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From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 12:54 PM

Or else that it's vital for them to vote.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 01:43 PM

Too many polls are flawed by asking less-than-representative samples of people, samples that are too small and by asking leading questions, often by polls which seek a particular outcome. There are reputable pollsters who work on these things. Polls, whether you like it or not, are embedded in our democratic process. The UK forbids polling on the day of the election except for exit polls, which tend be be extremely accurate. If you want to ban polls (I'm sure you don't), we should also be banning tabloid newspapers and Fox/Sky News, which have the same baleful influences on the electorate that you list.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM

People need to understand that polls are biased and inaccurate. I have the feeling that more people understand that, but the results of elections are a sure-fire way to tell if that is the case.

The House is debating whether McCarthy stays as Speaker or not. Another artificial crisis manufactured by Trump zealots.

Meanwhile, Trump must figure that the attention of attending court is worth his time as far as donations coming in. He's in court for a second day when he doesn't have to be. I wonder if he's staying at the Tower or commuting in from the golf course? I think the tower will be forfeit if/when the trial concludes, since the summary judgement has already shown that fraud did happen.

The details of that judgment are here: Judge rules Donald Trump defrauded banks and insurers while building real estate empire

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:04 PM

The polls I pay attention to are those cited by the major news outlets. They identify all those variables, including the question, the polling organization, and the margin of error.

Professional pollsters take a stratified random sample of about 1,200 people. And, yes, that's enough to give a good ballpark estimate. The key is that the sample population be representative of the whole: random (everybody has an equal chance of being polled) and stratified (every subgroup of the population is covered). If properly conducted, the margin of error is about +/-3% 95% of the time.

Consider that polling in 2016 indicated Clinton would probably be elected. In fact, she did win the popular vote, which is what most of the polls were measuring.

As for the electoral vote, polling showed both candidates within the margin of error, i.e., the election could go either way. As it turned out, Trump won more than Clinton because of the geographical distribution of the votes.

Possibly the biggest caveat about polls nowadays is that people are now more likely to give false answers because they think the polls are rigged by the Fake News and the Deep State. Another is that caller ID keeps many people from answering the phone.

There are statistical methods that can minimize such bias in the sample.

A well conducted poll isn't infallible, but it's far from meaningless.
Even in 1948, when most polls had mistakenly predicted that Dewey would beat Truman, a swing of only about 1% in California, Ohio, and Illinois would have given him the victory in the electoral college.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:10 PM

Day of election exit polls are revealing. https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:28 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Lighter.

In Oz, there have been occasions where the polling indicates a likely result and the opposite result occurs. In some cases I think that the polling helps some voters to think more clearly about their voting intentions, and possibly sways them into a different path than originally they intended. We are poised to find out one of those results in a week or so. I have my fingers and toes crossed that the current polling results are not the final outcome on that issue.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:46 PM

Speaker of the House McCarthy has been ousted 216 to 210.
1st time in our history.

He was a toadie sycophant ousted by other Trump toady sycophants.

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From: Helen
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:56 PM

I guess McCarthy thought that if he backed the Biden "impeachment" issue he might be safe-ish. Guessed wrong! I think he was in a lose-lose position, whichever decision he backed.

BTW Donuel, I agree with what you said in your post 02 Oct 23 - 07:42 PM about the Electoral College and mandatory voting. As an outsider in a country with an electoral system which works fairly well most of the time, I view both of those parts of the U.S. electoral system with considerable disquiet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 04:58 PM

I've heard Trump compared to Jesus by his apostles (Trump's apostles) several times.

Now check out Trump's latest post:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shares-surreal-courtroom-sketch-094724195.html

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 05:36 PM

Wow Lighter, I wonder who taught who that no-surrender mug shot scowl.

Today reminded me of a bloodless 'night of the long knives' when the Nazis ate their own.

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:09 PM

Good, measured post on polls, Lighter. As I said, polling is embedded in our democracies. Polls are just one factor in influencing the electorate. Right-wing mass media and lying politicians are probably far more influential. We can't silence any of 'em. That's democracy for you.

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From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:36 PM

The Trump defense did not ask for a jury trial but the scattershot lies they are telling their base is that it is unfair they were not given a jury trial. The other lie is that a form got lost and they were denied a jury without said form.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 23 - 06:50 PM

Trump had a gag order dropped on him this afternoon after he put up a post that doxed the judge's clerk (put up her Instagram information and suggested she was involved with Senator Schumer, the senator from her state, where it isn't unreasonable to have your photo taken with your representative).

The posts were removed from Truth Social.

