Little known '60s Folk Singers

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:13 AM

I haven't had time to read ALL of these entries, but I hope someone has mentioned Bob Coltman, old-time music authority, singer/songwriter extraordinary, and fairly frequent contributor to these Mudcat pages. Several fine recordings on Minstrel Records, at least one of which (I think) has now been re-released as a CD. You may be familiar with some of his Child ballad revisions, recorded on a remarkable release titled "Son of Child."
    One of my personal favorites has long been Ed Trickett. Has he been mentioned here? Ed has a great knack for finding wonderful songs and sings them, as Gordon Bok once put it, "from the inside out."
    Sandy

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:01 AM

American singer songwriters may not sing in your tradition, but they are operating in their tradition. Or their view of what tradition is.

Tradition is a funny word. Back in the 60's, I was at Leighton Park School in Reading for about 15 months, and we had this American kid doing a sort of year's scholarship.

He said the thing about this school is - you have no traditions....not like we had in my school back in America.

we all said, but why would we have any traditions - our school only started up at the start of the 20th century.

He said, well - that's about thirty years older than my school back in Arizona, we've got all these traditions that we hand on.

I think Americans must have a lot more literal meaning of traditional than we do - it is what is actually handed on. Whereas in England, 'traditional music' has to actually have ersatz cobwebs hanging off it.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 11:51 AM

I find your comments VERY interesting. Many years ago I got "hung up" on the definition of "traditional folk music." Most every folksinger I ever met has to get through this question. Remembering that America has such a short history compared to Great Britian, for example, for several years I used a handy definition for traditional: it had to be at least 100 years old. I'm sure that seems silly to you, but it worked for me. It is also the benchmark that antique furniture dealers use to measure authenticity. Today I don't have a clue how to define it. And NO, let's don't warp this fine thread into yet another attempt at defining the impossible. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 12:47 PM

There was Addiss and Crowfut, two folkies who toured the world on a State Department grant. They introduced American folk music around the world.

Sorry i got Howie Burson's name wrong. Yes, Gil Turner. Thanks, Steve.

There are countless great folk instrumentalists who haven't been mentioned such as "Ti Jean" Johnnie Carignan, one of the world's best fiddlers from French Canada.

Earl Collins, a great traditional country fiddler who lived in LA......

Ralph Blizzard ...another great fiddler.

Zylphia Horton, wife of Miles Horton from Highlander Folk School responsible for the popularity of "We Shall Overcome". Played accordian.

Jenny Vincent Wells from New Mexico...spanish songs. Accordian also.

There was a guitarist from McCabe's Guitar Shop...I can't remember his name...I think it was Rick but he was a phenomenal finger picker.

Joe and Antoinette McKenna.....Joe...master of the Uillean pipes and Antoinette, singer and player of Irish harp...exceptional performers.

The Pindar singers from the Bahamas....Joseph Spence...Bahamian guitar player and singer.

Clark Allen...flamenco and Spanish songs from the San Diego area.

Did somebody mention Joe and Eddie from the Troubador in LA? (maybe getting redundant here)

I wouldn't call Ed McCurdy little-known but maybe comparatively to others.

John Herald....with Ralph Rinzler in "Greenbriar Boys". Wrote a version of "Stewball".

How about Molly Scott? Pretty lady. Nice voice.

Howie Mitchell, dulcimer player with the group, "Golden Ring".

George and Gerry Armstrong from Illinois. George...folklorist and bagpipes...Gerry, dulcimer and traditional ballads. Jenny, their daughter is also a fine singer/player.

Banjo Dancing with Stephen Wade...although he is pretty well-known in the Mid-West.

I vote for my friend Mark Dvorak from Illinois who is just coming into his own as a songwriter as well as folksinger.

Sonny Houston lives in GA and has played on records with Guy and Candie Carawan.
Plays all kinds of instruments.

Red Grammer (sp?) who replaced Glenn Yarborough in the "Limelighters".

Ernie Lieberman (Sheldon) who also replaced Glenn in the "Limelighters". Ernie became a substantial songwriter.

