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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 09:26 PM

The GOP candidates are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant.

The issues that will get people to the polls don't have to do with Trump; it has to do with the Supreme Court. You need to go to a more granular level. The state issues to do with access to abortion and birth control and LGBTQ-rights are where pissed off American women and families and their allies are making the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 23 - 09:47 AM

Confirmation that Prigozhin was killed in that plane explosion last week. Putin is a bad example for Trump; should the orange one end up in office again I fear he wouldn't put any parts of the Putin playbook off limits. Another reason to not even let him run.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Aug 23 - 09:49 AM

Let's see if that old song slips into the news of the night. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Aug 23 - 03:01 PM

Old MOAB is way ahead, but you can only see it piecemeal when you do a search on a person and see any of their posts to open individually.

Trump seems to have been knocked off of the front page by Idalia. And another blip on the political news radar is that CNN has a new leader after the pro-Trump Chris Licht was fired in June. Licht alienated and fired a lot of people before he was done, but now hopefully CNN can do more real news again. David Zaslav Says Mark Thompson Will Bring “Transformational Leadership” to CNN. Not like Trump ever liked CNN, but a network going from relatively neutral into the Trump Swamp was problematic. FAUX News is bad enough, along with a couple of the lesser stars (New Max, OAN) in the conservative news constellation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 10:52 AM

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. . .

Jamie Raskin Turns the Tables on James Comer and That’s Bad News for Jared Kushner

From the end of that article:

Raskin later added during an interview on MSNBC that he is seeking all documents and information related to Jared Kushner’s business dealings with Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern nations. Raskin pointed out that if the Committee can investigate Hunter Biden, who never worked in government, they can also investigate Jared Kushner who worked in the Trump administration and then got billions of dollars from foreign governments.

Raskin is using Comer’s own words against him, and if Comer refuses to investigate Kushner, the contrast will highlight the House Republican Hunter Biden’s hypocrisy

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Sep 23 - 06:27 PM

Trump's standing armies of thugs are losing their leadership, as several more are found guilty and sentenced to between 10 and 20 years in prison for the January 6 events. Like drug cartels there are probably lower-level thugs moving into the top positions. In a news story this week I heard them discuss how some of these groups have regular meetings and dues. The Southern Poverty Law Center gives a thorough history of the group.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM

That's a really bad joke. The Kennedy in question drank the konspiracy koolaid years ago and Williamson is a bonafide flake. Roll them together and sprinkle with cash and you have Trump, and the Democratic party is not one to go with either of them. Ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 03:25 PM

Someone probably got past all the "advisors" to be heard - telling him that the most likely result of his continuing to talk are hefty fines that he can't avoid or appeal. Hundreds of thousands that would hit him where it hurts most, in the ego.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 23 - 06:41 PM

The First Amendment lets him speak about everything else, and his range of material is bizarrely huge and off-topic for any other politician out there. He collects what he considers injustices and must rant against them - this is where the threat of being fined keeps him in check. We hope. So far it has done nothing to remove him from the race (though the debate about the seditious acts and whether a court prosecution is required to remove him from running is ongoing).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Sep 23 - 09:47 PM

Chesebro doesn't want to get any of Powell's cooties, but the judge isn't letting them sever the connections - they will be tried at the same time.

Georgia Judge Says Two Defendants in Trump Case Will Get Early Trial Together
Sidney Powell followed Kenneth Chesebro in demanding a speedy trial, but neither defendant in the election interference case wanted to be tried with the other.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Sep 23 - 12:48 AM

Six Colorado voters sue to remove Trump from the state's 2024 ballot
Their lawsuit contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections because he violated Section 3 of the 14th Amendment with his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Pretty much says it all. NBC doesn't have a firewall so people should be able to read this, but here is the gist of it:

Their suit, which was filed in the U.S. District Court in Denver, contends that Trump should be disqualified from running in future elections under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, which states that no person shall hold any office if they "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" after having taken an oath to support the Constitution.

The group called on the court to remove Trump from the 2024 ballot and declare that it would be "improper" and "a breach or neglect of duty" for Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold, a Democrat, to allow his name to appear on any future primary or general election ballots.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and several law firms filed the lawsuit on behalf of the six voters — four Republicans and two unaffiliated.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 23 - 09:35 AM

Now they need to go after Jim Jordan who did the EXACT SAME THING as Peter Navarro.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 11:36 PM

Trump's Chief of Staff Meadows spent several hours testifying today, trying to get his trial moved to federal court. His version of things is now etched in stone - under oath, anything he said can and will be used against him.

