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From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 08:21 AM

"Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism."

No he did not. Only 61.4% of people who could vote did so.

Trump received 45.9% of those people, in reality receiving the vote of about 30% of the whole voting population.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 02:37 PM

Spoken like a professional statistician.

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From: Helen
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 03:30 PM

Perhaps Donuel meant to say, "Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the REPUBLICAN people to his version of populism."

Statistically it is still not correct but Donuel, generally I view your broad brush comments as thought provoking.

And don't forget that the TV persona of Trump has a very high influence. The disconnect between what is loosely referred to as "reality TV" and reality itself is difficult for some viewers to see. A TV star or Hollywood star projects an aura of being in control of dramatic situations and some voters project that carefully crafted and directed vision onto political reality.

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From: Lighter
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 03:39 PM

And if 30% of all eligible voters in the right states vote for Trump, and 29% vote for Biden, Trump wins.

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From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 07:03 PM

Democrat Cornel West has announced his Green Party candidacy for President.
He is for truth and justice for the middle class and poor.
While no third-party candidate has received an electoral vote, he can introduce new ideas. If he had not run I would have hoped Michael Dyson would have.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 02:37 AM

Another Trump aide convicted

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From: Donuel
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 07:51 AM

Trump loyalist Navarro did not even put on a defense or call a single witness. It took the jury 2 hours to convict.
His fate is a lesson to others to show up when subpoenaed,

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 09:35 AM

Now they need to go after Jim Jordan who did the EXACT SAME THING as Peter Navarro.

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From: Helen
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 04:33 PM

Donald Trump hosts $US100,000 a head fundraiser to help Rudy Giuliani pay legal bills

* "Mr Giuliani is facing a barrage of legal fees, fines, sanctions and damages related to helping Mr Trump with his cases
* "He faces a total of 13 charges, including the violation of Georgia's anti-racketeering law
* "His son Andrew told local radio the event was expected to make $US1 million"

See, he does care about the people around him. Or is he just helping his own cause as usual?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 12:52 PM

Fulton County judge rules DA can't try all 19 defendants together in Trump RICO case

Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee ruled Thursday in favor of severing the trials for 17 of the defendants, including former President Donald Trump, from that of two of the defendants in the election interference case.

The trial for the two defendants, lawyers Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, is scheduled to begin Oct. 23. McAfee denied their request to have trials separate from each other. McAfee said his decision "is simply a procedural and logistical inevitability."

"Beginning with the logistical concerns, the Fulton County Courthouse simply contains no courtroom adequately large enough to hold all 19 defendants, their multiple attorneys and support staff, the sheriff's deputies, court personnel, and the State's prosecutorial team," McAfee said in the ruling. "Relocating to another larger venue raises security concerns that cannot be rapidly addressed."

And on another front, the federal judge in the documents case restricted Trump's access to the documents in question. He isn't allowed to take them back to Mar a lago to peruse them at his leisure. But it took her an entire month to come up with a ruling that would normally have been rendered in a single day. She's slow-walking this for Trump.

A lot of recent content and the attendant bickering was removed. Stick to talking about the cases.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM

Delay, delay, delay - that is the game plan for the Trump defenders on all fronts. A hearing on Sept. 14 resulted in a possible delay because Trump is suing the judge in the New York civil fraud case that is scheduled to start in early October this year.

Trump New York fraud case could be delayed after ex-president sues judge

Trump has repeatedly sought to delay or throw out the case, and has repeatedly been rejected. But this time, the Daily Beast said, an appeals judge, David Friedman, “grant[ed] the former president’s request in a surprise hearing on Thursday that was closed off to the public”.

Trump lawyers said Engoron defied an appellate order to work out which real-estate deals in the case are in fact too old to be examined for bank and insurance fraud. Engoron, the Daily Beast said, is due to make the decision soon.

Trump lawyers also protested against a recent order in which Engoron rejected an attempt to delay the case, writing curtly: “Decline to sign; defendants’ arguments are completely without merit.”

Following Friedman’s move to pause the case, a full appeals panel was due to consider the question, potentially altering the case or delaying it altogether. A spokesperson for the state court system told the Times the appeals panel would rule in the week beginning 25 September.

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From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 05:49 PM

Jack Smith has requested that the
Judge limit Trump's speech. Perhaps next month she will have a hearing to ask/tell Donald to not intimidate, threaten, and defame people involved in his case. The words gag order might be tossed around but a true gag order involves a real gag.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 06:28 PM

Special counsel asks for 'narrow' gag order for Trump in election interference case
Jack Smith's office says Trump's "disparaging and inflammatory attacks" have spurred threats against witnesses and threaten the court process.