Betty Sanders...part of People's Artists but sang through the Sixties.

Jerry Walter (banjo picker) of the "Gateway Singers" which had "Elmer Lee Thomas" a fine African-American singer as well as a starting group for Travis Edmondsen.

"Sonny" Vale was the Robert DeCormier of the West Coat with his Folk Chorus.

Earl Robinson kept performing through the Sixties and was writing and composing music.

Peter Alsop, a writer of children's songs and folksinger from LA, married to Ellen Geer, daughter of Will Geer.

Freddie Hellerman was with the well-known Weavers but his private accomplishments were as a producer for Joan Baez (I think first recording) and songwriter. "Come Away Melinda"..

Then there's the "Fast Folk" crowd from New York. Steve Suffet will know Jack Hardy and those people.

A great folk instrumentalist and singer is Joe Craven who did a remarkable CD called "Camptown".

I'll mention John McCutcheon just because he has recently moved to GA and is a neighbor, now.

Did anyone mention Si Kahn? Not a big big name but just as important as any.

Micheal Smith (songwriter "The Dutchman"..Chicago) and Barbara Barrow.

Ken Pearlman...fairly well known in banjo circles.

I'll vote for my friend Adam Miller who is now touring the country and making a good living as (gasp) a folksinger. Autoharp and guitar.

Then there's Peter Marston, from New England, a great singer was with David Jones in "Starboard List"....David...also great. Pete's brother (my friend) Chick is a great blues fingerpicker and works with his wife Ellen Ford, singer in N.E. and Florida.

John Langstaff is known as a baritone who started the "Christmas Revels" in Cambridge but was formerly on staff at Pine Woods.


The more these names come up, the more I realize just how extensive and powerful the "folk scare" was. The beat goes on.....................................

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 12:56 PM

Frank, The more names you plug into this thread, the more you shake names out of the cobwebs in my brain: Walt Robertson. CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bubblyrat
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:02 PM

Many years ago,I used to go to a folk-club in a pub called the Half Moon, in Yeovil----1965/66 it was !! I remember one night a little guy shuffled in and hung around sort of furtively in the background,until he was announced as the guest for that evening --it was Paul Simon !! I thought he was very good (as you would !!) but I was a "Terry & Alan" man, myself !! Terry was ,in real life, Lt.Commander Terry Kemp,RN, a test-pilot ,from the nearby Royal Naval Air Station,Yeovilton, & Alan was a corporal in the RAF , also stationed at Yeovilton--he looked after the accomodation for RAF personnel that was provided for visiting Vulcan bomber ground-crews.I know this because I was stationed there as well !! I always admired Terry & Alan for both their musicianship ,& stage "prescence"----They were destined to be together.They had matching guitars,although one played different chord-shapes with a capo on,which I thought was very clever ( and "cool" !! )-Certainly the sound was good,and they could both sing well.Their repertoire was interesting ,and songs I can still recall include "Bound out for Newfoundland " and " The Squid-jigging ground " They were very professional & entertaining,& would go down well today ! I often wonder what became of them. Incidentally, some other regulars at that club were a strange bunch,one of whom worked on the corporation dust-cart in Yeovil----They called themselves "The Yetties " !!!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:44 PM

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:50 PM

Frank: Like Deckman said, they're falling out of the cobwebs. How about Gil Robbins (of The Highwaymen), currently touring America in a big-ass Winnebago. Father of actor/folksinger Tim Robbins. I get postcards from him sometimes. He's a happy guy.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 02:58 PM

Frank's posting of names has suggested something. I'm going to list a few names. "Little known" or prominant doesn't matter much, really.

Following are the people that I felt were quite significant to my folk music background here in the Wst Coast or America.