One of the group has filed to waive the arraignment hearing in Atlanta, filing a "not guilty" plea. I think it may have been discussed on MSNBC, I don't see it in the Google News stories I just pulled up. Trump, other defendants to be arraigned next week in Georgia election interference case. The rest will be arraigned next week on Wednesday.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 23 - 12:52 PM

Fulton County judge rules DA can't try all 19 defendants together in Trump RICO case

Fulton County Judge Scott McAfee ruled Thursday in favor of severing the trials for 17 of the defendants, including former President Donald Trump, from that of two of the defendants in the election interference case.

The trial for the two defendants, lawyers Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, is scheduled to begin Oct. 23. McAfee denied their request to have trials separate from each other. McAfee said his decision "is simply a procedural and logistical inevitability."

"Beginning with the logistical concerns, the Fulton County Courthouse simply contains no courtroom adequately large enough to hold all 19 defendants, their multiple attorneys and support staff, the sheriff's deputies, court personnel, and the State's prosecutorial team," McAfee said in the ruling. "Relocating to another larger venue raises security concerns that cannot be rapidly addressed."

And on another front, the federal judge in the documents case restricted Trump's access to the documents in question. He isn't allowed to take them back to Mar a lago to peruse them at his leisure. But it took her an entire month to come up with a ruling that would normally have been rendered in a single day. She's slow-walking this for Trump.

A lot of recent content and the attendant bickering was removed. Stick to talking about the cases.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 02:02 PM

Delay, delay, delay - that is the game plan for the Trump defenders on all fronts. A hearing on Sept. 14 resulted in a possible delay because Trump is suing the judge in the New York civil fraud case that is scheduled to start in early October this year.

Trump New York fraud case could be delayed after ex-president sues judge

Trump has repeatedly sought to delay or throw out the case, and has repeatedly been rejected. But this time, the Daily Beast said, an appeals judge, David Friedman, “grant[ed] the former president’s request in a surprise hearing on Thursday that was closed off to the public”.

Trump lawyers said Engoron defied an appellate order to work out which real-estate deals in the case are in fact too old to be examined for bank and insurance fraud. Engoron, the Daily Beast said, is due to make the decision soon.

Trump lawyers also protested against a recent order in which Engoron rejected an attempt to delay the case, writing curtly: “Decline to sign; defendants’ arguments are completely without merit.”

Following Friedman’s move to pause the case, a full appeals panel was due to consider the question, potentially altering the case or delaying it altogether. A spokesperson for the state court system told the Times the appeals panel would rule in the week beginning 25 September.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Sep 23 - 06:28 PM

Special counsel asks for 'narrow' gag order for Trump in election interference case
Jack Smith's office says Trump's "disparaging and inflammatory attacks" have spurred threats against witnesses and threaten the court process.

"Like his previous public disinformation campaign regarding the 2020 presidential election, the defendant’s recent extrajudicial statements are intended to undermine public confidence in an institution—the judicial system—and to undermine confidence in and intimidate individuals—the Court, the jury pool, witnesses, and prosecutors," they wrote.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 09:19 PM

It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry. The research that happens first to see if there is a case for impeachment - big difference.

There are some far right wingnuts who make a lot of threats but don't follow through as far as the Speaker of the House position.

I'm hoping the Washington, D.C. case is pushed sooner on the calendar to keep Trump from having more time to intimidate everyone he hates. It is an option open to Judge Chutkan that would limit the damage, but she also needs to muzzle him somehow. I think the threat of jail would overburden the Secret Service, but he has it coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 12:25 PM

The US House of Representatives lost a member last week when Christ Stewart of Utah resigned due to his wife's health (a stroke).

Stewart’s departure sets off a race to replace him on the Appropriations Committee, right as lawmakers feud over stopgap plans to fund the government before the month is out.

With his name already gone from his office door, Stewart left the Capitol on Thursday before the final votes of the day. In an interview with Roll Call on his way out of town, he shared his next moves (including buying some cows) and recalled his “somber” mood in 2013 during the first shutdown of his career. “We did what we thought was right at the time, and it didn’t work,” Stewart said.

A special Republican primary to fill his seat was held in the Beehive State last week, where his former aide, Celeste Maloy, clinched the nomination and is heavily favored to win on Nov. 21.

