the position that Mr Trump could be defended by government attorneys because he was serving in his capacity as president when he made the remarks.

But on Tuesday its lawyers said "there is no longer a sufficient basis to conclude that the former president was motivated by 'more than an insignificant' desire to serve the United States Government."

There is more at the link. He is, as AG Barr said recently, in a different context, "toast." Again.

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From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jul 23 - 07:16 AM

???? ????????? ???????????????? ?????????, (CCCP)
The Criminally Corrupt Crony Party is attacking the law itself along with the arms of the law because they have no defense under the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 11:33 PM

The Fulton County District Attorney has her ducks lined up.

Grand jurors who will consider Trump charges to be selected Tuesday

The selection of two Fulton County grand juries will be made Tuesday, with one of the panels expected to decide whether to hand up an indictment for alleged criminal interference in the 2020 presidential election.

One set of jurors is likely to be asked to bring formal charges against former President Donald Trump and other well-known political and legal figures. In a letter to county officials almost two months ago, District Attorney Fani Willis indicated the indictment could be obtained at some point between July 31 and Aug. 18.

Willis began her investigation shortly after hearing the leaked Jan. 2, 2021, phone call in which Trump asked Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” the 11,780 votes he needed to defeat Joe Biden in Georgia. She later convened a special purpose grand jury which examined evidence and heard testimony over an almost eight-month period. Its final report, only part of which has been made public, recommended multiple people be indicted for alleged crimes.

Trump is busy trying to delay the hearing for Nauta (his attorneys are involved in all of this, despite Nauta having his own attorneys, so there is some kind of linkage there). Every delay they manage pushes a trial closer to the primary season. Let's see if Willis can trip him up.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 07:32 PM

I get your point, Stilly, but I would argue that being 'literally' blown away mentally or emotionally is a more acceptable use, if only because it is not tangible.

Now back to tRump, who literally has no concept of niceties.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 07:27 PM

INFORMAL
used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true.
"I was literally blown away by the response I got"

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From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 06:48 PM

The man who can't outrump Trump has squeezed the last drop of bigot juice from the bigot fruit and is still 20 points behind.

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From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 06:37 AM

We are in a time when the leading cause of death of American children is guns.
In ancient Rome when the leading cause of death for their children was the sword, the barbarians had breached the gates and the empire of Rome had fallen.
OMG I'm sounding like Senator Byrd

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 06:21 AM

We've lost that fight, Ebbie. The loose adoption of "literally" is now so widespread that it's literally become standard English. I absolutely agree with your sentiment regarding Trump, and there's the matter of his needing to face justice. I wonder whether your legal system is up to the job.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 04:08 AM

For the record I vehemently do not wish the tRump to die- that would be the perfect formula for his deification for years to come, not to mention accusations of murder. What I do want is for him to be humiliated, to find himself so far down the polls that he becomes a laughing stock so clearly that not even he can ignore or deny it.

By the way, Stilly River, one of my pet peeves is the misuse of 'literally'. :^)

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Jul 23 - 03:34 AM

The expression "sucks all the oxygen out of the room" has gained currency for us right-pondians. The entire body politic has gone anoxic for you as for us, and stinks like an old-fashioned gas works. Socrates was right.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 05:35 PM

Whatevs!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 05:29 PM

He'd have started by getting cross with you for misquoting his saying. It's "hoist WITH his own petard." Of course, down the centuries the degraded "by" version has been assimilated into standard English, but I still think he'd be annoyed, being the perfectionist he was. One other thing: if we wish to emasculate Trump once and for all, and who doesn't, we either do it via the justice system or via the ballot box. Wishing ill-health on him is just pie in the sky, and not very grown-up to boot.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 05:01 PM

Hoist by his own petard is still the best solution, I think.

As Donuel said, "no number of autopsies will satisfy the Trump supporter", so a self-inflicted health issue which creates a situation where Trump can no longer run for office would solve the problem. Anything which stops him from talking or communicating would be fantastic, in my opinion. A primary criterion for a President is that s/he needs to have an active brain and the capacity to communicate.

Unfortunately, I think there are plenty of people waiting in the wings to take up the mantle if Trump is incapacitated, and I also think that the extreme views would only get more extreme, especially when rival factions break off and start new campaigns.

I wonder what William Shakespeare would have created from all of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 01:35 PM

I've just listened to Open Book on BBC Radio 4, which featured the American writer Richard Ford. He described Trump as a madman, and a bad madman, and as an aberration as a leader - but not an aberration as an American citizen, as demonstrated by his huge support base. His followers would like to tear down your government institutions, to replace them with "they know not what" (not quite verbatim quotes there, but as near as I recall). And that's the issue. He's a fairly "typical" American citizen, he identifies so well with the millions as such, which is why he's still so bloody popular. And that's your problem. He's so well embedded. And that's what you have to confront. We've extirpated Johnson, but eroding his lingering popular base is not so easy. We have a long way to go with him, and you have even further to go with Trump. At least we can say with reasonable confidence that Johnson will not be our next leader.

