BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 11:24 AM

3pm Eastern the circus begins, is my understanding. I expect to be at the gym but I can pull up MSNBC on my phone.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 12:54 PM

MSNBC has gone silly with their red and black American flag set and the deca box of contributors. It's like their version of the Super Bowl. Now they are doing micro-stories about yellow police tape vs. hardened barriers like 'bike racks'.
This is a good time to mow the grass.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 01:24 PM

Trump's getting arraigned at the court house
ding dong the fur is going to fly
there won't be some hand cuffs
or perp walks with rough stuff
so get me to the court on time...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 01:48 PM

Now they have endless live coverage of three black SUVs led by a police car, going down the highway. It reminds me of OJ's white Bronco followed by police cars.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 04:41 PM

No bail, no passport seizure, no mugshot, no return to court date.
The goalposts are on roller skates. The ex-Republican President has a congress that is willing to ignore, delay and lie for him as the rule of law is symbolically applied.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 05:15 PM

There are difficulties about Trump discussing the case with many witnesses (he's not supposed to), since so many of them work for him. First among that group is his main henchman Nauta, who moved boxes so many times. Trump ordered to not speak with Walt Nauta, witnesses about documents case: reports.

Nauta was having trouble getting an attorney, so his pleading in this is in two weeks' time. Depending on how difficult things are for him, his loyalty to the Golem of the White House is being tested. If he flips, that makes things a lot easier for him (but the death threats from the MAGA crowd will follow.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 05:58 PM

If Trump faces a jury, he has to be found guilty by a unanimous verdict. Anyone betting on that? In addition, no conviction can stop him from running again and becoming your next president. He has as much public support for the Republican candidature as all the other candidates put together. Seems to me that it's all been left too late. Had he been behind bars for the last twelve or eighteen months, it would be very different. So it looks like it's all in the hands of those seventy million emptyheads who are sure to vote for him again.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 05:59 PM

All it takes is one fanatic that is as unhinged as Trump Tower's revolving front door.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 06:04 PM

There is a conviction that would bar him from holding office.
Do you want to guess or shall I tell you?

Hint: he has done it already.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 07:33 PM

The sedition charge is going to come in Washington, D.C., and the head of the Proud Boys, who is now serving a long term after being found guilty of sedition, is predicting that Trump will also be found guilty.

There are many ways this can play out. You need to look into the history of how the Justice Department got Spiro Agnew out of the vice presidency before Nixon was taken down. If he'd become president it would have been hell to pay, but they convinced him to resign and no longer run in order to make all of the charges go away. That kind of leverage is still available to the Justice Department.

Anyone found guilty of sedition can not hold any elected office in the federal government. Even if there was a federal dog catcher.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jun 23 - 08:03 PM

The Documents case for Dummies:
This case is about the Fed Bath and Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Trump asked his lawyer about committing a crime. The Lawyer said No, Crime bad.
Donald did it anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jun 23 - 01:14 PM

Does the American justice system make use of the concept 'contempt of court'? I have never see more contempt of the court process than Donald Trump's speech last night expressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 23 - 03:13 PM

I think it actually has to happen either in the court, or flying in the face of instructions given by the court about speech regarding the case during the case.

Trump and his son-in-law meddled in Israel, a place that has way too much privilege in connection with the US. Israeli travel in US - with no visas? I wonder if the US is going to pull the US Embassy back out of Jerusalem where Trump put it, despite the political fallout? The whole thing should be moved back to Tel Aviv.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 23 - 05:00 PM

It is said Trump is running for a pardon from a Republican 'winner'.
He uses 'Godfather speak' to ask others to harm witnesses and opponents.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 05:32 AM

Take heed, USAians. This is how we do it in the UK :-D

From the Sky News site

"A parliamentary inquiry has concluded that Boris Johnson knowingly misled parliament multiple times with his statements about parties in Downing Street during the COVID pandemic.

The privileges committee of MPs found Mr Johnson's breaches serious enough to recommend a suspension of 90 days if he were still an MP - far exceeding the period needed to trigger a recall petition and possible by-election.