These very fine singers are no longer with us ... except in "spirit":

Walt Robertson
John Dwyer
Roy Guest
Terry Wadsworth

This next list includes great musicians that no longer perform:

Sally Ashford
John Ashford
Mike Leib

This next list is of very active performers:

Don Firth
Nancy Quense
Stewart Hendrickson
Jerry Middaugh
Reggie Miles
John Weiss
Steve Lalor
Mike Nelson
George Austin
Stan James
Alice Stewart
Bruce Baker
Steve Culver

This last list is of great musicians that I have lost track of, and I sure would like an update:

Mike Reedy (U.K.?)
Don Normark
Pat Garvey (WA.D.C.?)

This is not a complete list, and I'm sure I'll squeeze a few more out of my very old brain cells.

If any of you want an update on these folks, give me a PM. I should caution you that some of these people do NOT wish to be located. I'm sure you all understand that. CHEERS, Bob (great thread)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:34 PM

Also from the Seattle area, Judy Flenniken (big voice), currently living in Key Largo, Florida with her husband. Still singing, as far as I know.

. . . not to mention Bob Nelson (Deckman), who got interested in folk music when he was about thirteen. I first met him in 1953, when he was about sixteen or so, and by then, he knew his way around a guitar pretty well and had a sizeable, and growing, repertoire of songs. Since then, coffeehouses, concerts, television, folk festivals, the whole works, all up and down the Pacific Coast (and where all else, I'm not sure).

But like a lot of fine singers out this-a-way, no recordings, which is probably why he isn't better known around the country than he is. Back during the 50s and 60s, what few record companies there were in the Pacific Northwest were into soft-rock and do-wop, and they were outright hostile to folk music.

But that situation is currently being rectified.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:43 PM

Deckman

no I know not neither what a tradition actually means definitively.

I was just commenting that the Americans seem to mean something different to us. And Elfcape seemed to sum up that sort of 'they're wrong cos they ain't like us' belief. In English music, there seems to be a sort conscious reaching back and yearning even, for the past and its certainties.

Like Oscar Wilde said , two nations divided by the same language.

all the best

al

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:44 PM

Also the late David (Dave) Spence. He was a native of Belfast and came to the USA when he was 18. He was very big the in the Bay area, singing most every Friday night at "The Drinking Gourd." He died in 1966 at the early age of 26, in an aircraft accident.

(Don ... how much do I owe you for that compliment)?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:52 PM

We'll negotiate tomorrow when you get here. . . .

Glad you're going to be able to make it after all!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 01:30 PM

Bob Grossman is living in New York. I have his cell phone number. I mentioned, way way above in this thread, that he spent many years in Detroit as an actor under the name Robert Grossman. Last year he appeared with Lucie Arnaz in a play called "Sonia Flew" at the Coconut Grove Playhouse in Florida. He released a new CD a couple years ago (43 years after his Elektra album). He does a killer "Begin the Beguine" on it and an incredibly bluesy "Surrey with the Fringe on Top."
Spike Lee's dad is bassist Bill Lee, not Tom Lee.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:45 PM

What a great thread, and I've sifted through the whole thing! At least some of these "little known" singers from the 1960's were known by me.

Certainly I and my parents knew Bill Bonyun who pioneered the "job" of singing folk songs in classrooms and produced a fine collection of recordings on his Heirloom label; I need to bug one of his sons about getting some of them re-issued as CD's. His wife Gene was also a fine singer.

Is Mel Lyman less known? I may have missed him in my scanning but he was part of the early 1960's folk club wave of performers in the Boston area, before he went off the North Carolina and swapped songs with Obray Ramsey, and then joined the Jim Kweskin Jug Band, and later became God and went West. I knew him in his Woody Guthries phase, and I still sing some of the songs he wrote, and some of Obray's as well.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: johnross
Date: 15 Jan 07 - 05:35 PM

The singer mentioned uptopic who sang on TV from the deck of Old Ironsides was probably Tony Saletan, who did many broadcasts on Boston's WGBH-TV.

Tony is now living outside Tacoma, Washington and calling dances.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Abby Sale
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:28 PM

GUEST,Erik Frandsen, Deckman & pdq: thanks for the suggestions. Not them, though. I finally remembrer his first name was Carl. Very good.