His replacement won't be there until after the November special election, so the House has only a four member GOP margin.

Trump will no doubt be dabbling in that kind of race, still trying to line up ducks to support him. As Rachel Maddow says, "#WatchThisSpace

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 11:06 AM

Case it point, how quickly, during the #MeToo era, Kirsten Gillibrand insisted Al Franken resign from the senate, and to avoid a fuss, Al did. But his faux pas were of enthusiastic hugs or getting too close in personal space, and when he was told to stop it, he did. We lost a really good one there. Thanks, Kirsten, for watching out for the party. Not. I always thought he should have stayed. She's much less effective or helpful.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Sep 23 - 11:32 AM

Sounds like someone just got out of jail. That might make it easier to figure out who Q is.

The Trump support tag team (aka the "Freedom Caucus" in the US House of Representatives) are having a go at Merrick Garland this morning in a sham hearing. They should have a stack of individual pack Wet Ones hand wipes at the table - people will feel like they need to clean up after being addressed by the likes of Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 23 - 09:46 PM

'Set the stage for a demagogue': Presidential historian explains rise of Trump

Former President Donald Trump's uniquely successful rise to power over the Republican Party, and his durable support even in the face of criminal indictments, is a product of unique changes to the cultural and media landscape that have only recently become possible.

That's the view of presidential historian Michael Beschloss, who joined MSNBC's Ari Melber to explain his thinking.

"I'm curious what you think we can make of the history as it unfolds," said Melber. "And what in our past shows us guidance for things that were unprecedented and then have a precedent, like holding these government officials, who are presumed innocent, accountable? Putting them on trial for coup attempts?"

Instead of the media per se, Beschloss credits the rise of the Internet in the mid-1990s, and the beginning of "Fox News" (that isn't really a news site, it presents current events as entertainment).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Sep 23 - 12:58 PM

With democracy on the ballot, the mainstream press must change its ways
US news organizations have turned Biden’s age into a scandal and continue to cover Trump as an entertaining side show

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Sep 23 - 07:18 PM

It's one thing to make a point on a related topic and move on, it's another to take that subject and drag the entire thread down an unrelated path. Detritus removed.

I scrolled down the US tab in Google News this evening and it wasn't until the 21st grouped box that a Trump story appeared, and this time it's about Cassidy Hutchinson with Trump stories to tell. He's like a toddler who has been quiet for a while - it makes me think he's up to no-good. He's in the news so much, to the point that when he isn't in the news it seems to be when he finds a way to bring attention back to himself, and in his world, any attention is good attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 23 - 10:09 AM

On which front? In the New York fraud case:

Engoron told the courtroom that he intends to issue a single ruling by Tuesday that would decide the three major issues at question, including the government motion for partial summary judgment -- which could allow Engoron to decide a portion of or the entire case without a trial -- and New York Attorney General Letitia James' request to impose legal sanctions on the defendants.

His ruling could define the scope of the $250 million civil trial scheduled to begin in downtown Manhattan on October 2, including if and how the trial proceeds, according to Engoron.

Meanwhile, Jack Smith has brought in a trusted deputy from the Hague to work on the January 6 case.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 23 - 09:24 PM

The GOP attention has been laser-focused on Hunter Biden, as they try to suggest that someone who never had a job in the Biden administration is the same as Trump (or Trump's son-in-law Kushner, who took billions from the Saudi's the moment Trump was out of the White House). What Menendez has allegedly done is a problem, and you'd think they would grasp that, but he isn't in the Biden family or with the name, so they don't seem to care. And if Menendez did step down, the New Jersey governor could appoint someone to replace him. Since Murphy is Democrat, the balance remains in the Senate.

Cassidy Hutchinson's book comes out Tuesday, and she's on Rachel Maddow's show tonight. What do you want to bet Trump won't resist tweeting or posting to Truth Social when her stories are in print for all to see (or during or after her interview airs).

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 23 - 08:42 PM

I just read the New York Times article about it - Ms. James' goal is to stop Trump from operating those businesses and getting loans, etc. And the trial starts next week.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 23 - 12:07 PM

From CNN:

A New York judge found Donald Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification, a shocking ruling that poses an existential threat to the former president’s financial empire as he runs for a second term in the White House.

Judge Arthur Engoron’s ruling on Monday is a complete rejection of Trump’s arguments that he didn’t inflate the values of his golf courses, hotels, homes at Mar-a-Lago and Seven Springs on financial statements.