In the highly anticipated report, published this morning, the committee found that Mr Johnson:

• Misled the house on multiple occasions

• Committed further contempt in his conduct by impugning the committee - thereby undermining the democratic process of the House

• Was complicit in the campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation of the committee

In a further sanction, the committee also recommended that Mr Johnson should not be granted a former member's pass to parliament following his resignation as an MP. "

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 07:54 AM

I only put the Johnson thing on to compare the treatment of the two. Let's keep the Bozo arguments on the UK politics thread eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 10:47 AM

The posts that arrived between the last two of Dave's were moved to the UK thread. I'm sure that's a topic people will want to mine some more, but on that other stage is better.

A similarity in US and UK politics, though, is the amount of Russian interference. It has been stated (by whom I don't remember) that the Russian interference in social media with bots spouting political crap was hugely responsible in influencing people to vote for Brexit. They were being sneaky about it. With regard to Trump and things like disabling (or even leaving) NATO, the War in Ukraine, treatment of Iran and the nuclear treaty he dismantled, etc., the Russians visited him in the White House and told him what they wanted. He shared state secrets with them, and said he trusted Russia more than the FBI.

I really really hope the FBI and the State Department are fingerprinting every document they took from Trump's house to see who all touched them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 01:07 PM

"Rules, laws and taxes are for losers and suckers"
quote: An ex-President of the USA

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 02:00 PM

Nicole Wallace on MSNBC rattles off her description of 45 when she speaks about him - something along the lines of "the twice impeached, twice indicted, sexual assaulter ex-president of the United States."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 03:50 PM

I tried to make a comparison here between what Trump is doing and what Boris Johnson is doing. I drew parallels between what these two men are doing and I think it's a comparison that is well worth making and well worth thinking about. There are several similarities between their actions which could potentially have a large impact on western politics. I really don't know why you moved that post. I did try to keep it on topic with regard to Trump. Ho hum, Maggie.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 04:52 PM

(*ahem*) I think you'll find the message in question here, Steve; threads as displayed appear to be sorted by datestamp, so your transplanted one will appear before entries on the same target thread written later in time. That threw me for a wee while too, till I checked the in-message Subject lines.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 04:54 PM

When Boris has an armed insurrection get back to us.

Our last insurrection had a snowball's chance in hell. Talking heads are saying expect another one, once Trump loses this case or two.
I think another one will have a snowball's chance on the Sun.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 04:57 PM

Doesn't really compare. Boris had some mates round for a few sausage rolls and vol au vents and lied about it. Trump tried to get a mob to end democracy in America.
The other difference is of course that the tories have chucked BJ out. Trump on the other hand is the front runner for the Republican nomination.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 05:14 PM

They both lie relentlessly to keep power so the comparison is valid, Al. Your reasoning could end up excusing Trump because he's not as bad as Putin!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 05:21 PM

I've heard de Pfeffel described today as "Poundland Trump". But if you want a fuller compare-and-contrast:

See the ex-leaders' rest home,
The home for the mad and the bad,
Where Boris would love to be Donald,
And Donald would love to be Vlad.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jun 23 - 07:17 PM

Our dog's badder than your dog
Our dog's badder than yours
Our dog's badder cause he gives secrets out
Our dog's badder than yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 12:26 AM

'Your reasoning could end up excusing Trump because he's not as bad as Putin!'

I've got to admit I find the current crop of tories, not as distasteful as the ones of the Thatcher era. Surely any progress a political party makes is to be applauded.

Don't get me wrong I know where my loyalties lie. However that the tory grandees have got rid of BJ speaks volumes. Plus I think the partygate bollocks shows how much Labour fear his populism and charisma.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 01:00 PM

I wish Tom Lehrer would start writing songs again. Randy Rainbow does a good job, but I'd love to see Lehrer's spin on Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 05:16 PM

This article never refers to Trump by name, but instead uses comical monikers and references to his past misdemeanors and failures:

Florida man insists he didn't violate the law by keeping Top Secret docs

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 06:25 PM

What is popular among talking heads with no new news to report, is discussing the possible defense strategies for Trump and then dissecting them to death. Only the coming realities will be worth discussing.

