Origins of: Found on Mudcat

Subject: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 09:56 AM

Looking through the various threads on the Mudcat, I've been going through learning about where some of these songs come from. Here are some of these threads. Lots more there.

12 Days of Christmas
Amazing Grace
Amelia's Waltz
Barbara Allen
Barbara Allen
Carrick Fergus
Carrick Fergus
Carrickfergus
Casey Jones
Chastity Belt
Cotton Eyed Joe
Dona Dona
Fiddler's Green
House of the Rising Sun
I Wish I Wish
Jimmy Cracked Corn
John Henry
Lavender Blue/Dilly Dilly
Loch Lomand
Londonderry Air/Danny Boy
Merrily Kissed the Quaker's Wife
Mingulay Boat Song
My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean
Peggy Gordon/Caledonia/When I First Went To Caledonia
Roll me over in the Clover
Rose of Allendale
Scarborough Fair
She Moved Through the Fair
Shenandoah
Show Me The Way To Go Home
Soldier's Joy
Spancil Hill
Tom Dooley
Trad British Isles' Songs
Waly Waly
Water is Wide, and other tie-ins
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Water Is Wide
Wild Colonial Boy
Wild Mountain Thyme
Wild Rover
Yankee Doodle
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The alphabetised list has been moved to its own Song Origins PermaThread. You may continue to post additions to this thread, or its follow-up (when it gets too long) OR, post them directly into the PermaThread, but remember the PermaThread will be edited, so comments and contributions will not be permanent there, except the links added to the list.
Thanks, again, George, this really is amazing!
kat

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Search for "Found on Mudcat" threads

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 10:15 AM

Now that we have a PermaThread, I will not be doing this consolidation. Sorry that we cannot undo the first few I did get to. You'll all be listed under "Catspaw" for these few, forever.*BG*

As per agreement near the end of this whole thing, now up to 113 posts, I am consolidating all the posts into a couple of postings, keeping all info intact for each one. This will make it shorter and easier to to load and post to, as well as alphabetise. Thanks for your understanding.

Thanks,

kat

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Been having a good time haven't you George? That's a really fine compilation too......I think I'll bookmark this one to use it as a reference for newcomer's on what can be found here. I always suggest that they do a forum search for old threads and this list will be another starting point I think.

GREAT JOB!!!!

Spaw

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From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 10:28 AM

WILLIAM TAYLOR

LAGAN LOVE

EASY AND SLOW

Ard Tí Chuain/Quiet Land of Erin

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Geordie Broon
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 10:43 AM

The Best of Mudcat gets even better. THANKS John

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 10:57 AM

Paddy's Lamentation/BY THE HUSH

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:02 AM

The Gartan Mother's Lullaby

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:10 AM

Skibbereen

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Peter T.
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:10 AM

What a great thread/link. How about a Perma-Thread for the top 50 requested folk songs on Mudcat, and the linked threads? "50 Most Requested Folk Songs: Links" or something. Just a thought.

yours, Peter T.

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: George Seto - [e-mail]
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:10 AM

Yes, I've been having a good time the last couple of days.

Dark Island
Dark Island

Greensleeves

Lord of the Dance

Desiderata

I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen

Hector The Hero

Still room for more....

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: George Seto - [e-mail]
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:12 AM Peter, I have been thinking of one, similar to your idea.

A compilation thread to tie together all the threads on a specific song. My guess is there would be about 50 or 60 we get asked about all the time.

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:13 AM

Spanish Is The Loving Tongue

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Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05-Aug-01 - 11:19 AM

The Pretty Girl Milking Her Cow

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:22 AM

I don't think it happens as much as it used to, but every time that "Cool Hand Like" played on some nationwide cable station, we would get requests for "Plastic Jesus."