That thing Lighter shared is pretty damned surreal. A drawing of the sociopathic guy from Queens situated beside a European-featured representation of the christian nationalists' icon who by all rights (and common sense) is a swarthy-skinned Middle-Eastern man. There's a White House photo of when a bunch of those folks were in the Oval Office and stood around Trump, laying their hands on him. He apparently doesn't like to be touched (self-proclaimed germaphobe, according to various news sources). Though this handshake he offered is a good one: Melania handshake from Polish first lady

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From: Helen
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 02:33 AM

SRS, that handshake video was a scream. But would any blonde woman want to touch his hand? Not in a million years.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 11:09 AM

As a whole, the news today illustrates many ways that the GOP is crumbling. One commentator remarked that much of this started when they invited in the populist voice (and that would go back to the Tea Party). Gingrich brought incivility to the fore when he was in the House.

Americans need to be exposed to high school Civics and Social Studies courses again. So many of them don't seem to have an idea of what the various political positions are supposed to be doing and why a responsible life of service, whatever your political viewpoint, is a desirable thing.

Trump is in court for the third day. One suspects that this is about as long as he'll stick with these appearances, partly because so many eyes are averted from him, instead drawn to the drama at the Capitol, and because he'll be bored with the process in which he has no control.

Breaking news - one of the worst of the worst, Jim Jordan, has announced he wants to be Speaker of the House. #3 in the presidential succession. No way. What a complete jerk.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 01:34 PM

One of MSNBC's talking heads said of the GOP House with the removal of McCarthy and now needing a new leader: "It's like the dog caught the car." Now what. Well, GOP members who wanted McCarthy to be rescued by some votes from Democrats are moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.

In Trump World, Donald Trump's Properties Will Likely Be Auctioned Off, Attorney Says.

Donald Trump's properties will likely be liquidated and sold off at auction after a judge found he had committed fraud, New York's former assistant attorney general has said.

Tristan Snell was speaking after a court found that the former president had massively inflated the value of some of his properties and ordered that some Trump companies involved be stripped of their corporate licenses. It's one part of Trump's ongoing civil fraud trial.

"The worst outcome that could have come from this case has already been handed down, and that is for the corporate licenses to be canceled," Snell told MSNBC. "The properties are likely going to be liquidated. The properties are probably going to be sold at auction. That's probably what is going to happen. We don't know that for sure, but that is probably where this is headed. So [Trump] is already really, really in trouble."

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 05:29 PM

Just seen this on the telly:

Asked for his advice to the next House speaker, Biden laughed and said: “That’s above my pay grade.”

Now that's what I call class...   :-)

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From: Lighter
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 07:57 PM

It's this bad:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clarion-call-arms-experts-why-094501341.html

Sorry to say I know somebody like this. Highly educated too and otherwise a very decent human being.

It defies easy understanding.

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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 02:25 AM

The point about cultism is very valid. We saw it here in the UK with Boris Johnson too. There are still people who believe he was just 'one of the lads'. Sadly Jeremy Corbyn was becoming a bit of a cult amongst left wingers too and, for all he is a decent human being with good policies, he was not a god. Compare how the press treated Johnson and Corbyn and you may see how to stamp out a cult following.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 04:04 AM

...or deify/demonise a leader!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 07:05 AM

Political speech is the most protected speech in America.
So how will the limited/narrow gag orders play out?
The inevitable defiance of narrow gag orders may end up in the Supreme Court. I do not think Judges are going to pull 'the contempt of court trigger' and jail Donald.

Intimidating and defaming witnesses will be allowed or not on social media like Twitter, Truth Social or even Mudacat..
I suspect Trump's impunity and inciting speech will continue.

When assassinations of Trump's targeting technique happen, he has not been indicted as an accomplice to murder. Is it an unintended consequence or a deliberate order to attempt murder?

When the King asked...
"Can someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?" Is it a question or an order?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 08:09 AM

We'd best keep our facts straight.

There have been a very few murder attempts by MAGA fanatics, but none was at Trump's suggestion.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 09:21 AM

Then you think they are unintended consequences?

