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BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)

Steve Shaw 25 Aug 23 - 06:10 PM
Donuel 25 Aug 23 - 06:34 PM
Stilly River Sage 25 Aug 23 - 09:55 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Aug 23 - 04:15 AM
MaJoC the Filk 26 Aug 23 - 06:53 AM
Stilly River Sage 26 Aug 23 - 09:59 AM
Donuel 26 Aug 23 - 11:10 AM
Donuel 26 Aug 23 - 01:04 PM
Steve Shaw 26 Aug 23 - 07:27 PM
Stilly River Sage 26 Aug 23 - 09:26 PM
MaJoC the Filk 26 Aug 23 - 10:18 PM
MaJoC the Filk 26 Aug 23 - 10:33 PM
Helen 26 Aug 23 - 11:18 PM
Stilly River Sage 27 Aug 23 - 09:47 AM
Helen 27 Aug 23 - 03:09 PM
Donuel 27 Aug 23 - 06:22 PM
MaJoC the Filk 28 Aug 23 - 08:35 AM
Stilly River Sage 28 Aug 23 - 11:36 PM
Dave the Gnome 29 Aug 23 - 04:12 AM
Stilly River Sage 29 Aug 23 - 09:49 AM
Donuel 30 Aug 23 - 06:06 AM
Backwoodsman 30 Aug 23 - 07:41 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 23 - 06:10 PM

Sorry, but he knows exactly what he's doing. Be very afraid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 23 - 06:34 PM

When you lie and steal for a lifetime you too would think it is entirely unfair to suddenly be told "No you may not lie and steal any longer and you will be punished for doing what you have always done". He may be clever at lying and stealing but he is ill-equipped to truly see who he is.

In a way, he does not understand what he has done. He thinks in terms of his normal operating procedures. Pathological narcissism presents some unique abnormalities. Fortunatly...
Ignorance is no defense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Aug 23 - 09:55 PM

One of those indicted is still in jail and another is complaining that she can't afford representation. On MSNBC this evening that talked about those being low-hanging fruit as far as making a deal to make some of their problems go away. That Trump would do well to see that all of them have lawyers so they don't turn against him. But he's too cheap, he will cut off his own nose to spite his face regarding the fees.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 04:15 AM

He's the arch-populist and he does know exactly what he's doing. Why do you think his standing improves with every move he makes? But it's a long run-in to the next election and I suspect that his current extremely high profile will turn into a pall of negativity over time that will wear the electorate down. We can but hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 06:53 AM

In advertising, there's no such thing as negative publicity. Far too many years ago, I heard it said that an advertiser doesn't care whether you love the product or hate the product: what he's really afraid of is the possibility that you've never heard of the product.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 09:59 AM

Trump no longer lives a charmed life as his bad acts are catching up. He's hemorrhaging cash. It won't be pretty and it may not be entirely satisfactory for his enemies, but he's going down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 11:10 AM

Trump thirsts for racist revenge, personal revenge, and financial revenge. Its his SOP. We all know some vengeful maniacs like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 01:04 PM

Sports betting is taking bets on Trump's trial outcomes
https://sportsbetting.legal/news/what-are-donald-trumps-odds-of-serving-jail-time-before-2026/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 07:27 PM

Going back to the substantive, here's a Brit view of recent Republican shenanigans from the Guardian:

Donald Trump stayed away from Wednesday’s Republican candidates’ debate in Milwaukee. Yet he remained the evening’s dominant presence. The former president’s poll lead among Republican supporters for the 2024 US presidential contest is so strong that he could afford to do this. His absence deliberately belittled both the televised event, as he simultaneously gave an imperiously misleading social media interview to Tucker Carlson, and his eight challengers, who were left vying to impress in a fantasy “What if?” contest over the choice for a party not in fact dominated by Mr Trump.

Absence also allowed Mr Trump, on the eve of his latest court appearance in Atlanta and now facing 91 felony counts in four separate criminal cases, to avoid offering himself as a target to his eight rivals. Not that he need have worried about that. Most of them went out of their way all evening to pay him repeated homage. No one did this more shamelessly than the Ohio entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, who told the audience both that Mr Trump was the best Republican president of the 21st century and that, if elected, Mr Ramaswamy would instantly pardon him for whatever he may have been convicted of in the meantime.

