DT Attribution & Minor Corrections - recorded msgs

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 01:18 AM

THE EDMUND FITZGERALD should properly be called THE WRECK OF THE EDMUND FITZGERALD.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 10:33 PM

"Lost Jimmy Whelan 2" has lots of OCR errors. Corrected text in this message (click).
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Sep 07 - 08:19 AM

MANSION ON THE HILL was written by Hank Williams and Fred Rose, not Jim Reeves. See this thread.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 04:16 PM

Hi, Susan - looks like we have two DT songs titled "Still I Love Him 2" - I think they're identical, but it's hard for me to see them side-by-side on this laptop.
-Joe-

Subject: DT Correction: Finlandia
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 01:14 AM

Corrected typos for lyrics of "Finlandia"


FINLANDIA
(Words, Lloyd Stone; Music Jean Sibelius)

This is my song, O God of all the nations
A song of peace, for lands afar and mine
This is my home, the country where my heart is
Here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine
But other hearts in other lands are beating
With hopes and dreams as true and high as mine

My country's skies are bluer than the ocean
And sunlight beams on clover leaf and pine
But other lands have sunlight too, and clover
And skies are everywhere as blue as mine
O hear my song, thou God of all the nations
A song of peace for their land and for mine

performed by the Indigo Girls on their first self-titled EP.
@patriotic
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Subject: DT Correction: Jolly Tinker 2
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 02:34 PM

The DT version of "Jolly Tinker 2" is taken from
Traditional American Folk Songs, Warner and Warner
Collected from Lena Bourne Fish
The warner book has one additional verse:


THE JOLLY TINKER 2

I am a jolly tinker That goes from town to town,
I will mend your pots and kettles If you'll only bring them 'round.

Chorus:
Tu-ra-laddy, tu-ra-laddy,
Tu-ra-laddy hi-row.

I know how to solder And I can mend a pot,
I can also stop a hole So it will not leak a drop.

I can mend umbrellas And I can tinker a clock,
The housewives are all smiles When they see the tinker stop.

A tinker never marries, Has a girl in every town,
And they shower me with kisses As they bring their kettles down.

They feast me and regale me With choicest meats and wine,
At whatever house I stop at I can always sup and dine.

So many wait my coming, For I have many friends,
I never stored much gold, Yet I have a lot to spend.

My life is wild and free And I do not seek renown,
I'm just a jolly tinker With a girl in every town.

From Traditional American Folk Songs, Warner and Warner
Collected from Lena Bourne Fish, 1940
@work @rambling
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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM

The song that is called SAINT BRENDAN'S VOYAGE in the DT should actually be called ST. BRENDAN'S FAIR ISLE. (It is correctly attributed to Jimmie Driftwood.)

There is a different song called ST. BRENDAN'S VOYAGE by Christy Moore. The lyrics are here:
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=38251#536819

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I'd disagree - the Jimmie Driftwood Americana box set says the song title is "St. Brendon's Isle (The World's Largest Fish)"
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Nov 07 - 03:32 AM

While we're on the subject of Jimmie Driftwood, He Had a Long Chain On is the proper title of "Long Chain On" - and the songwriter was Jimmie Driftwood.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 02:13 AM

"On the Road to Fairfax County"
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is by David Massengill - note spelling of songwriter name

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 06:45 PM

The DT transcription of Tommy Thompson's "Hot Buttered Rum" has some mondegreens. You'll find a much better transcription in this post from the ever-reliable rich r.
I wonder where Rich has been lately.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 08:00 AM

The song that's called GREEN GREEN, IT'S GREEN THEY SAY in the DT should actually be called GREEN GREEN. It was written by Barry McGuire and Randy Sparks, and was recorded by The New Christy Minstrels.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Dec 07 - 06:15 PM

The song that's called CANAAN'S LAND in the DT should actually be called TO CANAAN'S LAND I'M ON MY WAY. It was written by William M. Golden in 1914. There is a more complete text posted by Masato here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 08 - 03:37 PM

"Two-Cent Coal" appears twice bin both the online and DOS versions of the database.

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Also, not corrections and tune from Snuffy for Mike Heron's The Hedgehog Song
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Jan 08 - 05:55 AM

Joe

That Hedgehog ABC plays at half speed on the ABC converter at Folkinfo, but if you change it to M:2/4 and L:1/16 it's much nearer the right tempo.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jan 08 - 09:48 PM

Corrected lyrics and tune for "Poor Murdered Woman" are here (click).