“In defendants’ world: rent-regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air; a disclaimer by one party casting responsibility on another party exonerates the other party’s lies,” the judge wrote.

“That is a fantasy world, not the real world,” Engoron said.

The ruling came in response to the lawsuit by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is seeking $250 million in damages, a ban on the Trumps from serving as officers of a business in New York and to stop the company from engaging in business transactions for five years.

The rest is here.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 23 - 01:07 PM

It appears that Trump supporter Mike Lindell is having his own financial problems continue. Now American Express has slashed his credit line.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy better target.

"Steve, we really need everybody's help right now. We have things going on I'm going to let you all know this week," Lindell told fellow Trump ally Steve Bannon on the latter's "War Room" podcast on Monday.

Lindell said on the podcast that a sudden reduction in MyPillow's credit line with American Express was seriously affecting the company. Lindell told Bannon that MyPillow had been using American Express's services for the past 15 years.

"Out of the blue, they took our credit line from a million dollars down to $100,000," Lindell said. "Just cripples MyPillow. No reason, no explanation, just dropped it down last Tuesday."

A spokesperson for American Express told Newsweek in a story published on Tuesday that they weren't able to address Lindell's claims directly.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 01:00 PM

Even absent last night at the second GOP staged brawl, Trump was the Elephant in the Room. He's the Man who came to dinner, we can't get rid of him. Chris Christie needs to figure out that less is more. He was on a roll until he added that they'll now call him Donald Duck.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 02:16 PM

Trump and his adult children expected to be called to testify in New York fraud trial

Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump are among the 28 names on James’ list of witnesses to be called in the case. Trump’s sons, who are also defendants in the case, have run the company since Trump was elected president in 2016.

Also on James’ list are Michael Cohen, Trump’s former fixer and personal lawyer, and Allen Weisselberg, the former chief financial officer of the Trump Organization.

Defense lawyers in the case submitted their own list of 128 witnesses, which also includes Trump and his two oldest sons.

The two lists were filed Wednesday to Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron.

A day earlier, Engoron ruled that Trump, his sons and the company were liable for fraud in how they valued numerous real estate properties and other assets.

That searing ruling also stripped the defendants and the Trump Organization of their business certificates, and sanctioned multiple defense attorneys for repeatedly making frivolous arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 02:23 PM

Meanwhile, the Trump toadies in the House of Representatives are desperate to try to do to Biden what the Senate did to Trump. What they want to do hasn't been authorised, so this is a sham hearing.

AOC AND JAMIE RASKIN SHATTER GOP’S FAKE BIDEN IMPEACHMENT HEARING

Just to make sure everyone is clear on this, Comer admitted that the hearing that the committee is holding isn’t an impeachment hearing, because the House hasn’t authorized an impeachment investigation. The hearing that Comer and Jordan are holding isn’t a real impeachment investigation hearing. Rep. Adam Schiff held authorized impeachment investigative hearings for Trump’s first impeachment because the House authorized the investigation.

There has been no constitutional authorization for the Biden investigation. It is nothing more than Republicans pretending to hold impeachment hearings because Kevin McCarthy said so.

The hearing is fake, and until there is full House authorization, they have no authority or power to do anything impeachment-related.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 11:55 PM

On Monday the other shoe drops in Manhattan. His appeal didn't work and the trial begins. Pass the popcorn.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 11:10 AM

Trump World won't have a reason to chime in (but who knows - it could happen) regarding the death of Dianne Feinstein. California Gov. Newsom will appoint a black woman to fill out the rest of her term. This will give everyone a short course on how to replace a Democratic senator in a Democratic state with a Democratic governor. Next - will Menendez step down and let Democratic governor Philip Murphy appoint a replacement to fill the rest of his term? She stayed too long and the last term was fraught due to absences and illness, and people were pressuring her to leave. So she did. Unlike the GOP supporting it's criminal class, the Democratic party is shifting itself to put pressure on Menendez to leave, who is much less likely to die in office.

In the meantime, Trump should stop flying around to events, should sell the jet, should hunker down at his home in Florida and be glad that state is one that is very liberal (!) when it comes to being able to keep your home if you go bankrupt. He and his sons are on the brink of losing their business license in the State of New York, where many of his holdings are in place. Apparently Ivanka had her own court case last year about her standing and is the only member of the family still able to have businesses there. Does she become the sudden heir of the whole thing, or will it be liquidated by the state? She seems to have fallen from grace in the family, but perhaps that will shift.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 05:26 PM

Trump and Biden are for all intents and purposes the same age. A couple of years apart. If Trump can run, Biden can run.