By identifying deliberately with Mr Trump’s outsider status, Mr Ramaswamy did two things. He made a bid to be Mr Trump’s running-mate next year and he also separated himself from the platform’s professional politicians. These seven all see themselves, with varying degrees of credibility, as the alternative candidate to Mr Trump. Their shared problem is that the party shows little sign of being interested in such a person. Certainly not in the former vice-president Mike Pence, whose certification of Joe Biden’s victory in January 2021 was supported by most of his fellow candidates but remains heretical to Trump supporters. And probably not in the Florida governor Ron DeSantis either, who entered the debate as the nominal chief rival to Mr Trump but who once again did relatively little to cement that claim.


Maybe you yanks don't see it in quite the same way, or maybe (as has been expressed here more than once) you think that we Brits don't get it because we don't live over there (and presumably don't get our info from Fox News). Thing is, we see Trump as a world issue, not just a US domestic issue, and we're worried.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 09:26 PM

The GOP candidates are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant.

The issues that will get people to the polls don't have to do with Trump; it has to do with the Supreme Court. You need to go to a more granular level. The state issues to do with access to abortion and birth control and LGBTQ-rights are where pissed off American women and families and their allies are making the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 10:18 PM

> As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant.

*Agree*, Stilly: the Eight Dwarves are not so much leading as following from the front. But they (and Trump, for that matter) have a tiger-by-the-tail problem: once you're at the head of a zombie army, it's unwise to stumble.

Hm: four metaphors in one paragraph. Is this a record?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 10:33 PM

> If it is Trump, he doesn't ever know he has done wrong

He doesn't ever *admit* he's done wrong, Helen. I'm no shrink, but methinks that smacked-bottom face is his subconscious trying to get through to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 11:18 PM

Maybe MaJoC, or maybe it is all that volcanic verbal lava trying to bubble up and out of his mouth and he, for once in his life, thinking that maybe it would be a better strategic, self-preservation plan not to let it out.

If I was a betting person, I'd bet that the primal urge to talk will overtake even the urge for self preservation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 23 - 09:47 AM

Confirmation that Prigozhin was killed in that plane explosion last week. Putin is a bad example for Trump; should the orange one end up in office again I fear he wouldn't put any parts of the Putin playbook off limits. Another reason to not even let him run.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 27 Aug 23 - 03:09 PM

SRS, a lot of things surprised me about Trump, but the one thing which surprised me about the whole saga was how Putin was playing him like a violin. Surprising and very scary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 23 - 06:22 PM

I believe Americans AND Europeans are equally educated that a high cultured society like Germany or even the US can go from a reasoned society to one where it is socially acceptable to shoot, hang, and gas women and children to death on a Saturday and go to church Sunday over just 10 short years of cultural change.

Replacement theory does not veil its genocidal final solution.
Participation in such a killing society varies from a simple hatred of certain neighbors to the actual murderers.

The change is done incrementally. I think it is a small step to go from mass shootings to organized mass shootings nationwide. It probably takes someone like Trump to normalize the unthinkable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 08:35 AM

> It probably takes someone like Trump to normalize the unthinkable.

Normalising the unthinkable is the standard MO of antisocial meeja, and TV and newspapers before that, and all for the same reason: outrage drives income. The Orange Buffoon is, after all, at least partly the product of (un)reality TV .... *how* long did he spend in Makeup before that mugshot?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 11:36 PM

Trump's Chief of Staff Meadows spent several hours testifying today, trying to get his trial moved to federal court. His version of things is now etched in stone - under oath, anything he said can and will be used against him.

