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Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Oct 23 - 05:29 PM

Just seen this on the telly:

Asked for his advice to the next House speaker, Biden laughed and said: “That’s above my pay grade.”

Now that's what I call class...   :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 10:18 PM

> As long as they keep supporting Trump, they are irrelevant.

*Agree*, Stilly: the Eight Dwarves are not so much leading as following from the front. But they (and Trump, for that matter) have a tiger-by-the-tail problem: once you're at the head of a zombie army, it's unwise to stumble.

Hm: four metaphors in one paragraph. Is this a record?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Aug 23 - 10:33 PM

> If it is Trump, he doesn't ever know he has done wrong

He doesn't ever *admit* he's done wrong, Helen. I'm no shrink, but methinks that smacked-bottom face is his subconscious trying to get through to him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Aug 23 - 08:35 AM

> It probably takes someone like Trump to normalize the unthinkable.

Normalising the unthinkable is the standard MO of antisocial meeja, and TV and newspapers before that, and all for the same reason: outrage drives income. The Orange Buffoon is, after all, at least partly the product of (un)reality TV .... *how* long did he spend in Makeup before that mugshot?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Sep 23 - 10:01 PM

> It isn't an impeachment, it is an impeachment inquiry.

Thanks for noting the distinction, SRS: that had escaped our notice here. But it does mean the I word gets put in a headline, so the offender's fanbase salivates on queue.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 18 Sep 23 - 11:57 AM

> Maybe he thinks he did beat Obama.

Given that [according to legend] he stood the first time because Obama teased him in public ....

.... then again, that statement may just be a side-effect of them-and-us-itis.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Sep 23 - 09:10 AM

Meanwhile, here's some context for Trump's actions (from the Washington Post, which I can't access, via RISKS Digest, which I can), which explains the fœtid waters he swims in:

Misinformation research is buckling under GOP legal attacks (WashPost)

Academics, universities and government agencies are overhauling or
ending research programs designed to counter the spread of online
misinformation amid a legal campaign from conservative politicians and
activists who accuse them of colluding with tech companies to censor
right-wing views.

The escalating campaign --- led by Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and other
Republicans in Congress and state government --- has cast a pall over
programs that study not just political falsehoods but also the quality
of medical information online.

Facing litigation, Stanford University officials are discussing how
they can continue tracking election-related misinformation through the
Election Integrity Partnership (EIP), a prominent consortium that
flagged social media conspiracies about voting in 2020 and 2022,
several participants told The Washington Post. The coalition of
disinformation researchers may shrink and also may stop communicating
with X and Facebook about their findings.

The National Institutes of Health froze a $150 million program intended
to advance the communication of medical information, citing regulatory
and legal threats. Physicians told The Post that they had planned to
use the grants to fund projects on noncontroversial topics such as
nutritional guidelines and not just politically charged issues such as
vaccinations that have been the focus of the conservative allegations.

NIH officials sent a memo in July to some employees, warning them not
to flag misleading social media posts to tech companies and to limit
their communication with the public to answering medical questions.

Personal opinion: This is the hidden face of Cancel Culture. Welcome to Room 101.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Sep 23 - 10:33 PM

There has been no constitutional authorization for the Biden investigation. It is nothing more than Republicans pretending to hold impeachment hearings because Kevin McCarthy said so.

That methinks is of a piece with the entire Trump charade: all smoke, mirrors and Cable TV newsbites.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Helen
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 11:36 PM

Donald Trump to testify in New York fraud trial, along with children Ivanka, Donald Jr and Eric

Key points:

* The lawsuit alleges Mr Trump overstated his wealth for years on financial statements
* Mr Trump denies any wrongdoing and has called the trial a politically motivated sham
* The case could strip Mr Trump of some corporate holdings and marquee properties such as Trump Tower

And in the last part of the article there is an interesting analysis of why Ivanka's testimony is deemed relevant, even though "her lawyers may appeal to try to block her testimony".