I agree on the Permathread idea.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Peter T.
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:23 AM

Yes, George/Alice, you have caught a lot of them, Water is Wide, Carrickfergus, Greensleeves, Shenandoah, Tom Dooley, She Moved Through the Fair, etc. I think it is a great crosscutting index (you can see the scholarly version in the "I Wish, I Wish" thread, but this is way more fun).

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:27 AM

Reynardine

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:34 AM

This must count as one of the earliest threads #32.

Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note
Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note
Sick Note/Paddy's Not at Work/Excuse Note

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:39 AM

Another popular

English Country Garden

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 11:39 AM

Róisín Dubh

Down Our Street

Subject: Found on Mudcat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:20 PM

Pete!

That top 50 requested thing is a GREAT idea!!!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:33 PM

One of the best threads yet. Wonderful bit of work, all.

Mick

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:41 PM

On a topic of songs in general, here is a link to a wonderful discussion of songs about Capital Punishment from 1998.

Mick

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Shields Folk
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 01:57 PM

Lets put them all together and call it Mudcat!!.... No wait there's...

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 03:28 PM

Alice, Just checked your blue click to Ard Ti Chuain,fascinating, have to agree with Big Mick, this site gets better. Slan Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 04:41 PM

A few more:

Strike the Bell, Second Mate
 
Molly Bawn, etc
 
Four Marys
 
Hard Times Come Again No More
 
Goin' Back to the Blue Ridge Mountains
 
Fairy Boy
 
Tell Me Ma
 
Bonnie Jean Cameron
 
Lines Upon The Water
 
1913 Massacre
 
Bonny Portmore
Bonny Portmore
 
Wreck of the Asia
 
If I Were a Blackbird
If I Were A Blackbird
 
A Warning For Married Women/House Carpenter
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 05:10 PM

Streets of Laredo

Whiskey In The Jar

Rosin the Bow

Sally in our Alley

Little Beggarman

Sloop John B

Spanish Ladies

Seven Drunken Nights

Thanks for starting this thread, George. I have really enjoyed going back and reading some of these older threads.

Alice

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 05:41 PM

No problem, Alice. I thought others would like reading some of these older threads as well. Glad you're enjoying it.

Gypsy Rover
Gypsy Rover
 
Si Bheag Si Mhor / Shee Beg Shee More
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 07:25 PM

Puff The Magic Dragon
 
Fields of Athenry
 
Tom Dula/Dooley
Tom Dula/Dooley
Tom Dula/Dooley
 
Dark Island 2
 
If I Were a Blackbird 2
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 05 Aug 01 - 08:36 PM

You Are My Sunshine
 
Blackbird of Sweet Avondale
 
Oh Dem Golden Slippers
 
Kisses Sweeter Than Wine
 
Mary Ellen Carter
 
Molly Malone
 
Rose of Tralee
 

 
Wreck of the Old '97
 
Christmas in the Trenches
 
Tom O' Bedlam
 
Farewell to Nova Scotia
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 01:19 AM

Erin's Green Shore

Robin Hood ballads

Take Her Out Of Pity

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Mark Clark
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 01:24 AM

This has to be one of the best cross reference threads ever. Thanks, George, and everyone else who added links.

      - Mark

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 02:36 AM

Art Thieme's new cd(with lyrics to the songs on it)

Another: Barb'ry Allen (several versions, including a song in gaelic to its tune)

Where Have All The Flowers Gone

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 03:06 AM

A few more, thanks to Susanne(skw)!

Roll ON The Day

Molly Maguires

Take The Children and Run

Acres of Clams

Women o'Dundee
Women O'Dundee

Stand Up For Judas

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Crowhugger
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 03:17 AM

Oh, George, thank you! for this wonderful thread. Definitely for bookmarking.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 04:47 AM

You're very welcome. Add when you can.