"Like his previous public disinformation campaign regarding the 2020 presidential election, the defendant’s recent extrajudicial statements are intended to undermine public confidence in an institution—the judicial system—and to undermine confidence in and intimidate individuals—the Court, the jury pool, witnesses, and prosecutors," they wrote.

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From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM

Ya gotta hand it to Trump, he sure is ambitious. Not only does he have all Seven Deadly Sins, but he also has a few unique ones of his own creation.

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From: Helen
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 07:28 PM

I have seen two news commentaries about the difficult situation in which Kevin McCarthy has found himself regarding the announced impeachment against President Biden. One was on Deutsche Welle news on Oz TV, and one was on an Oz show called Planet America.

Both commentaries imply that McCarthy is caught between a rock and a hard place, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't announce the impeachment. One of the comments on Planet America was that because the impeachment was not put to a vote, it may not be valid, but that McCarthy may not have been confident of sufficient numbers to pass the motion.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:19 PM

It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry. The research that happens first to see if there is a case for impeachment - big difference.

There are some far right wingnuts who make a lot of threats but don't follow through as far as the Speaker of the House position.

I'm hoping the Washington, D.C. case is pushed sooner on the calendar to keep Trump from having more time to intimidate everyone he hates. It is an option open to Judge Chutkan that would limit the damage, but she also needs to muzzle him somehow. I think the threat of jail would overburden the Secret Service, but he has it coming.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 10:01 PM

> It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry.

Thanks for noting the distinction, SRS: that had escaped our notice here. But it does mean the I word gets put in a headline, so the offender's fanbase salivates on queue.

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From: Helen
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 11:12 PM

Yes, thanks for clarifying that SRS. It's a bit confusing for an Aussie.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 01:19 PM

By the Constitution, the House of Representatives has “the sole power of impeachment,” and the Senate “the sole power to try all impeachments.” When the President of the United States is tried on impeachment, the Chief Justice is to preside. The concurrence of two thirds of the Senate members present is necessary to convict. “The President, Vice-President, and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” But judgment cannot “extend further than to removal and disqualification to hold and enjoy and office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.” Thus it is obvious that the founders of the government meant to secure it effectually against all official corruption and wrong, by providing for process to be initiated at the will of the popular branch, and furnishing an easy, safe, and sure method for the removal of all unworthy and unfaithful servants.

The fly in the ointment is that an inquiry has always led to a 'partial' impeachment except for Nixon who resigned first. Also there is disagreement on what constitutes treason, high crimes and misdemeanors. It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment. Technically the House could lie about the crime and evidence for an impeachment vote. The Senate however would then acquit. https://time.com/6313452/impeachment-experts-biden-inquiry-weakest-us-history/

Impeachment is not as clear-cut as we think even if we like things to be neat and orderly. The House could say "Evidence, we don't need no stinking evidence. We just KNOW". I bring these possibilities up because we are living in strange times.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 01:29 PM

"It is entirely up to the House to say what crime is committed AND that an inquiry is not required for impeachment."
To be precise...
It is the House Committee in charge of impeachment that decides, not the entire House.

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From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 23 - 07:00 PM

Speaker McCarthy is making Trump happy. Behind McCarthy's sad eyes, I don't think he is very committed to the Kabuki impeachment.

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From: Donuel
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 08:55 AM

Trump said, "if you take a look at Obama and look at some of the things he's done its the same thing and the country's very divided and we did it with Obama and we won an election that everyone said it couldn't be won..."

I think he is confusing Obama with Hillary Biden?
Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 11:57 AM

> Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama.

Given that [according to legend] he stood the first time because Obama teased him in public ....

.... then again, that statement may just be a side-effect of them-and-us-itis.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 12:25 PM

The US House of Representatives lost a member last week when Christ Stewart of Utah resigned due to his wife's health (a stroke).

Stewart’s departure sets off a race to replace him on the Appropriations Committee, right as lawmakers feud over stopgap plans to fund the government before the month is out.

With his name already gone from his office door, Stewart left the Capitol on Thursday before the final votes of the day. In an interview with Roll Call on his way out of town, he shared his next moves (including buying some cows) and recalled his “somber” mood in 2013 during the first shutdown of his career. “We did what we thought was right at the time, and it didn’t work,” Stewart said.