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"Cornish Lads" appears twice in the 2007 database, both with the same filename, CORNLADS The lyrics are identical, but the one entry has better background notes. There is a tune in Mudcat MIDIs, none in the DT. -Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 07:04 PM

In LADS O' THE FAIR, what appears to be the first 2 lines of verse 2 are actually the last 2 lines of the chorus. Verse 2 should begin with "Come, Geordie, lead the pony…."

Also, the number of lines per verse appears to vary, but this is only because of the arbitrary and inconsistent placement of the line breaks.

There is a better copy of the lyrics at Dick Gaughan's web site.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 01:16 AM

Garing @ Typo in second-last verse of "Crawdad." - also in the third verse.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 11:51 AM

A song by Ron Angel is in the DT twice under different titles:

PROCESS MAN and I. C. I. SONG (CHEMICAL WORKERS SONG).

The first one has one more verse.

There's not necessarily anything wrong with having two versions, but you might want to cross-reference them somehow (if that's possible).

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 06:01 PM

My song OLD BILL PICKETT is in the DT twice once as that and once as just BILL PICKETT, and I forget which one of them attributes it to me, the other has no attribution.


Mark Ross

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Corrected lyrics are in this thread (click).
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 03 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM

MEAN TALKING BLUES, which is attributed to Woody Guthrie in the DT, is actually an anti-Guthrie parody by Art Thieme, which was originally posted here. The real MEAN TALKING BLUES, written by Guthrie, is given later in the same thread, here, although that copy has a few gaps.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Jun 08 - 08:11 AM

THE CLOAKMAMER'S UNION is a misspelling for CLOAKMAKER'S UNION.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Jun 08 - 07:05 PM

De Colores - note spelling corrections in this message. What we have, is a little embarrassing...
Or maybe it's just that the song and the Spanish language are better-known here on the West Coast.

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The DT is missing two of Bob Nolan's verses for "Cool Water." The complete, corrected version is here (click).

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Oh, That Low Bridge
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songwriters (Edward Harrigan & David Braham)
publication date: 1885

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IMPORTANT: Please note songwriter Richard Nardin's corrections to "The Piper's Refrain" in this thread (click).
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Jul 08 - 06:07 PM

Don McLean's name is misspelled (as McClean) at VINCENT (STARRY, STARRY NIGHT).

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Aug 08 - 03:49 PM

The Banks of Sweet Dundee (2) has a number of OCR errors. I posted a corrected version here (click).

String Band Disaster needs Bob Clayton's name in parentheses after title for indexing.
Same with Glory Train and A World of Time.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 07:39 AM

MY HEART IS IN IRELAND was written by Brian Warfield (according to Allmusic.com).

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM

NO MAN'S LAND (3) (a parody) has Fintan Vallely's name misspelled (as "Valaly").

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Sep 08 - 07:33 PM

Note: DIE GUTE KAMERAD
filename[ KAMRADEN

Correct name for the song is DER GUTE KAMERAD

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Sep 08 - 03:40 PM

CROSS THE BRAZOS FROM WACO:

The correct title is CROSS THE BRAZOS AT WACO. (And that's the phrase that occurs in the lyrics also.)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 08 - 05:14 PM

The DT has two identical entries for "The Minstrel," by Graham and Eileen Pratt. One entry has a tune, and the other does not. In addition, the lyrics are missing one verse.
Please remove the two, and replace them with the corrected lyrics posted by Jeri in this thread (click)

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This thread (click) has spelling and wording corrections for Tom Paxton's "I Am Changing My Name to Chrysler."

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There are problems with the dashes in "Casabianca" - they appear as strange characters in the DOS DT, and disappear completely in the online DT. I reformatted the poem in the first post of this thread (click), so the lyrics should work correctly when you copy-paste.

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Note This thread about the DT song with the filename "Hobboots" - all the DT has is part of an ABC tune, no lyrics.

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Dooley (filename: DOOLEY) was written by Mitch Jayne and Rodney Dillard, recorded by the Killards and the Kingston Trio. The Digital Tradition has no attribution.