Tom Dooley
 
This Land is My Land (Canadian Version)
 
Peter Amberlay - New Brunswick Song
 
Morning Has Broken
 
Old Rugged Cross
 
My Darling Clementine
 
Keep On the Sunny Side
 
Kumbaya
 
Greensleeves
 
Cowboy's Lament/Streets of Laredo
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:11 AM

When You and I Were Young
 
Red River Valley
 
Westering Home
 
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond
Loch Lomond & Red Is the Rose
Red Is The Rose
 
Auld Lang Syne
 
Auld Lang Syne
 
Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
 
Northwest Passage
Northwest Passage
 
Barrett's Privateers
 
High Noon/Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: pavane
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 06:58 AM

There is also this one on Loch Lomond referencing an early version called Flora's Lament for her Charlie

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: alison
Date: 06 Aug 01 - 08:49 PM

and possibly the best one we ever had

Spancil Hill

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: John Routledge
Date: 07 Aug 01 - 07:39 PM

Refresh a wonderful thread

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 08 Aug 01 - 11:09 PM

My Wild Irish Rose
 
Massacre of Glencoe
 
Battle of New Orleans
Battle of New Orleans
 
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
Lament of the Irish Emigrant
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 12:31 AM

Black Velvet Band
Black Velvet Band
 
Long Black Veil
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 05:45 AM

It sounds quite useful, Katlaughing.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 09:05 AM

Kat, I guess it would make it easier to scan quickly, as an index, but I enjoy reading people's comments in the thread as it grows. It adds to the connectedness I feel in communicating with other people who also remember these old discussions. I would not like to see the links posted by different people and their comments deleted. The beauty of many of these threads is the commentary that builds around the information, and seeing the way different people participate in the search, not just the facts of the source.

Alice

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: MMario
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:17 AM

so do BOTH! collate and alphabatize into the top - but leave the rest of the thread for commentary...

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:08 AM

Yes, katlaughing, I had noticed a couple of duplicates on stuff. I wasn't worried, for one or two. I enjoy seeing the participation.

There were a couple which I had a problem with, so I re-placed them in a message later. But yes, there were two, that I remember, duplicates.

As Alice and yourself said, the organic quality of the comments is interesting in itself.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:22 AM

George, this is perfect!!!!!! Defintiely bookmarked. I suggest the Joe Clones group all the songs alphabetically at the top and retain the thread for the comments as Alice suggested.

Here's another I found interesting as it has Clinton's and the Tequila version:

Whiskey in the Jar

Ed

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 01:14 PM

Kat, I'd leave the links intact with the comments as well as the alphabetical links on top if it makes little difference from a work or system storage perspective.

Thanks for your efforts.

Ed

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 01:18 PM

Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, Ed. Thanks very muhc. That's what I will do. I will try to get it finished, today.

Thanks, again,

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: John Routledge
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 01:31 PM

It is worth a year of enforced reading of burning threads to be able to study threads such as this.

MANY MANY THANKS TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: simon-pierre
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 07:30 PM

St. James Infirmary

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Shields Folk
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM

This thread has entertained a number of folk. But what can we hope to achieve by listing and referencing the threads. We have it all in Mudcat.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 09:23 PM

Shields Folk. My intent was to highlight some of the specific threads which talk about the origins of specific songs. So, these links are the quickest way of finding those threads whereby people looking for the origin of a specific song can find it easily.

I had noticed that a number of people recently had started threads asking for where songs came from. A number of threads had shown several threads already existing in the forum which the person originating the request had missed, or not looked for. I got into the search for some of these threads, and they looked very interesting.

Therefore I started this thread so I, and others could find them in one location. Rather than refreshing each one of them, which would have been a major job in itself, and rotated the threads too quickly. Also refreshing each of those threads on a regular basis would have been a pain. This way, only one thread needs to be refreshed to gain access to all these threads.

Here are a couple more I was reading earlier.

Kelligrew's Soiree
 
Casey Jones
 
Wreck of the old '97
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:08 PM

Oh? Never thought that. Most of these were older threads. I thought they had been harvested or in the DT already.