A special Republican primary to fill his seat was held in the Beehive State last week, where his former aide, Celeste Maloy, clinched the nomination and is heavily favored to win on Nov. 21.

His replacement won't be there until after the November special election, so the House has only a four member GOP margin.

Trump will no doubt be dabbling in that kind of race, still trying to line up ducks to support him. As Rachel Maddow says, "#WatchThisSpace

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From: Helen
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 01:12 PM

Regarding Trump's recent confusion, I'm wondering whether the strain of having to think before he speaks due to legal constraints is starting to make his brain boil over. All that stress of holding in what he really wants to say must be taking a toll on his health. For him, NOT saying something and evaluating every word he does say is not a normal state of affairs.

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From: Donuel
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 10:27 AM

A Trumpist can relate to a fuck up or a bad choice addict like Trump. They sympathize because a bit of them is like Donald. Sometimes they screw up through no fault of their own. In their eyes, Trump can do no wrong because of his trappings of wealth or white supremacy.

Other people of some accomplishment can do wrong by just speaking.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 11:06 AM

Case it point, how quickly, during the #MeToo era, Kirsten Gillibrand insisted Al Franken resign from the senate, and to avoid a fuss, Al did. But his faux pas were of enthusiastic hugs or getting too close in personal space, and when he was told to stop it, he did. We lost a really good one there. Thanks, Kirsten, for watching out for the party. Not. I always thought he should have stayed. She's much less effective or helpful.

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From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 23 - 09:16 AM

EX GENERAL FLYNN IS THRILLED https://www.cnet.com/news/misinformation/qanon-explained-q-returns-after-18-months-of-silence/

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Sep 23 - 11:32 AM

Sounds like someone just got out of jail. That might make it easier to figure out who Q is.

The Trump support tag team (aka the "Freedom Caucus" in the US House of Representatives) are having a go at Merrick Garland this morning in a sham hearing. They should have a stack of individual pack Wet Ones hand wipes at the table - people will feel like they need to clean up after being addressed by the likes of Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan.

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 08:22 AM

Three sources have told Rolling Stone that Trump has asked his lawyers about possible prison time.
He wondered; if a bad prison or a Club Fed prison is possible, Would I have to wear an orange jumpsuit, Could I stay at home, Would the Secret Service be involved, what if I won while in jail?
He is fretting about it despite his public remarks.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 12:58 PM

With democracy on the ballot, the mainstream press must change its ways
US news organizations have turned Biden’s age into a scandal and continue to cover Trump as an entertaining side show

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 23 - 09:46 PM

'Set the stage for a demagogue': Presidential historian explains rise of Trump

Former President Donald Trump's uniquely successful rise to power over the Republican Party, and his durable support even in the face of criminal indictments, is a product of unique changes to the cultural and media landscape that have only recently become possible.

That's the view of presidential historian Michael Beschloss, who joined MSNBC's Ari Melber to explain his thinking.

"I'm curious what you think we can make of the history as it unfolds," said Melber. "And what in our past shows us guidance for things that were unprecedented and then have a precedent, like holding these government officials, who are presumed innocent, accountable? Putting them on trial for coup attempts?"

Instead of the media per se, Beschloss credits the rise of the Internet in the mid-1990s, and the beginning of "Fox News" (that isn't really a news site, it presents current events as entertainment).

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Sep 23 - 07:18 PM

It's one thing to make a point on a related topic and move on, it's another to take that subject and drag the entire thread down an unrelated path. Detritus removed.

I scrolled down the US tab in Google News this evening and it wasn't until the 21st grouped box that a Trump story appeared, and this time it's about Cassidy Hutchinson with Trump stories to tell. He's like a toddler who has been quiet for a while - it makes me think he's up to no-good. He's in the news so much, to the point that when he isn't in the news it seems to be when he finds a way to bring attention back to himself, and in his world, any attention is good attention.

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From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 23 - 09:57 AM

Whats going on?

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 23 - 10:09 AM

On which front? In the New York fraud case:

Engoron told the courtroom that he intends to issue a single ruling by Tuesday that would decide the three major issues at question, including the government motion for partial summary judgment -- which could allow Engoron to decide a portion of or the entire case without a trial -- and New York Attorney General Letitia James' request to impose legal sanctions on the defendants.