Thanks.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 11:17 AM

The song that's called A TRUE STORY in the DT, and attributed to "Kate Clinton, John McCutcheon, & Betsy Rose" is nearly identical to THE RED CORVETTE at John McCutcheon's web site. There, it says "words & music by John McCutcheon."

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 09:33 AM

JOHNSON'S MOTOR CAR is incorrectly spelled GAR in the title.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 03:41 PM

Fred Wedlock's name is misspelled (as Wsdlock) in THE FOLKER.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 08:05 AM

The songwriter of these songs is identified as "Andy Stewart":

THE FISHERMAN'S SONG
GOLDEN, GOLDEN
THE CHILL EASTERN WINDS
LOVERS HEART

It would be better to list him as "Andy M. Stewart" to avoid confusing him with the older (and deceased) Andy Stewart.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Nov 08 - 12:49 PM

KEEWANAW LIGHT should be spelled KEWEENAW, and the towns mentioned in the lyrics should be Ahmeek (not Ahneek) and Laurium (not Lorean).

See Wikipedia.

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Note: Definitive lyrics were obtained from songwriter Craig Johnson, and I think that's what we should have in the Digital Tradition. You will find the corrected lyrics in this message from Davis Owens. David has an e-mail address at pasty.com, so his Keweenaw is likely to be authentic.

There's good pasty eating on the Keweenaw Peninsula. Interestingly, there is no "Keweenaw Light" - there are two lighthouses on the peninsula, Copper Harbor and Eagle Harbor.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Nov 08 - 07:45 PM

There's an obvious typo in the title SAM SMALL'S CHRISTMAN PUDDING.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 08 - 02:18 PM

"Bury Me Not On the Deep, Deep Sea" appears twice in both the online and DOS versions of the database, once with a tune and once without.
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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Nov 08 - 06:33 PM

Our religious version of "Go Tell It on the Mountain" has some nasty spelling errors. I suggest that you substitute the lyrics in this message (click).
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Re: "Years of Peace"
filename[ YRPEACE
Please see the Years Are Coming thread for the correct name, background information, and lyrics of this song from the Unitarian hymnal.

I've posted corrected lyrics to Lili Marleen in this message.
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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Genie
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:25 PM

Bring A Torch, Jeannette, Isabella

In this song, Jeannette and Isabelle (or "Isabella" in the English version) are two different girls.   The lyrics (and title) should be "BRING A TORCH, JEANETTE, ISABELLA" or
"UN FLAMBEAU, JEANETTE, ISABELLE"

Bring a torch, Jeanette, Isabella!
Bring a torch! To the stable run!
It is Jesus, good folk of the village.
Christ is born and Mary's calling:
Ah! Ah! Beautiful is the mother,
Ah! Ah! Beautiful is her son!

It is wrong when the child is sleeping,
It is wrong to talk so loud.
Silence, all, as you gather around,
Lest your noise should waken Jesus:
Hush! Hush! See how fast he slumbers:
Hush! Hush! See how fast he sleeps!

Softly to the little stable,
Softly for a moment come.
Look and see how charming is Jesus,
How he is white, his cheeks are rosy!
Hush! Hush! See how the child is sleeping.
Hush! Hush! See how he smiles in his dreams.

In the French version, there's also a word left out.   There should be three "Ah!"s in each of the last two lines.   (The song doesn't scan right when one is left out.) Jeannette and Isabelle also need to be separated by a comma.


En Français:

Un flambeau, Jeanette, Isabelle,
Un flambeau, courons au berceau!
C'est Jesus, bonnes gens du hameau,
Le Christ est né, Marie appelle,
Ah! Ah! Ah! Que la mêre est belle.
Ah! Ah! Ah! Que l'enfant est beau!

C'est un tort quand l'Enfant sommeille,
C'est un tort de crier si fort.
Taisez-vous l'un et l'autre d'abord,
Au moindre bruît Jesus s'eveille.
Chut! Chut! Chut! Il dort a merveille.
Chut! Chut! Chut! Voyez comme Il dort.