So far, the alphabetized list looks really good!

All Around The Hat
 
Let Me Fish Off Cape St. Mary's
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:09 PM

Strike the Bell and the second If I Were a Blackbird needs fixing in the alphabetized list.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 10:12 PM

Puff The Magic Dragon needs fixing in the alphabetized list.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 10 Aug 01 - 11:08 PM

Kat, the alphabetical list helps to quickly see what would be a duplicate for new links. Thanks. I just recorded Raggle Taggle Gypsy (my version) with a local fiddler, Tom Robison, accompanying. Here's the origins thread for Raggle Taggle Gypsy.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 07:03 AM

Don't know why we didn't put this in here before:

Wabash Cannonball (also defines term Hobo)
 
Wabash Cannonball (discussion of terms)
 
Wabash Cannonball (definition of terms)
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Alice
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 10:11 AM

George, it's Wabash, (not Wabush).

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Shields Folk
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 10:31 AM

Unless every thread relating to song origins is put on this list it will be incomplete. Searching the Digitrad and Forum Searches will bring up information which is missing from this list. The fact that people fail to search the Digitrad before posting suggests that they will post before consulting this thread.Perhaps what we do need is some sort of browse feature on the Digitrad and Forum Search.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 11:36 AM

I'm sorry about that, Alice! I was only half awake. I really do know better.

Shield Folk, I don't know if we'd wind up with every song, but certainly many of the more popular ones.

It's been fixed to read "Wabash" now
joeclone

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 12:59 PM

Superb, simply superb, I will have many happy hours browsing

Thanks to all

Gareth

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 11 Aug 01 - 01:07 PM

You're absolutely welcome from all of Mudcat's denizons, Gareth. See you around on the 'Cat.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Aug 01 - 08:21 PM

Ode to Billy Joe/Tallahassie(sic) Bridge

Ode to Billy Joe /Jumped off a bridge?

Big Rock Candy Mountain, Burl Ives' Version (good stuff on the origin)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Aug 01 - 10:24 PM

Thanks, Kat. Those threads on the Ode to Billy Joe were great.

Scottish Emigrant's Farewell
 
Bluenose
Bluenose
Bluenose
 
Another one on Kumbya
 
Sea Chanteys That wonderful one that Cranky Yankee started
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 05:30 PM

Wimoweh/Lion Sleeps Tonight(original)
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 18 Aug 01 - 08:48 PM

Canadian Boat Song
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 28 Aug 01 - 10:38 PM

Found a nice thread that Joe started last year.

Gospel Origin-Civil Rights & Labor Songs

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:03 PM

Ghost Riders in the Sky
 
Ghost Riders In the Sky #1
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:36 PM

Another good thread on the origins of Lavender Blue/Dilly Dilly is Lavender Blue/Dilly Dilly Older Thread

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Gloredhel
Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:39 PM

You'd better add Raglan Road. (don't know how to do blue clicky)

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 07:37 AM

Canticle From Scarborough Fair
Wimbeldon Fair
Scarborough Fair
Scarborough Fair - Uncorrupting The Corruptible
 
Magpie
 
Raglan Road
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 11:11 AM

Bread & Roses - A Women's Labour Song
 
False Bride/I Loved a Lad(Lass)
 
Gentleman Soldier/Sentry Box/Soldier's Cloak
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 11:57 AM

I'll see George Seto's 2 Dark Island links, and raise him two more:

NEW: The Dark Isle (This is chronologically 1st)
Tune Req: Tune Req: The Dark Isle. Anyone kno (this is chronologically 2nd. George's would be 3rd and 4th)

Also:
The Snows They Melt the Soonest

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:11 PM

Babes In The Wood

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:20 PM

The World is Old

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:41 PM

How about Old Paint

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:46 PM

And this old favorite Drinking Gourd

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 01:45 PM

Thanks for those, Jeri, Lonesome and Mary. Very interesting threads. Really a great education coming here to the Mudcat!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 03:51 PM

Here's a cute one:

Three Little Fishes

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:05 PM

Sleeping At the End of the Bed
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 04 Sep 01 - 05:50 AM

WYSIWYG, sure, the more the merrier.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 09:45 PM

Log Driver's Waltz
 
Going To the West
 
Happy Birthday Song
 
Happy Birthday Song
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 10:58 PM

George, will you be asking him or should I?