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From: Helen
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 02:19 PM

I forgot to say that the photo of Ivanka in the article I mentioned looks like an AI generated image and not a photo of a real live human. Is she a real live human? I wonder! LOL

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From: Helen
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 08:02 PM

Sorry, that was the comment about Ivanka that I've tried to post in the Trump thread. I didn't mean to start the discussion about her in this one. I posted it here my mistake.

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From: Charmion
Date: 30 Oct 23 - 04:09 PM

Helen, I've always wondered that. I think Ivanka looks like something made of extruded plastic.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Oct 23 - 11:48 AM

I noticed this the other day

Trump Denies Sidney Powell Was Ever His Lawyer

Surely that is a dangerous claim for him to make. As she was obviously on his legal team she would have been under a lawyer/clent confidentiality agreement. Now he has said she never was on his legal team, anything she heard in confidence is no longer under wraps. Or am I missing something?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 23 - 10:43 AM

If you have ever baled hay you know what haywire means when applied to the Republican House. It is a wasteful horrid tangled mess that requires wire cutters and starting over.

Subject: BS: Halloween '23
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 23 - 09:57 AM

Orange jumpsuits and Trump masks are selling out in DC.
Biden costumes are just old man-tyme outfits.

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From: Donuel
Date: 23 Oct 23 - 06:21 AM

9 more candidates have thrown their hat in the ring for Speaker.
Only Emmet is best known. I fear the winner will only be an anonymous hat. I don't know if the rules will allow a hat to be elected.;*/
In 2 weeks...
The US government shutdown and the Israel invasion will probably coincide.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 07:00 AM

Mark Meadows took an immunity deal from the prosecutors. A plea deal is different from immunity which can immediately put Mark in prison if he lies again. Those indicted and taking deals in Georgia are like dominos falling and should now testify against Trump.

The made for TV Republican Congressmen are no longer characters in Game of Thrones but are behaving like Southpark kids.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 03:41 PM

Trump has hissy fit in court

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 04:39 PM

After Trump stormed out of court, the judge has now called all the lawyers back into court including Donald. The judge is back in control of his courtroom but I have no idea what he is saying or doing right now.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 05:28 PM

Trump approved and election denier Mr. Johnson became Speaker by one vote. Trump warned, "do not shut the door on my Johnson". Democrats call Johnson a Jim Jordan but with a sports coat.

Meadows will testify as to Trump's intent/Mens Rea.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 23 - 06:18 PM

Trump is reliving a time in his prime when the Teflon Don won three straight lawsuits in a row in standing-room-only NYC courtrooms and streets full of cheering crowds. At night there were fireworks celebrations. It is not turning out that way for Trump as it did for John Gotti. The fourth indictment put John away for life.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Oct 23 - 10:57 AM

That secret vote tanked Jordan's hopes. If they were able to conduct a secret vote for the new speaker they could probably put Jeffries in place in one vote even if he is from the "other" party. Same with someone like Liz Cheney.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 23 - 11:32 AM

Former Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis pleads guilty in Georgia case

At an unscheduled hearing in Atlanta, Ellis pleaded guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements, a felony stemming from the election lies that Ellis and other Donald Trump lawyers peddled to Georgia lawmakers in December 2020.

She was sentenced to five years of probation and ordered to pay $5,000 in restitution.

Ellis delivered a tearful statement to the judge Tuesday while pleading guilty, disavowing her participation in Trump’s unprecedented attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

“If I knew then what I knew now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post-election challenges. I look back on this experience with deep remorse,” Ellis said, her voice breaking at times. . . . The plea from Ellis implicated Giuliani in a state crime – lying to Georgia legislators by peddling false voter-fraud theories. This comes one week after Chesebro implicated Giuliani in the fake electors scheme that tried to subvert the Electoral College process. Giuliani denies wrongdoing.