His ruling could define the scope of the $250 million civil trial scheduled to begin in downtown Manhattan on October 2, including if and how the trial proceeds, according to Engoron.

Meanwhile, Jack Smith has brought in a trusted deputy from the Hague to work on the January 6 case.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Sep 23 - 09:10 AM

Meanwhile, here's some context for Trump's actions (from the Washington Post, which I can't access, via RISKS Digest, which I can), which explains the fœtid waters he swims in:

Misinformation research is buckling under GOP legal attacks (WashPost)

Academics, universities and government agencies are overhauling or
ending research programs designed to counter the spread of online
misinformation amid a legal campaign from conservative politicians and
activists who accuse them of colluding with tech companies to censor
right-wing views.

The escalating campaign --- led by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and other
Republicans in Congress and state government --- has cast a pall over
programs that study not just political falsehoods but also the quality
of medical information online.

Facing litigation, Stanford University officials are discussing how
they can continue tracking election-related misinformation through the
Election Integrity Partnership (EIP), a prominent consortium that
flagged social media conspiracies about voting in 2020 and 2022,
several participants told The Washington Post. The coalition of
disinformation researchers may shrink and also may stop communicating
with X and Facebook about their findings.

The National Institutes of Health froze a $150 million program intended
to advance the communication of medical information, citing regulatory
and legal threats. Physicians told The Post that they had planned to
use the grants to fund projects on noncontroversial topics such as
nutritional guidelines and not just politically charged issues such as
vaccinations that have been the focus of the conservative allegations.

NIH officials sent a memo in July to some employees, warning them not
to flag misleading social media posts to tech companies and to limit
their communication with the public to answering medical questions.

Personal opinion: This is the hidden face of Cancel Culture. Welcome to Room 101.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM

The GOP attention has been laser-focused on Hunter Biden, as they try to suggest that someone who never had a job in the Biden administration is the same as Trump (or Trump's son-in-law Kushner, who took billions from the Saudi's the moment Trump was out of the White House). What Menendez has allegedly done is a problem, and you'd think they would grasp that, but he isn't in the Biden family or with the name, so they don't seem to care. And if Menendez did step down, the New Jersey governor could appoint someone to replace him. Since Murphy is Democrat, the balance remains in the Senate.

Cassidy Hutchinson's book comes out Tuesday, and she's on Rachel Maddow's show tonight. What do you want to bet Trump won't resist tweeting or posting to Truth Social when her stories are in print for all to see (or during or after her interview airs).

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From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 05:18 PM

Just out:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-rules-donald-trump-defrauded-202326707.html

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From: Helen
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 05:44 PM

You beat me to it, Lighter. I was just about to add a link to a news article in Oz.

Judge rules former US president Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers as he built his real estate empire

"Former US president Donald Trump and his family business have been found liable for fraud in a New York court

"The civil case was brought Attorney General Letitia James', accusing Mr Trump of illegally inflating his assets and net worth

"Ms James accused him of lying for a decade about asset values and his net worth to get better terms on bank loans and insurance"

One thing I don't understand is what the judge's ruling means if a "trial is scheduled for October 2, and could last well into December".

The judge has made a ruling but there will still be a trial?

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From: Lighter
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 06:00 PM

Helen, there are five more charges outstanding.

Moreover, the jury will also have to determine the amount, if any, of the fine.

Meanwhile, the judge's order to dissolve the Trump Organization and tokeep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state is nothing to be sneezed at.

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From: Helen
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 06:38 PM

Ah, thanks Lighter. I get it now.

And to "dissolve the Trump Organization and to keep Trump and his sons from running any other corporations in the state" - I'd like to see that. Hit them in the hip pocket nerve, where it hurts the most!

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 08:42 PM

I just read the New York Times article about it - Ms. James' goal is to stop Trump from operating those businesses and getting loans, etc. And the trial starts next week.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 23 - 12:07 PM

From CNN:

A New York judge found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification, a shocking ruling that poses an existential threat to the former president’s financial empire as he runs for a second term in the White House.

Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling on Monday is a complete rejection of Trump’s arguments that he didn’t inflate the values of his golf courses, hotels, homes at Mar-a-Lago and Seven Springs on financial statements.

“In defendants’ world: rent-regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air; a disclaimer by one party casting responsibility on another party exonerates the other party’s lies,” the judge wrote.

“That is a fantasy world, not the real world,” Engoron said.