I'll tell you what I tell people every year.

Don't Believe the Polls

They're inaccurate, they don't ask good questions and they don't ask every voter. They're flawed and they have too much influence if people let them. The only polls that matter are the voting booth.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Sep 23 - 08:38 PM

You must be watching the news that tries to find any small wobble and slows or emphasises it and blows it out of proportion.

You do realize that Trump is obese, probably wears a diaper and a girdle, has a hair weave, wears makeup to keep that orange glow, and has a terrible diet? He doesn't get enough sleep and he throws stuff when he's pissed, so a lot broken crockery and new paint around his environs.

Biden exercises at home, bikes outside regularly, eats well, and has a clear conscience. Ok, he needs to do something about the dog (call Cesar Millan, for starters). He looks healthy for his age and he's a damn sight better candidate than Trump.

Trump is a player, always calculating, Biden is kind and smart.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 11:18 AM

You've said the same jaundiced things several times and have been told it isn't a good reading of the situation.

Man of Constant Sorrow is a parody that Mudcatter gnu shared this weekend.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 23 - 04:49 PM

There you go again. That "Afghanistan cock up" is Trump's - he set it in motion, intentionally, during his administration so it would land smack on the next guy.

Stop borrowing trouble. Harris is a talented and able vice president. If she becomes president through Biden's departure - voluntary or not - she will do a good job. I worry more about the people who are fussing about Biden's age than I worry about Biden's age.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Oct 23 - 10:15 AM

How can I say this in a way to get you off of this one nerve you are insisting on poking and repoking? We hear what you are saying, BUT WE DON'T AGREE. Harris may be unknown to you, I don't know most of your politicians.

I knew exactly what I meant, knew Reagan said it, but Reagan doesn't own that phrase.

Move on. This topic is about Trump's indictments, it's not about what you forecast as doom and gloom regarding the failure of the US population to completely get rid of Trump in our political landscape. We're working on it. Move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 10:40 AM

The judge in the case isn't allowing video of opening and closing statements, but is allowing still cameras in the courtroom. Smart photographers will use mirrorless cameras that don't make a shutter noise to distract the subjects of the photos.

The Orange one has put in an appearance today, seated front and center in court. Someone must have told him that a blue tie is appropriate for court, he doesn't have his signature red over-long tie. This morning's MSNBC talking head is suggesting that if people could watch the trial then Trump's folks can't leave the courtroom and put their own "martyr" spin on the proceedings. They can see the judge being fair, etc. But after the first few photo ops before things begin, that isn't going to happen. I'm sure there will be lots of reporting from people who listen closely.

Rachel Maddow does her weekly appearance on MSNBC on Monday evenings, so I'll be tuned in to see how she views the events of the day.

You asked what people are going to do to get rid of him. Direct action as far as registering voters is a big part of it. Flipping a few seats in Congressional districts that support him will have the added effect of being able to undo damage he did in his only term. Prudent people don't wish for harmful or illegal things, especially not in writing (unlike his supporters who think violence is a tool to accomplish what they need.) Joining effective pro-voting groups and emboldening Biden supporters (who last time around felt targeted if they put political signage in their yards. Trump supporters vandalized homes and signs in 2016.) Helping people get to the polls. Working at the polls. The list grows.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 01:25 PM

I think you'll find that if the GOP could get a reasonable person as their candidate (not a Trumper from political fantasy land) everyone could relax into a normal campaign.

Think of someone who served on the January 6 committee. I don't like many of the political positions of Liz Cheney on various issues, but she is principled. Romney the same. Adam Kinzinger. They're normal conservative politicians who understand how government is supposed to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 23 - 05:50 PM

I had a conversation with a psychologist friend this weekend, discussing the difference between personality disorders, such as sociopaths, versus brain and chemical disorders such as schizophrenia or bipolar conditions. You can't "treat" personality disorders except for trying to teach some skills through lots of therapy and practice. Trump has no empathy, he's not going to learn it or be shamed into exhibiting it. He has a martyr thing going now, he collects grievances and acts out against those he considers his tormentors. He rarely listens to his attorneys when they try to get him to stop slamming his victims and the prosecutors and judges.