Frank: What a list! Some of the better known ones in the 1st two lists were greatly influential, I think. For me, especially Dyer-Bennett. I learned about ballads.

Hey! What about's all the Cambridge/Boston people. As said all had to get started but there were many fine local sengers about the time that girl with the long black hair was getting off the ground.

Rolf Cahn & Rick von Schmidt for starters.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:57 PM

Abby- and before that, Gene and Francesca is NYC

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:18 PM

How about Al Cromwell?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 11:04 AM

Abby: Yeah, that Boston crowd had a lot to offer. How 'bout left-handed Eddie Motteau, and Round Mound of Renown Pat McGuinn?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Madison Memories
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 06:54 PM

In Madison in the 60's at one time or the other I knew or met:

Carolyn Hester

Danny Kalb and his unknown younger brother Johnnie (both great guitar players)

Paul Prestipino, who might be the same person as Greg Prestipino (?), an incredible mandolin and banjo player

Phil Buss, guitar player and maker(last seen in Santa Fe in the 90's)

Tracy Nelson, blues belter of "Down So Low" and Mother Earth fame

Mel Storch, banjo

Of course lots of famous performers played Madison in the early 60's starting with Joan Baez and later Dylan himself, but since Chicago was only 3 hours away we used to go down to the University of Chicago Folk Festival where there was a lot more traditional folk music to enjoy. People like Flatt and Scruggs, the Carter Family, Doc Watson, Big Joe Williams, Gary Davis all played there in the years I went. In addition to the great concerts cause we were on he scene we always got to go to the afterhours party in somebody's flat where you got to see and hear some of these same luminaries in the intimate setting of a livingroom--until the police came and rousted us all out onto the frozen streets because of a noise complaint.

I particularly remember Big Joe Williams and Rev. Gary Davis performing at one of these parties, and at that or in another year, Paul Butterfield, as yet unknown, was in the hallway practicing licks from "You Gotta Help Me Baby, I Can't Do It By Myself" while simultaneously putting the make on a girl with long blonde hair, the lyric ostensibly being his come-on line. I'll never forget that. A couple of years later the Butterfield Blues Band was packing them in at Big Johns in Oldtown and we'd go down on weekends to catch them cause it was a really hot scene. One time while we were dancing I realized that the woman who I was having such a blast dancing with was none other than Odetta.

Barry Goldberg was someone I also hung with once or twice in chicago.

As to other not-so-well-knowns I can think of:

Diane Davidson (maybe more country music), saw her play in San Francisco a couple of times.

Jesse Winchester

Kate and Anna McGarrigle

Ewan MacColl and A.L.Lloyd who had a couple of albums of Sea Shanties

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:15 PM

I say !!! Ewan McColl little known ?? Well,maybe in the USA ,but in the UK he was ,& will always be, in the top 5 EVER !! His contribution to the Folk Revival in Britain was phenomenal, both as a performer & a song-witer !! He even managed a song,recently recorded by Christy Moore, about the Cuban revolution :-
"Courage was their armour,
as they fought at Fidel"s side,
with Che Guavarra "
    Goes the chorus & yes,McColl was very "Left wing " !! But that didn"t affect his popularity,like it didn"t affect Pete Seeger"s! Hell, Ewan McColl even married Pete Seeger"s sister Peggy !! So ,to mention him on a "little known" thread is unbelievable !!!I mean, he was like a British Woody Guthrie,for God"s sake!! How CAN you call him "not -so-well-known", Guest Madison Memories ?? I am in shock !!!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Leadbelly
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 05:37 PM

Bubblyrat: take it easy! Naturally you are completely right with Ewan, but don't forget that this contribution comes from the US. If somebody is well-known and famous in one country this does not automatically mean fame in other countries and vice versa.
At this opportunity I would like to send best wishes to Howard Stith who is my personally known best "Little known 1960's Folk Singer" , living in NH.