Doucement dans l'etable close,
Doucement venez un moment.
Approchez! Que Jesus est charmant,
Comme Il est blanc, comme Il est rose.
Do! Do! Do! Que l'Enfant repose
Do! Do! Do! Qu'Il rit en dormant.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 09:20 PM

The title does need correcting- Un flambeau, Jeanette, Isabelle, as you correctly cite it.
Genie, your French text leaves out the second verse, and some accents are missing.
The English lyrics leave out the third verse. There are several English translations, from two to four verses; I don't know that any one should be called definitive.
For the music I know, the third ah!, chut!, do! in the third lines do not fit, there are two; in the fourth line, there are more (four at Cyberhymnal); Some choral directors go a little wild with this line. In a version posted by Haruo, thread 28247, 02 Dec 00, the three are needed in the third line- must be the one you sing! Different musical transcriptions; a matter of taste?

French lyrics- French Flambeau

English lyrics (4 verses)
English lyrics (4 verses, the 3rd different from one posted by Joe and also different from one posted by Haruo, both in old threads) English flambeau
thread 28247- Bring a torch

I will post in thread 28247 the versions linked above. I think Joe's English version is in thread 3225. I will try to find some background to the song.

Subject: Queen of Argyll -- word change
From: JesseW
Date: 17 Dec 08 - 06:33 PM

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4839

In the (hard to hear) third verse of Queen of Argyll, the line: "So my lads my needs must leave you," should be "So my lads, I needs must leave you," -- which makes more grammatical sense, too.

Keep up the good work, folks!

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 07:32 PM

Our English lyrics for "Oh Come All Ye Faithful" are a bit sloppy. Usually, it's "O Come," and the choirs of angels sing in exultation. And the Latin in the DT is just wrong.

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I suggest you use one of the versions posted in this thread (click).

This version (click) is from the Oxford Book of Carols, so it should be pretty accurate.

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You probably want to change this title to allcaps:

LITTLE MAN, you'VE HAD A BUSY DAY
( Mabel Wayne, Al Hoffman and Maurice Sigler)

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Our transcription of "Battle Hymn of the Republic" is a mess. Masato posted a corrected version in this thread.

@American @Civil @war @hymn
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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Apr 09 - 12:18 PM

Genny Haley's THE COWPUNCHER should actually be called THE BALLAD OF THE COWPUNCHER. At least, that's what it's called on John Roberts' and Tony Barrand's album "Live at Holstein's"—and that's the only recording I am able to find.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 12:58 AM

As Dale Rose explained here, the original version of THE PREACHER AND THE BEAR was written by George Fairman [1881-1962] in 1904. He sold the rights to the publisher, Arthur Longbrake, who then published it under the pseudonym of Joe Arzonia (note spelling: not Arizona).

The 2 versions in the DT have been folk-processed to delete some "coon" references, so you probably should keep them, but correct their attributions.

The original, warts and all, is here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Apr 09 - 07:35 AM

In this message, Murtagh Doile says that the title of ON MIDSUMMER DAY should be THE LUGHNASSAD SONG and the correct author is Stockbridge (Stock) Chandler.

Subject: Authorship correction: Cold Cold Heart (Williams)
From: Genie
Date: 13 Apr 09 - 08:49 PM

I just noticed that Hank Williams's song "Cold, Cold Heart" is incorrectly titled in the DT, plus the DT does not give Hank his songwriter credit.
The title is "Cold, Cold Heart," not "Your Cold, Cold Heart," and Hank wrote the lyrics and music for this song in 1951. The copyright may be held by some corporation, but Hank is the songwriter, not just one of the people who recorded it.

Genie

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 09 - 08:23 PM

filename[ HIROSHIM - titled "Hiroshima" in the database is actually titled "I Come and Stand at Every Door: Girl of Hiroshima"

There are also many little mistakes in the lyrics.


Corrected attribution, title, and lyrics are in this thread.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 May 09 - 08:26 PM

The DT transcription of "Johnnie Sangster" [filename SANGSTER] has many little errors. My corrected transcription is in this message (click)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 May 09 - 09:02 AM

PUT ON YOUR OLD GREY BONNET and GOLDEN WEDDING DAY are the same song. The correct title is PUT ON YOUR OLD GREY BONNET. However, the version there contains a few errors. A corrected version is given here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 May 09 - 03:11 AM

There's a full transcription of "Cool Water" in this message. The DT is missing two verses.

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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:06 AM

McSORLEY'S TWINS was written by Gus Phillips in 1885. A corrected version of the lyrics is here along with publication details.