The ruling came in response to the lawsuit by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is seeking $250 million in damages, a ban on the Trumps from serving as officers of a business in New York and to stop the company from engaging in business transactions for five years.

The rest is here.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 23 - 01:07 PM

It appears that Trump supporter Mike Lindell is having his own financial problems continue. Now American Express has slashed his credit line.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy better target.

"Steve, we really need everybody's help right now. We have things going on I'm going to let you all know this week," Lindell told fellow Trump ally Steve Bannon on the latter's "War Room" podcast on Monday.

Lindell said on the podcast that a sudden reduction in MyPillow's credit line with American Express was seriously affecting the company. Lindell told Bannon that MyPillow had been using American Express's services for the past 15 years.

"Out of the blue, they took our credit line from a million dollars down to $100,000," Lindell said. "Just cripples MyPillow. No reason, no explanation, just dropped it down last Tuesday."

A spokesperson for American Express told Newsweek in a story published on Tuesday that they weren't able to address Lindell's claims directly.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 01:00 PM

Even absent last night at the second GOP staged brawl, Trump was the Elephant in the Room. He's the Man who came to dinner, we can't get rid of him. Chris Christie needs to figure out that less is more. He was on a roll until he added that they'll now call him Donald Duck.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 02:16 PM

Trump and his adult children expected to be called to testify in New York fraud trial

Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump are among the 28 names on James’ list of witnesses to be called in the case. Trump’s sons, who are also defendants in the case, have run the company since Trump was elected president in 2016.

Also on James’ list are Michael Cohen, Trump’s former fixer and personal lawyer, and Allen Weisselberg, the former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization.

Defense lawyers in the case submitted their own list of 128 witnesses, which also includes Trump and his two oldest sons.

The two lists were filed Wednesday to Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron.

A day earlier, Engoron ruled that Trump, his sons and the company were liable for fraud in how they valued numerous real estate properties and other assets.

That searing ruling also stripped the defendants and the Trump Organization of their business certificates, and sanctioned multiple defense attorneys for repeatedly making frivolous arguments.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 02:23 PM

Meanwhile, the Trump toadies in the House of Representatives are desperate to try to do to Biden what the Senate did to Trump. What they want to do hasn't been authorised, so this is a sham hearing.

AOC AND JAMIE RASKIN SHATTER GOP’S FAKE BIDEN IMPEACHMENT HEARING

Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, Comer admitted that the hearing that the committee is holding isn’t an impeachment hearing, because the House hasn’t authorized an impeachment investigation. The hearing that Comer and Jordan are holding isn’t a real impeachment investigation hearing. Rep. Adam Schiff held authorized impeachment investigative hearings for Trump’s first impeachment because the House authorized the investigation.

There has been no constitutional authorization for the Biden investigation. It is nothing more than Republicans pretending to hold impeachment hearings because Kevin McCarthy said so.

The hearing is fake, and until there is full House authorization, they have no authority or power to do anything impeachment-related.

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From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 10:33 PM

There has been no constitutional authorization for the Biden investigation. It is nothing more than Republicans pretending to hold impeachment hearings because Kevin McCarthy said so.

That methinks is of a piece with the entire Trump charade: all smoke, mirrors and Cable TV newsbites.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 11:55 PM

On Monday the other shoe drops in Manhattan. His appeal didn't work and the trial begins. Pass the popcorn.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 11:10 AM

Trump World won't have a reason to chime in (but who knows - it could happen) regarding the death of Dianne Feinstein. California Gov. Newsom will appoint a black woman to fill out the rest of her term. This will give everyone a short course on how to replace a Democratic senator in a Democratic state with a Democratic governor. Next - will Menendez step down and let Democratic governor Philip Murphy appoint a replacement to fill the rest of his term? She stayed too long and the last term was fraught due to absences and illness, and people were pressuring her to leave. So she did. Unlike the GOP supporting it's criminal class, the Democratic party is shifting itself to put pressure on Menendez to leave, who is much less likely to die in office.

In the meantime, Trump should stop flying around to events, should sell the jet, should hunker down at his home in Florida and be glad that state is one that is very liberal (!) when it comes to being able to keep your home if you go bankrupt. He and his sons are on the brink of losing their business license in the State of New York, where many of his holdings are in place. Apparently Ivanka had her own court case last year about her standing and is the only member of the family still able to have businesses there. Does she become the sudden heir of the whole thing, or will it be liquidated by the state? She seems to have fallen from grace in the family, but perhaps that will shift.