Manfred from Germany

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bubblyrat
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 05:51 PM

OK Manfred !! Sorry to get "overheated" !! Where are you in Germany ?? I used to live in Bielefeld !! I did a lot of "busking " outside the Post Office near the railway station in Hanover !!
    Roger.....

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 05:59 PM

And ... let's NOT forget Pat Garvey!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Madison Memories
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 06:54 PM

Well O.K. now, calm down. I didn't mean to demean him, especially since I really loved his albums of Sailors songs, and now that you hit me with both barrels I recognize that Ewan McColl was indeed a name here in folk circles and had a bunch of albums out. That was long ago and maybe my memory isn't as good as I thought. I guess what I meant was, not widely known among the wider public rather than among lovers of folk music, which one could have said about many really authentic folksingers anyway. Besides which, some people above were mentioning the New Lost City Ramblers in this context, and they were anything but little known or insignificant and I didn't get all unhinged. Anyway, I was thinking of the great seashanty sides, which one must admit, are an even more esoteric taste. I googled them and am glad to see that those albums are still in the catalog and on CD. BTW you may not know, or maybe you do, that John Houston used some of the seashanties from McColl and Lloyd's album "Blow Boys Blow" for the soundtrack of Moby Dick. Gave it an authenticity that Gregory Peck's wooden acting couldn't match.

Back to not-widely-known musicians, I forgot to mention that great songwriter Van Rozay from Canyon CA

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Psychomorris
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:06 PM

Bubblerap Take it easy the world is bigger than Pompey. We had one of the best folk scenes ever in the mid 60.s to 70,s enhanced by many a draft dodger from the USA along with many a rebel song from Eire. What may sit well with one group cannot always sit well with others. I like openess and free thought. Don't kick it if it differs with you. Chill out man. Psychomorris

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:09 PM

Song Lyric as sung by Dick Gaughan
The good ship Granma lies at anchor in the harbour
Waiting for the evening tide to bring high water
It's bound for Cuba she must go across the Gulf of Mexico
And the Caribbean ocean
She's carrying a human cargo,
Eighty-three good compañeros
Each one burning with determination to be free

Against Batista, the Fidelistas
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

Ten days out from Mexico these compañeros
Landed on the Cuban beach Los Colorados
Fidel said, this year will see our country and its people free
Or else we will be martyrs
We've only guns enough for twenty,
The enemy has arms a-plenty
Meet him then defeat him and he'll keep us well supplied

Against Batista, the Fidelistas
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

Five weeks later in the Canyon Del Arroyo
The people's army numbered eighteen compañeros
Hungry, weak, but unafraid,
They're learning Revolution's trade
In the high Sierra Maestra
And in the mountains winds are blowing
Bearing seeds of hope and sowing
Crops in Cuban earth that mark the birth of victory

On compañeros, to El Uvero!
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

They fought their way across the peak of El Turquino
Joined by peasant bands and men from Santiago
They faced Batista's tanks and planes
And drove them down into the plains
From the high Sierra Maestra
They drove the gangsters from Las Villas
Straight across the Cordilleras
Santa Clara fell to Che Guevara and was free

Against Batista, the Fidelistas
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

The fire lit on that Cuban beach by Fidel Castro
Shines all the way to Tierra del Fuego
Its sparks are blown upon the breeze
And men rise up from off their knees
When they see the night is burning
It blazes up in Venezuela, Bolivia and Guatemala
Lights the road that men must go in order to be free

On compañeros, Americanos!
For a peoples' free America
Fidel has shown the way with Che Guevara

©1968 Ewan MacColl

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:14 PM

A couple of names from the Canadian folk scene of the 60's just bobbed to the surface of my grey matter; Bob Ruzicka and Bob Ryszkiewicz.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Psychomorris
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:19 PM

Pat Nelson. John Isherwood. Pete Quinn. John Fitzgerald.(Pompey) Shall I go on. Easy to do with all I have seen. We all have, where we come from, memorable singers and muscians who have given us such delights.None of them have fame in the sense used to day. But local to me you would travel to see them because you enjoyed what they did. What I like is that I can get the same today at most folk clubs and festivals I attend. Thanks all of you. I hope those Americans and Irish that gave me pleasure at their singing and music in the 60.s are still at it. How can any one ever arrive at best ever? Psychomorris