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 09:45 AM

I remind folks of the numerous mass shootings be it in a North Carolina church or Buffalo NY or Walmarts in Texas targeting Latin Americans - ALL by white supremacists. Those killed in the January 6th insurrection are more problematic yes, but one can not say the shootings by MAGA fanatics are few and far between. Those incidents are up 400%

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From: Donuel
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 10:12 AM

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency


"The blood of America is poisoned by illegal immigrants" is not saying that we should kill them does it?
Trump has called for the execution of the joint chief of staff General Milley.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 23 - 12:01 PM

Trump is using inciting language that his former attorney Michael Cohen calls "mob boss talk." It's the "meddlesome priest" that Don mentioned, I've heard that same line used by Neal Katyal and Andrew Weissmann to describe the way Trump indicates he wants things done. His rhetoric speaks volumes.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 12:11 AM

On MSNBC this evening one of the guest commentators described Trump's followers as the "MAGA jackal conference." BINGO. Nailed it.

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 06:06 AM

Trump is eligible to be Speaker but so far he is pushing for Jim Jorden who is an insurrection insider.

Trump allegedly shared nuclear sub info with an Australian businessman.

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From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 07:54 AM

Under a Republican Party rule adopted in 2005, Trump is not eligible to be speaker:

"Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted (a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed."

But let's see if they change the rule....

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From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 08:41 AM

Trump as Speaker would be like pouring gasoline on an already blazing dumpster fire.

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From: gillymor
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM

For the benefit of those that aren't familiar with the creep, he spells it "Jordan".

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 09:41 AM

Also in the event of deaths, the Speaker is third in line for the Presidency.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 10:28 AM

Trump now says he wants Jordan.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM

Infighting is so unattractive, and as entertaining as it can be for a couple of days, it sets an even nastier tone for the rest of the term. Meanwhile, the current avatar of public petting doesn't want her buddy Matt kicked out for being a douche: Lauren Boebert said it would be 'childish, vengeful' for Republicans to remove Matt Gaetz after he led McCarthy's ousting.

Politico sheds light on the Trump for speaker discussion: How Trump was talked into — and out of — a run for speaker

Just hours after Kevin McCarthy was deposed as House speaker, the “draft Trump” movement began.

“I called him and I said, ‘Sir, I’m nominating you for the speaker of the House,’” said Rep. Troy Nehls (R-Texas), describing a Tuesday call to former President Donald Trump. “I said, ‘I think that you would do a great job fixing the brokenness we see in the Congress.’”

So began a wild 48-hour scramble that saw Trump openly pondering a quixotic bid to become the first nonmember to be elected speaker before his political advisers and House allies managed to convince him it was a terrible idea.

The Trump-for-speaker bubble officially popped early Friday morning, when he took sides in the brewing battle between Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.).

Meanwhile, ever since Trump's petulant departure from the courtroom on Wednesday midday the trial has gone much smoother. And even though Trump is still trying for delays to postpone the inevitable, today some some of his executives testify.

The biggest nugget to hit the news yesterday was the over-sharing that Trump did with the Australian rich guy, who then went and told ~80 people about US nuclear submarine strategy and how close they could get to Russia undetected. Putin is saving a lot of money on spys now that Trump has been in office and after. As noted, this is a separate crime that could be charged, but in terms of proving, more difficult since it is a he said/he said kind of testimony involved.

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From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 11:16 AM

If enough first-hand witnesses say "He said," then he said.

Glimmer of hope: Nothing Trump tells anyone can be believed. Whatever he revealed was probably garbled and exaggerated.

But investigation is clearly needed.

What else has he divulged? And to whom? And did he hand out any documents?

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From: Helen
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 02:55 PM

Donald Trump accused of sharing nuclear submarine details with Australian billionaire Anthony Pratt

"Former US president Donald Trump reportedly discussed "potentially sensitive" details of America's nuclear submarine program with an Australian billionaire.

"The American ABC news outlet reported that Mr Trump told Anthony Pratt the supposed number of nuclear warheads on US subs, and how close they could get to a Russian submarine without being detected.

"The conversation is said to have taken place at Mr Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida, several months after he left office.

"ABC — which is not affiliated with ABC in Australia — also reported that Mr Pratt allegedly then shared the information with at least 45 people, including journalists and employees, as well as 10 Australian officials and three former prime ministers."

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From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 03:30 PM

The Trump campaign doesn't deny it, just says he did nothing wrong (because of "context") and always insists on (wait for it)...

"Truth and transparency."

Yesterday Trump retweeted a post claiming that the judge in his fraud case was swigging gin from a bottle during the trial.

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 05:20 PM

FOX News Gutfeld said on air that elections don't work and calls for civil war to crush their opponents.

Why? Because the Republicans and the Supreme Court
know they can not win elections. Civil War may now be the Thanksgiving conversation at dinner this year. The unrepentants are the clear minority. Those who love their family's safety outnumber the fear-crazed. People want their sports more than civil war.