According to court filings, Ellis admitted that she “intentionally aided and abetted” Giuliani and another Trump lawyer, Ray Smith, in “in knowingly, willfully, and unlawfully making … false statements to members of the Georgia Senate.”

That's three lawyers and the bail bondsman so far, of the 19 originally charged. So far these folks are getting off really light with probation and fines.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 23 - 11:50 AM

His gag order says he can't say anything nasty about the co-conspirators or witnesses (and now she is both) so I guess the best he can do is deny her existence.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Oct 23 - 10:54 PM

Cassidy Hutchinson was on the Ari Melber program on MSNBC this evening - he timed it because today another network broke a story that former Chief of Staff Meadows was granted immunity by Jack Smith in that Washington, D.C. trial. Hutchinson plays her cards pretty close to the vest, not sharing information that isn't already out there (from the hearings or her book - there is still information that will probably never be shared publicly for security reasons) but she generally thinks it is past time for Meadows to come clean and cooperate.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 04:29 PM

The judge fined him another $10,000 for ignoring the gag order. And though under cross examination Trump's attorney was able to show that Cohen had lied twice in the Senate hearings (before he was charged and pleaded guilty, etc.) but as the commentators noted, under later examination Cohen "was able to square that circle" and testify why the earlier testimony was a lie. I think he was still on the Trump team at that time.

It has been noted that this New York trial isn't the one that would include jail time (in the penalty), UNLESS it is jail time during the trial due to breaking the gag order. I'm guessing there is money bet on Trump's behavior and that outcome - more fines, or possibly jail.

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 23 - 12:14 AM

According to CNN, Fani Willis has discussed plea deals with six more of the Trump co-defendants in Georgia.

The strategy by District Attorney Fani Willis’ office is clear: get as many co-defendants as possible to flip on the former president, leaving Trump and perhaps a few close allies on the hot seat. . . .A source with knowledge of the Fulton County DA’s strategy tells CNN that it would be open to discussing plea deals with anyone, but there is little room for compromise when it comes to the charges against Trump.

"The first to squeal gets the deal."

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From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Nov 23 - 03:33 PM

The Trump kids are having to testify this week. First up, Don, Jr. Donald Trump Jr. is testifying at the Trump fraud trial in New York. Here's what to know.

The former president's eldest son began testifying shortly before 3 p.m. Wednesday afternoon after hours of testimony by expert witnesses earlier in the day. Eric Trump, Ivanka Trump and their father Donald Trump are also expected to be sworn in to testify under oath in the coming days.

The Trump Organization, the former president and his two adult sons are accused of engaging in a fraud scheme that netted them hundreds of millions of dollars by falsely inflating property valuations, and Donald Trump's wealth, in deals with banks and insurers. Ivanka Trump was named as a defendant when the state's lawsuit was filed in September 2022, but a New York court later dismissed the claims against her for being outside the statute of limitations.

The judge has not allowed TV cameras to film the trial, meaning his questioning is not being live-streamed. CBS News has reporters on the scene to witness his testimony, and this story will be updated with the latest developments.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 01:32 PM

They're flippin' like hotcakes. The major issue will be to prove intent.

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From: Lighter
Date: 24 Oct 23 - 12:29 PM

I really think he's going senile. This is just a sample of his latest:

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-us-spelling-genius-b2434774.html

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From: Lighter
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 02:04 PM

Another gem this week:

“I’m a very handsome person. So I guess a lot of you want to sit and look at me. It’s a beauty pageant. It’s amazing.”

Subject: RE: BS: Trump INDICTED AGAIN x4 (NO new Trmp threads)
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 05:31 PM

EBarnacle, I'm not surprised to read that.

I made the interesting mistake of having the sound muted all the way off
when recently surfing through television channels.

And what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but Donald Trump before a live audience somewhere.

Silent, mind you. The audience was obviously giving sustained applause.
And Trump stood there grinning like the Cheshire Cat
and vibrating as though he were purring like one as well.
An unforgettable image.

And no, I didn't turn the sound on, in response.