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:22 PM

http://ouestech.com/bob/

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:26 PM

Yo, bobad, crank the volume.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:31 AM

Ewan MacColl was quite well known in the United States. My first acquaintance with his singing was in a class I took in the University of Washington, English Department, "The Popular Ballad," taught by Dr. David C. Fowler. Dr. Fowler played many cuts from a set of several records of traditional ballads sung by Ewan MacColl and A. L. Lloyd by way of examples of ballads we were studying. A couple of years later, I met Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger at the 1960 Berkeley Folk Festival.

Songbooks compiled by MacColl, such "The Shuttle and The Cage" and another similar book he did, plus "The Singing Island" put together by MacColl and Peggy Seeger were big sellers in this area.

There were darned few folk music enthusiasts whom I knew, whose interest went deeper than the Kingston Trio, New Christy Minstrel level, who did not know who Ewan MacColl was.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 01:56 AM

Frank forgot to mention Valucha Buffington, with whom he recorded The world of Frank & Valucha in the early '60s. Art mentioned this recording here and he has a 1983 photo of them here (enter "mudcat" for both username and password).

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Leadbelly
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:52 AM

To Bubblyrat (Roger): Originally I'm coming from Hamburg playing 12-string guitar (blues + folk) in some folk-clubs like Danny's Pan, Blockhütte (St. Pauli) and Onkel Pö from 1966 to 1972. Later on I moved to southern regions, now living in Lower Bavaria (Niederbayern)in a small town (kleines Dorf) near Landshut.
Hope you enjoyed your time in Germany.
Thanks for your interest!

Manfred

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Abby Sale
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 10:51 AM

Peace: I assume you posted "Los Compañeros" to reply to bubblerat, not because Gaughan is a little known 1960's Folk Singer. Actually, I thank you for it - the event is, of course, in the Happy File but I was too lazy to transcribe more than a few lines of it.

Yah, MacColl/Lloyd recordings were taight in my 60's class as well. MacColl & Peggy also did several concerts there (and Peggy one when the US wouldn't let the "dangerous commie terrorist" into the country.) Having Mac Leech & young Kenny Goldstein around didn't hurt.

But I'm remembering others. There were a number who were fairly widely noted then stopped singing. Ruined their careers as folk singers:

    Andy Griffith
    Burl Ives (athough he did sing for a number of years)
    Alan Arkin
    Liz Dyer (I've had a little contact with her - the lovely erstwhile partner of Dave Goulder is happily married, instead living the joys of one-nigh stands)
    Bonnie Dobson (her first US appearance was in my class, too)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 11:32 AM

Yup, Ewan married Peggy all right, but Alex Campbell married her first.

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Any of you Canucks ever meet a guy called Brian Wadey around Toronto?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 11:42 AM

Absolutely, Abby.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bubblyrat
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 11:44 AM

Dick Gaughan is /was not a "Little -known 1960s Folk Singer". In fact, he is very much a very well -known 21st century folk -singer & musician, and something of an international superstar in the folk world-----which means,of course, that nobody in isolationist USA will have heard of him !!!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:13 PM

Bubblerat, I don't think it's so much the "isolationist USA" as it is people who got into folk music recently or whose interest and knowledge, as I said in a previous post, doesn't go very deep. I recently had a young thing ask me "Who's Joan Baez?" And she, of course, is American. Same people who have never heard of Ewan MacColl. Or Eric Bogle. Or Paddy Reilly. I have definitely heard of Dick Gaughan, and although I've never heard him in person, I've heard him on a number of radio programs such as Fiona Ritchie's "Thistle and Shamrock" and on locally produced folk music oriented programs on one of the National Public Radio affiliates in my area. And the others I've mentioned, and more.