One of the group has filed to waive the arraignment hearing in Atlanta, filing a "not guilty" plea. I think it may have been discussed on MSNBC, I don't see it in the Google News stories I just pulled up. Trump, other defendants to be arraigned next week in Georgia election interference case. The rest will be arraigned next week on Wednesday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Aug 23 - 04:12 AM

I think I said it further up the thread but can't resist repeating it

Is Wednesday going to be arraigning night in Georgia then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 23 - 09:49 AM

Let's see if that old song slips into the news of the night. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 23 - 06:06 AM

… Hurricane' for my suitcase
Tryin' to find a warm place to spend the night
Heavy rain's fallin'
Seems I hear the news callin' "get out now"
… A rainy night in Georgia
A rainy night in Georgia
Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world
I feel like it's rainin' all over the world
… Neon signs are blacked out
Big waves and storm surge passin' through the night
A distant moanin' of the wind
Seems to play a sad refrain to the night
… But it's a rainy night in Georgia
Such a rainy night in Georgia
Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world
I feel like it's rainin' all over the world
… How many times I wondered
It still comes out the same
No matter how you look at it or think of it
It's life and you just got to play the game
… Find me a place in a box car
So I take my guitar to pass some time
Late at night when it's hard to rest
I hold your picture to my chest and I feel fine, I feel fine
… But it's a rainy night in Georgia
Baby, it's a rainy night in Georgia
Lord, I believe it's rainin' all over the world
Kinda lonely now and it's rainin' all over the world


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Aug 23 - 07:41 AM

Dare I say it? Yeah, course I dare - 1,000! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 23 - 12:15 PM

This thread needs 11,780 more posts which is one more than we need to beat MOM. Fellas give me a break. Just say you recalculated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 23 - 03:01 PM

Old MOAB is way ahead, but you can only see it piecemeal when you do a search on a person and see any of their posts to open individually.

Trump seems to have been knocked off of the front page by Idalia. And another blip on the political news radar is that CNN has a new leader after the pro-Trump Chris Licht was fired in June. Licht alienated and fired a lot of people before he was done, but now hopefully CNN can do more real news again. David Zaslav Says Mark Thompson Will Bring “Transformational Leadership” to CNN. Not like Trump ever liked CNN, but a network going from relatively neutral into the Trump Swamp was problematic. FAUX News is bad enough, along with a couple of the lesser stars (New Max, OAN) in the conservative news constellation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 23 - 05:53 PM

I just imagined that all the runner up, wanna bes for the nomination are just the Son of Godzilla. Then Trump starts considering Trump Jr. for Vice President. The double Trump ticket is a hit.

Oh well, The Bushs did a slower version.


Guilliani is liable for defaming Georgia election workers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 03:25 AM

Relating this topic to music.

Ten times musicians told politicians to quit playing their music

The article lists ten instances where politicians have used music without permission and then there is this at the end:

"Former US president Donald Trump is a serial offender when it comes to using artists' music without their permission.

"In fact, the list of musicians who've condemned him for doing so is now so long it has its own Wikipedia page, with the tracks in question serving as a pretty impressive playlist in their own right.

"Trump's refusal to even attempt to find artists whose opinions align with his own means his rally attendees have so far rocked out to a long list of liberal icons, including Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, the White Stripes and — inexplicably — the Village People.

'R.E.M. singer Michael Stipe perhaps put it most succinctly in 2015, when he criticised the Trump campaign for playing the band's music.

" 'Go f*** yourselves, the lot of you — you sad, attention-grabbing, power-hungry little men. Do not use our music or my voice for your moronic charade of a campaign,' Stipe said.   '


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 05:27 AM

Stealing music is one thing but stealing books and libraries is what the right thinks is a war on woke.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/13/us/texas-houston-schools-libraries-takeover.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 05:33 AM

As an ex-librarian, I think that is totally wrong. I never read Ray Bradbury's book Fahrenheit 451, probably because the thought of burning books for ideological purposes upset me too much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 09:37 AM

He was a bitter man
raved as fast as he can
and owned guns
just for fun

In his nights and days
His heart did fade
As his mind
grew more unkind.


I wish that enlightenment
shine, on the dumb and depraved
I wish that enlightenment
shine, on the dumb and depraved

before they do the damn crime

I wish that enlightenment
shine, on the dumb and depraved
I wish that enlightenment
shine, on the dumb and depraved

before they do the damn crime

He watched FOX news
and began to snooze
and dreamed of
sweet revenge

Now he's lost
beyond all cost
he pulled an epic fail
so now he's in jail

I wish that enlightenment shine
on the dumb and depraved
I wish that enlightenment shine,
on the dumb and depraved

before they do the damn crime


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Subject: RE: IF TRUMP WINS AGAIN...
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 10:30 AM

If Trump does win again his lifelong dream of making his Golf courses a tax-free religion may come to pass.
Sunday is their best day. Worshippers already pray before each shot.
The rules of Golf will become commandments. Saudi Arabia LIV Golf will be the ultimate benefactor. Instead of wine and wafers, there will be club sandwiches and Arnold Palmer cocktails. Instead of making the courses restricted, it will simply be a Jew-free zone. Blacks will be allowed to Caddy and be servants.