And hi everyone-- thanks for inspiring me to start indexing the spirituals. I am watching how you go about this-- are you each finding what you posted yourselves, or what are you doing to find these?

I started by doing a search among my own ADD's, and then I started looking at Stewie's. Any other ideas? (Yes I did a search on the word [spirituals].) Or others you think may have posted a lot of spirituals?

And if you run into blues items that have origins as spirituals (specific ones), wouldja give me a holler in a PM, like a link to the message here where it's posted?

Thanks, and GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 02:16 AM

NEW San Antonio Rose
 
I Dreamed There Were Unicorns - Bill Caddick
 

What I have been doing is looking through old messages. I'm up in the 300s right now. As I find something that gives me an origin on a song, I make note of it, and put it here.

Good thread, your Spirituals one. I'll add to it as I see something which fits there.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 08:25 AM

George, which old messages-- what criteria, and which of the Mudcat search functions?

Thanks,

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 10:11 AM

Well, I go through the message base, one by one. Using this url,

http://ragtime.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=

and put in a number after the equal sign.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:01 AM

Oy!

Here's my plan: I decided I am going to build the spirituals index in Excel, searching by keywords, pasting in URL's by Copy Shortcut. Then I can paste the song title into that field and then I can search-replace around the URL to add the blicky coding, and line breaks, and let Excel aphabetize them. I should end up with a converted text file of working, alphabetized links.

Then I think I will do forum searches and supersearches using the titles of known spirituals from the OTHER index of spirituals I am building from various online databases-- spirituals that have appeared in known printed works or online collections.

I wonder if a method your group could use would be taking DT song titles and doing forum Filter and Supersearches on those? You would have two windows open, or three-- one with the search box and one with DT titles, then you'd copy from the DT title list and paste in the search box? That's how I will do my searches-by-title I think.

Any other tips you can share with me?

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:18 AM

Sounds great, Susan.

I think you mis-apprehend. There is no "group" as such for this thread. I started it, and anyone is welcome to add to it as they encounter something.

I started a project of my own to see what was in some of the "ancient" threads, and so started with message #0. This started after I did the initial collection for this thread. This thread came about because I noticed a lot of messages looking for the background or origins to songs, many of which were already discussed, so I thought I'd put them into one central thread. Much like you're doing on the Spirituals. AFter I got the major group done, others added to it, and Katlaughing thought it would be nice to have an alphabetized list, and I thought it was a wonderful idea. So, any new additions have imposed on her good graces to add them to the alphabetized list.

There is no "central authority" in this thread. I'm just rambling through the old messages and as I find a discussion which fits in here, I add it in.

Some of those pertain to old lyric requests and I try to answer them if I can, either with links to later discussions, or posting lyrics if I can find them.

Sometime I will have to add to the Unanswered Requests threads those I have seen which still aren't answered and I can't find.

Anyway, let's keep having fun.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:21 AM

Personally, I am nowhere near as organized as you.

As I said, I started with message #0 and I'm into the 300s right now. LAbour Day was great. I was here pretty near 18 hours and went from about 220 to about 305 in the one day. Usually, I get 4 or 5 done in a day.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Sep 01 - 11:46 AM

George, I think I just learned to rely on what I can with file and text conversions, before I had a computer that could search as fast as this one. Both ways are good.