Imagine yourself for one reason or another you went all in for Trump.
Admitting his or your own evil is as problematic as hell. It is easier to feel righteous and become more vindictive. You might want to jail all your opponents. You might want to kill. Progressives should not give them more ammunition.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jun 23 - 09:31 PM

The Complete GUIDE TO THE MAGA CULTURE WAR:


Pardon all convicts victimized by Democratic weaponization of law
Victimize and destroy any opponent by way of weaponizing law
Defund FBI, DOJ, and replace the CONSTITUTION
Destroy all woke books, media, and Democracy
Make MAGA history the only true history
Keep .... the following goals a secret
Take away all women's right to vote
REMOVE WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO HEALTHCARE
Remove all women's right to serve
Make our President serve for life
Make minorities NOT MATTER
Make blacks slaves again
Remove the courts
Burn the jew

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jun 23 - 10:37 AM

Trump and McConnell et al are the talking heads propelled by the Koch brothers and the Federalist Society and more.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 17 Jun 23 - 11:09 AM

Agent Orange is more like their useful idiot, SRS. I've no idea whether Messrs Dunning and Kruger have weighed in on that Stable Genius^TM yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jun 23 - 12:56 PM

The disabled genius has promised a mass retribution against the indicters. The revenge of the turd will make the wrath of Con look like Snow White.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jun 23 - 04:49 PM

The wrath of con?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Monique
Date: 18 Jun 23 - 05:06 PM

Dave, when I saw it I read it as an English/French mix that would translate in French as "La colère des cons" and in English as "The wrath of the idiots/plonkers/assholes" (you get the meaning...). But Donuel will give us the proper meaning!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jun 23 - 07:01 PM

Con means cunt. Ignore the euphemisers.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 02:20 AM

Language Timothy! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 04:23 AM

I'm never a c-er and f-er in my posts (unlike in real life) but I'm not a fan of pusillanimous euphemisms, still less of that silly use of asterisks, as in f*** off. I enjoy taking the p*iss out of the daft b*ugg*ers who do that by leaving all the letters in whilst sticking in the asterisks anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 04:54 AM

One of my trade euphemisms is "fsck": it's the name of the file-system checker in UNIX Classic, but is often seen as a term of frustration (if you have to invoke the program at the command line, you are by definition already having a Bad Day). One of the most hilarious exchanges on a certain technical talker involved one of the regulars logging on and fulminating at length about the "fsckwits" in management, whose wetware was clearly suffering bit rot.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Helen
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 05:11 AM

Can we stick to the topic and be civilised, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 06:09 AM

nerd-turd, Khan-con, etc. We know some folks are not a fan of anything. There's more talk about pardons that conviction among Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 06:39 AM

Chris Christi calls Trump a 9 year old petulant child. John Meechum calls him a highjacker cheered by the highjacked. Psychologists call him a narcissistic psychopath. HIS FORMER ADVISORS call him dangerous.
The military says he can/t be trusted. I say psychopaths are glib, cleverly charming for self-importance and dangerous to varying degrees.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 06:45 AM

‘Cleverly charming’? Trump?? A cold, day-old dog-turd has more intelligence and charm than Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 06:58 AM

Like Trump, a narcissist will aggrandize their own name.
They do not like to be called out for who they actually are.
They can not control their revenge.

Among the Narcissist Checklist, here are some defining traits that usually indicate you are dealing with a narcissist:
Being self-enamored, self-absorbed
A strong need for control
Demonstrating low levels of empathy
An attitude of entitlement
Chronically mismanaged anger
Manipulative or exploitive behavior
Feeling superiority over others
Living in an alternate reality
Being pathologically defensive.

https://survivingnarcissism.tv/the-narcissist-checklist/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 07:24 AM

Yes, come along now, ladies and gents. Helen and I want y'all to be civilised. Though it could be argued that it isn't easy when discussing one of the most uncivilised people on the world stage...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 07:25 AM

Clearly, followers who fall for the narcissist are not highly evolved or find a personal advantage for themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 07:35 AM

Do I detect an attempt at charm?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 07:47 AM

"Clearly, followers who fall for the narcissist are not highly evolved"

Not helpful. Misguided, lacking in political education or both would be better. Referring to human beings as being lower on the evolutionary ladder smacks of a form of racism.

Incidentally, in discussing Trump I think we should call him Trump, not the Orange One, the narcissist, Agent Orange, etc. We can't be dispassionate or particularly objective when we insist on using these loaded terms. It's a free country, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN (NO new Trmp threads) 2
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jun 23 - 08:09 AM

Being pathologically defensive is a trait of narcissism.
I do not know where narcissists are on an evolutionary ladder or how their traits may be an advantage to survival of the species under various circumstances. They are a danger in a nuclear weapon civilization.