There will also be a few changes in the Justice Dept. and Constitution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Aug 23 - 11:44 AM

The best result would be that he runs for president and loses by an absolute landslide but I can't see that happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 12:39 AM

Two Proud Boys leaders sentenced to prison for their role in January 6 US Capitol riots

* Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl are the first Proud Boys to be sent to prison
* Both apologised for their actions, with Biggs claiming "I'm not a terrorist"
* The judge handed a far lower sentence than prosecutors sought

...

"Two other Proud Boys — Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola — will face sentencing before Justice Kelly on Friday, while the group's former chairman Enrique Tarrio will be sentenced on September 5.

"Prosecutors are seeking a 33-year prison term for Tarrio and a 27-year term for Nordean, both of whom were also convicted of seditious conspiracy.

"They are requesting a 20-year term for Pezzola, who was acquitted of seditious conspiracy, but convicted of other serious felonies."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:56 AM

Even sycophant Mike Pense was not loyal enough to Trump.
Who would be? Thats easy. Donald Trump Jr.
At 45 he is old enough. This notion started as a cartoon idea but...
A Trump double ticket would ensure Trump's power no matter what happens in Court like pardons etc.
Would Republicans go for it? a 2021 article

'a double Trump' sounds more like a bowel movement than a Presidential ticket but Republicans have done stranger things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 10:52 AM

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. . .

Jamie Raskin Turns the Tables on James Comer and That’s Bad News for Jared Kushner

From the end of that article:
Raskin later added during an interview on MSNBC that he is seeking all documents and information related to Jared Kushner’s business dealings with Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern nations. Raskin pointed out that if the Committee can investigate Hunter Biden, who never worked in government, they can also investigate Jared Kushner who worked in the Trump administration and then got billions of dollars from foreign governments.

Raskin is using Comer’s own words against him, and if Comer refuses to investigate Kushner, the contrast will highlight the House Republican Hunter Biden’s hypocrisy


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:27 PM

Trump's standing armies of thugs are losing their leadership, as several more are found guilty and sentenced to between 10 and 20 years in prison for the January 6 events. Like drug cartels there are probably lower-level thugs moving into the top positions. In a news story this week I heard them discuss how some of these groups have regular meetings and dues. The Southern Poverty Law Center gives a thorough history of the group.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:54 PM

When Proud Boy Leaders are sentenced to 15 and 17 years they have been seen to break down crying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 05:43 AM

On Wiki it says Robert F Kennedy Jr and Marianne Williamson.

Are either likely to become president?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM

That's a really bad joke. The Kennedy in question drank the konspiracy koolaid years ago and Williamson is a bonafide flake. Roll them together and sprinkle with cash and you have Trump, and the Democratic party is not one to go with either of them. Ever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 01:58 PM

I didn't know anything about either so thanks for the heads up


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 11:45 AM

Trump has been surprisingly quiet. Not a natural state for him, so I expect the urge to make his usual outbursts will outdo the legal demands placed on him for silence and self preservation. Silence, for him, would be anathema.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 03:25 PM

Someone probably got past all the "advisors" to be heard - telling him that the most likely result of his continuing to talk are hefty fines that he can't avoid or appeal. Hundreds of thousands that would hit him where it hurts most, in the ego.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 03:44 PM

Ah yes, the hip-pocket nerve!