Most of the folk music enthusiasts I know (not ALL geezers like me) and swap songs with have heard of these folks too. And have probably learned songs off their records and CDs.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:32 PM

Anyone hever heard of V. Glen Ford and his girlfriend? Wish I could recall her name.   He was from Michigan but know they travelled... at least to Florida, and probably many other places. Lovely harmonies.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:34 PM

Glen used to sit at the coffee house where (now called) Bob Dylan sang. Bob would rest his foot on this huge coffee grinder, as he played. Glen now is the proud owner of this coffee grinder.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:36 PM

Yes, Glen used to play backup for Joan Baez and others... A great versatile singer/player.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Cliff
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:43 PM

the late Fred Holstein, Chicago

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Armen Tanzerian
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 05:51 PM

Rolf Cahn

Bob Jones (became an executive in George Wien's Newport organization and renounced singing, but was the best, most soulful ballad-singer I ever heard)

Molly Malone, née Nancy Rosenthal

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 06:33 PM

I got my hot little hands on a record (Bay Concerts Records) that Rolf Cahn and Jo Mapes made back in the 1950s, and learned several songs from it. Good stuff! Then, in 1959, I was in Berkeley and had a chance to meet Rolf and get together with him for a couple of songfests. I wanted to take some guitar lessons from him, but he was heading back to Cambridge in a few days and didn't have time. Nevertheless, I learned a lot from him in just a couple of days.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 06:47 PM

Artus Moser? Appalachian singer. Horton Barker. Great Appalachian singer. Nimrod Workman, also. All were singing in the Sixties. Hally Stepherson Wood. (Married to John Henry Faulk). Mary O'Hara wasn't well known in the States but big in Ireland. Orla Fallon reminds me of her.

Art Thieme knows Bill Chipman...a great country voice...not unlike Riley Puckett.

Sam Eskin lived in Woodstock N.Y. and was a folksong collector and songwriter.

Blues musicians not too well known....Big Joe Williams (not of Count Basie fame). I mentioned Snooks Eaglin earlier. A great player and singer from N.O.

Joseph Spence was singing and playing from Bahamas in the Sixties. "Blind" Blake (not Arthur Blake) was from the same area and nobody knew much about him at the time.

You know Sandy Paton might be included. Everyone knows him for his Folk Legacy but he was a fine interpreter of British Isle ballads.

My friend Dave Zeitlin from L.A. teaches guitar at McCabes and sang and performed well.

Also my friend Guy Carawan and his wife Candie...major contributors to folk music as folklorists and sociologists.

Lee Haring banjo folkie from N.Y.

All I can think of now.

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 06:53 PM

I still vote Tom Deacon as the littlest-known 1960s singer.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Madison memories
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:52 AM

Hey Frank, thanks for mentioning Eric Schoenberg in one of your earlier posts. I knew him in Madison back in the 60's but had forgotten all about him in the intervening 40 years. He was a really nice guy, and a serious musician.

If you knew him, maybe you knew other Madison people like Phil Buss, Mel Storch, and Johnny Kalb too? Johnny, a great guitar player like his older brother Danny--who formed the Blues Project with Al Kooper, and played with other big names, so he was quite well known back then--is still playing actively too. They both have great websites.

I enjoyed reading all your lists, and I for one do remember Richard Dyer Bennet because we had a couple of his albums along with all the Weavers, Josh White, Odetta, Baez, etc.

But I have to say that some of the other folks you mention were a bit more than little known.

In particular I would take exception to your mention of Mike Bloomfield as "sort of famous as a blues muscian". Not to get to heavy about it, but if being a founding member of the Butterfield Blues Band and being immortalized for playing with Dylan on his first great electric albums is "sort of" fame, then most any unknown would do just about anything to get to be just "sort of" famous like he was. Hell, the guy could play rings around Eric "boring" Clapton anyday. Course, one could do without the fame including ODing on smack, which was a really sad end for such a talented person to have.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Stefan Wirz
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:59 AM

how about the following:
- Major Wiley
- Joan Toliver (Joan Sommer)
- Terrea Lea
- Logan English
- Paul Clayton