An Appellate Court temporarily halts dissolution of NY Trump business'

Then again I did not think Trumpers would attack the Capitol.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 06:27 PM

When I heard his promise that "It will be wild!" I bet my wife 2 to 1 that's exactly what they would do.

Unfortunately I was correct.

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Oct 23 - 07:54 PM

" When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.”

quote Abraham Lincoln

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 23 - 10:54 AM

The court itself was going to delay the dissolution of the Trump properties in anticipation of an appeal, so that isn't news for anyone. But Trump will spin it as a victory.

I'm of the opinion that the only reason Melania is still married to Donald is because he's so busy going to lots of places away from wherever home is this time of year that he's not interfering in her part of the house. If he finally stops running for office, I'm betting she's out of there, though I wonder if she has managed to set aside any of those millions to live on later? Past Presidents have means to make an income, but I don't know if that applies to all past first ladies. Michelle Obama and Hillary certainly landed on both feet financially, but they have skills. Laura Bush was always the helpful spouse (though she did work as a librarian right out of college.) Jimmy and Rosalynn travel as a pair in everything and have enough, but Melania would never be content to live in a small house in a small town like Rosalynn Carter.

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From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 23 - 05:12 PM

Speaking of Trump familial accomplishments, Lara Trump released a song cover of 'I Won't Back Down'. The Paranormal Channel has video of Tom Petty spinning in his grave.

added to the Trump Glossary; zilot - an idiot zealot,
weapon-grade idiots - slang for Proud Boys,
Idiocrasy - Republican version of Democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Oct 23 - 05:24 PM

You don't get indicted for this stuff, but if you're running for president, probably you should:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-shows-love-hannibal-lecter-042941582.html

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From: Donuel
Date: 08 Oct 23 - 08:12 PM

Hannibal Lecter ate the brains of an FBI agent, something else Donald might like.

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From: Helen
Date: 08 Oct 23 - 08:38 PM

Maybe Trump has a hidden cache of FBI brains at Mar A Lago.

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From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 23 - 09:14 AM

I do worry that US white nationalists aka the American Taliban, becoming emboldened by the Hamas attacks.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 23 - 10:09 AM

I think you have that in reverse. The American Taliban ("Christian" Nationalists) have emboldened terrorists around the world. Trump did that.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 12:17 AM

Judge in Trump's New York fraud trial explains why there's no jury

Trump has complained that he didn't get a chance for a jury. The judge says no.

Engoron is presiding over the bench trial of a $250 million lawsuit filed in 2022 by New York Attorney General Letitia James, in which she accused Trump, two of his sons, their company and other executives of years of widespread fraud. Engoron said that in paperwork certifying that the case was ready for trial, James' office checked a box suggesting it be a non-jury proceeding.

Trump's team had 15 days to oppose that, but did not, Engoron said, because there was no point in doing so.

"It would not have helped to make a motion. Nobody forgot to check off a box," Engoron said.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 12:22 AM

He's also a total ass when it comes to maintaining a diplomatic and presidential demeanor regarding the atrocities in Israel:
‘Netanyahu let us down’: Trump chides Israel just days after attack
Subhead: His meandering remarks were the most extensive since the deadly weekend attacks.
Photo cutline: Donald Trump didn't use the word “Israel” until almost 20 minutes into his speech, after criticizing his 2024 GOP rivals and praising supporters.

PALM BEACH, Fla. — He criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and called Hezbollah “very smart.” Both less than a week after the attack on Israel.

It was, as billed, a speech about the atrocities abroad. In the most Trumpian way possible.

Speaking to more than 3,500 supporters at a Palm Beach, Fla., convention center, former President Donald Trump spent nearly two hours recounting how he helped move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and boasted about signing the Abraham Accords, which formalized diplomatic relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.

But he also meandered among various topics, zig-zagging from the weekend terrorist attack in Israel that has captured the world’s attention to criticisms of his GOP rivals, crime in Washington, D.C., boasts about rising in the polls despite multiple indictments and even mentioned the assault on former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul.

Throughout his speech, Trump, who leads his GOP presidential rivals, painted a picture of an alternate universe he thought would have existed had he been reelected in 2020 instead of President Joe Biden.

“Israel would be flourishing, they would have no problem,” he said. “Iran would have never played that game.”

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 07:39 AM

Sez Trump about his personal troubles: "I think most people get it" and "This is a terrible thing that is happening to our country." (That's even larger than a Royal We when he=our country)

Trump demands ‘full apology’ from Forbes after dropping off wealthiest Americans list

He just doesn't get it.