He belongs in jail. Without a phone or a computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 10:07 AM

Robert Reich has played the role of Cassandra ever since Trump started running for the office. I follow him on several of the social media sites. His pithiest pieces appear on the Substack blog and as occasional editorials and the New York Times or the Washington Post.

Trump's appointees to the Supreme Court aren't there just to take away women's rights, they're also there to enable more oligarchs to retain their wealth. One of the first cases of the session has to do with the funding of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau; the payday lenders (who end up charging massive interest on their loans) and other scammers want the bureau gone, so are trying a backdoor method to get there. If Trump loses all of his properties we should not be surprised to learn of Trump Payday Loans in the near future.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 11:41 AM

I also write postal mail and faxes and emails to my Congressional representative and US Senators.

Again . . .

Polls Are Meaningless

That is all.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:14 PM

What polls do is convince people who do pay attention to them, who aren't skeptical about the questions asked, who did the asking, or how they were phrased, that their vote can't possibly matter. They discourage people from voting.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM

People need to understand that polls are biased and inaccurate. I have the feeling that more people understand that, but the results of elections are a sure-fire way to tell if that is the case.

The House is debating whether McCarthy stays as Speaker or not. Another artificial crisis manufactured by Trump zealots.

Meanwhile, Trump must figure that the attention of attending court is worth his time as far as donations coming in. He's in court for a second day when he doesn't have to be. I wonder if he's staying at the Tower or commuting in from the golf course? I think the tower will be forfeit if/when the trial concludes, since the summary judgement has already shown that fraud did happen.

The details of that judgment are here: Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers while building real estate empire

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:50 PM

Trump had a gag order dropped on him this afternoon after he put up a post that doxed the judge's clerk (put up her Instagram information and suggested she was involved with Senator Schumer, the senator from her state, where it isn't unreasonable to have your photo taken with your representative).

The posts were removed from Truth Social.

That thing Lighter shared is pretty damned surreal. A drawing of the sociopathic guy from Queens situated beside a European-featured representation of the christian nationalists' icon who by all rights (and common sense) is a swarthy-skinned Middle-Eastern man. There's a White House photo of when a bunch of those folks were in the Oval Office and stood around Trump, laying their hands on him. He apparently doesn't like to be touched (self-proclaimed germaphobe, according to various news sources). Though this handshake he offered is a good one: Melania handshake from Polish first lady

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM

As a whole, the news today illustrates many ways that the GOP is crumbling. One commentator remarked that much of this started when they invited in the populist voice (and that would go back to the Tea Party). Gingrich brought incivility to the fore when he was in the House.

Americans need to be exposed to high school Civics and Social Studies courses again. So many of them don't seem to have an idea of what the various political positions are supposed to be doing and why a responsible life of service, whatever your political viewpoint, is a desirable thing.

Trump is in court for the third day. One suspects that this is about as long as he'll stick with these appearances, partly because so many eyes are averted from him, instead drawn to the drama at the Capitol, and because he'll be bored with the process in which he has no control.

Breaking news - one of the worst of the worst, Jim Jordan, has announced he wants to be Speaker of the House. #3 in the presidential succession. No way. What a complete jerk.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 01:34 PM

One of MSNBC's talking heads said of the GOP House with the removal of McCarthy and now needing a new leader: "It's like the dog caught the car." Now what. Well, GOP members who wanted McCarthy to be rescued by some votes from Democrats are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.

In Trump World, Donald Trump's Properties Will Likely Be Auctioned Off, Attorney Says.

Donald Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he had committed fraud, New York's former assistant attorney general has said.

Tristan Snell was speaking after a court found that the former president had massively inflated the value of some of his properties and ordered that some Trump companies involved be stripped of their corporate licenses. It's one part of Trump's ongoing civil fraud trial.

"The worst outcome that could have come from this case has already been handed down, and that is for the corporate licenses to be canceled," Snell told MSNBC. "The properties are likely going to be liquidated. The properties are probably going to be sold at auction. That's probably what is going to happen. We don't know that for sure, but that is probably where this is headed. So [Trump] is already really, really in trouble."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 12:01 PM

Trump is using inciting language that his former attorney Michael Cohen calls "mob boss talk." It's the "meddlesome priest" that Don mentioned, I've heard that same line used by Neal Katyal and Andrew Weissmann to describe the way Trump indicates he wants things done. His rhetoric speaks volumes.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 12:11 AM

On MSNBC this evening one of the guest commentators described Trump's followers as the "MAGA jackal conference." BINGO. Nailed it.