I'm thinking that the restrictions placed on him communicating in the time before and during all of the trials is probably the most effective way to take him out of the running for the election. He's in a damned-if-you-do talk, and damned-if-you-don't situation because he can't sway voters with his BS. So the trials themselves could go either way, but the time leading up to and during the trials could be the crucial turning point. Possibly a glimmer of hope there??!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 06:41 PM

The First Amendment lets him speak about everything else, and his range of material is bizarrely huge and off-topic for any other politician out there. He collects what he considers injustices and must rant against them - this is where the threat of being fined keeps him in check. We hope. So far it has done nothing to remove him from the race (though the debate about the seditious acts and whether a court prosecution is required to remove him from running is ongoing).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 08:15 PM

Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio sentenced for seditious conspiracy role in January 6 riots

"The former chairman of the far-right Proud Boys group has been sentenced to 22 years' prison for his role in the events of January 6 Capitol riot.

...

"Tarrio addressed the court ahead of sentencing, describing what happened on January 6 as "national embarrassment".

"He apologised to members of Congress, the police officers who defended the Capitol and the citizens of Washington DC.

"The defendant's voice cracked as he pleaded with the judge to show him mercy and broke down when talking of his family, saying he had failed them.

"'I am not a political zealot. Inflicting harm or changing the results of the election was not my goal,' Tarrio said."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM

Former US president Donald Trump faces new developments in Georgia election subversion case, defamation lawsuit

"Former US president Donald Trump's legal predicaments seem to be gaining momentum ahead of his 2024 electoral run.

"Amid a slew of new developments, Mr Trump has announced during a radio interview he is willing to testify in his classified documents case.

"The case, which alleges Mr Trump mishandled classified documents at his Mar-A-Lago resort after he left office, is scheduled to begin in May.

"'I look forward to testifying,' Mr Trump told the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.

"He has pleaded not guilty to all charges and accused prosecutors of targeting him for political purposes.

"While the claim sounds promising, Mr Trump has a history of showing a willingness to testify in investigations, only to back-pedal later."


It's a long article but in the light of the last statement I quoted from it, we'll just have to wait and see whether he does actually testify.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM

Chesebro doesn't want to get any of Powell's cooties, but the judge isn't letting them sever the connections - they will be tried at the same time.

Georgia Judge Says Two Defendants in Trump Case Will Get Early Trial Together
Sidney Powell followed Kenneth Chesebro in demanding a speedy trial, but neither defendant in the election interference case wanted to be tried with the other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 11:06 PM

Just mention Sydney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and I am transported back in time to watching them both at that outdoor press conference at the landscaping business. He's sweating hair dye and she is spouting the most unbelievable, whackadoodle guff I have ever heard in my life. Hollywood, here they come!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 12:48 AM

Six Colorado voters sue to remove Trump from the state's 2024 ballot
Their lawsuit contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections because he violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment with his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Pretty much says it all. NBC doesn't have a firewall so people should be able to read this, but here is the gist of it:
Their suit, which was filed in the U.S. District Court in Denver, contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which states that no person shall hold any office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" after having taken an oath to support the Constitution.

The group called on the court to remove Trump from the 2024 ballot and declare that it would be "improper" and "a breach or neglect of duty" for Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold, a Democrat, to allow his name to appear on any future primary or general election ballots.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and several law firms filed the lawsuit on behalf of the six voters — four Republicans and two unaffiliated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 02:13 AM

Wouldn't the six voters have to wait until the outcome of the trial before they could do that? Or are they just anticipating that he will be found guilty and commencing action now?

Ok, from that article I can see that they are basing their action on this:

"The group included findings on Trump's efforts to overturn the election results that were revealed by the House Jan. 6 committee, which dissolved in January after having concluded a lengthy investigation into the riot, as well as from special counsel Jack Smith's investigation that led to one of the four criminal indictments against the former president."

I guess there is time pressure to start their action now, given the impending election processes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 07:13 AM

Many people wonder what Trump tapped into to entice nearly half of the people to his version of populism. It is not merely fascism or his big lie. IT IS WHAT PEOPLE LEARNED AS CHILDREN. For years people learned how to suppress their early teachings that were offensive in society but carried those feelings deep inside. Once legitimized those early lessons surface.
All it took was a bigot like Trump with the veneer of financial success and shared hatreds from an early age.

Donald's dad was sympathetic to the KKK and Donald absorbed all those teachings early.

Childish beliefs lead to childish behavior. It is not that hard to understand Trumpism and its fallacies from this POV. Perhaps this has been said before but we should bear in mind we are dealing with children with real guns.


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