As for the wrong news programmes, etc., I never access any media owned by Murdoch and I do not read the Daily Mail or any of the other gutter tabloids. Over the years here on Mudcat I've said several times that I access as many sources as possible from the ones I regard as reputable (nothing's and no-one's perfect) and I've railed many times against selective reporting, even by the Guardian and the BBC. My antennae are permanently a-twitch in order that I resist confirmation bias as much as possible. Cheers.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 01:08 PM

You've been listening to the wrong news programs, the ones that try to intentionally make Biden look feeble. That is a popular thing over here, the selective editing, the looping of small moves. That is Rupert Murdoch's touch on display.

MEANWHILE, Joe Manchin, the man who dragged so many Democratic plans to a halt when Biden had the House and the Senate, is considering a third party run for the presidency. Because of course he could again be a spoiler. (Manchin and Sinema between them did so much damage while trying to protect their billionaire donors - Sinema became an Independent so she won't be knocked out of the next race in the primary.)

Dems’ mission to stop a third-party presidential bid hits the Hill
Officials from progressive MoveOn and centrist Third Way are planning to brief Senate Democratic chiefs of staff about the risk it could pose to President Joe Biden.

Manchin couldn't care less about the disaster of Trump in office again, apparently. The role of Spoiler is a particularly self-serving one. Ralph Nader did it to Al Gore in the Bush V. Gore election. "No Labels" is an organization that purports to run the best candidate for the position without the stigma of party, but the fact that there are anonymous huge donors behind the new group rings about as true as the Federalist Society putting forward candidates for the Supreme Court simply because they would be good at their jobs.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 11:51 AM

Yebbut the stubborn fact is that Trump still commands the support of 70+ million emptyheads. Don't get me wrong here: I like Biden. But his legs look bandy, his speech is hesitant and he falls over. All very exploitable by a nasty adversary. You should be worrying. I am.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 10:49 AM

What Trump looks is a vain man who is covered with orange spray-on foundation makeup, dyed hair, probably hair plugs or extensions, lots of hairspray to carefully hold the hair to hide his bald spot, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wears Spandex to try to contain the gut. He golfs, and drives between the holes.

Biden rides his stationary bike daily and rides real bikes when he gets a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 10:10 AM

Typically idiotic, of course. However. The thing about Biden is that he is old and looks old. Positively rickety. Trump, in spite of his ugly persona, looks far more lively. That does not bode well for a Biden victory.

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From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 09:50 AM

The inevitability of death is part of life and should carry no knee-jerk stigma. Afterall whenever someone brings up Biden's age they are really talking about death. For someone 4 years his junior the reaper is close behind. No number of autopsies will satisfy the Trump supporter. The rest of us understand the facts of life.
Describing facts to a Trumper is like asking Steve to not be negative.
They just double down.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 09:15 AM

There is no preaching. One or two people are expressing a difference in perspective. We can all agree about how horrible the man is. One more thing: should he die quickly, he will escape a good deal of the scrutiny that your justice system should otherwise be subjecting him to. If ever a man should live to feel the full force of justice, it's him. If your country can't manage that, you seriously need to ask why not. I've been scratching my head here for a couple of years about that. After what happened at the Capitol two and a half whole years ago, it's scarcely credible that he's potentially in line for the presidency again. And just think about the dreadful people in history who have cheated their victims by dying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 08:57 AM

Sorry guys, there are few people who have earned such animus, but Trump is one of them. With his personal greed a single four-year term has come perilously close to turning our Democracy into an Autocracy; out of nearly 250 years this enterprise can barely survive four of Trump. He will die as a result of his own choices and that is as far as it goes - there is no prescription for anyone else hastening the event, a distinction I make. Now you can stop preaching to me about what I feel and how I should think and move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 07:41 AM

Absolutely agree, Jon. It's human to have very negative thoughts of the kind expressed here and then try quietly to row back on oneself. To express those wishes aloud is not appropriate. What we need is for Trump to be completely out of the way politically forever and to face justice as appropriate. Other notions reek of vengeance and are a waste of energy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 07:31 AM

"No one expressed hate."

"I despise the man, and don't have altruistic wishes for his departure. I hope it hurts."

OK, let's talk synonyms. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Jul 23 - 06:41 AM

I'm afraid people like Trump can bring out the worst in us. I do think he is an unpleasant character and unfit for office but I do not believe in wishing ill on others or celebrating another persons demise. It's something I will admit I have to pull myself up on at times, ie. have the bad thought and then tell myself that I should not be thinking that way.

I don't know what the answer to Trump is. I can wish that more people would see him the way I do but Trump seems to have the ability to retain support and I fear has the ability to bounce back from situations where one might think he should be finished politically.