Of course you know what will happen-- as soon as we make a little more progress someone will come along with the REALLY easy way! *G*

~Susan

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 01:26 PM

I propose we form the Finders-Keepers of Mudcat. There is a LOT of indexing needed around here, and there must be people willing to head up other work groups. Just think, if one is a FINDER we all get to KEEP what we have here.

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Sourdough
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 09:11 PM

George -

This is such a weolcome reminder of what Mudcat is really about, a place where people with knowledge share it with people with interest.

I think I got some idea of what is involved when you described what you were able to get done in 18 hours of work.

Thank you so very much for what is more than a convenience, it will turn out to be a real reference book.

Sourdough

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 11:46 AM

You're very welcome, Sourdough. As long as there are people who enjoy what the Mudcat is all about then we'll have many others who will contribute interesting items to the threads.

HEre's anothere one:Sweet Betsey From Pike
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:55 PM

Makes Sense Kat!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:44 PM

Dueling Banjos
 
Good Old Rebel
 
Red Haired Man's Wife
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: UB Ed
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 03:13 PM

Do it Kat! Bless you for the time and wherewithall.

Ed

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 05:29 PM

That "Guest" was actually me. Sorry. I think it's a great idea.

Boil Dem Cabbage Down
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 06:13 PM

LOL, thanks, George. I will get it done by the end of this week, then. Thanks, Ed.

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 09:56 PM

All The Tunes in the World

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 10:19 PM

Johnny Be Fair

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 01:24 AM

Kat, if Joe is going to designate that you can have a Permathread, all you need to do is start a Part Two of this one as a feeder thread, and later a Part Three if needed, etc., and make a Permathread that always has the latest updated and re-alphabetized list. Just be sure each feeder thread has a big bold headline-sized link to the Permathread of alphabetized material. And each feeder thread should say in its opening post that it IS a feeder thread.

Another option if Joe does not want another Permathread on the block, is just always start another Part each time you update and re-alphabetize-- make it the opening post of the new Part, and leave all the comments and contributions intact in the previous parts. Then your ending post as you bring each part to a close would be something like, "Please see Part X (CLICK!) for an alphabetized list of all submissions to date, or to add links to newly-found "Origins" threads."

~S~

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 01:35 AM

I just found this thread. Amazing

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 09:10 AM

My Green Valleys

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 28 Oct 01 - 09:15 PM

Croppy Boy
 

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 08 Dec 01 - 01:27 PM

Christmas Bells - I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 07:59 PM

Loch Tay Boat SongKatlaughing, in the alphabetized set, there are a number of references to Loch Lomond threads. The first one listed, is the same thread as the 4th one, #9274

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: MMario
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 08:07 PM

george - I am amazed at the sheer ambition of your project! well done! keep up the good work.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 09:19 PM

Lads of Virginia - History?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:05 PM

Thanks for the kind words. MMario.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:41 PM

So what you can do is enter two columns of stuff Thread Name and URL
This shouldn't take too much effort, since you just copy the thread name and paste it in between the HTML tags.
You set up the second column so it has a whole bunch of <a href=></a>
You can copy the shortcut for a specific link and paste it into the correct place in the HTML in the second column.
Copy the text of the link, and paste it into the first column, and into the HTML for the link.

Now you can highlight both columns, and sort them by alphabetical order of the first column - "Thread Name."
When you get ready to paste them into a thread, just select the second column to paste, and you're all done.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:55 PM

Oops. I meant columns in an Excel spreadsheet, which is what WYSIWYG was talking about up there for creating an alphabetical listing to just copy and paste into the thread. Guess it doesn't apply to the consolidation thing anyway...ah, well. Nivver mind.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:10 AM

Gee, I hadn't noticed that this thing had grown so big. George and Kat, if you want to turn it into a PermaThread, let me know. We'll start a new thread and designate it as an edited PermaThread, and draw the information from this one and maybe close this one off.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:21 AM

The straight compression will be a great help. Searches for origins repeat and repeat. No need for comments in the listing (unless something obviously confusing shows up).
Wonderful, Kat!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:31 AM

Who Was Kishmul
Title should be: Kishmul's Galley

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:48 AM

Kat, could all your a-z compilation go to one thread, and our submissions, necessarily random in order, go to this one and parts 2, 3, 4 subdividing at 100 message intervals as needed?
I think this may what you were proposing in an earlier thread, but not sure. Comments and submissions would still be preserved, but would not clutter the compilation.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 01:24 AM

Dicho, YES!! That's it! I think that would work wonderfully well, as so many have expressed a desire to preserve their comments and their contributions. It would make it a lot easier for me, too.

Heya, Joe, I'll send you a PM, too, but if that's okay with you and George, let's do that: make a permathread of the a-z and leave this one intact. People can add to this one and I'll do the transfer. How's that sound?

How elegant and simple! Don't know why my brain was making it so complicated.

Thanks, Dicho!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 03:05 AM

One more thing - The title of this thread is "Origins of: found on Mudcat." It's an intriguing title, abut a little hard to understand. Might I suggest that you kick around the idea of a different title for the PermaThread? I'd suggest Song Origins PermaThread™ - not catchy, but it tells the story.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 08:28 AM

It looks good, Kat.

One question. Both here and in the new thread, there are two songs on the one line. My Green Valleys and My Wild Irish Rose. Was this deliberate?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 08:46 AM

Two more:

Hush Hush, Time to be Sleeping
Mist Covered Mountains/Chì Mi Na Mórbheana

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:16 AM

Holly and the Ivy - Older discussion
Holly and the Ivy - Some recent insights
Freeze the Balls off a Brass Monkey - Not a song, but the expression

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 09:47 AM

Fear a Bhàta - The Boatman
Mairi's Wedding
Tune For Mairi's Wedding

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:12 AM

George, you are amazing! Now that I don't have to work at getting this one consolidated, I will easily have time to get these news ones listed in a timely manner.

Thanks, no it wasn't on purpose that they wound up on the same line. I will go edit them now. Thanks a bunch. This is all due to you and your kind work and brilliant idea!

kat

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:47 AM

Nope, not brilliant. Just noticed at the time how a lot of people were after the story behind the song, as well as the lyrics and or chords. Since we (Mudcat) were doing a lot of consolidating I thought this idea up. Now, it was probably several months before I posted the first thread message. That's why the first one had so many in it.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:49 AM

And it is really thanks to you for keeping it organized so others can use it easier. I usually do a "Find" in the browser so I never worried about it being in alphabetized form, but I can see why it would make newer people to the thread happier.

Thanks again for all the hard work.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:22 AM

I can't find it, but I was sure we had a thread on this song. All I could find was Alice's one message here. I remember reading a thread where we discussed Cole Porter taking over this song and giving the author's name.

Don't Fence Me In

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:46 AM

Thanks, George. I didn't find it, either, but I did find a gem in this thread, Joe offer's last post has some history of the song: Miss Otis AND, Chords for

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:15 PM

Try this one for Don't Fence Me In. I think there are three major threads for the song - I put crosslinks in the first message of each. I get a kick out of the ways Cole Porter came up with some of his songs..
and I get a kick out of you...

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:47 PM

Strawberry Roan - Sheepherders version?
Title should be: Strawberry Roan - Outlaw Broncho

English version of German O Du Fröliche
Three titles, O Du Fröliche, O Sanctissima, O Thou Joyful Day, and tune, Sicilian Mariners

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 12:49 PM

Time to break this thread, George and Kat?

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 02:08 PM

The thread has been continued at Origins of: Found at Mudcat - PART TWO.

Please post there. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 10:49 PM

Now where was that thread, Joe, when I went looking for it. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Origins of: Found on Mudcat
From:
Date: 14 Dec 01 - 11:10 PM

Guess sometimes it is better to use the OLD Forum Search. Thanks, Joe.